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sgm4law

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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 11:03:23 AM

As represented here by Darrell Issa.
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: May 24, 2013 8:32:49 AM

gocatgo, " Unemployment was a pre existing problem before Obamacare."

And Obama, after 4 years STILL hasn't been able to fix it (even after focusing on it like a laser beam)!
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: May 24, 2013 8:27:03 AM

News:
Holder OK'd search warrant for Fox News reporter's private emails, official says

"Holder previously said he recused himself from the AP subpoena because he had been questioned as a witness in the underlying investigation into a leak about a foiled bomb plot in Yemen. His role in personally approving the Rosen search warrant had not been previously reported."

Let me know if Holder ever says the truth about anything.
He could say today that the sky is blue and I wouldn't believe him.
As the saying goes, "The truth ain't in him"
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EZExit
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Message Posted: May 19, 2013 4:44:09 PM

What is the difference between taking the fifth and answering every question with "I don't know"? In both non-responsive responses you are stone-walling any cooperation, to avoid incriminating yourself.

He decided to take the Sgt. Schultz method over the fifth amendment standard, but I think I know why. This administration has shown a strong disdain over the constitution, and probably wants to avoid using it at all costs.

If Holder is speaking the truth when answering questions about the office he manages with "I don't know", than it would appear that the defense for Holder's involvement in the white house scandals are an admission to complete incompetency. I guess that this is possible, for all we know, Holder could simply be a patsy strictly controlled by Obama. But hopefully, if they evade, deny, and double talk long enough, perhaps all of the scams they have going will simply be forgotten.

[Edited by: EZExit at 5/19/2013 4:45:08 PM EST]
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AC-302
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Message Posted: May 19, 2013 4:12:57 PM

Topic: Holder speaks truth to the Idiocracy

--sgm - no, I think Holder speaks a whole lot of LIES to the idiocracy that is our Congress. What about Fast and Furious? What about the death of that ICE agent? And what about the AP phone tap? No, Holder is a liar, and I'll say it again - OUR ATTORNEY GENERAL, ERIC HOLDER IS A BOLD FACED LIAR. And are you going to continue to defend him? Or is it that you don't like Issa because he's a Republican trying to get the truth out of the liar that "beloved Obama" appointed? Shall I tell you what I really think?
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Message Posted: May 19, 2013 4:10:06 PM

RNorm said: "With the GOP on their 37th vote to repeal Obamacare, that shows you their priorities and speaks for itself."

--Perhaps they're taking a page out of the Democrat playbook? Just keep reintroducing the same bill, same idea, (sometimes exact same wording) over and over again until it passes. We were talking about socialized medicine back under Eisenhower. It only took 60 years to get it through. And make no mistake, this is the FIRST STEP towards single payer, socialized medicine.
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: May 17, 2013 10:55:39 AM

Eze, "if ignorance is bliss Mr Holder must be the happiest man in the world". Actually that blissful title is held by Mitt Romney the day before the election, Lol.

jes, "Obomacare is hurting employment" is a cute line for con losers until you look back to the days before Obamacare. Unemployment was a pre existing problem before Obamacare.
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: May 17, 2013 8:28:14 AM

Seems to make sense to me, RNorm. Obamacare is a farce created by health care organizations and insurance companiies to increase their profits. Most Americans realize this already, or will in the near future as it is implemented and WANT IT REPEALED. It will only result is WORSE health care, fewer doctors, and increased cost and wait times. Why do you think only 15 states have set up Exchanges?

[Edited by: teacher_tim at 5/17/2013 8:30:32 AM EST]
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RNorm
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Message Posted: May 17, 2013 8:17:47 AM

"Oh, such fearmongering!"


With the GOP on their 37th vote to repeal Obamacare, that shows you their priorities and speaks for itself.
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Message Posted: May 17, 2013 6:57:53 AM

RNorm said: "if the right had its way, there would be no social security, no medicare, no assistance for the poor, no pell grants, no anything for people trying to get ahead, but every break in the world for the rich and a zillion votes to repeal Obamacare..."

