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btc1

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Message Posted: Jul 1, 2013 3:17:12 PM

Allison Lundergan Grimes is running.

Who is Allison Lundergan Grimes?

A formidable opponent. With big connections to the National Democratic Party and the Clintons.
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 11:15:42 PM

mudtoe: "Honesty is apparently not her long suit....."

mudtoe: "She was on the spot and didn't have time to think it through, so her liberal instincts took over and the only thing in her mind at that point was that under no circumstances could she tell the truth."

That's nothing. There liberals around here who have all the time in the world to think about what they're going to say before they post it. And they still resort to lying and deceit.
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 8:57:03 PM

therder: "Allison Grimes should have said, "I'm a Democrat and I vote straight Democrat. When Obama was on the ticket I voted for him." That might have ended it."


Honesty is apparently not her long suit..... Like all liberals her first instinct is to never tell the truth about what she believes. She was on the spot and didn't have time to think it through, so her liberal instincts took over and the only thing in her mind at that point was that under no circumstances could she tell the truth.


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btc1
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 8:22:25 PM

If Mitch really has such a comfortable lead, why is he resulting to such desperate tactics as Voter Intimidation?

And in Eastern Kentucky coal country>???!!!!

"The mailer looks like an official document, but it’s not. The presentation is designed to scare voters with “ELECTION VIOLATION NOTICE” in all caps across the envelope. The letter warns the recipient that, “You are at risk of acting on fraudulent information.” The mailer is clearly voter intimidation and suppression tactic. "

And now his in-laws ships are under investigation for drug trafficing!
Choa Family Shiip was found to be carrying a huge amount of cocaine.

"90 Pounds of Cocaine Found on Cargo Ship Owned by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell’s Father-in-Law"

Wow!

[Edited by: btc1 at 10/31/2014 8:25:48 PM EST]
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 3:51:26 PM

Speaker of the Senate?

[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 10/31/2014 3:51:47 PM EST]
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SE3.5
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 3:46:58 PM

"I shall be in good voice, singing the death knell of Mitch's Senate career."

Are you the "fat lady"? :>)

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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 3:42:11 PM

"I believe I shall be in good voice, singing the death knell of Mitch's Senate career. "

I despise this doofus, however, I'm afraid he wins -- but can he bribe enough jr Senators with Committee positions to vote for him as Speaker? I hope not.

I would love to see him and Reid banished to their lonely seats -- without the Speakership -- that would be my dream come true.

If he loses in Kentucky, which is unlikely, I will celebrate that too

RINOS all need to be rudely removed

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btc1
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 3:22:33 PM

I like the way the right can issue the projections based on just one non-answer. The polling in the last Presidential election got it all wrong, didn't they? Like I said we shall see on Tuesday. I believe I shall be in good voice, singing the death knell of Mitch's Senate career.
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therder
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 2:32:22 PM

mudtoe:>>Her refusal to admit voting for Obama<<
Allison Grimes should have said, "I'm a Democrat and I vote straight Democrat. When Obama was on the ticket I voted for him." That might have ended it.



[Edited by: therder at 10/31/2014 2:32:49 PM EST]
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 10:12:53 AM

therder: "Looks like Rand Paul will appear with McConnell on Monday. Rand wants to be seen with the expected winner. "


Realclearpolitics has moved KY from toss up to leans McConnell based on a change in the Courier Journal USA survey which last week had Grimes up by 2, but now has McConnell up by 5. Her refusal to admit voting for Obama and the video of her campaign workers talking about how she intends to f-bomb the coal industry after being elected no matter what she says now, really sank her.


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btc1
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 8:56:39 AM

You have to admit, Republicans do tend to increase the deficit and debt. I is a matter of historical fact.

Federal government spending has risen under President Obama, mostly because of the $800 billion stimulus designed to offset the massive recession he inherited from President Bush. But the increase in federal spending under Obama is dwarfed by the colossal increase under President Bush. Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/government-spending-2011-7#ixzz3Hj9h5dFF

[Edited by: btc1 at 10/31/2014 9:04:00 AM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 8:44:37 AM

"Clinton was able to pay down the debt because the GOP controlled both the House and the Senate and cut back the profligate spending he was attempting make on his social services projects."

