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mudtoe

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Message Posted: May 10, 2013 1:47:04 PM

IRS Admits Targeting Conservative Groups

From the article:

"The Internal Revenue Service inappropriately flagged conservative political groups for additional reviews during the 2012 election to see if they were violating their tax-exempt status, a top IRS official said Friday.

Organizations were singled out because they included the words "tea party" or "patriot" in their applications for tax-exempt status, said Lois Lerner, who heads the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt groups."

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Many conservative groups complained during the election that they were being harassed by the IRS. They accused the agency of frustrating their attempts to become tax exempt by sending them lengthy, intrusive questionnaires.

The forms, which the groups made available at the time, sought information about group members' political activities, including details of their postings on social networking websites and about family members.


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The IRS claimed that this was done by "low level" employees, and that there was no political motivation, or involvement by higher ups. Yea, right! Just by random chance some low level hourly employees got to work one morning and on a whim decided to randomly target certain non-profits, all of which just happened to be conservative, without any input or direction from their boss. But hey, there was no political motivation here and no higher ups knew about it. And just by chance their ultimate boss, Obama, was running for re-election, and just by even more random chance the groups they targeted were opposed to their boss. It's all just a series of wonderful coincidences here, that weren't orchestrated by anybody, no sir. Nothing to see here folks, it's just business at usual. Maybe these same people were the ones who on a whim changed the Benghazi talking points.


mudtoe


P.S. These same people will now have access to all your health information, and I'm sure that no health secrets about their bosses' political opponents will ever be leaked; nah, can't happen.





[Edited by: mudtoe at 5/10/2013 1:49:21 PM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 12:52:01 PM

"So it was OK when your side got to outspend your opponents because your opponents were legally prevented from competing, but it's not OK when your opponents, now playing under the exact same rules as your side, end up outspending you under equal rules. Got it."

Seems like 'all' organizations, like the NRA, have always been able to help 'their side' compete....

Convenient amnesia?
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 12:43:52 PM

tt: "I think there just may be... "



I'm sure that businesses like Ben & Jerry's and Solyndra make (or made) copious political donations, and that none of those donations went to Republicans. Of course maybe btc1 is smart enough not to count Solyndra because he realizes that Solyndra's donations didn't count because they were really donating government money as opposed to their own, and therefore said donations must be categorized as kickbacks rather than actual donations.


mudtoe

[Edited by: mudtoe at 10/23/2014 12:45:50 PM EST]
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 8:27:32 AM

WHAT?! There are NO liberal corporate donors?!

I think there just may be...
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 3:03:03 PM

btc: "Still the unprecedented money now spent by corporate entities is grossly over the top compared to what the unions used to provide."



So it was OK when your side got to outspend your opponents because your opponents were legally prevented from competing, but it's not OK when your opponents, now playing under the exact same rules as your side, end up outspending you under equal rules. Got it.



mudtoe


[Edited by: mudtoe at 10/22/2014 3:07:38 PM EST]
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btc1
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 2:28:48 PM

mudtoe, "Union money was always considered free speech, and the left never ever had a problem with that. " I did not support more than get out the vote and enabling voter registration when I was a union supporter/worker. I did not like unions giving money to candidates anymore than you do. I went head to head with Wade Rathke in New Orleans over his promotion of Socialism for the US government. Your interpretation of socialism is still different than mine. Rathke wanted to abolish Capitalism. I will never support that. And Obama is not supporting that, either.

Still the unprecedented money now spent by corporate entities is grossly over the top compared to what the unions used to provide.

[Edited by: btc1 at 10/22/2014 2:30:34 PM EST]
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 2:20:43 PM

btc: "Money has never been considered free speech, UNTIL the Citizens United case came along. "


Union money was always considered free speech, and the left never ever had a problem with that. Citizens United simply leveled the playing field and allowed the left's opponents to play under the same rules that unions had enjoyed for decades, which of course is why the hypocrites on the left now think it's not fair.


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[Edited by: mudtoe at 10/22/2014 2:21:42 PM EST]
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 2:17:02 PM

As long as it was CONSERVATIVE money/free speech.

