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btc1
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Message Posted: May 26, 2013 11:16:09 AM

Bob Dole on Fox News Sunday,

" WALLACE: What do you think of your party, the Republicans today?

DOLE: I think they ought to put a sign on the national committee doors that says “closed for repairs” until New Year’s Day next year — and spend that time going over ideas and positive agendas.

WALLACE: You describe the GOP of your generation as Eisenhower Republicans, moderate Republicans. Could people like you, even Ronald Reagan — could you make it in today’s Republican Party.

DOLE: I doubt it. Reagan couldn’t have made it. Certainly Nixon couldn’t have made it, cause he had ideas. We might have made it, but I doubt it."

I think he is right.
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KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2015 12:59:45 AM

"Boehner showed enough leadership that though humiliated the repairs are starting to get underway."

Time will tell whether any material changes will be forthcoming. I'm not yet ready to hold my breath waiting.
Passer
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2015 2:19:11 AM

Well Boehner gave the Tea Party Anarchists, the Party's Teens, a spanking they will remember for putting their parents in such a stupid corner. Boehner had to cave completely due to his teens stupidity and he lost more face than even Romney had spares for.

Boehner showed enough leadership that though humiliated the repairs are starting to get underway.
KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2015 11:53:52 PM

" may well now be responsible for shutting down the rest of the Republican Party for good."

Down for good? They currently enjoy their largest majority in Congress in a long, long time as well as a continuing stranglehold in quite a few state governments. I wouldn't exactly label them as moribund now. This is their opportunity to demonstrate to the nation and the world what impressive things they can accomplish.
Passer
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2015 2:16:18 AM

If the GOP doesn't fully fund DHS (and not on their weakly installment plan) even their Senate members recognize they are in danger of being closed for longer than merely repairs.

Isn't it ironic that the Tea Party which successfully shut down the US government to their everlasting "responsibility", may well now be responsible for shutting down the rest of the Republican Party for good.

The GOP thought it would make them a bigger and stronger party to let those Anarchists in, but like tigers Anarchists don't change their stripes either so now they may be responsible for shutting down the GOP.

And they will go down in history as just writing it off as just another Tea Party/Anarchist success.

Hint: Fully Fund DHS or GOP go boom!

KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2015 12:00:09 AM

"Those in Congress who vote to defund DHS just when our malls are threatened should be charged with treason. Let them give their reasons under oath. Then the rest of the facts will come out."

I fundamentally agree with this, but I do recognize that much of what currently goes on in Washington, DC is mere political theatre. Of course, if DHS were to actually be defunded and some terrorist attack was enabled as a result, then I might support charges of treason against those who voted to defund. Or, perhaps, to publish the home address of each person who voted to defund and let the cards fall where they may.
Passer
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2015 12:27:16 PM

typo. Should be

Now Texas PAT, did they ever teach you the concept of "one man one vote" or has that recently been banned and the Texas School Book Curriculum Association STRUCK that out of Texas school books too?
Passer
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2015 11:51:12 AM

"Legal cheating? Would that be like Al Gore should have been President."

"Al Gore should have been president" is YOUR strawman. I never said as such and I agree with you that Bush's election was valid. Al Gore also agrees.

That does not alter the fact that "gerrymandering" is not "one person, one vote" except in YOUR mind. Our country and democracy was built on one person one vote and any and all efforts by any party to get around that MANDATE is CHEATING unless in Texas they fear and want to get rid of Civics class like they fear and wish to manipulate Science to their wishes, also.

Now Texas PAT, did they ever teach you the concept of "one man one vote" or has that recently been banned and stuck out of Texas school books too?

If they did, I understand your and your fellow Texans ignorance on this and will pray for the day Texas rejoins the union and the 21st Century.




[Edited by: Passer at 2/24/2015 11:56:50 AM EST]
Passer
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2015 1:02:06 AM

"No surprise there...you running with a figment of your imagination and no facts to support your assertion."



