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RNorm

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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 12:35:32 PM

Your thoughts?
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Panama19
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 5:14:41 PM


Norm, "However, Panama is CLEARLY wrong to equate ANYTHING I said to Pilgrim (in any of his reiterations) as being equal to the things he said about my wife and kids"

Nor did I say that. The_Pilgrim was banned and you were not.

Up to that point however, you were giving measure for measure.

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Panama19
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 5:11:10 PM


sgm4law, "Don't worry, I don't expect quid pro quo"

Yet again, my thanks for that too.

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worryfree
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 4:35:05 PM

Teacher- I have advocated before for a minimum number of points before someone could post. That way we could get some gas prices (that's what we are supposed to do here) and the poster would be on for awhile before he could start anything on the boards. Might minimize these weekend kamikaze attacks.

Also I think one of the goals of this person is to get one of us to respond in kind and get banned ourselves- it almost happened to me...

[Edited by: worryfree at 5/22/2013 4:37:19 PM EST]
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 4:19:40 PM

<Your stellar efforts have been duly noted.>

<Again, my thanks.>

Don't worry, I don't expect quid pro quo.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 2:36:12 PM

"Norm, like I said earlier, at times when I see someone going off the deep end, regardless of what side they represent, I just stop reading what they post. P19 may have done the same thing after a while when TAFKAP started getting really rude. I remember that thread but I never saw what he posted either...or I may have but never read it because he was no longer adding to any meaningful discussion."


Perhaps.

However, Panama is CLEARLY wrong to equate ANYTHING I said to Pilgrim (in any of his reiterations) as being equal to the things he said about my wife and kids. No one can ever say I've done that because I haven't; and nothing I've ever posted on here warranted that type of response.

And as long as Panama keeps trying to say it was equal or somehow something I did to bring that on, I will call him out on that because he's wrong as the day is long.
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Panama19
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 2:30:52 PM


sgm4law, "Well, I was trying to be nice to P19. That doesn't come easy, given the approach he takes to any and all liberals"

Your stellar efforts have been duly noted.

Again, my thanks.

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Panama19
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 2:26:51 PM


AFSNCO, "And use the ignore feature. It has done wonders for me with a particular poster and has made me way less confrontational with everyone else"

My pappy used to say that any man that gets into a kicking contest with a mule has already demonstrated which of them is the least intelligent.

He was a wise man.

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Panama19
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 2:22:36 PM


sgm4law, "Thinking most charitably, I thought the atrocious comments about your wife were made at the very end of "TAFKATP's" existence here, so maybe P19 did not get the chance to read them"

Thank you. That's what I told him.

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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 1:59:27 PM

"I believe they were made in a thread that Panama participated in, and since he didn't have his pal on ignore, I'm just surprised, nay, shocked, that he didn't see them (but yet, he's seen every time I've posted the word crap)."

Norm, like I said earlier, at times when I see someone going off the deep end, regardless of what side they represent, I just stop reading what they post. P19 may have done the same thing after a while when TAFKAP started getting really rude. I remember that thread but I never saw what he posted either...or I may have but never read it because he was no longer adding to any meaningful discussion. I will skip right by certain poster's comments. I did that eldiablo when he attacked my military service but now I find him quite enjoyable to discuss things with.
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 1:51:18 PM

Next time he returns (and he will), I will put him on ignore immediately.

"Um, charitably speaking; ok."

Well, I was trying to be nice to P19. That doesn't come easy, given the approach he takes to any and all liberals.
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airfresh
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 12:03:52 PM

<<<Airfresh, relating a tirade by some poster to a bombing of a school is not the same..>>>

I hear ya reb. Not the same.

My point was that the school administrator I'm sure felt unfairly wronged and took it upon himself to respond in a most extreme way. Whoever PB is probably believed in his/her mind he/she was wronged and chose to respond here in the most extreme way possible for GasBuddy.

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RNorm
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 11:42:11 AM

"I thought the atrocious comments about your wife were made at the very end of "TAFKATP's" existence here, so maybe P19 did not get the chance to read them."


I believe they were made in a thread that Panama participated in, and since he didn't have his pal on ignore, I'm just surprised, nay, shocked, that he didn't see them (but yet, he's seen every time I've posted the word crap).