THAT is what Obama's IRS with Lerner was seeking to enforce.
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btc1
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 1:55:06 PM

Money has never been considered free speech, UNTIL the Citizens United case came along. Money is not free speech and that is unconstitutional to think it is. Example: Poll Tax. Money only interferes with free speech. Money is not a voice of corporations. The founding fathers railed against the corporations in founding this country. It was never intended for them to have a voice.

But money and corporations bought the decision from the Supreme Court. That has to stop.

That is what the IRS was seeking to enforce.

[Edited by: btc1 at 10/22/2014 1:56:45 PM EST]
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 1:50:26 PM

I wonder if this will resume after the midterms?
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Sep 22, 2014 9:23:02 PM

I'll bet she's angling for a pardon from Bozo on his last day in office. That's the only thing that will save her from eventual prosecution and prison.


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Message Posted: Sep 22, 2014 2:23:01 PM

I wonder how many more interviews she will do. This comment from the Roth & Co Tax Update blog sums it up: "it might get her some good press from outlets inclined to dismiss the scandal."
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Message Posted: Sep 22, 2014 11:17:14 AM



WOW!

Lois Lerner compares herself to Jeffrey Dahmer!

SMH

That alone is enough reason to convict her a execute her.

ROTFL

Dahmer killed and ATE young men! Dahmer DRILLED holes in the skulls of young men while they were alive hoping to turn them into zombies!

And Lois Lerner compares herself to Jeffrey Dahmer!

She is just an avowed progressive liberal so it may be that she is like Jeffrey Dahmer!

SMH

Lois Lerner Compares Herself To Jeffrey Dahmer

Remember this when you vote in November.

Do NOT vote for any progressives or liberals.

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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Sep 22, 2014 11:08:04 AM

I75: "Riiiiiight, Lois......that's why you took the fifth on all those many pointed questions asked of you when you were under oath."


She's a soiled liberal partisan who got caught using her position in the IRS to punish her political enemies in defiance of the law.



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Message Posted: Sep 22, 2014 10:21:01 AM

Weaslespit: "That is 'exactly' what the Citizen's United ruling did. It took a black-and-white law and made it incredibly vague and open for interpretation - dangerous at that level."

No, it took a patently unconstitutional law limiting free speech, and struck it down. Liberals have their panties in a wad about it, because they wanted limits on spending for corporations but not unions and their own PACs.

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Message Posted: Sep 22, 2014 10:16:47 AM

Exclusive: Lois Lerner breaks silence

"“I didn’t do anything wrong,” Lerner said in her first press interview since the scandal broke 16 months ago. “I’m proud of my career and the job I did for this country.”

Riiiiiight, Lois......that's why you took the fifth on all those many pointed questions asked of you when you were under oath.
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 10:51:26 AM

The Supreme Court's ruling in Citizens United v. FEC essentially held that spending money on election ads is a form of free speech, and thus there's little Congress can do to limit it. In contrast, direct donations to political candidates could remain regulated and restricted. This created an incentive for moneyed groups and individuals to affect elections by spending on their own election ads rather than donating to candidates or parties.
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 10:39:59 AM

"Interesting - not even the government can follow the law? Does that mean the laws are so complex that not even the government understands them?"

That is 'exactly' what the Citizen's United ruling did. It took a black-and-white law and made it incredibly vague and open for interpretation - dangerous at that level.
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2014 11:46:38 AM

Another indication that the Democrats are up to their eyeballs in illegal activities. These democrats seem to go way the heck up the food chain. When will the WH be implicated?
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>>>An aide to the attorney general accidentally calls the office of the House Oversight Committee chairman, asking for help in spinning the defense of the agency whose head just said they obey the law when they can.

We have commented many times of the all-too-cozy relationship between the IRS and Democratic members of the House and Senate, with members writing to the agency demanding that specific conservative groups and political action committees they find particularly irritating be subject to the "special scrutiny" that the Tea Party and other conservative and religious groups were subjected to in the ongoing scandal.

