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mexicomaria

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Message Posted: Jun 12, 2013 1:15:50 AM

There is enough coming out about Hilliary's watch at the State Dept. to keep us busy for awhile....

CBS..State Department memo reveals possible cover-ups, halted investigations
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2014 10:34:38 PM

bigfishmikey: "The stand-down order that left Americans to die? Never happened."

You watching the video I provided below - that never happened.

Hillary Clinton won't run. She knows "two piles" Ray Maxwell will sink any chances of her ever becoming President. She's going to use the grand baby excuse and make a good out.

But I hope she does. ;-)

[Edited by: ministorage at 9/29/2014 10:35:18 PM EST]
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bigfishmikey
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2014 10:23:38 PM


Declassified findings released by the Republican-led House Intelligence Committee this week have demonstrated that there was no Benghazi cover-up, and as of right now, there are exactly zero stories on Fox News’ website about it. Fox News Channel failed to mention it at all on Monday, while Politico reports that Fox is still pretending there’s nothing to see here. That’s “Fair and Balanced” at work for you.
The supposed Obama administration lies about the attacks? They reflected the intelligence community’s assessment. Prior warnings that were ignored? Taken seriously, but weren’t enough to predict the assault. The stand-down order that left Americans to die? Never happened. Rumors of illegal arms trafficking to Libyan militants fighting the Qaddafi regime? Completely made up.
All of this and more was revealed in the declassified report compiled by the committee itself. Twelve Republicans and one Democrat couldn’t find a single snippet.

Read more at /2014/08/listen-fox-news-covers-house-benghazi-report-vindicating-obama/#3GOUAFwbv3eTspx7.99
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2014 10:12:43 PM

Also since your August 5 Media Matters piece:

September 15, 2014 - Ex-official claims Clinton allies scrubbed Benghazi documents in secret session
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2014 9:49:18 PM

bigfishmikey: "/blog/2014/08/05/fox-news-quiet-after-congressional-report-finds/200318"

Perhaps you were trying to link to the August 5 article from Media Matters. That is old news. And very slanted. Fast Forward two months.

Watch the video


[Edited by: ministorage at 9/29/2014 9:51:30 PM EST]
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bigfishmikey
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2014 9:45:38 PM

A report issued Monday by the House Armed Services Committee, chaired by Republicans, puts to rest many popular conspiracy theories about the attack on America's embassy in Benghazi, Libya.

In a rather amazing admission, the report concludes that no "stand down" order was ever given to military personnel as the attack was ongoing -- a key talking point for Republicans, Fox News and other rightwing media outlets.

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bigfishmikey
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2014 9:41:47 PM

Republican representative Mike Rogers of Michigan, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, had to break the bad news to FOX and Klan that his committee had found that no such “stand down” order was ever given from the higher-ups.


[Edited by: bigfishmikey at 9/29/2014 9:43:08 PM EST]
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bigfishmikey
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2014 9:39:15 PM

/gop-house-report-on-benghazi-concludes-there-is-no-beng-1615741728
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bigfishmikey
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2014 9:37:16 PM

/blog/2014/08/05/fox-news-quiet-after-congressional-report-finds/200318
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2014 9:10:24 PM

I wish the newborn and mother well.
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lvskyguy
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2014 9:06:30 PM

Maybe, just maybe, she will USE the baby as an excuse not to run as she has to know the media will hound her on a lot of issues - issues she beats around the bush in attempting to answer. And if she does run and if that baby gets sick or whatever, she may be the doting controlling grandmother who has to be with Chelsea. This woman has an excuse for everything and to quote her: "What difference does it make?"

Just be the doting grandmother, Hillary. Retire, forget politics, shut-up and enjoy grand motherhood, Please!
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2014 8:22:55 PM

Hillary is apparently "over the moon" with new granddaughter Charlotte so perhaps the urge to run for president and take two years away from her granddaughter will be more than she is willing to do.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2014 10:37:15 AM

Wake Up, Republicans: Hillary Clinton’s Machine Can Crush You!!

"Yes, the Ready for Hillary PAC will soon be everywhere—in fact, working in every state where there is a key Senate race in the upcoming midterm election. This is number four on my list, and it is politically groundbreaking. Never in the history of American politics has an organization with an unannounced presidential candidate tried to influence the outcome of an election in the name of that candidate."

"In order to defend Clinton against any damaging revelations that may emerge from the select House committee on Benghazi, no fewer than three Democrat groups are ready to pounce. On September 16, Politico reported that a new pro-Clinton group called Correct the Record will work with Democratic researchers and establish a website that “is designed like a news site and will issue detailed, rapid responses to charges against Clinton—mimicking the way a campaign would defend a candidate in real time during a presidential debate.”"