Oh, such fearmongering!

First of all, your beloved Obozo administration has been the worst thing for poor people and has only made rich people richer.

His blockage of the Keystone pipeline has helped Warren Buffett turn an even bigger profit out of his railroads. There aren't too many people in the country richer than Warren, are there?

His piling on of SIX TRILLION DOLLARS in debt has only hurt the nation and cost jobs.

ObozoCare is hurting employment, with employers cutting back on hours or eliminating full-time positions, not to mention making healthcare MORE expensive, definitely NOT more affordable.

Of course, there's the whole idiotic manipulation of the housing finance industry, caused primarily by Democrats and resulting in millions of people across the nation losing their homes and/or their jobs. All in the name of Dumbocrats supposedly wanting to "help" underclass people to become homeowners. Sheesh, we don't need the kind of help that causes the country to collapse.

Then there's all the tax money spent on Obozo's boondoggles - green energy, high-speed rail, etc. That money went straight down the rathole into someone's pocket. Those "someones" certainly weren't from South Central L.A., were they?

We have AlGoracle profiting quite handily from his ventures into duping the public about green energy.

I guess it's easy to say the Republicans are for the rich and the Dumbocrats are for the poor if you just conveniently discard the overwhelming evidence that proves otherwise.
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: May 17, 2013 12:08:30 AM

"Seems like Holder's M.O. is to tell lies, and then when he gets called on them he plays the race card."

Are you aware that saying that someone played the race card does not actually mean they played the race card? Just checking.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 11:59:19 PM

Seems like Holder's M.O. is to tell lies, and then when he gets called on them he plays the race card.


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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 7:51:24 PM

sgm4law, did Holder "speak the truth" regarding Fast and Furious or did he hide behind the president?
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RNorm
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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 4:12:25 PM

"are we going to do this in 2016 when the con,s take control of all three branches or do we come together and try to fix it I have no don,t we can continue to point out b,o mistakes for the next 8 but it wont help you and I come up with solutions"


Because, based on your posts, you're only looking for "solutions" that come from the right.

So again, as I said before, since I don't agree with you, I deserve credit for nothing.

No surprise there.
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florida1541
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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 3:58:39 PM

I think we have to stay with what works holding the boss accountable and vet these people better not along party lines, he appointed them that makes him responable right ?
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florida1541
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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 3:54:33 PM

that is not true we can go back to the beginning if you want George chopped down the tree Richard had a enemies list bill got his willy wanked George did,nt find wmd are we going to do this in 2016 when the con,s take control of all three branches or do we come together and try to fix it I have no don,t we can continue to point out b,o mistakes for the next 8 but it wont help you and I come up with solutions
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 3:48:51 PM

the truth is holder is telling the truth. how exactly do you know this, because he says so? holder, says he doesn't know anything, just like carney, and Obama, say they don't know anything, and obamniacs instantly say see they can't be lieing, because they don't know anything about what happened. BULL.
From Obama on down, they have been caught in lie after lie, and now, there are also those on the left calling them on it, and they are in a frenzy trying to cover their sorry butts.

You can cry, and whine all you want about how republicans want one thing, to destroy Obama, no, we want the truth, period. Obama is doing a fine job of destroying himself, he doesn't need any help from anyone.



[Edited by: noseatbelt at 5/16/2013 3:52:39 PM EST]
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RNorm
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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 3:44:07 PM

"norm I,m sorry that I was not more clear my point was,nt for you personally it was for anyone (regardless of the letter after their name ) that is,nt straight forward in what they wish to pass on to the next generation as holder we have to get to the bottom of fast and furious but three years later and still no accountability or b,o with the most transparent adminastrasion we have to stand for something or we will fall for anything and right now we are in a free fall"


Lets see, you're saying that your position doesn't changed based on the politics involved...but yet when people show you the other party did the exact same thing, you say "its all in the past; the past don't matter and you don't want to hear about it."