Um, charitably speaking; ok.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 11:41:57 AM

"If another poster is doing nothing but following you around questioning your every point, questioning your motives, bringing up old arguments and getting personal on every topic... you don't have to respond in kind."

And use the ignore feature. It has done wonders for me with a particular poster and has made me way less confrontational with everyone else. I found myself getting drawn into arguments with everybody I disagreed with instead of just having discussions. But the last month plus has been peaceful and enjoyable by using the ignore feature... :-)

Smile...it is HUMP day...
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RNorm
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 11:39:46 AM

"I will now let a dead dog lye and simple thank norm for the great !!!! advice he gave to me it helped and I am truly greatful"


You're most welcome.
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reb4
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 11:22:11 AM

"More like the school administrator who many years ago was fired from his job and returned and bombed the school he was fired from. He may have hurt those he felt wronged by but also hurt many others as well."

Airfresh, relating a tirade by some poster to a bombing of a school is not the same... My 1st response when I saw the poster was that he would not be long for this forum... I later decided to report him to Mods and when saw postings in many forums, decided to just block him to not distract.

I thing Gas Buddy has a good policy, don't try to respond to these posters. Especially when they are "new" posters. THat should be a big clue... Report them and ignore... Definitely don't post and definitely don't repeat their vulgarity... at least that's my 2 cents...
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florida1541
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 11:09:38 AM

sometimes as people we just need to vent .
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florida1541
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 11:08:36 AM

then I,m glad he is gone and does,nt deserve norms time or advice !!!

I will now let a dead dog lye and simple thank norm for the great !!!! advice he gave to me it helped and I am truly greatful
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 11:04:43 AM

Thinking most charitably, I thought the atrocious comments about your wife were made at the very end of "TAFKATP's" existence here, so maybe P19 did not get the chance to read them.

[Edited by: sgm4law at 5/22/2013 11:07:30 AM EST]
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RNorm
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 10:58:07 AM

"Actually, what I said just had to be separated from what others claimed that I said."


Ok, YOU said:


"The previous exchanges between RNorm and The_Pilgrim were also uncalled for, were much milder, and both participated in the insults."

Again, in the entire time I've been on this forum, I have never attacked another poster's wife, children or family as YOUR FRIEND, the Pilgrim (or TAFKATP if you prefer) said about my wife and children (which of course you say you've never seen, even when it was posted right in front of you).

No, what he said was vulgar then, which resulted in his banning and you still were defending him as if he was an innocent angel.

As I said before, at least now I know where you're coming from.

[Edited by: RNorm at 5/22/2013 11:01:26 AM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 10:56:23 AM

"sounds like norm got some of what he gave to me a couple weeks ago sorry o mossed it"

Nope. Big difference...
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Zimcity
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 10:45:19 AM

"Not a proper analogy..."

Stay thirsty my friend...and keep posting as you are one of the few remaining here who takes the time to make reasoned logical arguments and actually seems to listen to others' points of views.

[Edited by: Zimcity at 5/22/2013 10:46:38 AM EST]
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 10:32:04 AM

The political forums can go on. Every once in a while an "idiot" jumps in and insults people.

I have experienced it in my personal life. I just consider the source. IMO those people are of such low self esteem that they feel they need to call others names in order to build themselves up. They, also IMO, no little of what they are talking about. I don't take what they say personally, to me they are just "idiots" worthy of being totally ignored.

This is in no way any excuse for what the offender did. What he did is wrong and very childish.

florida, I have never seen RNorm act the way that the person that verbally attacked him did.

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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 10:23:57 AM

florida, he was critical of your spelling and such but he did not even come close to the stuff that was spewed at him. It was absolutely some of the worst language and stuff I wouldn't use anywhere!
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airfresh
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 10:23:35 AM

<<<reminds me of a few years ago when the bullies at a school in california kept picking on a kid . . . and the kid who was bullied finally lashed out . . . and they (the rest of the world) all sat around talking about how bad the kid was for lashing out. >>>

Not a proper analogy.

More like the school administrator who many years ago was fired from his job and returned and bombed the school he was fired from. He may have hurt those he felt wronged by but also hurt many others as well.

