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mudtoe

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Message Posted: May 10, 2013 1:47:04 PM

IRS Admits Targeting Conservative Groups

From the article:

"The Internal Revenue Service inappropriately flagged conservative political groups for additional reviews during the 2012 election to see if they were violating their tax-exempt status, a top IRS official said Friday.

Organizations were singled out because they included the words "tea party" or "patriot" in their applications for tax-exempt status, said Lois Lerner, who heads the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt groups."

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Many conservative groups complained during the election that they were being harassed by the IRS. They accused the agency of frustrating their attempts to become tax exempt by sending them lengthy, intrusive questionnaires.

The forms, which the groups made available at the time, sought information about group members' political activities, including details of their postings on social networking websites and about family members.


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The IRS claimed that this was done by "low level" employees, and that there was no political motivation, or involvement by higher ups. Yea, right! Just by random chance some low level hourly employees got to work one morning and on a whim decided to randomly target certain non-profits, all of which just happened to be conservative, without any input or direction from their boss. But hey, there was no political motivation here and no higher ups knew about it. And just by chance their ultimate boss, Obama, was running for re-election, and just by even more random chance the groups they targeted were opposed to their boss. It's all just a series of wonderful coincidences here, that weren't orchestrated by anybody, no sir. Nothing to see here folks, it's just business at usual. Maybe these same people were the ones who on a whim changed the Benghazi talking points.


mudtoe


P.S. These same people will now have access to all your health information, and I'm sure that no health secrets about their bosses' political opponents will ever be leaked; nah, can't happen.





[Edited by: mudtoe at 5/10/2013 1:49:21 PM EST]
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btc1
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2014 2:38:24 PM

Good Luck with that deduction too! ;-)
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2014 2:27:10 PM

"Can you say both?"

Only if one has a higher opinion of one's self than is warranted.

Sounds like simple incompetence to me which is no surprise given how bloated the IRS is due to having to deal with an unnecessarily complex and overly-complicated tax code made even more-so by the Citizen's United ruling...

Best of luck dealing with that EZ, nobody should have to go through what you are experiencing in this day in age of technology and digitization.

[Edited by: Weaslespit at 12/15/2014 2:28:14 PM EST]
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2014 10:41:06 AM

The IRS's message to me this morning, is to ignore the letters for now, but if they keep coming next month, to return with all of my supporting documentation again. They still maintain that they can't fix this, but perhaps it will fix itself. I told them that they would find any required return of my presence would be quite unpleasant for them as well...

I also plan to add my time and energy towards resolving this as a future deductible cost for tax preparation expenditure <evil grin>.

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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2014 10:14:10 PM

>This is either harassing a conservative, or government incompetence, you make the call!<

Can you say both?
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btc1
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2014 7:04:47 PM

EZE, ? Ask where you can send a certified copy of the cancelled check to end this. I have never in twenty years heard of a "different software" problem. Not saying that is not what they are telling you. But, someone is not following through on this. I have never said they are not lazy there.

Everything is on the same "server".
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2014 2:37:27 PM

EZ: "This is either harassing a conservative, or government incompetence, you make the call! "


That check you wrote to the Tea Party in 2012 is coming back to bite you. Either that, or Lois Lerner, now that she has plenty of time on her hands, trolls this forum and still has plenty of friends at the IRS willing to do her a favor and punish people she doesn't like.



mudtoe

[Edited by: mudtoe at 12/14/2014 2:40:00 PM EST]
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2014 2:26:04 PM

I have to wonder if I have been outed, I received a notice of failure to pay my taxes, with accompanying interest and fines. I have a cancelled check from the timely and fully paid payment that I had made. They tell me that the payment indeed posted to my account right away, but they are still waiting for it to be "credited to my account". Furthermore, their collection department showing me in arrears differs from their revenue department showing me as current. Neither can fix this, as both of these departments "utilize different software".

This is either harassing a conservative, or government incompetence, you make the call!
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2014 11:00:38 PM

Fast and Furious was investigated by the DOJ. Nothing was found
DOJ wire tapping was investigated by the DOJ. They say they wont do it again.
Why should we believe that they will find anything when they are investigating there partner in the IRS scandal.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2014 4:07:43 PM

Unfortunately we are not likely to get to the bottom of this until after Bozo is no longer President. As the DOJ is now in essence an accomplice to this wrongdoing, a special prosecutor is needed more than ever.