Man please.
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florida1541
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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 3:33:53 PM

it is not my intension to attack anyone we all have a right to beleave what we chose I,m just not for blaming others for everything
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florida1541
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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 3:31:58 PM

norm I,m sorry that I was not more clear my point was,nt for you personally it was for anyone (regardless of the letter after their name ) that is,nt straight forward in what they wish to pass on to the next generation as holder we have to get to the bottom of fast and furious but three years later and still no accountability or b,o with the most transparent adminastrasion we have to stand for something or we will fall for anything and right now we are in a free fall
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RNorm
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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 3:14:06 PM

"What you don't seem to get is that you are a peon, too."



LOL, the mirror must be broken, so that's why he missed that fact.

*ROTFL*
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RNorm
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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 3:13:03 PM

"Norm sorry once again I gave you more credit than you deserve/"

Translation = Since you don't agree with me, you deserve credit for nothing.

Gotcha.







"norm the break is get a job and pay your own way and stop expecting others to give you what they worked for"

Dude, how can you sit here looking down on people trying to get ahead and asking for a break...but then you get all up in a tizzy when people don't give you that same break you refuse to give to others and point out to you errors in spelling and grammar???

What a nice double standard you got going there...
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btc1
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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 2:27:46 PM

florida1541, to an extent, I could agree with you IF you are referring to individuals.

Unfortunately, in this day and age, it is all to often, that corporations are on the public dole and still making huge profits.

Now back to our ISSA/HOLDER show....

The truth is Holder is speaking the truth and ISSA is just putting on the dog and pony show to keep the GOP fearmongering going. Issa is leading the charge to create fear of the Democratic party for 2014 and 2016. And Holder is playing to it.

We need serious Independent candidates to avoid this ridiculous loss of American political process. Ones that can capture the American voting public.

[Edited by: btc1 at 5/16/2013 2:29:15 PM EST]
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florida1541
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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 2:13:49 PM

norm the break is get a job and pay your own way and stop expecting others to give you what they worked for
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 1:42:49 PM

"Like stupid, you can't fix peons."

What you don't seem to get is that you are a peon, too.
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EZExit
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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 12:48:28 PM

If ignorance is bliss, than Holder must be the happiest person in the world.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 12:38:57 PM

"Because no matter how much help is given it is never enough."


That is why corporate welfare to companies making record profits never goes away...

Thank you for clearing that up.
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 12:33:17 PM

Mr Issa represented the angry white man quite well when being castigated by Mr Holder. Bullies don't like being talked back to when they are trying to be dismissive.
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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 12:26:01 PM

SGM don't you think your last post is every bit as 'over the top' as anything that has come out of the vast right wing conspiracy?

If you wish to discuss things rationally it takes two parties.

The facts are coming out that Obama is not taking responsibility for doing his job. Neither are some of the people he personally appointed to fill important jobs.

The scandals are real enough. Agencies under his control (or they should be under his control) have used their power in what seems like an illegal manner. They have subverted the powers they have for political points.

That is not acceptable regardless of what letter happens to be behind the name of the person who is supposed to be responsible.
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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 12:22:42 PM

Oh look, circling the wagons has begun! Enough they say! You wanted this all along because you hate Obama!

No, we despise what he has done to us -- fair enough?

Obama self imploded himself, and I wish for him to enjoy his zero credibility status until his term ends -- he deserves what he created!

This is what is suppose to happen when you insert dishonest people into government -- who brings dishonest friends.

They think they can get away with anything until one day they get exposed.

Every single Obama appointee carries out the Obama way -- so he can claim he knows nothing.

This is how organized crime works. CIRCLE THE WAGONS!

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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 12:20:47 PM

Dang sgm4law, you finally got it right. Like stupid, you can't fix peons. Because no matter how much help is given it is never enough.
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 12:16:36 PM

"And if the right had its way, there would be no social security, no medicare, no assistance for the poor, no pell grants, no anything for people trying to get ahead, but every break in the world for the rich and a zillion votes to repeal Obamacare..."