Republicans had better run a vibrant primary and select an awesome candidate, without loading that person up with battle wounds from that primary season.
Clinton's machine is built, well-oiled, well-funded, and loaded with media myrmidons ready to spread her deceitful divisive message around the country, at no charge.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Sep 22, 2014 9:44:11 AM

Dig deep - find lots of dirt:

The Hillary Letters - Hillary Clinton, Saul Alinsky correspondence revealed

These letters were in archives at the U. of Texas

"Previously unpublished correspondence between Hillary Clinton and the late left-wing organizer Saul Alinsky reveal new details about her relationship with the controversial Chicago activist and shed light on her early ideological development."

This column reads like a Who's Who of 1960s American Radicals!
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Sep 22, 2014 8:29:20 AM

I hope she runs, but I don't think the Republican presidential candidate will be so lucky as to have the baggage lady as opponent in the General Election
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Message Posted: Sep 22, 2014 5:08:13 AM

Previously unpublished correspondence between Hillary Clinton and the late left-wing organizer Saul Alinsky reveal new details about her relationship with the controversial Chicago activist and shed light on her early ideological development.

Our country won't survive two Alinsky radicals in a row.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Sep 18, 2014 12:42:52 PM

Perhaps the shine is off the bloom.
Left blasts Clinton in secret emails {'secret' emails - LOL}
"Emails sent by liberal activists and obtained by The Hill reveal significant dissatisfaction with Hillary Clinton, the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2016.
The critical messages about the former first lady show that she has a long way to go to assuage skepticism from influential voices on the left."

Related:
Democrats turn on committee chief Watzername Schultz
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2014 3:12:32 PM

I hope she runs.
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SAVMOR
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2014 2:50:44 PM

It is frightening, MM, that Hillary could be our next president. She has the same base Obama had no matter if he was qualified or not. They wanted the first black president and those same bases now want the first woman president no matter what.

Goodness gracious people don't you have Clinton Fatigue Syndrome by now? After eight years of the Clinton White House and another 16 where Bill and Hillary have both been major figures in American politics, people should be ready to move on and get something new.

I and many others most likely agree that she is not qualified, she is dishonest, and the fact that her husband, Bill, would be back in the White House is an awful thought.
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2014 12:25:23 PM

I am not sure that Hillary can be beat...there are too many folks who care not about truth, they find lying acceptable (38%), they forget long ago scandals in a NY minute, if you asked them about Vince Foster or Whitewater.......they say, "dah, what"... also they do not care if she can not manage the Sec. of State job, and those under her die on the job, they care not that she scrubs records, ......they also can be bought..

Soooooo, once again we will slip farther into the the miry clay of incompetency to lead the free world, or just the State Dept.... and to plan instead of react.
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2014 10:00:31 AM

As Obama became more and more popular she has tried to distance herself from his administration. Unfortunately for her she is tied to the hip with him and his mess....well, she is part of the foreign affairs mess.
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2014 9:45:14 AM


There is too much baggage with Hillary and it does seem strange that where Hillary was in the past, there were indictments. It presents a mistrust. I do not trust her or her agenda. I think she is an opportunist and a socialist at heart. With this in mind if she runs she will be beat IMO. Historically after eight years of a democratic administration
and if history is a predictor, then Republicans appear to be due for a presidential victory in 2016.

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ministorage
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Message Posted: Sep 16, 2014 6:48:44 AM

It looks like the baggage lady has already decided to run. I hope she does.

[Edited by: ministorage at 9/16/2014 6:49:06 AM EST]
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SAVMOR
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 7:09:30 PM

Totally agree MM and let us not forget White Water also. How can anyone with a brain consider Hillary a virtuous candidate for the White House?

[Edited by: SAVMOR at 9/15/2014 7:11:27 PM EST]
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 6:32:11 PM

Do we as American's desire nothing better than liars...who answer to no one? What is wrong with us.