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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2014 12:33:42 PM

Obama Justice Department Was Involved In IRS Targeting, Lerner Emails Reveal
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12/10/2014 @ 7:57PM
Sadly, the 18 month investigation into the IRS targeting of conservative groups isn’t over, and it may be worse than anyone thought. A federal judge has broken loose more emails that the DOJ had surely hoped would never surface. The picture it reveals isn’t pretty. The documents prove that Lois Lerner met with DOJ’s Election Crimes Division a month before the 2010 elections.

It has to be embarrassing to the DOJ, which may not be the most impartial one to be investigating the IRS. In fact, the DOJ withheld over 800 pages of Lerner documents citing “taxpayer privacy” and “deliberative privilege.” Yet these internal DOJ documents show Ms. Lerner was talking to DOJ officials about prosecuting tax-exempt entities (yes, criminally!) two years before the IRS conceded there was inappropriate targeting.==============click the link to read more
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2014 9:15:14 AM

Imagine that.
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theTower
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2014 5:59:28 AM

30k worth of emails?
That's a big Twinkie.

I doubt I have sent that many my whole life.
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2014 5:54:05 AM

We'll see how long it will take for those emails to come out and be made public.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2014 6:26:42 PM

Just heard that up to 30,000 Lois Lerner emails from 2009-2011 have been recovered from "disaster recovery tapes". So much for the repeated IRS lies that those emails were lost forever. I hope whoever is in possession of those tapes has some private, non-government, security firms protecting them, lest a fire or something break out and destroy them.

Investigators may have found up to 30K Lois Lerner emails


mudtoe

[Edited by: mudtoe at 11/21/2014 6:28:39 PM EST]
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mweyant
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IRS is monitoring comment threads on conservative blogs

11-20-14

"In a federal FOIA lawsuit by Judicial Watch seeking records of Lerner emails and IRS efforts to retrieve the emails, the IRS used two of the comments to the Legal Insurrection Reader Poll post to justify the IRS no longer disclosing the identities of IRS personnel."

from a blog from American Thinker
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2014 2:41:22 AM

A chance to get to the bottom of the IRS scandals

11-12-14

This article is from Powerline's blog.

"The stage is thus set for expanding the inquiry into unexplored areas of IRS misconduct. [Attorney Cleta] Mitchell identifies them:• The full extent of targeting of taxpayers with personal and business audits based on their contributions to and involvement with conservative political candidates and organizations.

• The IRS seizure of taxpayer assets and bank accounts without due process, as has been widely reported in recent weeks.

• The illegal disclosure of confidential taxpayer information to the media, to other federal agencies and to state and local partisan political officials, as we saw in the cases of the National Organization for Marriage, Koch Industries, the Texas Public Policy Council, and the Republican Governors Association Public Policy Council, among others.

• The true story of how Catherine Engelbrecht, the founder of True the Vote, came to be audited and subjected to government attacks by multiple federal agencies after founding two conservative organizations in Houston."
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Message Posted: Nov 4, 2014 4:14:11 AM

Jeanne Shaheen helped lead charge to have IRS attack 501(c)(4) groups

11-3-14

"It has long been known that Democratic Senators pushed for the regs. The name most closely associated with this quest has been Chuck Schumer, who no doubt appreciates the publicity. Shaheen was one of five additional Senators who signed a letter to the IRS calling on it to “immediately change the administrative framework for enforcement of the tax code as it applies to groups designated as ‘social welfare’ organizations.” '

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EZExit
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175: <<<""Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said Justice Department lawyers informed him that the federal government keeps a back-up copy of every email and record in the event of a government-wide catastrophe.

The back-up system includes the IRS emails, too."

Fire up the printers and get the subpoenas ready !!!">>>

--Not so fast, sparky, the DOJ is also controlled by the same clowns that have had no problem in protecting at all costs the Obama administration from facing accountability in other scandals. What makes you think the IRS scandal would be any different for them?
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 12:40:24 PM

Lois Lerner's emails aren't missing after all, lawyers say

"Government lawyers have told a watchdog group suing over the Internal Revenue Service scandal that Lois Lerner’s emails aren’t missing after all."