Let me correct that, as I was also corrected by mini - the US has not paid down the debt since 1957 (I believe that was the year he linked data showing). We did have a projected budget surplus going into W's term...
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btc1
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 7:35:10 AM

The final poll is Tuesday. We shall see. Kentucky is smart enough to Ditch Mitch! Who gets out the vote is the key. The Lundergans have always been well organized at that. It has been a very tough fight.

Patterson has not been a serious enough of a contender, therder. You only get press when you earn it with controversy unfortunately.

[Edited by: btc1 at 10/31/2014 7:36:53 AM EST]
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therder
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 6:39:45 AM

Grimes' refusal to say that she voted for Obama hurt her more than it helped her. You can't dance around something so obvious.

[Edited by: therder at 10/31/2014 6:40:15 AM EST]
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therder
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 6:36:42 AM

Looks like Rand Paul will appear with McConnell on Monday. Rand wants to be seen with the expected winner. It's not over yet but the Bluegrass Poll has been the only poll that's given the Grimes campaign any hope. I think David Patterson will get my vote after all. I wish the media hadn't ignored him the entire race.
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Panama19
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 9:52:00 AM


btc1, "And the reason more money had to be spent instead of paying down the debt as the Clinton Administration was able to do."

Clinton was able to pay down the debt because the GOP controlled both the House and the Senate and cut back the profligate spending he was attempting make on his social services projects.

In a similar vein, Obama's deficits have been cut in half by the GOP House, and he may actually come to have a balanced budget passed and deficit spending ended when he has an all-GOP congress as well.

Funny how that happens, isn't it?

[Edited by: Panama19 at 10/30/2014 9:52:42 AM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 8:30:12 AM

"The fact remains that Bush raised the national debt by $5 Trillion in eight years while Obama has raised it $7 Trillion in only six years."

More selective blindness...
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therder
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 7:14:11 AM

Rand Paul has been doing tv spots all over the country for republican senate challengers. None for the incumbent McConnell though. He's keeping his distance from him and avoids embarrassing questions about why he supports McConnell. Looking ahead to 2016 I think Rand understands the country's mood is not just anti-Obama, it's anti-Washington.
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btc1
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 6:43:12 AM

Now Panama, you are still trying to attribute all of the interest to this one President. He did not spend all of the money. Like my link said it is the cumulative effect of the previous spent moneys interest that is the big problem. And the reason more money had to be spent instead of paying down the debt as the Clinton Administration was able to do.

Now back to saying goodbye to Mitch...

[Edited by: btc1 at 10/30/2014 6:45:03 AM EST]
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Panama19
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 1:50:40 AM


btc1, you seem to be assuming that there is no interest on Obama's wild spending spree.

St. Louis Adjusted Monetary Base



[Edited by: Panama19 at 10/30/2014 1:51:47 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 3:49:58 PM

Well... here is Senator Obama on the national Debt....

Called Bush Irresponsible..... and Un Patriotic..





SMH

[Edited by: reb4 at 10/29/2014 3:50:08 PM EST]
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btc1
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 3:45:52 PM

You are still discounting all of the interest from all of the Republican administrations. The increase in the national debt is due to the amount of interest applied from all of those years back as well as which ever year you want to pick spending.

Thanks naw! Great to hear from you old friend.
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 3:24:51 PM

This isn't any different than 2012 when Rummy was going to win in a landslide. Not you're placing your bets on a sloppy Drunk that doesn't care about the people of Kentucky only of himself.

This guy is no politician. He a Drunken Jerk, whose time has finally come to put him to pasture.

Btc1- Great article on deficits. Too dang bad the REDS(commies) can't see logic! Is that caption under the pic say "free will" or "free Willy?"

No Red Republican gets free anything! They will be paying for the criminal Bush mistakes and large deficits for decades to come. What a bunch of imbeciles.
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Panama19
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 2:42:59 PM


btc1, nice try.

The fact remains that Bush raised the national debt by $5 Trillion in eight years while Obama has raised it $7 Trillion in only six years.