Of particular interest to us has been Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., ranking member on Rep. Darrell Issa's House Government Reform and Oversight Committee, who has made every effort to keep the committee from finding out the true extent of IRS corruption and abuse of power in its targeting of conservatives.

As we've noted, emails released by Issa, a California Republican, show that Cummings' Democratic staff had requested information from the IRS' tax-exempt division, the one headed by Lois Lerner, on True the Vote, a conservative group that monitors polling places for voter fraud and supports the use of voter IDs, something that Cummings opposes.

"The IRS and the Oversight Minority made numerous requests for virtually identical information from True the Vote, raising concerns that the IRS improperly shared, protected taxpayer information with Rep. Cummings' staff," the Oversight panel said in a statement.

According to Issa, Cummings and his staff sought "copies of all training materials used for volunteers, affiliates or other entities" from True the Vote.

Five days later, True the Vote received an almost identical request for information from the IRS.

As we reported, Holly Paz, the deputy of Lois Lerner who headed the IRS division handling tax-exempt organizations, had forwarded True the Vote's 990 forms (on which nonprofit groups report their financial information) to Cummings' staff.

Now we have Brian Fallon, a former aide to New York Democratic Sen. Chuck Schumer and a communications aide to Attorney General Eric Holder, who mistakenly called Issa's office thinking it was the office of Cummings and asked for help in leaking documents to selected reporters for the purpose of creating media spin before Issa and his committee could make them public.<<<

Yep Mr. Cummings will keep on trying to sabotage the investigation - because if he doesnt he might spend time in jail it seems.....

Democrat -- dishonest - but I repeat myself.....
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2014 10:55:40 AM

"Hey, it almost worked for Nixon."

Yes, but in this case everybody that was emailed from Lerner seems to have gotten a computer virus and their computers have been crashing. Amazing coincidence! And then of course it sound like Lerner was in the bathroom at church and dropped her phone in the toilet (made up but funnier than her just destroying her phone to destroy evidence).
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2014 10:47:34 AM

Weaslespit: "And of course, you have facts to prove this - or is this just another baseless assertion in a long line of baseless assertions?"

It's always amusing when liberals try to use big words and long sentences in a vain attempt to look intelligent.

*ROTFL*
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2014 10:41:40 AM

Interesting - not even the government can follow the law? Does that mean the laws are so complex that not even the government understands them?
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2014 10:16:51 AM

"--and as I have posted several times, I don't see the ruling as "carte blanche" to inject corruption into the IRS."

Corruption is a part of human nature. Why open the door to the possibility? And for what purpose?

"Many don't think corporations are entitled to a voice, why have taxation on corporations without representation?"

They certainly do have a voice - those in their employ.
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2014 1:07:08 AM

The Ridiculous Thing an IRS Commissioner Said About Following the Law is Worth 4 or 5 More Looks

“Wherever we can, we follow the law.”
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Message Posted: Sep 12, 2014 12:31:21 AM

Weasel: <<<"As I have posted many times - given the Citizen's United ruling, the door was open for this abuse against either side. It still is...">>>

--and as I have posted several times, I don't see the ruling as "carte blanche" to inject corruption into the IRS. But in any case, this would be easy to correct, take away the oversight from the IRS and give it to a bipartisan committee to handle, if you agree that the IRS is incapable of serving all people equally.

Another solution is to only tax individuals, and relieve corporations of having to pay taxes. Many don't think corporations are entitled to a voice, why have taxation on corporations without representation?
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Weaslespit
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"Naturally, when Republicans have the WH and both houses of Congress, Liberals will have NO PROBLEM with constant delays in applications and increased auditing of THEIR organizations and advocates."

As I have posted many times - given the Citizen's United ruling, the door was open for this abuse against either side. It still is...

"If there is an investigation at that time, I'm just sure another mysterious disappearance of incriminating evidence can be arranged."

Probably.
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2014 1:41:09 PM

Naturally, when Republicans have the WH and both houses of Congress, Liberals will have NO PROBLEM with constant delays in applications and increased auditing of THEIR organizations and advocates.

