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MahopacJack

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Message Posted: Jul 9, 2013 5:03:25 PM

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According to this video, the limits of our stupidity are boundless!

I initially found this unbelievable but then considered how far we have been "transformed,"

Thank God we are still (for time being anyway) a Republic and not a Democracy.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 6, 2013 10:43:07 PM

"I searched "TEA Party violence town halls" and found this. Exactly what are you referring to?"

This is what I said;

"Yeah, those past Town Hall meetings were really peaceful and free of emotion..." Here is an example of the kinds of actions I am referring to.
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kiatoindos
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Message Posted: Aug 6, 2013 7:22:06 PM

Elect hillary!
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Aug 6, 2013 4:24:04 PM

"I searched "TEA Party violence town halls" and found this. Exactly what are you referring to?"

The event referenced by "this" happened not all that far away from where I live in Maryland. Interestingly enough, my county's larger-city newspaper did not even cover it, as far as I can tell by searching its online presence. It is scary whenever freedom of speech is attacked. You would think that all the major papers in Maryland would have covered this. Very glad you posted this, MahopacJack. I thought I followed the news fairly thoroughly, but apparently not thoroughly enough.

[Edited by: mweyant at 8/6/2013 4:25:45 PM EST]
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Aug 6, 2013 1:49:16 PM

Weasle, >>Seriously? If you missed current events as they happened, you need to go get educated on your own - don't expect everything to be spoon-fed to ya. I recommend Google. <<
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I searched "TEA Party violence town halls" and found this. Exactly what are you referring to?
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 6, 2013 1:09:52 PM

"Nope and unlike you I don't claim to know without facts. I was simply questioning your answer without facts to back it up."

I have no statistics with which to lie about on this topic, only my personal experiences.

"Talk about blanket statements. Wow! Seen many in the middle east lately? Or other parts of the world? Heck that probably isn't true even in this country."

Jeez - how many times are you going to move the goalposts? Now this isn't even about America? Good Grief!

"So you need context for your own statements also? Double wow. You were countering a post by someone else making the point that the unemployment rate wasn't as good as it seemed. This was your answer..."7.4% - lowest since 2008""

Triple-wow! No, it wasn't a "counter", it was a correction. In-fact, I had agreed with most of what had been posted which indeed referenced a slow economy. Care to re-read the original exchange? See below, reference the following time stamp;

Aug 4, 2013 1:19:46 PM

[Edited by: Weaslespit at 8/6/2013 1:10:26 PM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 6, 2013 1:05:49 PM

"Link?"

Seriously? If you missed current events as they happened, you need to go get educated on your own - don't expect everything to be spoon-fed to ya.

I recommend Google.
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Aug 6, 2013 12:58:46 PM

Weasle, >>Nope - not what I was referring to. Again - see the Town Hall meetings where Tea Partiers descended with such 'emotional fervor'...<<
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Link?
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airfresh
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Message Posted: Aug 6, 2013 12:54:30 PM

<<<All you have are a few specific examples - do you really think those are representative of the hundreds of thousands of demonstrations? C'mon...>>>

Nope and unlike you I don't claim to know without facts. I was simply questioning your answer without facts to back it up.

<<<nearly all demonstrations are non-violent.>>>

Talk about blanket statements. Wow! Seen many in the middle east lately? Or other parts of the world? Heck that probably isn't true even in this country.

<<<Did I say that the economy today is equal to that of 2008?>>>

So you need context for your own statements also? Double wow. You were countering a post by someone else making the point that the unemployment rate wasn't as good as it seemed. This was your answer..."7.4% - lowest since 2008"


[Edited by: airfresh at 8/6/2013 12:56:58 PM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 6, 2013 12:42:34 PM

"Two incidents of violence at TEA Party protests."

Nope - not what I was referring to. Again - see the Town Hall meetings where Tea Partiers descended with such 'emotional fervor'...
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 6, 2013 12:39:40 PM

"That's funny. So you have no facts to back it up. That's fine."

I haven't seen any study that was done which says 'x% of demonstrations are peaceful/violent'. All you have are a few specific examples - do you really think those are representative of the hundreds of thousands of demonstrations? C'mon...

"It's certainly relevant to your statement "99% of ALL demonstrations are peaceful - regardless of the political ideology behind them."... They demonstrate and they have a political ideology"

Fine, make it a blanket statement. the fact remains nearly all demonstrations are non-violent.