"IF" the tirade was in fact posted by the member formerly known as The_Pilgrim. As much as the circumstantial evidence appears to point that way... this IS the internet after all. Anyone can do anything anonymously. It could very well have been done by someone who hates him as much as he appeared to hate RNorm.

Whoever it was singled out RNorm. And purposefully used language, words and phraseology that was meant to express animosity and hatred toward Norm in a way that was particularly and uniquely despicable and hurtful. Hate is hate and should not be tolerated. Or excused. Or defended.

A word to all of us here... when someone else can't or more specifically refuses to try and understand where we're coming from... let it go and move on. It doesn't take more then a couple posts to see if they are open or confrontational. Whether they are making solid arguments based on facts or baiting and getting personal.

Without making any connections between him and PB... the Pilgrim allowed his anger here to escalate to a point of getting banned. If another poster is doing nothing but following you around questioning your every point, questioning your motives, bringing up old arguments and getting personal on every topic... you don't have to respond in kind. There are plenty of members here who have had a wall put up between them and seem perfectly happy with it. If two people can't find a way to play in this sandbox with mutual respect for each other they don't have a right to stalk each other.

We own our own actions. Whoever posted the tirade over the weekend owns what he/she did and doesn't deserve anyone's respect. Nor does he/she deserve the opportunity to post here any longer.



[Edited by: airfresh at 5/22/2013 10:27:50 AM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 9:46:32 AM

How could I forget? Did he hit you with a surpise left?
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 9:44:01 AM

Did he gnash his teeth and bite the recess lady's breast?
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 9:41:27 AM

"sounds like norm got some of what he gave to me a couple weeks ago sorry o mossed it "

I remember Norm trying to give you some sound advice regarding your housing situation. Talk about biting the hand trying to help you..
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 9:40:41 AM

"reminds me of a few years ago when the bullies at a school in california kept picking on a kid . . . and the kid who was bullied finally lashed out . . . and they (the rest of the world) all sat around talking about how bad the kid was for lashing out."

Nonsensical.
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 9:38:02 AM

reminds me of a few years ago when the bullies at a school in california kept picking on a kid . . . and the kid who was bullied finally lashed out . . . and they (the rest of the world) all sat around talking about how bad the kid was for lashing out.

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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 9:31:08 AM

font of truth was banned sometime back. He was one of the few I had to block from my whiteboard due to some nasty remarks he had left.
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Zimcity
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 9:24:49 AM

This IS the internet and it would be pretty easy for a long-time follower of this forum, to be a viler over the top poseur of any of us for a long unmoderated weekend.

That said there does seem to be quite a bit of circumstantial evidence that this troll was just another lame attempt by the same person to disrupt the forum. I agree with panama19, that we should have ignored him from the start, but not that he wasn't the same person as the banned member.

The only people who know for sure are the site owners, if they can trace his IP addresses used.

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florida1541
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 9:14:52 AM

oh ! the missed spelling was intentional this tome ( just a reminder )
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florida1541
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 9:12:17 AM

sounds like norm got some of what he gave to me a couple weeks ago sorry o mossed it
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Panama19
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 8:52:12 AM


btc1, "I knew you had it in you, it just had to be drug out"

Actually, what I said just had to be separated from what others claimed that I said.

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Panama19
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 8:49:11 AM


AFSNCO, "I am going to back RNorm on this one and the only thing that I agree with is that none of us should have given him even the time of day"

Agreed. And I did not engage him for that very reason. It was obvious what game he was playing and no one should have given him the attention he was obviously seeking.

"But nobody, regardless of how much you agree or disagree with someone should have to endure what was aimed at Norm this weekend"

Agreed.

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btc1
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 8:47:25 AM

AF, you are right.

Pan, thank you. I knew you had it in you, it just had to be drug out.
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Panama19
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 8:45:14 AM


btc1, "The very idea that those remarks were said in the first place should be enough for you to be disgusted with the issuer. But you seem not to be"

Are you talking about the exchanges between RNorm and The_Pilgrim or the ones between RNorm and John_Bunyon?

The latter were certainly disgusting and gratuitous - RNorm did nothing to encourage or to bring them on and J_B should have been shut down for cause much sooner than he was.

The previous exchanges between RNorm and The_Pilgrim were also uncalled for, were much milder, and both participated in the insults.

