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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2013 10:27:34 AM

It's a lot shorter to go from Key West to Mobile by boat. That's the thing. It's not just a N-S trip by car. When driving to Key West many say "Going down to Key West." But really you go south and then after you hit the Keys you go west. So really, you have to go down and out to get to Key West. Perhaps that's why so many in Key West are exactly that.

Down and out.
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theTower
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2013 6:45:12 AM

"Most people don't realize that it is possible to driver further in Florida before crossing a State line than it is in Texas.
Key West to Mobile AL (just across the State line): 880 miles."

Its 895 miles on I-10 from NM to LA driving across TX.
Texas is also physically 773 miles wide, Florida is 447 miles long.
Seems like bad HWY design if you can drive 880 miles N to S in Florida.



[Edited by: theTower at 7/25/2013 6:51:24 AM EST]
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Grizdad
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Message Posted: Jul 25, 2013 6:27:13 AM

It's all about the leadership. Look at the mess that is Detroit.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2013 6:00:01 PM

Most people don't realize that it is possible to driver further in Florida before crossing a State line than it is in Texas.

Key West to Mobile AL (just across the State line): 880 miles.

And I would not be surprised if Florida leads the nation in both people driving slow and dying of old age!

[Edited by: SemiSteve at 7/24/2013 6:01:16 PM EST]
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IammeCA
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Message Posted: Jul 21, 2013 12:10:24 PM

Don't forget about your right to shoot the escort who stiffed you in Texas.
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maddog57
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Message Posted: Jul 20, 2013 6:37:41 PM

True, I've got a photo on I-10 when you first cross into Texas from Louisiana that says something like El Paso 864 miles.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2013 6:30:57 PM

Maddog - I tell ya son if you was to drive slow in Texas you would die of old age before you get across the state.
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maddog57
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2013 5:28:36 PM

>> more courteous drivers <<

Eh....Having driven in Houston, Dallas, Fort Worth as well as San Diego and Los Angeles...and all points in between I'd say that the drivers in TX and CA are pretty much on a par with each other...the difference may be Texans drive faster. When I come into Texas on I-10 from Louisiana I've noticed that once you cross into Texas everyone's speed tends to increase by at least 10MPH.
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michaelphoenix2
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2013 11:19:06 AM

">>One good thing about Texas. Less traffic, more courteous drivers.<<

Isn't that two things?"


Education isn't Texas' strong suit.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2013 11:16:53 AM

Steve it is true that California has some of the best climate and landforms to be found anywhere. It has it all interms of topography and wonderful climate.

It is also infested with liberals that are determined to make it unfit to live in from an economic viewpoint.
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NickHammer
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2013 11:06:42 AM

>>One good thing about Texas. Less traffic, more courteous drivers.<<

Isn't that two things?
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SemiSteve
Champion Author Tampa

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Message Posted: Jul 15, 2013 5:29:26 PM

Obviously the public policies reflect the desireability of the locale.

Few dream of living in Texas.

Many dream of living in California.

People have to be enticed to live in Texas.

Calilfornia is wise to discourage a mass influx.
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greentre
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Message Posted: Jul 12, 2013 6:24:24 PM

After having lived in Texas and California I can say the Californicated Dream doesn't work for me...

I like the last line of the article:

"Call it what you will, the “Texas Miracle” or the “Texas Model.” The results speak for themselves and show that liberty fosters prosperity."
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jul 12, 2013 4:51:20 PM

"Beaches covered with oil. Take a can of mineral spirits and a rag to wipe your feet."

I really hate to burst your bubble here (not really but it sounds nice). The people in California also have oil fouled beaches - caused by natural seeps in the ocean floor.

WiMike - I have lived in both the desert adn the icebox. I would never move back to Wisconsin or Minnesota. Hot and humid and full of bugs that bite in the summers and colder than heck in the winter and you have to play dodgem or bumper cars on the ice covered roads - assuming you can get your car started. Give me the nice comfortable dry heat anytime - where I can sit out on my porch all twelve months of the year and not have to look like Nanook of the north or think that Deep Woods Off is a perfume.
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michaelphoenix2
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Message Posted: Jul 12, 2013 3:36:04 PM

You couldnt pay me enough to live in a desert again. Unbearably hot all the time, no water, endless sun, no real seasons. I LIKE living in WI again. 2 years baking my brains out was enough. Texas, AZ, and every other desert dustbowl, endless wasteland of a state can stuff it.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Jul 12, 2013 3:22:26 PM

If only Texas had enough water. 87% of the State is under drought conditions. Lake Travis is at a record low level.
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Jul 10, 2013 6:58:22 AM

wbacon said: "Boy did I goof It's 50% of the PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS DURING THE LAST DECADEW HAVE BEEN CREATED IN TEXAS NOT PUBLIC SECTOR JOBS!"

Well, your little goof certainly was like tossing some bloody carcass into shark-invested waters, wasn't it?

Jayrad and RNorm most definitely caught the scent and were on that carcass faster than an eye could blink! Why'd you have to go pop their baloon?

California is by far more attractive than Texas, but on an aesthetic basis only. Stupendous scenery like Yosemite, Tahoe, PCH, Pebble Beach, etc. just make places like Amarillo look like nuclear waste dump sites in comparison. The rattlesnakes and tumbleweeds don't help Texas much either.

I could live in Tahoe, no problem...just on the Nevada side of the border!
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theTower
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Message Posted: Jul 10, 2013 5:47:37 AM

semisteve:" More pollution"

More polluted air from steve

Suggest you look at the cleanest cities list too and tell me how many California cities are in the top ten on that list?

I would just like to add its southern California that has no appeal. At least not to me. It gives Northern California quite the black eye. Should have been two states or at least part of Oregon.