"The economy isn't nearly as good as you are trying to suggest with your misleading statistic framed such as it is. (lowest since 2008) I'm just providing the context for you."

Did I say that the economy today is equal to that of 2008? I don't remember saying that. Nice strawman though.

"As far as retirements causing people to leave the work force you also obfuscate. How many people "enter" the work force every year? Depending on whose #'s you wish to believe between 80,000 to 120,000 a month. People are retirig and people are entering."

So you never heard of Baby Boomers. Got it.

"To wrap up your point...the largest % of those who have dropped out would rather be working."

Have they all been polled?
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airfresh
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Message Posted: Aug 6, 2013 12:31:53 PM

<<<Just common sense kiddo.>>>

That's funny. So you have no facts to back it up. That's fine.

<<< didn't realize that they were relevant to this discussion. >>>

It's certainly relevant to your statement "99% of ALL demonstrations are peaceful - regardless of the political ideology behind them."... They demonstrate and they have a political ideology.

<<< If there had been no recession, you are assuming 'nobody' would have left the labor pool (i.e. retired) the past 4 years?>>>

No. Nothing of the sort. My point was that your statistic of 7.4% unemployment being its lowest since 2008 is meaningless without context. There are millions of people who left the work force since 2009 simply because they cannot find work and have given up. Add those unfortunate people into the numbers and the 7.4% is much higher. Also account for those who are underemployed and part time and it gets worse. It's called understanding the numbers.

The economy isn't nearly as good as you are trying to suggest with your misleading statistic framed such as it is. (lowest since 2008) I'm just providing the context for you.

As far as retirements causing people to leave the work force you also obfuscate. How many people "enter" the work force every year? Depending on whose #'s you wish to believe between 80,000 to 120,000 a month. People are retirig and people are entering.

To wrap up your point...the largest % of those who have dropped out would rather be working. In a growing economy... they would have no need to leave the work force



[Edited by: airfresh at 8/6/2013 12:34:02 PM EST]
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Aug 6, 2013 12:13:16 PM

How stupid can we be?

We have an anti-Hillary Clinton PAC that has a Slap Hillary game on their site. That's pretty stupid.
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Aug 6, 2013 11:13:55 AM

Weasel, >>You specify "TWO", so either you do know them or you lost yourself at the start.<<
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Sure do know of them and apparently you either forgot about them or, most likely, were never reported over the Leftist Media.

The first was in Saint Louis where a TEA Party protester (who happened to be black) was attacked by an SEIU Member for giving out "Don't Tread On Me" Flags.

The second occurred in Tampa where a DNC member slapped a TEA Party member.

Two incidents of violence at TEA Party protests.

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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 6, 2013 8:59:47 AM

"You have some studies to back that up or are you just lying with statistics again?"

Just common sense kiddo...

"Uh... that would include anarchist demonstrations?"

I didn't realize that they were relevant to this discussion. Any other tangents you would like to go off on?

"What does left "SINCE" 2009 mean to YOU?"

You completely misunderstood what was said. I'll clarify for you since you seem hell-bent on sounding foolish. If there had been no recession, you are assuming 'nobody' would have left the labor pool (i.e. retired) the past 4 years?

Like I said, might want to check that mirror with regards to whom is lying with statistics...

"Why am I not surprised."

Keep trolling my friend...
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airfresh
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Message Posted: Aug 6, 2013 8:37:15 AM

<<<99% of ALL demonstrations are peaceful - regardless of the political ideology behind them. >>>

You have some studies to back that up or are you just lying with statistics again?

Uh... that would include anarchist demonstrations? They have a political ideology no?

<<<99% demonstrations lasted for weeks. Not hours.>>>

And the tea party town halls and other demonstrations organized by them have been ongoing... repeatedly for a couple years now.

You really could benefit from that book. It really helps to learn how to look at what statistics really mean rather then swallow them whole.

I see you ignored my question Message Posted: Aug 5, 2013 12:11:48 PM.

Why am I not surprised.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 5, 2013 8:46:35 PM

"While I do not know which TWO Town Hall Meetings you're referring to, I can unequivocally say ALL TEA Party protests were more peaceful than the "99% Demonstrations.""

You specify "TWO", so either you do know them or you lost yourself at the start.