Those in Congress who vote to defund DHS just when our malls are threatened should be charged with treason. Let them give their reasons under oath. Then the rest of the facts will come out.




[Edited by: Passer at 2/24/2015 1:02:29 AM EST]
PegasusAT
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2015 12:59:27 AM

Passer, such an intelligent response for why your Democrats lost the Senate on a national level. That's the best you have?

Legal cheating? Would that be like Al Gore should have been President. Even though the recount vote in Florida by the media showed that Bush won. Look at it from this viewpoint. If Gore would have carried his home state he would have won.
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2015 12:33:09 AM

Katmando said: "I thought the GOP fundamentally favors anarchy these days."

No surprise there...you running with a figment of your imagination and no facts to support your assertion.
KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2015 12:10:35 AM

"This will prove another down fall for them."

Do their supporters even expect the GOP to be able to govern? I thought the GOP fundamentally favors anarchy these days.
btc1
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2015 7:02:11 AM

Well, they gained control by 1/3 majority of voters. So what have they done since? Not much...

This will prove another down fall for them.
KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2015 11:29:15 PM

"it will be quite a sight to see Texas W.A.S.P.S. being stung instead of doing the stinging. "

That might indeed be an entertaining spectacle.
Passer
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2015 1:32:49 AM

"So how good did the Democratic Party do on a national level in the 2014 mid-term elections?"

I guess in Texas "demographics" is in the same boat as "evolution". It is, as most "science" not understood. Your leaders do, however understand gerrymandering and that is what gave you your 2014 Pyrrhic victories. As time goes on, that legal cheating will have less and less of an effect as either courts strike down gerrymandering or the birthrate the races the Republicans fear, will overtake them and it will be quite a sight to see Texas W.A.S.P.S. being stung instead of doing the stinging.
PegasusAT
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2015 12:46:20 AM

>>Passer, And as Demographics tend to catch up with them more and more, they will more and more continue to be a party of National losers as time goes on...<<

So how good did the Democratic Party do on a national level in the 2014 mid-term elections?
KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2015 11:59:22 PM

"Austin, even now if it could, would probably secede from Texas thus enabling it to rejoin the United States!"

The laws ought to be changed so that our units of government serve all of the people best, not just protect boundary lines which were established in the 19th century or earlier.

I do notice that those pursuing the establishment of Reagan are explicitly intending to exclude Texas from their little party. Evidently the demographics of Texas do not much appeal to them.
Passer
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2015 2:45:44 AM

Imagine the can of worms that might open:

Austin, even now if it could, would probably secede from Texas thus enabling it to rejoin the United States!

LOL





[Edited by: Passer at 2/19/2015 2:47:18 AM EST]
KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2015 2:39:10 AM

"as Demographics tend to catch up with them more and more, they will continue to be a party of losers as time goes on. "

They always have the option to secdee and form their own nation. Some have been promoting the formation of Reagan already, to initially include Fla., GA & S. Car.. They ought to be able to add at least a few more Red states to those three. Maybe Ala.'s Roy Moore will end up their Chief Supreme Court Justice. They'd probably love for him to move his Ten Commandments statue into Reagan's Supreme Court Building.
Passer
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2015 2:27:20 AM

Actually, there are some good ideas in there. But the article seems to be over the head of the Tea Party who have done to the GOP exactly what Patake claimed happened to the Democratic Party: "We have just seen the Democratic Party switch from being a liberal party with a few conservatives to a leftist party with some liberals.”

The GOP once had a Rockefeller Wing (that was back when it actually won presidential elections) so it went from a Conservative Party with a few Liberals into a Right Wing Reactionary Party with a few Conservatives! And as Demographics tend to catch up with them more and more, they will more and more continue to be a party of National losers as time goes on. And God-forbid the courts wipe out Gerrymandering that will be their death-knell even on a local level!






[Edited by: Passer at 2/19/2015 2:30:05 AM EST]
I75at7AM
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Building a Durable GOP for 2016 and Beyond

"First, the GOP should rebrand itself as “Pro-Commerce” instead of “Pro-Business”.