Does no one remember Vince Foster? and it just continues to this day...I would not be a bit surprised about taking records related to Benghazi...it is her modus operandi. Slimy.
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 6:10:55 PM

Knowing what she has done in the past this sure sounds like a Billary thing....
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>>>A former State Department employee has come out for the first time with the shocking allegation that people close to Hillary Clinton withheld damning documents involving security lapses pertaining to the attacks on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, Libya on Sept. 11, 2012.
Deputy Assistant Secretary Raymond Maxwell, at the time a high-ranking employee in the Bureau of Near Eastern Affairs, said that his department was tasked with collecting Benghazi-related documents and emails shortly after the incident, in which four Americans were killed, including U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens, the Daily Signal reports.
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The Daily Signal reports that Maxwell heard about the meeting after it had occurred, and decided to investigate on a Sunday afternoon. He found stacks and boxes of documents, and an office manager who had gone to the meeting without informing him, even though he was technically her superior. Maxwell described her as being close to top Clinton advisers.
“She told me, ‘Ray, we are to go through these stacks and pull out anything that might put anybody in the [Near Eastern Affairs] front office or the seventh floor [Where the offices of the Secretary and her immediate staff are located] in a bad light. ”
“I asked her, ‘but isn’t that unethical?’ She responded, ‘Ray, those are our orders.’”
Soon after this exchange, Maxwell relates that two officials who were close to Clinton came in briefly to check on the proceedings of the operation.
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Maxwell, a former Navy officer who worked in foreign service for 21 years, was placed on leave by the State Department. He says he was a scapegoat, though no formal accusations were made and he was cleared of all wrongdoing before retiring in November 2013.
Maxwell talked to a State Department ombudsman to discover why he was being placed on leave. He recounts his experience:
“She told me, ‘You are taking this all too personally, Raymond. It is not about you.’ I told her that ‘My name is on TV and I’m on administrative leave, it seems like it’s about me.’ Then she said, ‘You’re not harmed, you’re still getting paid. Don’t watch TV. Take your wife on a cruise. It’s not about you; it’s about Hillary and 2016.”<<<

Yes it sounds as if it is more than likely true. Of course I dislike Billary and believe she is a "evil" person at best.
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 1:48:57 PM

Yeah yeah, whoopee-do, she's "baaaaaaack." 6 Years? Typical of politicians - they campaign and then don't return until they NEED something! Hopefully this was just a small handful of blind-sighted supporters. I was a little confused if she was reciting HER personal speech or Mr. Obama's of "working hard."

Yeah, where are the thick glasses? And where does this thing shop with those tacky pant suits????? Always said, Thrift Shops. (Remember, they left the White House "Dead Broke").

Wonder how she would comment on ISIS? Lord Save Us!

Of course, she wants to be BEGGED. She rivals in all this attention. Still, running scared and will not commit until she KNOWS WHO the other Candidates will be.

She is after the young voters who do not know ALL the Clinton History and wants the young women's votes.

She will be a Grandmother soon, and the fear here is that if that baby gets sick will she be on Air Force Once to be there for Chelsea???

NOT a good choice to ever consider! Too much double-talk from this thing. Betcha she couldn't wait to get her fangs in that steak while Billy Boy could nip the booze bottle.
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 1:00:57 PM

I actually think she is sitting and waiting to see if the hidden truths start boiling to the surface...or she is waiting to be begged. Where are her thick glasses.

I think the Democrats need to start ramping up Joe, or Elizabeth, or.............

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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 12:43:29 PM

Well, that 'bombshell' story (as described on Fox News.....) certainly can push
this fluff piece off the front pages.
"“Hello, Iowa, I’m back!” she exclaimed upon taking the microphone, stretching out the “a” in “back” as she smiled in front of hay bales, an American flag and a John Deere tractor." (I have a use for one of those hay bales....)
"Speaking to about 10,000 Democrats — many of whom wore stickers distributed by Ready for Hillary..."

"“It’s true,” she said, teasing the crowd. “I am thinking about it.”"

Tell us something we don't already know, Hillary.

"On Sunday, Mrs. Clinton repeatedly said she was glad to be back in Iowa, but the state holds bitter memories for her. In the 2008 Democratic caucus, Mrs. Clinton came in third behind then-Senator Barack Obama and John Edwards,"

Not sure whether the public would be better served by looking back six years, or just two.......

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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 12:27:07 PM

Looks like Hillary may have used the shredder a bit too much!
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Sep 8, 2014 12:43:02 AM

Well, Joe Biden is looking better every day...

What happened to Hillary's thick glasses?
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 1:14:09 PM

Read up on Hillary Clinton's Foreign Policy Failures.

Yet bleating democrat after bleating democrat continues to line up to sing the praises of this complete failure of a person. They think she is somehow Presidential material.......god help our country that has so many clueless people who actually vote.......
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lvskyguy
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 2:29:44 PM

HaHa! Queen Bee (take that as you may) opened her mouth again! "Failed." "Don't do stupid things." Hey, Queen-of-the-Thrift-Shops, take your own advice. Every time she opens her mouth!!!!