99% demonstrations lasted for weeks. Not hours. 99% of ALL demonstrations are peaceful - regardless of the political ideology behind them.
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wbacon
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Message Posted: Aug 5, 2013 5:11:55 PM

we relected Obama didn't we?
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Aug 5, 2013 4:19:42 PM

liberals, never mention, that a big portion, of the new jobs that they are so proud of are part time jobs, with few if any benefits, or the fact that we can thank obamacare as one of the main reasons for that.
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Aug 5, 2013 4:01:13 PM

Weaselspit, >>"Trying to change the country's direction PEACEFULLY rather than by force and violence as espoused by the left is also a mistake?"

Yeah, those past Town Hall meetings were really peaceful and free of emotion...<<
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While I do not know which TWO Town Hall Meetings you're referring to, I can unequivocally say ALL TEA Party protests were more peaceful than the "99% Demonstrations."
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airfresh
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Message Posted: Aug 5, 2013 12:11:48 PM

<<<To which you are now assuming that 'nobody' would have left the labor force in the past 4 years?>>>

What does left "SINCE" 2009 mean to YOU?

The OP seems perfect.


[Edited by: airfresh at 8/5/2013 12:15:06 PM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 5, 2013 12:02:07 PM

"Unless you add back the over 5 million who have left the work force since 2009."

To which you are now assuming that 'nobody' would have left the labor force in the past 4 years?

"How to lie with statistics"

Apparently you must own a copy!
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Tru2psu2
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Message Posted: Aug 5, 2013 10:43:38 AM

pretty much
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airfresh
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Message Posted: Aug 5, 2013 10:34:40 AM

<<<7.4% - lowest since 2008. >>>

Unless you add back the over 5 million who have left the work force since 2009.

Included in that 7.4% are the underemployed. People who would rather be employed full time but are not.

We currently have the lowest labor force participation rate since 1979. Add all those people back into the statistics and account for all those who are underemployed... and the picture is very bleak indeed.
How to lie with statistics
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 5, 2013 9:20:42 AM

"Trying to change the country's direction PEACEFULLY rather than by force and violence as espoused by the left is also a mistake?"

Yeah, those past Town Hall meetings were really peaceful and free of emotion...

SMH
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kiatoindos
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Message Posted: Aug 4, 2013 10:05:22 PM

Someone got a second term that's about is stupid as it gets!
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Aug 4, 2013 9:51:29 PM

Weaslespit, >>Same old Tea Party talking point, same old Tea PAarty mistakes...<<
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You mean having a different point of view (usually supported by facts rather than emotions) than yours is a mistake? Trying to change the country's direction PEACEFULLY rather than by force and violence as espoused by the left is also a mistake?
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worryfree
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Message Posted: Aug 4, 2013 9:32:59 PM

Well at least you didn't bash my congressman for being Muslim...
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Aug 4, 2013 9:26:33 PM

Classic example of progressive promoting more theft ideology.
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>>>“The bottom line is we’re not broke, there’s plenty of money, it’s just the government doesn’t have it,” said Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.), “The government has a right, the government and the people of the United States have a right to run the programs of the United States. Health, welfare, housing – all these things.”

According to Representative Ellison, the government is not in danger of going broke; because great innovative figures such as himself can re-appropriate a 100 year old idea in an effort to take more of your money. Try to wrap your brain around this: We have an elected representative explaining that government has the “right” to any personal wealth in this nation for the sake of running programs not enumerated in any foundational document of the United States. I guess that goes to prove that most congressman know the constitution about as well as Nancy Pelosi knew the Affordable Care Act.

This tortured attempt at economic theory optimizes the liberal progressive view of personal property. All wealth, according to Progressive Democrats like Ellison, is first and foremost property of the government. Personal wealth, and personal property, are what individuals are allowed to keep after government lays claim to what it feels is needed. Ellison’s idea that government can evaluate its fiscal abilities off of the amount of wealth he could potentially tax, demonstrates an eroding respect for personal property rights in this nation.

That progressive liberal view also explains many of the nation’s unfunded liabilities. Why should any elected representative worry about the looming bankruptcy of social security, or Medicare? After all, “we’re not broke.” We can just take more of someone else’s money and call everything OK. This childish attempt at fiscal policy is like running your household budget off of your employer’s profits.