So much for us peons to look forward to!
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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 12:15:44 PM

"Perhaps with you guys all saying the right has been crying wolf the entire time will finally see the wolf as it devours our entire flock since our president is finally being seen for what he is...a campaigner in chief."


And if the right had its way, there would be no social security, no medicare, no assistance for the poor, no pell grants, no anything for people trying to get ahead, but every break in the world for the rich and a zillion votes to repeal Obamacare...

Um, thanks but no thanks.
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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 12:07:49 PM

zim: "In some regards, I DO feel he has let us all down, with the amount of questionable activities going on under him."

Don't you think that he should be more in touch and not finding this stuff out AFTER the press releases it? Perhaps with you guys all saying the right has been crying wolf the entire time will finally see the wolf as it devours our entire flock since our president is finally being seen for what he is...a campaigner in chief. He has led nothing and when the others have been let lose to do what they want they have shown to be fraudulent. So who takes the responsibility for these appointments? I am sure Obama will try to dodge those also...this is a no responsibility presidency and finally the press is getting after him.
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 11:57:54 AM

"In some regards, I DO feel he has let us all down, with the amount of questionable activities going on under him. I would like to see him stand up and answer some of the harder questions and act more Presidential. But at the same time, I think MOST of the hand wringing by the right is overwrought and simply political."

So true! But be careful, now you can be described the way the Chris Matthews thread describes him. Any expression less than glowing means you are jumping on their bandwagon, apparently. :)
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 11:52:56 AM

As mudtoe so eloquently described, Self-Immolation

Gives us a nice warm feeling...................................
..............Chris Matthewsnot so much.....
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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 11:46:20 AM

sgm: "Some of them don't care about the facts of the matters, they just want to see Obama go down in flames--but they have wanted that the whole time the man has been president, and they always will."


It's even more satisfying when Obama chops the wood himself, carries it to the bonfire, piles it on, and then jumps into the flames all by himself. :)



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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 11:45:54 AM

"are you two joking the stuff that has been happening is acceptable to the two of you , you are not outraged ? you still support this guy ? norm sorry once again I gave you more credit than you deserve/"

No, they aren't joking and most of us in the real world have for four years, wondered how the right could continue their never ending witch hunts to discredit Obama. There has always been a cry of SCANDAL from the right wing propaganda-entertainment machine, with little regard for journalistic integrity or truth.

It has reached a frenzied frothy tipping point now; where, due to Obama ducking and dodging everything that has been thrown at him, we are seeing a multiple-pronged attack on his Presidency which will effectively neuter any policy he wants to implement over the next 4 years, as he back peddles and tries to defend his administration.

In some regards, I DO feel he has let us all down, with the amount of questionable activities going on under him. I would like to see him stand up and answer some of the harder questions and act more Presidential. But at the same time, I think MOST of the hand wringing by the right is overwrought and simply political.


[Edited by: Zimcity at 5/16/2013 11:49:59 AM EST]
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florida1541
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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 11:32:26 AM

are you two joking the stuff that has been happening is acceptable to the two of you , you are not outraged ? you still support this guy ? norm sorry once again I gave you more credit than you deserve/
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RNorm
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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 11:24:48 AM

"I feel like doing the same thing on here with all the faux outrage about the Obama Administration. "


But the outrage is real.

They can't stand that Obama was elected and are besides themselves that he was re-elected...and to add insult to injury, the country hasn't been destroyed (like some of them had and are still hoping for)...

SMH
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 11:18:56 AM

I feel like doing the same thing on here with all the faux outrage about the Obama Administration. The glee is transparent.

Some of them don't care about the facts of the matters, they just want to see Obama go down in flames--but they have wanted that the whole time the man has been president, and they always will.
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Message Posted: May 16, 2013 11:15:42 AM

Wow! Doubling down on the it wasn't me lack of accountability line.

Guessing this thread will be torched by the "Idiocracy".

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