"The IRS told Congress that thousands of Lerner’s emails sent prior to 2011 were hopelessly lost thanks to a hard drive crash that left the data unrecoverable. A back-up system, they said, had also been erased."

"Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said Justice Department lawyers informed him that the federal government keeps a back-up copy of every email and record in the event of a government-wide catastrophe.

The back-up system includes the IRS emails, too."

Fire up the printers and get the subpoenas ready !!!!



[Edited by: I75at7AM at 10/29/2014 12:44:11 PM EST]
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Weaslespit
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"So it was OK when your side got to outspend your opponents because your opponents were legally prevented from competing, but it's not OK when your opponents, now playing under the exact same rules as your side, end up outspending you under equal rules. Got it."

Seems like 'all' organizations, like the NRA, have always been able to help 'their side' compete....

Convenient amnesia?
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 12:43:52 PM

tt: "I think there just may be... "



I'm sure that businesses like Ben & Jerry's and Solyndra make (or made) copious political donations, and that none of those donations went to Republicans. Of course maybe btc1 is smart enough not to count Solyndra because he realizes that Solyndra's donations didn't count because they were really donating government money as opposed to their own, and therefore said donations must be categorized as kickbacks rather than actual donations.


mudtoe

[Edited by: mudtoe at 10/23/2014 12:45:50 PM EST]
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 8:27:32 AM

WHAT?! There are NO liberal corporate donors?!

I think there just may be...
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 3:03:03 PM

btc: "Still the unprecedented money now spent by corporate entities is grossly over the top compared to what the unions used to provide."



So it was OK when your side got to outspend your opponents because your opponents were legally prevented from competing, but it's not OK when your opponents, now playing under the exact same rules as your side, end up outspending you under equal rules. Got it.



mudtoe


[Edited by: mudtoe at 10/22/2014 3:07:38 PM EST]
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btc1
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 2:28:48 PM

mudtoe, "Union money was always considered free speech, and the left never ever had a problem with that. " I did not support more than get out the vote and enabling voter registration when I was a union supporter/worker. I did not like unions giving money to candidates anymore than you do. I went head to head with Wade Rathke in New Orleans over his promotion of Socialism for the US government. Your interpretation of socialism is still different than mine. Rathke wanted to abolish Capitalism. I will never support that. And Obama is not supporting that, either.

Still the unprecedented money now spent by corporate entities is grossly over the top compared to what the unions used to provide.

[Edited by: btc1 at 10/22/2014 2:30:34 PM EST]
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mudtoe
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btc: "Money has never been considered free speech, UNTIL the Citizens United case came along. "


Union money was always considered free speech, and the left never ever had a problem with that. Citizens United simply leveled the playing field and allowed the left's opponents to play under the same rules that unions had enjoyed for decades, which of course is why the hypocrites on the left now think it's not fair.


mudtoe

[Edited by: mudtoe at 10/22/2014 2:21:42 PM EST]
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 2:17:02 PM

As long as it was CONSERVATIVE money/free speech.

THAT is what Obama's IRS with Lerner was seeking to enforce.
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btc1
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 1:55:06 PM

Money has never been considered free speech, UNTIL the Citizens United case came along. Money is not free speech and that is unconstitutional to think it is. Example: Poll Tax. Money only interferes with free speech. Money is not a voice of corporations. The founding fathers railed against the corporations in founding this country. It was never intended for them to have a voice.

But money and corporations bought the decision from the Supreme Court. That has to stop.

That is what the IRS was seeking to enforce.

[Edited by: btc1 at 10/22/2014 1:56:45 PM EST]
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teacher_tim
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I wonder if this will resume after the midterms?
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mudtoe
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I'll bet she's angling for a pardon from Bozo on his last day in office. That's the only thing that will save her from eventual prosecution and prison.


mudtoe
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I wonder how many more interviews she will do. This comment from the Roth & Co Tax Update blog sums it up: "it might get her some good press from outlets inclined to dismiss the scandal."
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WOW!

Lois Lerner compares herself to Jeffrey Dahmer!