Wondering now how her "hug-a-thon" went! What a total hypocrite!

Talk about Stupid! Wowwwwwwww!
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lvskyguy
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Message Posted: Aug 5, 2014 11:17:58 PM

HaHa @ "energizer." Isn't he a bit old and on the unappealing gross side for a mistress? Oh, sorry, forgot: with Lady Thrift Shop Hillary with the home-cut hairdo's, a money hungry mistress would have to be an alternative. Obviously the woman has no self-respect either. Some "hard choices". (Now now, all you mistresses out there, we ALL know it ain't love).

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Message Posted: Aug 5, 2014 9:15:07 PM

national news had a segment tonight about the "energizer" = bill clintons mistress, and this book.

looks like bill hasn't changed
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Message Posted: Aug 5, 2014 9:13:54 PM

from the "ouchie" link:

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A new book released Tuesday alleges that former first lady and secretary of state Hillary Clinton is extremely abusive and condescending to the very people assigned to protect her–the Secret Service.
In “The First Family Detail: Secret Service Agents Reveal the Hidden Lives of the Presidents,” New York Times bestselling author Ronald Kessler gives an inside look at what the Secret Service experiences based on exclusive, on-the-record interviews.
Kessler writes, “When in public, Hillary smiles and acts graciously. As soon as the cameras are gone, her angry personality, nastiness, and imperiousness become evident.”
Kessler interviews agents who describe Clinton telling Secret Service agents to “f*** off” simply for saying “Good morning, ma’am” during the Monica Lewinsky scandal.
“Hillary was so mistrustful and vengeful” said a former agent to Kessler.
On Tuesday, Rare had the opportunity to talk with Ronald Kessler about Hillary Clinton’s outrageous behavior toward the Secret Service.Ronald Kessler: Yeah, and what does that tell you about Hilary Clinton? She claims to be a champion of the little people. She says her policies are going to help the middle class. There’s all this discussion about whether disconnected from the ordinary person simply because she wealthy.
That’s not the issue.
The issue is she’s openly hostile to, mean to, nasty to, little people who try to not only help her, but would lay down their lives for her. That is something that people need to focus on just as people needed to focus on the fact that Richard Nixon was involved in the so-called ‘Checkers’ ethics episode before he was elected and, sure enough, he gave us Watergate.and more about uncle joe biden, it was revealed that when he is guarded by "female" ss agents, he likes to parade around in the nude and swim in the nude, which makes the female ss agents quite upset, however, they can't do anything about it because of biden and obama - go figure. and bill clinton was worse? uffda

Kurt Wallace: Now these are men who are protecting presidents and people in executive positions these men they have families they are human beings. This must be very difficult for them to have to deal with these lack of common sense things and these attitudes towards them.
Ronald Kessler: Yeah another thing that agents have to deal with is that Biden, even though they like him personally, he likes to talk to their kids. Unlike Hillary, who totally annoys the agents. But he has a habit of, just on spur of the moment, deciding to go up to Wilmington which he does at least once a week, sometimes twice in one day.
Which, by the way, has cost taxpayers a million dollars since he took office. For Air Force Two, which I also have in the book. Even though these are personal trips, he has a residence in Washington. He has no business going back and forth so frequently to his home in Wilmington. In fact sometimes he even flies just back from Wilmington to Washington to play golf with President Obama and Obama’s aware of costs. But in addition, Biden will just decide to go to Wilmington without giving his agents any notice so they never have a life, never have a home life, they never know when they’re going to be going up to Wilmington. And the Secret Service has had to rent condos there because he goes there so frequently.
So that’s where the agents stay. These are all just shocking, shocking revelations and it shows you what fools we are. We have these leaders who pull the wool over our eyes and pretend that they’re decent human beings and yet behind the scenes so many times you see that they’re quite the opposite.
Kurt Wallace: Ronald Kessler author of The First Family Detail: Secret Service Agents Reveal the Hidden Lives of the Presidents. Thank you for being with us today on Rare.
Ronald Kessler: Thank you so much.====

the #1 ranked person by the SS = Laura Bush.
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lvskyguy
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Message Posted: Aug 5, 2014 8:41:20 PM

Very interesting "Ouchie." (Tho, suspected such of her and those typical all-smiles sweetie-pies out there who KNOW how to play the con game with the under-educated or gullible people).