In western democracy, but especially in the United States, personal property is the underlying concept for all citizen rights. The right to own, control and grow one’s own wealth and resources, reduces government to a subservient role. Government, under our system in this constitutional republic, has no rights of any sort. Government is given permission, by we the people, for certain enumerated activities. And while the 17th amendment set in motion the deterioration of private property, Ellison’s comments underscore the degree to which progressives reject the notion of individually owned wealth.<<<

Shows the underlying thoughts of those who believe the gubbiment really has a right to anything you own.
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Tru2psu2
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Message Posted: Aug 4, 2013 6:45:07 PM

Same old Tea Party talking point, same old Tea PAarty mistakes...
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Some folks are totally blind!
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 4, 2013 6:17:28 PM

"Unfortunately, your 7.4% does not include the discouraged workers that have left the work force. The Unemployment rate is one of the stats used (and abused) by both parties. Were the real rate made public, perhaps there would be greater attention to the problems facing our economy."

Same old Tea Party talking point, same old Tea PAarty mistakes...
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Aug 4, 2013 2:47:53 PM

weaselspit, >>"The "offical" jobless rate was artificially held at 9.8%. The actual was well over 10% (via Gallup poll). It think we're down to something like 7.8% now."

7.4% - lowest since 2008.<<
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Unfortunately, your 7.4% does not include the discouraged workers that have left the work force. The Unemployment rate is one of the stats used (and abused) by both parties. Were the real rate made public, perhaps there would be greater attention to the problems facing our economy.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 4, 2013 1:19:46 PM

" If you believe that the President controls the economy, and by your response, you apparently do, then why didn't he do that first, rather than instituting socialist policies?"

I wish I had an answer to that question.

"And as to his performance on jobs, the recovery has been weak, at best."

You know what they say - slow and steady wins the race :)

"The "offical" jobless rate was artificially held at 9.8%. The actual was well over 10% (via Gallup poll). It think we're down to something like 7.8% now."

7.4% - lowest since 2008.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Aug 4, 2013 10:41:34 AM

weasle said: "He could have done better, but when he finally addressed the economic conditions left to him we started to move in the right direction."

--Well, at least that's a partial admission that Obama wasn't doing what he should have. Yes, he could have done a lot better. If you believe that the President controls the economy, and by your response, you apparently do, then why didn't he do that first, rather than instituting socialist policies? Didn't he want people to start working again?

And as to his performance on jobs, the recovery has been weak, at best. The "offical" jobless rate was artificially held at 9.8%. The actual was well over 10% (via Gallup poll). It think we're down to something like 7.8% now. However, part of that is due to people falling off the UC rolls - they expended their total benefits, which shrunk back to 52 weeks, from 99. And I get that, too. IF you get people off unemployment faster, they fall out of the jobless numbers faster, shrinking them. Great, but does that REALLY mean our economy was any better? And the last job creation numbers I heard for, I think it was 2nd quarter, was that 162,000 jobs were created. Pathetic. Where's Obama's "laser like focus on jobs" (his words, not mine)?
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 10:35:38 AM

"But hey, at least any idiot can text message with their free phone now right?"

How many times is this silly incorrect talking point going to rear its head? More sloppy thinking? <s>
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2013 10:34:43 AM

"Dismissing what someone says just because you don’t like them is one of the worst forms of sloppy thinking."

When somebody is wrong 90% of the time, why would somebody waste their time following his comments searching for that 10%?

That is truly sloppy thinking!
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Message Posted: Aug 1, 2013 11:12:33 PM

Topic: "How Stupid Can We Be?"

*****

Well, stupid enough to elect Obummer twice...what more is there to be said other than the final dumbing down in America was complete in Nov of 2012.

But hey, at least any idiot can text message with their free phone now right?

[Edited by: KansasGunman at 8/1/2013 11:17:48 PM EST]
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johnnyg1200
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>>>I saw your quote referenced Trump and immediately disregarded anything else posted below... I recommend you do the same in the future.<<<

Even the world biggest moron can get it right ones.
I don’t like Trump and wouldn’t vote for him as a dog catcher. But what he had to say about the healthcare overhaul make sense.


Dismissing what someone says just because you don’t like them is one of the worst forms of sloppy thinking.

[Edited by: johnnyg1200 at 8/1/2013 8:08:48 PM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 1, 2013 6:57:59 PM

I saw your quote referenced Trump and immediately disregarded anything else posted below... I recommend you do the same in the future.
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Aug 1, 2013 1:27:01 PM

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I found this in this mornings e-mail. I realize that it must be old but I had never seen it before and thought some of you might not have read it also. While funny, as the truth is often, it shows 'How Stupid' we can be.