SMH

That alone is enough reason to convict her a execute her.

ROTFL

Dahmer killed and ATE young men! Dahmer DRILLED holes in the skulls of young men while they were alive hoping to turn them into zombies!

And Lois Lerner compares herself to Jeffrey Dahmer!

She is just an avowed progressive liberal so it may be that she is like Jeffrey Dahmer!

SMH

Lois Lerner Compares Herself To Jeffrey Dahmer

Remember this when you vote in November.

Do NOT vote for any progressives or liberals.

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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Sep 22, 2014 11:08:04 AM

I75: "Riiiiiight, Lois......that's why you took the fifth on all those many pointed questions asked of you when you were under oath."


She's a soiled liberal partisan who got caught using her position in the IRS to punish her political enemies in defiance of the law.



mudtoe

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Weaslespit: "That is 'exactly' what the Citizen's United ruling did. It took a black-and-white law and made it incredibly vague and open for interpretation - dangerous at that level."

No, it took a patently unconstitutional law limiting free speech, and struck it down. Liberals have their panties in a wad about it, because they wanted limits on spending for corporations but not unions and their own PACs.

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Message Posted: Sep 22, 2014 10:16:47 AM

Exclusive: Lois Lerner breaks silence

"“I didn’t do anything wrong,” Lerner said in her first press interview since the scandal broke 16 months ago. “I’m proud of my career and the job I did for this country.”

Riiiiiight, Lois......that's why you took the fifth on all those many pointed questions asked of you when you were under oath.
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 10:51:26 AM

The Supreme Court's ruling in Citizens United v. FEC essentially held that spending money on election ads is a form of free speech, and thus there's little Congress can do to limit it. In contrast, direct donations to political candidates could remain regulated and restricted. This created an incentive for moneyed groups and individuals to affect elections by spending on their own election ads rather than donating to candidates or parties.
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 10:39:59 AM

"Interesting - not even the government can follow the law? Does that mean the laws are so complex that not even the government understands them?"

That is 'exactly' what the Citizen's United ruling did. It took a black-and-white law and made it incredibly vague and open for interpretation - dangerous at that level.
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Another indication that the Democrats are up to their eyeballs in illegal activities. These democrats seem to go way the heck up the food chain. When will the WH be implicated?
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>>>An aide to the attorney general accidentally calls the office of the House Oversight Committee chairman, asking for help in spinning the defense of the agency whose head just said they obey the law when they can.

We have commented many times of the all-too-cozy relationship between the IRS and Democratic members of the House and Senate, with members writing to the agency demanding that specific conservative groups and political action committees they find particularly irritating be subject to the "special scrutiny" that the Tea Party and other conservative and religious groups were subjected to in the ongoing scandal.

Of particular interest to us has been Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., ranking member on Rep. Darrell Issa's House Government Reform and Oversight Committee, who has made every effort to keep the committee from finding out the true extent of IRS corruption and abuse of power in its targeting of conservatives.

As we've noted, emails released by Issa, a California Republican, show that Cummings' Democratic staff had requested information from the IRS' tax-exempt division, the one headed by Lois Lerner, on True the Vote, a conservative group that monitors polling places for voter fraud and supports the use of voter IDs, something that Cummings opposes.

"The IRS and the Oversight Minority made numerous requests for virtually identical information from True the Vote, raising concerns that the IRS improperly shared, protected taxpayer information with Rep. Cummings' staff," the Oversight panel said in a statement.

According to Issa, Cummings and his staff sought "copies of all training materials used for volunteers, affiliates or other entities" from True the Vote.

Five days later, True the Vote received an almost identical request for information from the IRS.

As we reported, Holly Paz, the deputy of Lois Lerner who headed the IRS division handling tax-exempt organizations, had forwarded True the Vote's 990 forms (on which nonprofit groups report their financial information) to Cummings' staff.

Now we have Brian Fallon, a former aide to New York Democratic Sen. Chuck Schumer and a communications aide to Attorney General Eric Holder, who mistakenly called Issa's office thinking it was the office of Cummings and asked for help in leaking documents to selected reporters for the purpose of creating media spin before Issa and his committee could make them public.<<<

Yep Mr. Cummings will keep on trying to sabotage the investigation - because if he doesnt he might spend time in jail it seems.....