She can be referred to as a Predator as she preys upon those types of people. Also, sure she is all for women, in hopes that the younger women, will fall into her waiting arms; the younger generation who are unaware of many of her and Billy Red Nose's shenanigans (WhiteWater and TravelGate).

When asked a question on anything, can she ever give a direct answer? (Of course this goes for many Politicians these days). But she goes into loooooong elaborate sentences, throwing the listener off-track, with all the double-talk. People who continue on and on with 100 word sentences are usually taken off-guard by the question so by talking, the mind is surfing for an appropriate answer.

Just still cannot see her as a Leader. Not a Leader of the Pack, not a Leader of Sheep, not a Leader of a Shift at McDonald's.

Ha! No love lost here.
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Message Posted: Aug 5, 2014 6:59:44 PM

I75,

Very informative link. I would hope those that are looking to her to lead this country would take the time to see how she treats the very people who are risking their lives to protect her are treated. For some reason I have my doubts this will happen.

-MJ
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Aug 5, 2014 3:21:30 PM

Ouchie !!!
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daylily2009
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Message Posted: Jul 29, 2014 11:18:04 AM

One reason anyone except bill would vote for hillary?

[Edited by: daylily2009 at 7/29/2014 11:19:56 AM EST]
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lvskyguy
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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2014 2:47:18 PM

Oh yes, Please RUN! Hillary, PLEASE run - to the Hills of Arkansas!
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2014 2:30:10 PM

ooooohhhhhhm, Hillary, you better run, Progressives are encouraging Elizabeth Warren to run (you know, Elzabeth Warren, the Native American)....
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Jul 22, 2014 11:05:08 AM

I am firmly on the "No More Clintons, No More Bushes" bandwagon.

Jack, Mr. Romney looks better and better.....in the rear view mirror....

Meanwhile, back from the book tour.....
Hillary's Silence Is Deafening
"You can’t exactly accuse someone who just finished a book tour of hiding, but Hillary Clinton certainly is ducking a lot of questions."

"Haberman observed, “What has been really striking about Hillary Clinton’s book tour is she has not taken a single question, that I know of from reporters who are attending.”"

But if she does plan to run for President, inquiring minds want to know:
"What does she think we should do about Gaza? What does she think about the Iran interim agreement extension?"
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Jul 22, 2014 10:46:41 AM

>>If Hillary is the best this country has to offer for president then we are in sad, sad shape. We do not need the Clinton's back in the White House.<<
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While I agree 100% with your assessment, can't that be said for MOST Presidential Candidates?

I sincerely believe those that are chosen are merely mouthpieces for the establishment. An excellent book on how we are duped into accepting the limited choices is,
"No Debate" by George Farah.

Our country is in desperate need of honest, truly caring and honourable leaders. It is sad we have to ALMOST ALWAYS decide upon the lessor of two evils.

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Message Posted: Jul 22, 2014 7:06:24 AM

If Hillary is the best this country has to offer for president then we are in sad, sad shape. We do not need the Clinton's back in the White House.
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Message Posted: Jul 11, 2014 10:20:44 PM

A Provocateur’s Book on Hillary Clinton Overtakes Her Memoir in Sales Blood Feud vs. Hard Choices in Hillary Clinton Book Battle



Of all the headaches of her current book tour — the declining sales, the constant travel, the interviews that generated unkind headlines about her family’s wealth — this one may sting Hillary Rodham Clinton the most: Her memoir, “Hard Choices,” has just been toppled from its spot on the best-seller list by a sensational Clinton account by her longtime antagonist Edward Klein."


[Edited by: reb4 at 7/11/2014 10:23:45 PM EST]
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SAVMOR
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Message Posted: Jul 9, 2014 9:41:31 AM

Aside from her already noted record setting pace for racking up frequent flier miles, what did she really do? Was there any great peace deal brokered somewhere? Some breakthrough in trade or normalization of relations with a previously hostile nation? Or even the submission of one to international pressure brokered by the US? Nothing seems to jump to mind.
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Message Posted: Jul 6, 2014 9:01:42 PM

A cashier at the 99 cent store would make a better candidate.
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daylily2009
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Message Posted: Jul 6, 2014 8:22:46 PM

liberals want warren to upset hillary
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lvskyguy
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Message Posted: Jul 6, 2014 5:37:39 PM

The only thing she has accomplished is .... how many flying miles? Over a million? And that makes it seem she was 'working,' actively concerned of World Politics?

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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Jul 6, 2014 5:11:15 PM

nope, I actually think Elizabeth Warren is worse.

Hillary is not good but Elizabeth is scary.
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