Subject: FW: 2700 Pages of Health Care summed up in 1 Page

Medical Insurance,
Trump Explains Dumbo Care

No one can sum it up better than Trump

Let me get this straight . . ..

We're going to be "gifted" with a health care

plan we are forced to purchase and

fined if we don't,


Which purportedly covers at least

ten million more people,

without adding a single new doctor,

but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents,

written by a committee whose chairman

says he doesn't understand it,

passed by a Congress that didn't read it but

exempted themselves from it,

and signed by a Dumbo President who smokes,

with funding administered by a treasury chief who

didn't pay his taxes,


for which we'll be taxed for four years before any

benefits take effect,

by a government which has

already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare,

all to be overseen by a surgeon general

who is obese,

and financed by a country that's broke!!!!!

'What the hell could possibly go wrong?'
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Jul 13, 2013 10:11:05 AM

"He fouled it up his first four years."

He could have done better, but when he finally addressed the economic conditions left to him we started to move in the right direction.

"BenGhazi, NSA and privacy issues, FBI abuses, IRS abuses, BATF abuses.. and you support this?"

What evidence is there to support your connection of these events to Obama?

"Do you also support the loss of your personal freedoms and right to privacy?"

You mean like those lost under the Patriot Act?
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Jul 13, 2013 12:05:30 AM

weaselspit said: " agree, the other 48% must be clueless."

--Not as clueless as the foolish 52% that voted for Obama the SECOND time. He fouled it up his first four years. What makes you think he can do much better the second four? Hmmm.. BenGhazi, NSA and privacy issues, FBI abuses, IRS abuses, BATF abuses.. and you support this? Do you also support the loss of your personal freedoms and right to privacy?
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2013 8:06:05 PM

Jack, I have a feeling, you might be right.
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2013 7:54:06 PM

>>As far as the three branches thing, It would be interesting, to know how both republicans, and democrats would answer that. I'm betting, that most of them won't know the answer.<<
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Why weren't other political parties mentioned? Libertarians would most likely outshine both parties and most of the other minor parties.
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2013 7:44:53 PM

I wonder, if pelosi, and reid, know the three branches of government? From some of the things we hear say, it's doubtful.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2013 6:40:51 PM

"As far as the three branches thing, It would be interesting, to know how both republicans, and democrats would answer that. I'm betting, that most of them won't know the answer."

I can already hear Rick Perry's answer;

'Executive, Judicial and, uh, uh....Ooops!"

But I do agree.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2013 6:39:00 PM

"My wife worked as a precinct worker and personally saw voting machine issues tilted towards one party. She brought these issues to the head precinct worker who did not address the issue....."

So THAT is why Obama won! I got it now, thanks.
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2013 5:09:00 PM

we could do a similar set up to make conservatives look stupid. Uh steve that has been done, many times.

As far as the three branches thing, It would be interesting, to know how both republicans, and democrats would answer that. I'm betting, that most of them won't know the answer.

[Edited by: noseatbelt at 7/11/2013 5:10:57 PM EST]
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2013 1:29:05 PM

A common theme here seems to be that a large number of voters are completely ignorant. It would be interesting to see data on how many people signed compared to how many told him to go fly a kite, and get a good percentage of how many among us are completely oblivious.

On a side note, just to be fair, Washington is indeed working at creative interpretation and selective action on some portions of the Bill of Rights...
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2013 1:14:23 PM

As if this could not have been done while ANY President is in office.

Try walking out on the street and asking people who their representative is or to name the three branches of government.

We could do a similar set-up to make conservatives look stupid.

First ask them if they think government is doing a good job.

If they say no ask them what the three branches of government are and who their representative is.

Probably wouldn't take any time at all to gather enough material to make a video of people saying they think government is doing a bad job but who can not even name the three branches or their own representative.

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Tru2psu2
Champion Author Winston-Salem

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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2013 12:58:35 PM

Tru2spu2, "Everyone (yes, all) should pay some taxes for the benefit of living in this country.... "

97% or so do.

However, somehow, I think you are limiting your remark to Federal Income Tax alone... Am I right? Still trying to play that 47% card?
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No, I mean all taxes. You get the benefit, you pay. Even those on food stamps. Pay FICA, Income-if you have any-sales, property, etc.
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