And for two of those six years Obama's spending has been restrained by a GOP House - which cut the deficit for those two years by a trillion dollars.

If the national debt is indeed $20 Trillion at the end of his term as projected he will have doubled the total accumulated national debt all by himself.

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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 1:51:58 PM

Panama, "Latest polls - updated as polls come in" 14 percent undecided...okay...

"GWB raised the national debt $4.357 Trillion during his eight years to a total of $10 Trillion."

And as far as the National Debt, Panama, look to YOUR party.

"It’s quite easy to check these calculations (see this spreadsheet). They go like this: When Reagan took office the debt was $1 trillion. When he left it was $2.86 trillion. So $1.86 trillion for him. Then Bush-I added $1.55 trillion. Total so far: $3.4 trillion. Then Clinton took over.

Now the national debt is like a mortgage, and so the bigger it is, the more interest must be paid on it. Without the extra Reagan-Bush $3.4 trillion, there would have been a few hundred billion less in interest on the debt every year under Clinton. That interest adds another $2.3 trillion to the Reagan-Bush debt. Then Bush II increased it by $6.1 trillion to $11.8 trillion. And interest on that has been increasing the debt under Obama. The total Reagan-Bushes debt is now $13.5 trillion."

Tell the FULL truth as to where from that debt came.
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 11:20:19 AM

"I find it remarkable that the left still points at GWB deficits while ignoring Obama's far worse record.

Selective blindness?"

Indeed, given the absence of context when stating said numbers... Hard to increase the deficit less when you are in a far, far worse economic condition.

Neither party has shown fiscal responsibility in over a decade. Blaming one 'over' the other is silly.

"This administration will have more than doubled the national debt by the end of its term, and it would have been even worse had the GOP not taken the House in 2012 and cut the $Trillion+ annual deficits in half."

By cutting indiscriminately and putting the recovery of the economy at risk while increasing the cost of borrowing money through downgraded credit ratings.

Not something I would exactly celebrate...
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 11:15:09 AM


btc1, "Well, that would be true, IF you completely ignore the entire George W. Bush administration."

No, that is counting the Bush administration.

GWB raised the national debt $4.357 Trillion during his eight years to a total of $10 Trillion.

Obama has added over $7 Trillion in his first six years and is on track to make that $20 Trillion by the end of his term - doubling the debt accumulated by all administrations that came before him.

I find it remarkable that the left still points at GWB deficits while ignoring Obama's far worse record.

Selective blindness?

U.S. Federal Debt by President / Political Party

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Panama19
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 10:48:28 AM


Latest polls - updated as polls come in
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btc1
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 10:43:45 AM

Panama, "True, but not equally. " Well, that would be true, IF you completely ignore the entire George W. Bush administration.
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 10:39:04 AM


therder, "The debt will be 20 trillion in 2017 and both republicans and democrats are to blame for it."

True, but not equally.

This administration will have more than doubled the national debt by the end of its term, and it would have been even worse had the GOP not taken the House in 2012 and cut the $Trillion+ annual deficits in half.



[Edited by: Panama19 at 10/29/2014 10:39:52 AM EST]
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btc1
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 8:34:14 AM

And Alison is drawing 3000 or so at a stop. AND not having to PAY them! AND they are voters in KENTUCKY! Not Ohio or Pennsylvania!
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 8:12:25 AM

Wow Mudtoe, that is a big deal I guess in Illinois's GOvernors race...

Democrats are funding another candidate to help take votes away from Republican. CHicago Machine funded a candidate in our little village and the guy won (after several failed attempts)...

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therder
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 6:37:45 AM

I can't figure out this race. I still think McConnell will eke out a win but he just loaned his campaign almost 2 million dollars. That's not a good sign. Apparently he's not drawing good crowds on the campaign trail either.

mudtoe, as for not voting libertarian this election. I'll think about it.
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 11:15:23 AM

therder: "That's why I usually vote libertarian. "


I've voted for the libertarian candidate in my congressional district before, because the democrat has no chance to win in my district, and therefore I can send a message to the republican candidate with my libertarian vote without the danger of my vote being used to help the democrat win. Also, in the primary there is an opportunity to vote for someone who you know won't likely win, but you can send a message that way. However, in other races where the democrat has a chance to win, I'm not going to help them by depriving the republican candidate of a vote. It's unfortunate, but that's how the math works out.