No personal insults should ever be made or countenanced in my opinion, and they eventually escalate into banning one or both of the participants as a rule.

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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 8:35:09 AM

I am going to back RNorm on this one and the only thing that I agree with is that none of us should have given him even the time of day. Next time I will just report him and hit ignore. But nobody, regardless of how much you agree or disagree with someone should have to endure what was aimed at Norm this weekend.
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btc1
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 8:25:55 AM

Pan, who elicited the response from RNorm?

The very idea that those remarks were said in the first place should be enough for you to be disgusted with the issuer. But you seem not to be.

[Edited by: btc1 at 5/22/2013 8:27:07 AM EST]
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 8:17:48 AM

Wonder if it's time to revisit the "minimum points earned to post in the Forum" idea again? Not that it would stop someone determined to be a basspole, but it would at least slow them a bit.
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Panama19
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 8:15:51 AM


RNorm, "That you can sit there and try to justify such behavior by saying it was my 'snarkyness' that warranted it is pathetic as was the posts that resulted in YOUR FRIEND's banning..."

I'm not justifying either his OR your flinging of personal insults at one another.

I just said that you gave as good as you got.

Neither is justified, IMHO.

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btc1
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 7:56:16 AM

Nothing really, PP. Just a bunch of manure.
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 6:24:41 AM

Lol!
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 6:13:12 AM

OK????
What did I miss over the weekend?
I had to work a show all weekend & did not see a computer till late Monday Night????
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 5:27:55 AM

>" I blocked font of truth some time back because of filth on my whiteboard, that I also forwarded to the moderators."

And what did the moderators do? Nothing? You have the power to moderate your own whiteboard. Note that there's no "report abuse" button. If you complain, the moderator will likely tell you to block the person. Why should they get caught up in the drama? They have enough to do.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 2:15:55 AM

"As I recall, you gave as much snarkiness as you got."


The fact that you defend what he's done lets me know where you stand. The fact that you marginalize such depraved behavior as snarkiness, says a great deal about you and how you excuse pathetic behavior when done by conservatives.

There is nothing that is said on these boards, by me or anyone else, that warrants the racial slurs and other insults that YOUR FRIEND hurled against me and my wife and children.

That you can sit there and try to justify such behavior by saying it was my "snarkyness" that warranted it is pathetic as was the posts that resulted in YOUR FRIEND's banning...

SMH..well at least now I know where you're coming from and why you were so silent when all that was happening...

[Edited by: RNorm at 5/22/2013 2:19:22 AM EST]
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 1:41:41 AM

I blocked A1 because of personal insults placed on my whiteboard. I block few people.
I blocked font of truth some time back because of filth on my whiteboard, that I also forwarded to the moderators.
I don't remember blocking anybody else.
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Panama19
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 12:19:55 AM


RNorm, "Well, he never called your wife names, your kids names, you a racial slur, insulted your family and your race...Whatever, dude. *major snarkiness*"

As I recall, you gave as much snarkiness as you got.

There are better ways of handling disagreements than by engaging in personal attacks - on either side.


[Edited by: Panama19 at 5/22/2013 12:25:33 AM EST]
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Panama19
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 12:14:35 AM


btc1, "Pan, all the clues from his past iterations were there. I thought you knew him fairly well. I seem to remember your conversations with him as The Pilgrim and TAFKAPT, to be quite often for those tenures"

I know that The_Pilgrim and TAFKATP were the same - he said so himself (The Author Formerly Known As The_Pilgrim).

The connection that I doubt is that The_Pilgrim came back as John_Bunyon, as some here have charged.

J_B was unhinged. The_Pilgrim was not from what I saw, although he did allow himself to be drawn into making personal attacks by opponents that were every bit as provocative as he was. And he was banned for those outbursts.

Liberals hated The_Pilgrim's point of view, but that does not make his opinions hate speech as some here are trying to assert.

I have no idea who J_B was, but he was clearly just out to insult as many people as possible before they pulled the plug on him.

We have had a few loose cannons like that here from time to time but their tenure is mercifully short.


[Edited by: Panama19 at 5/22/2013 12:16:26 AM EST]
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Message Posted: May 21, 2013 9:50:39 PM

Ropegun, we used to call him "steak sauce".

I think it's a sin to ruin a good steak by putting A1 on it.
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