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mexicomaria

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Message Posted: Jun 19, 2013 3:23:59 PM

FBI Director Robert Mueller acknowledged the law enforcement agency uses drone aircraft in the United States for surveillance in certain difficult cases.

Mueller told the Senate Judiciary Committee on Wednesday that drones are used by the FBI in a "very, very minimal way and very seldom."

He did not say how many drones the FBI has or how often they have been used.

Sen. Charles Grassley, an Iowa Republican, asked Mueller whether the FBI had guidelines for using drones that would consider the "privacy impact on American citizens."

Mueller replied the agency was in the initial stages of developing them.

"I will tell you that our footprint is very small," he said.

Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Dianne Feinstein expressed concern over drone use domestically.

"I think the greatest threat to the privacy of Americans is the drone and the use of the drone, and the very few regulations that are on it today and the booming industry of commercial drones," the California Democrat said.

No rules in place, for use, no real numbers on how often drones are used.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2013 12:21:04 PM

Big brother is watching.
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airfresh
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2013 10:06:04 AM

Drones over USA... sounds like the words to a song title.
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theTower
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2013 3:22:36 PM

"We are living in a post 911 world, deal with it. The only thing different is the man in charge. Cons had few concerns when their man was in charge. My only worry would be if I accidentally dialed 1-800- usjihad and I ended up on someone's to do list."

NSA Can Store A Billion Cell Phone Calls Every Day

"But what we're really talking about here is a localized system that prevents any form of electronic communication from taking place without its being stored and monitored by the National Security Agency," Greenwald continued. "It doesn't mean that they're listening to every call, it means they're storing every call and have the capability to listen to them at any time, and it does mean that they're collecting millions upon millions upon millions of our phone and email records."

Whatever you say gocatgo



[Edited by: theTower at 6/29/2013 3:23:52 PM EST]
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2013 12:10:26 PM

Whoa, Whoa, Whoa.....so that will be the excuse now to slowly erode the amazing freedom of the USofA.....911. So first monitor all phones, email etc, then the IRS monitors, then the drones monitor, the technology monitoring goes on and on.. Who is monitoring our privacy, our right to privacy? Oh, and monitor our guns (although I do not have one, husband does) so that when all our rights are gone, we can just be marched over...

I think we have to be careful not to just give up all our rights, all our privacy, in the name of safety.
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2013 12:00:31 PM

The T, legalize weed, yes and that's it. An armed drone is a different story when it comes to illegal crossings. "Drones circling", we already have planes and choppers looking for weed in my rural county. So why not a drone. The only people worried would be weed growers and the paranoid.

We are living in a post 911 world, deal with it. The only thing different is the man in charge. Cons had few concerns when their man was in charge. My only worry would be if I accidentally dialed 1-800- usjihad and I ended up on someone's to do list.
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theTower
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2013 12:37:28 AM

"Maybe/maybe not - clearly they have to be careful how they use them. Please feel free to elaborate on 'another item to add to the list', what other ones to you have?"
Timeline of NSA spying.

There is no way to know how much info they have. They are building a place in Utah to store it all.
Why would they need a million square foot building? Why are they even keeping it? Do they seriously expect us to believe they need that much storage to monitor terrorist threats?

[Edited by: theTower at 6/29/2013 12:38:18 AM EST]
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PhilyPhanatic
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 10:38:25 PM

A lot to respond to, so here we go......

'We do not in the rural area I live in.'
Maybe your rural area can't afford them or doesn't see a need for them. Simply because you don't have them doesn't respond to the legality. Some cities don't have public sewer, does that make public sewer illegal?

'I imagine a drone would have a more deliberate search pattern instead of just buzzing through.'
I imagine it would too, so does the police car that drives through your neighborhood (or at least I hope they do), is that 'warrantless surveillance'?

'And where does the video feed end up being stored? And for what purpose?'
My best guess is in data base of the local jurisdiction, maybe others as well. Where is all the data stored, if it is, from all the police cars that have camera's mounted to their cars? Probably the same place. For what purpose - evidence - evidence - evidence. Can we all say together - Aaron Hernandez???? El depo shito

'Unmanned UAV's spying on us are just another item to add to the list of warrantless surveillance that now takes place on Americans.'

Maybe/maybe not - clearly they have to be careful how they use them. Please feel free to elaborate on 'another item to add to the list', what other ones to you have?

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theTower
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 10:20:27 PM

"The last time I checked, most cities/counties/states have helicopters that fly all the time. Really, what is the difference?"

We do not in the rural area I live in. The closest thing I have scene is the helicopter that does a flyover of the gas pipeline that runs underground nearby. Those flights began after 9/11 and were noticed immediately by myself and other residents. We called and were informed that those flights would be taking place from now on. Very low flying helicopter too. I imagine a drone would have a more deliberate search pattern instead of just buzzing through. And where does the video feed end up being stored? And for what purpose?
Unmanned UAV's spying on us are just another item to add to the list of warrantless surveillance that now takes place on Americans.

[Edited by: theTower at 6/28/2013 10:23:41 PM EST]
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kiatoindos
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 10:19:49 PM

Keep a eye on the cons our chicago libs got nothing to hide!
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PhilyPhanatic
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 9:52:00 PM

I only have a minor issue the the drones.

The last time I checked, most cities/counties/states have helicopters that fly all the time. Really, what is the difference?

Yes, they fly at a much higher height and are quieter so we don't see/hear them, but they are still there.

Heck, let's even go further with satellites, they can pick out your license plate number.

Now, if they want to take someone out with a drone, sure, that's a new ball game, so to speak.
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theTower
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 9:20:58 PM

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theTower
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 12:31:07 PM

"Armed drones over the American Mexican border could slow the flow of illegal drugs down."

Legalzation of drugs wuld be much more effective.

"Drones could also slow illegals from crossing our border too."

I like watching you tube videos of border crossings too. Don't recall it stemming the flow much.

"Most of the complaints would come from con business people hiring illegals that would be too scared to cross the border
If amnesty passes, somehow I think not

I agree with sgm4law

[Edited by: theTower at 6/28/2013 12:34:09 PM EST]
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 11:49:36 AM

I think most complaints would come from those of us who want to live in "the land of the free."
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Jun 28, 2013 11:18:02 AM

Armed drones over the American Mexican border could slow the flow of illegal drugs down. Drones could also slow illegals from crossing our border too. Most of the complaints would come from con business people hiring illegals that would be too scared to cross the border.
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greentre
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Message Posted: Jun 20, 2013 6:42:09 PM

Yes, it's anti-lib to want a free, strong America.
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worryfree
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Message Posted: Jun 19, 2013 7:23:11 PM

Somebody has to keep an eye on you cons
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Jun 19, 2013 6:10:14 PM

"With the exceptions noted below, almost all of the bills we’re seeing require law enforcement to get a probable cause warrant before using a drone in an investigation. If you see your state listed below (unless you live in Arizona), call your legislators and urge them to support privacy-protective drones legislation." ACLU

The ACLU is not sitting back while our freedoms are eroded....STatus of domestic drone legislation in each state.
The states are making their own legislation about drone use in their states.
See each state and what they are individually doing. (Not waiting for Federal Govt.)
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greentre
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Message Posted: Jun 19, 2013 5:07:59 PM

"Mueller told the Senate Judiciary Committee on Wednesday that drones are used by the FBI in a "very, very minimal way and very seldom."

Sort of like the NSA only monitors 'some' conversations and doesn't record anything. Sure, and the check is in the mail, really.
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