Democrat -- dishonest - but I repeat myself.....
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"Hey, it almost worked for Nixon."

Yes, but in this case everybody that was emailed from Lerner seems to have gotten a computer virus and their computers have been crashing. Amazing coincidence! And then of course it sound like Lerner was in the bathroom at church and dropped her phone in the toilet (made up but funnier than her just destroying her phone to destroy evidence).
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Weaslespit: "And of course, you have facts to prove this - or is this just another baseless assertion in a long line of baseless assertions?"

It's always amusing when liberals try to use big words and long sentences in a vain attempt to look intelligent.

*ROTFL*
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2014 10:41:40 AM

Interesting - not even the government can follow the law? Does that mean the laws are so complex that not even the government understands them?
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2014 10:16:51 AM

"--and as I have posted several times, I don't see the ruling as "carte blanche" to inject corruption into the IRS."

Corruption is a part of human nature. Why open the door to the possibility? And for what purpose?

"Many don't think corporations are entitled to a voice, why have taxation on corporations without representation?"

They certainly do have a voice - those in their employ.
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2014 1:07:08 AM

The Ridiculous Thing an IRS Commissioner Said About Following the Law is Worth 4 or 5 More Looks

“Wherever we can, we follow the law.”
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2014 12:31:21 AM

Weasel: <<<"As I have posted many times - given the Citizen's United ruling, the door was open for this abuse against either side. It still is...">>>

--and as I have posted several times, I don't see the ruling as "carte blanche" to inject corruption into the IRS. But in any case, this would be easy to correct, take away the oversight from the IRS and give it to a bipartisan committee to handle, if you agree that the IRS is incapable of serving all people equally.

Another solution is to only tax individuals, and relieve corporations of having to pay taxes. Many don't think corporations are entitled to a voice, why have taxation on corporations without representation?
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2014 1:48:20 PM

"Naturally, when Republicans have the WH and both houses of Congress, Liberals will have NO PROBLEM with constant delays in applications and increased auditing of THEIR organizations and advocates."

As I have posted many times - given the Citizen's United ruling, the door was open for this abuse against either side. It still is...

"If there is an investigation at that time, I'm just sure another mysterious disappearance of incriminating evidence can be arranged."

Probably.
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2014 1:41:09 PM

Naturally, when Republicans have the WH and both houses of Congress, Liberals will have NO PROBLEM with constant delays in applications and increased auditing of THEIR organizations and advocates.

If there is an investigation at that time, I'm just sure another mysterious disappearance of incriminating evidence can be arranged.

Hey, it almost worked for Nixon.
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2014 1:34:52 PM

"Yes, weas, we have six years worth of facts to prove this."

No, you have 6 years of talking points to parrot... ;)
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2014 6:10:03 AM

not a surprise
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2014 12:49:24 PM

Yes, weas, we have six years worth of facts to prove this.
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2014 12:42:58 PM

"This "stench trail" leads to a White House that has become a 'nation of men, not a nation of laws'."

And of course, you have facts to prove this - or is this just another baseless assertion in a long line of baseless assertions?

;)
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"There is more on the link, and I hope the link posts correctly. If it doesn't, here it is to copy and paste:"

Try tiny url for making links shorter

You can thank me later ;)
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The Plot Thickens!

"The administration official calling House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa’s (R-Calif.) office last week had an odd request.

Could the Justice Department get some help leaking information about the IRS’s scrutiny of conservative groups? asked Brian Fallon, a top spokesman for Attorney General Eric Holder.

Apparently thinking he had reached the office of Democratic Rep. Elijah Cummings (Md.), Fallon said the department wanted congressional staffers to get documents to selected reporters so that officials could comment on them “before the majority” did.

After Issa spokesman Frederick Hill replied that Oversight Committee staffers would have to examine those documents first, the line went silent, and Fallon placed the call on hold for three minutes.

When he returned to the line, Fallon was “audibly shaken,” according to an account of the conversation that Issa recounts in a letter sent to Holder.

The Justice official then said there had been a “change in plans,” that no documents would be released on Friday and that the main reason for the call was to seek a thaw in relations between the department and Oversight Republicans."

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