"Being “pro-business” conjures up images of fat-cat, cigar-puffing bankers and CEO’s out of the Gilded Age;"

"Being “pro-commerce”, on the other hand, imbues the GOP with inherently conservative notions of a free and fair marketplace and equality before government. It implies that a Republican government won’t cater to the “crony capitalists”....

"Repositioning the GOP as a party that appeals to middle-income working people and middle managers, as well as entrepreneurs, senior executives, and investors, is ultimately an appeal to our countrymen’s long-term aspirations and ambitions -- a call to our future, as it were -- over the next quarter’s profit or the value of investment portfolios."

Indeed.

Is the RNC listening?
modeshoo825
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2014 9:34:41 PM

Parroting his messiah 0bama, btc said: "Nationwide, only 1/3 of registered voted exercised that right. Just 1/3 voted."

Look up the difference between "registered voters" and "eligible voters" - big difference. While voter turn-out may have been relatively low nationally, where it mattered voter turn-out was generally higher and in some cases set records, for example:

NC voter turnout sets mid-term record

Not Quite a Record for Voter Turnout (in Iowa, 3,000 fewer than the record in 2010)

Wisconsin on pace for record voter turnout
Service66
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2014 7:58:38 PM


>>So help me to learn what is 'dark money' and where it comes from.

Wikipedia suggests it started with the Sunlight Foundation. It refers to election campaign money that goes undisclosed.

"Shadow money", like shadow government, would be a more appropriate term but dark money has a flow to it.

johnnyg1200
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>>Non-profits do not have to disclose donors. But they are allowed to donate to PACs. A PAC must disclose donors quarterly, but can wait until after an election to do so. And if the money came from a non-profit, that is all they have to disclose. So the original donors may remain secret.

If they are foreigners it would not be revealed.<<

Do you mean foreigners like the ones in China?
Service66
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2014 7:44:59 PM


>>Hence ISIS could be influencing our elections. And nobody can say that it is not.

Or... ISIS is in no way influencing on our elections. And nobody can say it is.

Both are equally meaningless.

SE3.5
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2014 7:36:48 PM

"Non-profits do not have to disclose donors."

I believe non-profits must disclose donors of $5,000 or more to the IRS, but not to the public, and we know the IRS keeps a close eye on conservative leaning non-profits.

Although I am retired, my fee is $200 per hour for performing legal research. Please post your real name and address so I can send my bill. {:>)
SE3.5
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2014 7:13:50 PM

"ISIS could be influencing our elections.

And nobody can say that it is not."

Your irrational thought that ISIS could be monetarily supporting conservative candidates is is just that--irrational. However, the administration's tepid response to ISIS may very well have had an influence on this election.
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2014 5:56:43 PM

An easy way to learn more is to simply state what you believe here. If incorrect you will be told. Some do it in a nicer way than others. Then, with a little research, you can learn more about it.

Non-profits do not have to disclose donors. But they are allowed to donate to PACs. A PAC must disclose donors quarterly, but can wait until after an election to do so. And if the money came from a non-profit, that is all they have to disclose. So the original donors may remain secret.

If they are foreigners it would not be revealed.

The FEC is essentially hamstrung anyway. Since it is equally composed of an even number of Republicans and Democrats it is always deadlocked on taking action. When no action is taken to make a ruling or investigate a complaint it sets a precedent that such action is acceptable.

Hence ISIS could be influencing our elections.

And nobody can say that it is not.

And it would be in their interest (and this is a common interest with Republicans in many States where registered Democrats hold a majority) to reduce voter turn-out through negative campaigning.

Dark money is usually spent on negative campaigning.
SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2014 5:43:34 PM

I am uninformed about a lot of things. As are most people. So help me to learn what is 'dark money' and where it comes from. Non-profits which are not PACs can spend to influence elections but they do not fall under FEC regulations. They do not have to disclose where the money comes from. As I understand it there is no requirement that this money even originates within the USA. If this is incorrect please inform?
SE3.5
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2014 5:36:09 PM

"If the donors do not have to be reported how is there any oversight as to where the money originates?"