2009 and 2010 shows just how bad things can be if democrats control everything. Each time that happens we take a giant step toward socialism. In 2009 and 2010 we were inflicted with Bozocare. The last time that happened (democrats controlling the White House and both houses of Congress) in 1965-66 we were inflicted with Medicare and Medicaid. The consequences of allowing democrats to control things are just so bad that we can't take the chance, no matter how mediocre the republican candidate is.


mudtoe

[Edited by: mudtoe at 10/27/2014 11:19:41 AM EST]
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btc1
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 10:02:21 AM

""Tea party" as if it's a dirty name..." Oh please, how long has the Republican Party and conservatives doing the same thing with the word "liberal"? Grow up.
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 9:36:15 AM

"I agree with you there... but notice whenever a person want fiscal responsibility they throw out the "Tea party" as if it's a dirty name..."

It depends on the context. Fiscal responsibility is a good thing, but the Tea Party version would cut the legs out form underneath our fragile economy, IMO. It has taken long enough to get the economy where it is, despite European headwinds. We don't need to point the cannon at the deck, as mudtoe likes to say.

We need to be smart when it comes to where to cut, not just a carte blanche attack on spending.
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 9:32:50 AM

btc1: "A bit fervent aren't you? I mean do you really believe you will change anyone's mind here with your "sudden enlightenment" of being a traitor?"

Nice rhetoric. A bit fervent aren't you. ;)

Reb: "Both Candidates talk about "Bringing home the Bacon" for their group..."

They all do. In every state. It's what they can get done "for the people of my state."
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 9:32:39 AM

"the congress works. The institution under the current 2 party system has become so dysfunctional that it can no longer cope with the long term problems we are facing. I think deep down many voters believe that and that is why so many don't bother to vote.The debt will be 20 trillion in 2017 and both republicans and democrats are to blame for it. Unless both parties start losing a significant percentage of votes to third parties nothing will change. That's why I usually vote libertarian."

100% agreed! I am now much more open to voting outside of Dem/GOP candidates... I used to view it as throwing away my vote, but I cannot I cannot in good conscience keep voting for 'the lesser of two evils'.

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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 9:21:18 AM

"The debt will be 20 trillion in 2017 and both republicans and democrats are to blame for it."
I agree with you there... but notice whenever a person want fiscal responsibility they throw out the "Tea party" as if it's a dirty name...

Frankly continuing to not have fiscal responsibility is being irresponsible and un patriotic... Both Candidates talk about "Bringing home the Bacon" for their group...
SMH
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btc1
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 8:45:22 AM

A bit fervent aren't you? I mean do you really believe you will change anyone's mind here with your "sudden enlightenment" of being a traitor?

[Edited by: btc1 at 10/27/2014 8:46:58 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 7:54:30 AM

therder: "Whether McConnell gets re-elected or Grimes takes the seat it won't make much difference in how the congress works."

Actually, the majority and minority leaders DO have more influence one junior senator or representative. Rand Paul has influence on McConnell now. I'd rather not give ground to liberal fascists.

"The debt will be 20 trillion in 2017 and both republicans and democrats are to blame for it."

I totally agree. At 100% Debt/GDP ratio, we cannot afford to borrow any more, and we can't afford not to borrow more. The patient is hooked up to machines and may not make it to 20 trillion before it flat-lines.

"Unless both parties start losing a significant percentage of votes to third parties nothing will change. That's why I usually vote libertarian."

Unfortunately, a vote for smaller government-minded David Patterson is a throwaway vote for the biggest tax and spend party there is. Alison Grimes appreciates every vote that will go to Patterson. She's counting on David Patterson to get her elected. I don't see how giving ground to the Democrats will help. We need to get through this election cycle. JMHO.

