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flyboyUT

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Message Posted: Jul 7, 2013 11:53:21 AM

What is the rate of accident for pipelines as compared to train tankers or 18 wheelers hauling oil.
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Build the Keystone and any other pipelines needed to safely move large quantities of fuel. Much rather see pipelines than more cases like this tragedy.
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Jul 12, 2013 11:25:34 AM

"I sure would like some response from the other side of this issue."
That would require independent thought and critical thinking, 2 big areas they are lacking in.
The problem is they have been told to think:

Pipe lines, Bad.
Trains, good.

So until they are told what to say they will keep quiet.
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wbacon
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Message Posted: Jul 12, 2013 5:39:42 AM

Yes! When was the last time we had an oil pipeline break and burn like the oil being hauled on that train in canada?
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jul 9, 2013 12:03:35 PM

interesting topic in the blog and news section of the home page. Says the same thing as I said in the OP.

Pipelines are the safest form to transportation for fuels we have. Therefore lets build more of them and stop using means of transportation that we know are unsafe.
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Jul 8, 2013 7:06:03 AM

flyboyUT said: "I sure would like some response from the other side of this issue."

What good is a response if it doesn't contain any trace of rational thinking?
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wbacon
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Message Posted: Jul 8, 2013 5:11:00 AM

Yes that train accident in Canada should be more than enough evidence TO BUILD THE KEYSTONE XL PIPELINE
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jul 7, 2013 10:24:17 PM

Opinion - but interesting for all that.
Do read the parts on forest management please - they may be in an opinion piece but they are spot on.
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>>>Why is this important to those of us in the USA? Because we don’t have to live with energy fears and vulnerabilities. We have the ability to produce, sell, and use our own resources, which could drive prosperity and allow the economy to thrive—energy freedom. Even President Obama, in his book, the Audacity of Hope, says: “A nation that can’t control its energy sources can’t control its future.”

America is fortunate. We have economic freedom. We have the ability to thrive due to energy freedom. But like so many of our other freedoms, these, too, are slipping away. Anti-fracking fomenting is threatening access to our abundant resources and Middle Eastern countries have demonstrated a willingness to go to great lengths to maintain control of the world’s oil supplies.<<<

I sure would like some response from the other side of this issue.

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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Jul 7, 2013 4:38:56 PM

nothing, can be made completely fool proof, but don't try to tell a liberal that, they think, spend enough money, anything can be made perfect, and trouble free.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jul 7, 2013 4:08:22 PM

AC I was involved in the construction of a couple of Nat Gas pipelines (36" dia). Every single weld/joint on the entire pipeline was xrayed at least twice. Once by the construction company and once by the people who own the pipeline. Every single weld had to be perfect or it was cut off and redone by the new guy who replaced the one fired for making a bad weld. By the way - every single length of pipe had a serial number. If any length failed the company who supplied it was responsible for the costs to repair the line.

Then the pipeline had to withstand a 24 hour static pressure test of twice the rated use pressure. There were other things done to reduce teh amount of risk involved and insure the line was safe to use.

If one were to look at the accident rate or number of spills per unit of volume transported we would find that the safest method to transport most liquids or gasses is via pipeline.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Jul 7, 2013 2:41:34 PM

At least with most underwater pipelines they "radiograph" (ie X-ray) the entire length of the line in order to spot defects in the metal or in welds. the Trans-Alaska Pipeline also was radiographed for it's entire length. It's been pretty safe, actually.
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Jul 7, 2013 2:26:51 PM

The type of technology used to transport hazardous material makes little difference. All of them have the same problems. First is the human factor, people make mistakes and those can be catastrophic. Lack of training, fatigue, poor decisions, drug use and the list goes on. Then you have mechanical failure. In trucks and trains you have brakes, suspension, wheels, tracks for the trains and roads for the trucks, on the trucks you can add steering and again the list goes on. With pipe lines you can have seal or pump failure. You also have to look at corrosion. All of this is exacerbated by money. Inspections and maintenance cost money and so do repairs. We could maintain each of these systems to the point of them being none profitable and you could never reduce the accident rate to zero. The unforeseen will always happen. The best you can do is try to reduce them and plan for them when it does happen because no matter what you do or how hard you try accidents will happen.

I say this because you will never eliminate factory defective parts, medical conditions, and extreme weather. There will always be something that is over looked not because we didn’t look but because no one ever dreamed it could happen.
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