You are soooo misinformed. PACs must report their donors to the Federal Election Commission on a monthly or quarterly basis, (source: open secrets.com)
SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2014 5:25:19 PM

One can donate to PACs without donating to candidates or parties.

" Foreign nationals, other than lawful permanent residents, are completely banned from donating to candidates or parties, or making independent expenditures in federal, state or local elections. "

If the donors do not have to be reported how is there any oversight as to where the money originates?

[Edited by: SemiSteve at 11/5/2014 5:28:56 PM EST]
SE3.5
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"There is no requirement that the money even come from Americans. How absurd that our American SCOTUS would decide this is OK."

You are soooo uninformed. Foreign nationals, other than lawful permanent residents, are completely banned from donating to candidates or parties, or making independent expenditures in federal, state or local elections.
FaithAlone
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2014 5:06:55 PM

Hmmmmmm.

Could those Democrats who did win be the result of ISIS money?

Nobody can say definitively no to that.
SE3.5
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2014 5:06:49 PM

"Could the Republican sweep be the result of ISIS money?"

I always thought of you as a rational liberal. Not so much after that comment.
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2014 5:03:46 PM

btc1:>>Is this win by Republicans really enough to overcome a Democratic Candidate for President? Doubtful. Especially after they have their dismal performance for the next 2 years. Midterms do that to parties. Over confidence.<<

The electorate in presidential elections has been trending more and more democrat for over 20 years. Republicans will need to unite early behind one candidate to have a chance in 2016. I don't think that will happen. The republican party is too fractured. I hope they prove me wrong over the next 2 years. Send some bills to the president. Make him sign or veto and then the voters can decide if they like the results.
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2014 4:53:27 PM

Sounds like ISIS is getting their way.

I have wondered if they used some of their big money to secretly donate to American political organizations, now that those organizations do not have to report where the donations came from. There is no requirement that the money even come from Americans. How absurd that our American SCOTUS would decide this is OK.

It is now perfectly legal for ISIS to spend freely to secretly influence our elections and it is in their interest to do so.

ISIS would love to see a failure of American Democracy. Secret dark money is nearly all used for negative campaigning, which tends to cause people to become sick of the political process and decide not to vote. So it would be in ISIS' favor to cause a low voter turn-out.

Did you see any negative advertising during the election?

Hmmmmmm.

Could the Republican sweep be the result of ISIS money?

Nobody can say definitively no to that.
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2014 4:41:45 PM

"Nationwide, only 1/3 of registered voted exercised that right. Just 1/3 voted."

The other 2/3 exercised their right not to vote.
SE3.5
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2014 4:33:50 PM

"Nationwide, only 1/3 of registered voted exercised that right. Just 1/3 voted."

2/3 are still unaware that an election took place yesterday.
btc1
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2014 4:20:04 PM

Nationwide, only 1/3 of registered voted exercised that right. Just 1/3 voted.
btc1
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2014 2:26:26 PM

Well, Kentucky only had 45% voter turn out yesterday. It was less nationwide. Now does that really give a mandate to anyone?

Is this win by Republicans really enough to overcome a Democratic Candidate for President? Doubtful. Especially after they have their dismal performance for the next 2 years. Midterms do that to parties. Over confidence.
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2014 1:20:18 PM

"Most people just don't care anymore..."
Most Democrats were apathetic, that's how a Republican gets elected by 9 points in a 2-1 advantage Dem state like Maryland. The Republicans voted, the Democrats stayed home.
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2014 12:11:59 PM

"Proof of GOP still "closed for repairs" is their and their Tea Party Candidate Michael Grimm:"

Grimm won 55% to 42% WITHOUT Republican party support. It would appear the Democratic party is the one that was "closed for repairs", in that district.
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2014 11:59:43 AM

"It doesn't matter who is in power, they get stale eventually, and are voted out."