If there is an investigation at that time, I'm just sure another mysterious disappearance of incriminating evidence can be arranged.

Hey, it almost worked for Nixon.
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Message Posted: Sep 11, 2014 1:34:52 PM

"Yes, weas, we have six years worth of facts to prove this."

No, you have 6 years of talking points to parrot... ;)
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not a surprise
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2014 12:49:24 PM

Yes, weas, we have six years worth of facts to prove this.
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"This "stench trail" leads to a White House that has become a 'nation of men, not a nation of laws'."

And of course, you have facts to prove this - or is this just another baseless assertion in a long line of baseless assertions?

;)
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"There is more on the link, and I hope the link posts correctly. If it doesn't, here it is to copy and paste:"

Try tiny url for making links shorter

You can thank me later ;)
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2014 10:50:38 AM

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The Plot Thickens!

"The administration official calling House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa’s (R-Calif.) office last week had an odd request.

Could the Justice Department get some help leaking information about the IRS’s scrutiny of conservative groups? asked Brian Fallon, a top spokesman for Attorney General Eric Holder.

Apparently thinking he had reached the office of Democratic Rep. Elijah Cummings (Md.), Fallon said the department wanted congressional staffers to get documents to selected reporters so that officials could comment on them “before the majority” did.

After Issa spokesman Frederick Hill replied that Oversight Committee staffers would have to examine those documents first, the line went silent, and Fallon placed the call on hold for three minutes.

When he returned to the line, Fallon was “audibly shaken,” according to an account of the conversation that Issa recounts in a letter sent to Holder.

The Justice official then said there had been a “change in plans,” that no documents would be released on Friday and that the main reason for the call was to seek a thaw in relations between the department and Oversight Republicans."

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This "stench trail" leads to a White House that has become a 'nation of men, not a nation of laws'.

That is in the tradition of the worst Third World tin horn dictators, even those in Kenya!

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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Sep 10, 2014 9:03:14 AM

Well, the stench of this scandal has now completely enveloped the DOJ as well as the IRS. How far we've come from the days when the liberal sycophant posters here were screaming at the top of their lungs that this was much ado about nothing as it was just a couple of overzealous cubicle clerks in Cincinnati who had wandered a tiny bit off of the reservation.

How long before the stench trail leads to the White House?


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[L=http://thehill.com/policy/finance/text deleted Holder aide caught red-handed[/L]

The administration official calling House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa’s (R-Calif.) office last week had an odd request.

Could the Justice Department get some help leaking information about the IRS’s scrutiny of conservative groups? asked Brian Fallon, a top spokesman for Attorney General Eric Holder.Apparently thinking he had reached the office of Democratic Rep. Elijah Cummings (Md.), Fallon said the department wanted congressional staffers to get documents to selected reporters so that officials could comment on them “before the majority” did.
After Issa spokesman Frederick Hill replied that Oversight Committee staffers would have to examine those documents first, the line went silent, and Fallon placed the call on hold for three minutes.

When he returned to the line, Fallon was “audibly shaken,” according to an account of the conversation that Issa recounts in a letter sent to Holder.

The Justice official then said there had been a “change in plans,” that no documents would be released on Friday and that the main reason for the call was to seek a thaw in relations between the department and Oversight Republicans.

Issa said it’s clear that the Justice official meant to call Democratic staff and argued the mix-up is proof that President Obama’s administration and Cummings have been collaborating to “prejudice the committee’s work through under-the-table coordination.”There is more on the link, and I hope the link posts correctly. If it doesn't, here it is to copy and paste:

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/217129-issa-accuses-doj-of-under-the-table-coordination-with-house-democrats
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The administration is hoping to drag this out until it is overshadowed by the next crisis or it becomes old new and no one cares anymore.
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More evidence of the CORRUPTION of the Obama/Holder Department of INjustice comes out.

Watch the libs spin this and attack the source rather than deal with truth.