[Edited by: theTower at 7/10/2013 5:57:37 AM EST]
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Jul 9, 2013 11:33:49 PM

"Sorry Texas. You'll never be as attractive as California."

I have nothing to add to that statement!
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Jul 9, 2013 10:44:50 PM

People want to live in California. They desire it. Beautiful place. Great weather. Cars are named for the famous towns. Tinsel town. Movie stars.

People have to be given monetary reasons to live in Texas. No other reason to go there. Dreadful weather. More pollution. Beaches covered with oil. Take a can of mineral spirits and a rag to wipe your feet.

Sorry, Texas. You'll never be as attractive as California.

One good thing about Texas. Less traffic, more courteous drivers.
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Jul 8, 2013 1:32:07 PM

2010 total: 204 firms leave California

Report: 254 companies left California in 2011

Are Calif. businesses closing or leaving?

Yeah, factual indeed.
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wbacon
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Message Posted: Jul 8, 2013 1:01:29 PM

correction
How does anybody argue against the fact tha 50% of the Private sector jobs for the last few years HAVE BEEN CREATED IN TEXAS??????
Boy did I goof It's 50% of the PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS DURING THE LAST DECADEW HAVE BEEN CREATED IN TEXAS NOT PUBLIC SECTOR JOBS!
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Jul 7, 2013 11:10:54 PM

Thanks Norm. Some of us Californian's have to hold back the onslaught of California bashing.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jul 7, 2013 10:55:57 PM

Great post Jay...but I'm sure its too factual for some around here...

*ROTFL*
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Jul 7, 2013 10:50:34 PM

Companies headquartered in California



[Edited by: jayrad1957 at 7/7/2013 10:52:56 PM EST]
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jul 7, 2013 5:40:22 PM

"CA is also listed as one of the most business hostile states in the union. Costs and hassles associated with getting business licenses, overly restrictive regulations, corruption etc. etc. This is not a good place to do business, in general. "


But yet, some of the biggest and profitable tech giants are headquartered right here in Good Ol' California...
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Jul 7, 2013 4:59:22 PM

where do conservatives say they want to shrink government services to nothing? There is a difference, between shrinking them to nothing, and shrinking them to a manageable size.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Jul 7, 2013 3:12:41 PM

One thing I'd also like to point out is the worker's comp situation in CA. Workers Comp insurance rates are absolutely KILLING businesses here. My own company moved out of town to another state, in part, due to the costs of doing business here. Workers comp abuse is rampant, and the state seems to be able to do nothing to reign it in. Businesses are getting soaked to pay for some lazy workers to CLAIM they are hurt, when, in fact, they are perfectly able bodied.

CA is also listed as one of the most business hostile states in the union. Costs and hassles associated with getting business licenses, overly restrictive regulations, corruption etc. etc. This is not a good place to do business, in general.
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2013 11:30:05 PM

"Its always different when its a conservative state. Conservatives are against government spending until its their state. They're against disaster relief until its their state. Basically, they're against everything, until its their state..."

BINGO!
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2013 11:15:56 PM

"I thought that was something the right was against. You know, more government spending?? Thought the goal was to get rid of as many employees as necessary to shrink government services to nothing. So, you are bragging about more government spending by Texas? "


Its always different when its a conservative state. Conservatives are against government spending until its their state. They're against disaster relief until its their state. Basically, they're against everything, until its their state...

SMH
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2013 7:41:22 PM

"How does anybody argue against the fact tha 50% of the public sector jobs for the last few years HAVE BEEN CREATED IN TEXAS??????"

I thought that was something the right was against. You know, more government spending?? Thought the goal was to get rid of as many employees as necessary to shrink government services to nothing. So, you are bragging about more government spending by Texas?
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wbacon
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2013 6:39:07 PM

How does anybody argue against the fact tha 50% of the public sector jobs for the last few years HAVE BEEN CREATED IN TEXAS??????
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Cliffisher
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2013 11:21:09 AM

Looks like the kooky Governor of Texas may be gearing up for another run for President.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2013 10:52:42 AM

All this thread is a failed attempt to slam California. You can tell that from the 1st sentence of the OP:

"California and Texas, alike in many ways, have diametrically opposed public policies."


Having lived in both, I can say that California and texas are HARDLY alike. And again, its a free country and people live where they choose, so there is no need to try to bash a state that you don't live in. You know, kinda like bashing the stimulus and bailouts, but then begging Obama for stimulus funds to bailout Texas and balance your state budget...

SMH
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MarkJames
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Message Posted: Jul 5, 2013 9:32:05 AM

Much depends on where you live within a state. Locally quality of life, school systems, property taxes, cost of living etc are like night and day 5 or 10 minutes apart.

Unfortunately wages don't scale with cost of living in much of the nation, so many can't afford to live in many states, nor the cost of commuting from regions with a lower cost of living.

One of the most common complaints we here from former California residents is about the cost of living.

Several of our relatives that moved to Texas hated it, so they moved back in less than a year.
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2013 3:14:33 PM

I have several neighbors, friends, and relatives, that live, or have lived in ca. The ones still there like it, but can't wait to get out, and those that have already left, say it was a great place to live, but they couldn't handle the cost of living there. The cost of housing seemed to be the biggest complaint. My next door neighbor, says the house he built here, would have cost three times as much in ca. or more, and taxes were much higher then here.
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2013 11:41:02 AM

I have spent time in Texas. You couldn't pay me enough to live there. Believe it or not, there are reasons to live somewhere other than money.

[Edited by: jayrad1957 at 7/4/2013 11:42:32 AM EST]
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jul 4, 2013 11:02:10 AM

Having lived in both states, I'll take California over texas ANY day.

And am glad my daughter, son-in-law and grandson moved out of texas.

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