Not always......"There is still work to be done."
LOL isn't that the truth... And some action needs to be taken.
Rhetoric is great, action is better......
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2014 11:57:03 AM

"Would certainly appear after today's election results they're open for business."

Very low voter turn-out for this one, at least in my precinct. Typical for midterm elections.

Most people just don't care anymore...
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2014 11:52:26 AM

"Would certainly appear after today's election results they're open for business."

It doesn't matter who is in power, they get stale eventually, and are voted out.
And while it looks like Republicans got on a roll, it is noted they still don't seem likely to steamroll into the White House. There is still work to be done.
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2014 12:34:13 AM

>>Passer, If you have any children, is that how one teaches them your Conservative "Values"????!..<<

This coming from an individual who has a liberal, Anthony Weiner. Like you want him teaching children that his values are acceptable.
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Message Posted: Nov 4, 2014 11:54:52 PM

Would certainly appear after today's election results they're open for business.
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Message Posted: Nov 4, 2014 5:23:31 PM

Well, our friend btc1 may be eating big helping of crow, followed by a slice of humble pie. Let's just see after tonight.

But since the Reps seem to have the Dems on the run right now, even in his own beautiful home Commonwealth of Kentucky, then I think he ought to agree those repairs are finished.

Here, now.. why not close the Democrat party for repairs? Maybe after they get their heads screwed on straight with regards to monetary policy, unfunded/unfundable mandates and foreign affairs, they can start to win. But then again, that would mean the Dems moderating, and they seem unwilling and unable to do so.

I think Obama and the lib dems are going to get a throttling tonight, but I think Obama is too arrogant to understand it
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Message Posted: Oct 3, 2014 2:11:18 AM

Proof of GOP still "closed for repairs" is their and their Tea Party Candidate Michael Grimm:



"A 20-count federal indictment and threatening to toss a reporter off a balcony might immediately disqualify a congressman from a bid for a third term." But not Grimm, the epitome of GOP and Tea Party "values".

Michael will help get the GOP, still notoriously drinking their tea that might eventually have the same political effect on the GOP that those in Jonestown drinking their koolaid had to their earthly existence. The GOP will eventually go down with the count with him, but not just one little count but a full 20 Federal count. But the Tea Party was never known to be able to count very well so they will count on him if he's re-elected. If you have any children, is that how one teaches them your Conservative "Values"????!



[Edited by: Passer at 10/3/2014 2:12:49 AM EST]
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"A payroll tax cut, paid for by eliminating loopholes for the wealthy..."

There's your problem right there. No one seems to be capable of eliminating loopholes for the wealthy.
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Message Posted: Sep 29, 2014 1:46:12 AM

This response probably belongs in this topic rather than the one it originally posted to...


"Scott Walker, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz and plenty more are possible contenders."

1. The GOP is already crippled and no one ever needed or used a Walker to run!

2. It would be safer for the GOP to take their Cruz on the Costa Concordia than to try to go bon voyage with their bombastic fanatic named Ted.

3. Rubio may have a future if he gives Romney back some of the faces he's borrowed from him. He may also want to read Profiles in Courage on how to help regrow some of the backbone he lost in a GOP Immigration Bill fight...






[Edited by: Passer at 9/29/2014 1:47:16 AM EST]
I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Sep 22, 2014 9:53:15 AM

Time for a fix: if the rebels can overcome the Party leadership

Possible Rules Change Could Punish Boehner Dissidents

"House Republicans are quietly discussing a proposal that could fundamentally alter the way future speakers of the House are chosen, according to multiple GOP sources, with the objective of avoiding a repeat of John Boehner's embarrassing reelection vote in 2013."

"There's a real concern that there's between 30 and 40 people that would vote against the speaker on the House floor, so they're trying to change the conference rules to make sure that doesn't happen," said a GOP member familiar with the proposal."

Did Johnny get his widdle feewings huwt last time?
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