Rep. Darrell Issa Says He Caught the Justice Department Red-Handed Conspiring with House Dems on IRS Documents
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You would think that this administration would learned this lesson by seeing previous occupants in the White House compounding a small problem with a larger one through a cover-up. Then again, I guess they think that this can't happen to them.
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"This is most certainly government abuse. Now, whether or not Lerner did this on her own, or whether they did this on the instructions of higher ups is at this point a matter of speculation. Regardless, crimes were committed here. Lerner appears to have deliberately abridged free speech rights by unfairly denying tax exempt status to certain organizations. But there's also the matter of a cover up, who ordered it, and who carried out intentional destruction of evidence."

Agreed.
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This is most certainly government abuse. Now, whether or not Lerner did this on her own, or whether they did this on the instructions of higher ups is at this point a matter of speculation. Regardless, crimes were committed here. Lerner appears to have deliberately abridged free speech rights by unfairly denying tax exempt status to certain organizations. But there's also the matter of a cover up, who ordered it, and who carried out intentional destruction of evidence.

A special prosecuter, independent of the inJustice Department and not answering to Obama nor Holder needs to be named. This kind of government abuse, ala Nixon and J. Edgar Hoover needs to be stopped and punished. It was wrong then and it is wrong now to use government functions as a weapon of retaliation or revenge.
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Message Posted: Sep 6, 2014 12:22:54 PM

Gee, I wonder who those donors were? I'll bet they weren't the ones sending money to Bozo or democrats. Anyone want to take that bet?


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Message Posted: Sep 6, 2014 9:38:18 AM

Is this coincidence or deliberate? I could not even type that without laughing because we all know!
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So why did their computers crash? Probably because of their "secret project" to target donors. This is just abuse at the highest level!
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"I do think she is hiding something, but in the absence of fact I think it is more CYA for herself rather than the Administration - but you never know. I wouldn't state blindly that it isn't a possibility..."

Her computer and those of people she was emailing conveniently crashed and got destroyed instead of secured like the law requires. Congress announces it was investigating the IRS targeting and her phone gets wiped right after. Ok...just circumstance...LOL. Too many cover ups by her and for her to not think there is something hiding under all that smoke.
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"No you can't eliminate human nature, but if you make succumbing to it painful enough people may think about giving into it."

Or the law can revert to its previous black-and-white version which eliminates 'any' amount of human corruption (or simple incompetence) from the equation which will guarantee to eliminate a future recurrence.

But in the mean time, those who acted unethically need to be punished.
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>>>>>>>You can't eliminate human nature. That is a fool's errand.<<<<<<

No you can't eliminate human nature, but if you make succumbing to it painful enough people may think about giving into it. By painful I mean a public trial and if guilty a nice long stay at club fed. Because it also includes abuse of power while acting in her job as a government official it should also include forfeiture of all accumulated benefits, pension, healthcare, even a parking space. Anyone convicted of abusing the public trust should not be allowed get any benefits from it.

I believe we should reward those who work faithfully and we should destroy those I catch violating the trust we give them. I'm not talking about political ideology I'm talking about abusing power and criminal activity. Destroying that Blackberry was after the investigation was started was a criminal act, so was the loss of the E-mail data.
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 1:16:24 PM

nstr: "So if Lerner had that info destroyed, she lied under oath when she said she did nothing wrong and nothing illegal. "


No doubt. Of course when someone says: "I did nothing wrong. I did nothing illegal. I take the fifth." all in the same breath it does tend to make them look like a really big liar.



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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 11:27:42 AM

"Oh she is hiding something. There is just way too much smoke to not believe there is fire. Even the hardcore lefties are avoiding this conversation these days because I think they even believe that if they can recover any data from here it is going to incriminate a lot of people in this administration."

I do think she is hiding something, but in the absence of fact I think it is more CYA for herself rather than the Administration - but you never know. I wouldn't state blindly that it isn't a possibility...
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 11:26:22 AM

"No, the way to stop repeating this corruption is to punish those that are corrupt. By that I mean do NOT let them retire with their pension. Jail would be a more appropriate punishment."

You can't eliminate human nature. That is a fool's errand.
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 8:06:39 AM

So if Lerner had that info destroyed, she lied under oath when she said she did nothing wrong and nothing illegal.
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