[Edited by: ministorage at 10/27/2014 7:59:09 AM EST]
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therder
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 7:23:29 AM

Whether McConnell gets re-elected or Grimes takes the seat it won't make much difference in how the congress works. The institution under the current 2 party system has become so dysfunctional that it can no longer cope with the long term problems we are facing. I think deep down many voters believe that and that is why so many don't bother to vote.The debt will be 20 trillion in 2017 and both republicans and democrats are to blame for it. Unless both parties start losing a significant percentage of votes to third parties nothing will change. That's why I usually vote libertarian.
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 7:15:13 AM

btc1: "Thank you, Chuck Todd."

Yes. And, of course, thank you, Alice in Wonderland Grimes.
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mweyant: "Quoted what the Washington Post said, mini . . . about the utility rates"

Got it. I didn't mean to attribute the quote to you. Kessler is right - Senator McConnell couldn't have done anything about it if he wanted. Grimes was full of it.

I was just adding that the way to stop the newest EPA regs is for Congress to vote to block them. The regs will make energy cost more, and won't do anything at all to change the climate. Grimes' own campaign workers said she wouldn't vote to block them - and that her ads on the topic are lies. Over and over.

Oh, BTW, from your WaPo Pinocchio article, the summary at the end...

- Grimes first makes a nonsense claim that McConnell should have somehow arranged for scrubbers in a privately-owned plant that would have sent utility rates soaring....

- ... accuses McConnell of being bought off by a $9,000 payment to McConnell’s wife (who is independently wealthy)

- ... puts her own credibility on the line by uttering these recidivist claims herself, rather than relying on an unseen narrator.

- ... this ad is beyond the pale. Indeed, it is likely the worst ad of a nasty campaign year. Grimes should be ashamed of herself.

Four Pinocchios"

Thank you for the article. Grimes is a total train wreck. I'm amazed the race has just a 4.2 point spread.

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[Edited by: ministorage at 10/27/2014 7:14:45 AM EST]
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btc1
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 6:59:21 AM

Busting on tobacco is not a good tactic in Kentucky either.

" "My office is about 30 feet from Speaker Boehner. It's not hard to find if all you do is just follow the cigarette fumes," said McConnell. (22:00 mark)

President Bill Clinton made smoking in federal buildings illegal with Executive Order 13058 in 1997." Many in Kentucky and Boyle County still grow tobacco.

McConnell busts Boehner.

Pretty sad.
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 6:50:40 AM

theTower"He may end up drooling in the senate chamber like Strom Thurmond or Robert Byrd did."

There should be a way to keep that from happening. "

There is. We can vote him out now. It is time.

[Edited by: btc1 at 10/27/2014 6:51:04 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 6:43:32 AM

"He may end up drooling in the senate chamber like Strom Thurmond or Robert Byrd did."

There should be a way to keep that from happening. Whats wrong with people who keep electing these old coots over and over until they literally drop dead while in office.
Pelosi will probably be another one.

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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 6:33:04 AM

ministorage:>>So I understand the desire to vote for Patterson, but it's not time. Grimes is only 35 years old. She has a family and a machine behind her and she *could* be there for many years to come. McConnell will at least be retiring in 6 years.<<

You make a strong argument but I cannot vote for McConnell again. He's been there far too long. As for him retiring in 2020. I wouldn't count on it. It's hard to give up power. He may end up drooling in the senate chamber like Strom Thurmond or Robert Byrd did.
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 1:16:15 AM

Quoted what the Washington Post said, mini . . . about the utility rates

[Edited by: mweyant at 10/27/2014 1:16:47 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2014 10:51:34 PM

mini: "It may sound odd, but if you vote for libertarian David Patterson, that's what you'll be doing - you WILL be voting for Alison Lundergan Grimes. "


That's why I always vote to make the democrat lose. It's much simpler to understand your choices when you understand that voting for who you like the best may result in the one you hate the most winning. Better to identify who you hate the most that has a chance of winning, and then vote in the manner that you believe will have the best chance of making them lose. That always results in me voting for the republican, not necessarily because I like the republican the best, but because I'd rather see anyone elected other than the democrat.


mudtoe

[Edited by: mudtoe at 10/26/2014 10:57:24 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2014 9:06:38 PM

btc1 - my, my.. aren't we touchy about Grimey?
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