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mudtoe

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Message Posted: May 10, 2013 1:47:04 PM

IRS Admits Targeting Conservative Groups

From the article:

"The Internal Revenue Service inappropriately flagged conservative political groups for additional reviews during the 2012 election to see if they were violating their tax-exempt status, a top IRS official said Friday.

Organizations were singled out because they included the words "tea party" or "patriot" in their applications for tax-exempt status, said Lois Lerner, who heads the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt groups."

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Many conservative groups complained during the election that they were being harassed by the IRS. They accused the agency of frustrating their attempts to become tax exempt by sending them lengthy, intrusive questionnaires.

The forms, which the groups made available at the time, sought information about group members' political activities, including details of their postings on social networking websites and about family members.


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The IRS claimed that this was done by "low level" employees, and that there was no political motivation, or involvement by higher ups. Yea, right! Just by random chance some low level hourly employees got to work one morning and on a whim decided to randomly target certain non-profits, all of which just happened to be conservative, without any input or direction from their boss. But hey, there was no political motivation here and no higher ups knew about it. And just by chance their ultimate boss, Obama, was running for re-election, and just by even more random chance the groups they targeted were opposed to their boss. It's all just a series of wonderful coincidences here, that weren't orchestrated by anybody, no sir. Nothing to see here folks, it's just business at usual. Maybe these same people were the ones who on a whim changed the Benghazi talking points.


mudtoe


P.S. These same people will now have access to all your health information, and I'm sure that no health secrets about their bosses' political opponents will ever be leaked; nah, can't happen.





[Edited by: mudtoe at 5/10/2013 1:49:21 PM EST]
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2015 2:45:25 PM

Just more evidence that Lerner knew what she was doing was illegal, and she didn't want the higher ups to get involved. From the emails it looks like her boss got the message that it was in his best interests to remain ignorant of what was going on. Now, in contrast, if a lower level manager who worked for me went that far out of his or her way to ask me not to inquire about something, you can bet I'd have her subordinates in my office one by one until I got to the bottom of whatever was going on behind my back. One of the few hard and fast rules I had for my subordinates was that if I got blindsided by my boss concerning something bad that was happening that they knew about and didn't share with me, they were in big trouble.


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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2015 8:15:49 AM

. . . Lois Lerner Begged Supervisor Not to Visit IRS Office

1-14-15

"President Barack Obama, White House officials and Lois Lerner herself repeatedly argued the IRS targeting scandal was a local, "low-level", Cincinnati issue, when in fact it was coming from headquarters in Washington D.C."
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2015 11:32:40 AM

Weasel, >>...Um, exactly? The IRS definitely needs to face the music for not being even-handed in their audits of political groups, but the root cause must still be addressed…<<
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Exactly!

The real problem (Political Corruption in BOTH parties) is NOT being dealt with because leaders of each party do not want to give up the chance to avenge the wrongs suffered at the hands of "other" party.

What are the solutions? The only realistic one in my opinion is eliminating the IRS via Constitutional Amendment and instituting The Fair Tax. Some might say changing to a Flat Tax but that doesn't eliminate the problem.

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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2015 11:15:10 AM

"--A liberal will state that the IRS did nothing wrong, and the few that acknowledge the wrong will state that it was an outside force (by court decision) that forces them to target people for their beliefs. A liberal wants these investigations to cease immediately.

A conservative will state that the IRS is controlled by the liberals, and that liberals targeted these conservative groups to silence their voices. A conservative wants these investigations to never end.

A moderate that leans neither one way or the other will see the facts and the admissions by the IRS themselves of targeting people, and will want to get to the bottom of this and make sure it doesn't happen again. A person that leans neither one way or the other wants answers and action, not political spin."

Um, exactly? The IRS definitely needs to face the music for not being even-handed in their audits of political groups, but the root cause must still be addressed...
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2015 11:00:06 AM

"Was their money able to buy elections? These two democrats spent hundreds of millions to get more democrats elected.

That money didn't really help, did it?"

I never said it was a Conservative phenomenon, did I? Corporations can be Liberal or Conservative...

"So the "Citizens United" ruling stated that IRS employees can audit and harass non-profits that they do not agree with?"

No, and that isn't what was said. CU did, however, open the door to personal bias within the IRS.

"It is the fault of the corrupt IRS, NOT the Supreme Court."

You are only addressing the symptom if the illness, rather than the illness itself - thus leaving the door open to repeating the same mistakes - next time it could go against Liberal-minded organizations.

[Edited by: Weaslespit at 1/9/2015 11:02:48 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2015 9:50:49 AM

Weaslespit, "Why can corporations still buy elections? Why has the Citizen's United ruling not been reversed?"

Two names for you: Tom Steyer, Michael Bloomberg.

Was their money able to buy elections? These two democrats spent hundreds of millions to get more democrats elected.

That money didn't really help, did it?

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Nstrdnvstr: <<<"Weaslespit, put the blame where it belongs for once, on the IRS thugs that illegally went after conservative groups because they are "icky", because they do not agree with the presidents policies, because they raise money for issues that the administration would rather not be raised.

It is the fault of the corrupt IRS, NOT the Supreme Court.">>>

--A liberal will state that the IRS did nothing wrong, and the few that acknowledge the wrong will state that it was an outside force (by court decision) that forces them to target people for their beliefs. A liberal wants these investigations to cease immediately.

A conservative will state that the IRS is controlled by the liberals, and that liberals targeted these conservative groups to silence their voices. A conservative wants these investigations to never end.

A moderate that leans neither one way or the other will see the facts and the admissions by the IRS themselves of targeting people, and will want to get to the bottom of this and make sure it doesn't happen again. A person that leans neither one way or the other wants answers and action, not political spin.
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2015 12:10:07 PM

"“Documents and interviews show IRS officials failed to limit their professional judgments to enforcing the tax code and instead inserted their own beliefs and judgments into federal matters to influence outcomes and decisions...”

This is only possible now because of the grey areas created by Citizens United ruling, eliminating the black-and-white..."

So the "Citizens United" ruling stated that IRS employees can audit and harass non-profits that they do not agree with?

Weaslespit, put the blame where it belongs for once, on the IRS thugs that illegally went after conservative groups because they are "icky", because they do not agree with the presidents policies, because they raise money for issues that the administration would rather not be raised.

It is the fault of the corrupt IRS, NOT the Supreme Court.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2015 11:32:50 AM

From your link, mweyant;

“Documents and interviews show IRS officials failed to limit their professional judgments to enforcing the tax code and instead inserted their own beliefs and judgments into federal matters to influence outcomes and decisions...”

This is only possible now because of the grey areas created by Citizens United ruling, eliminating the black-and-white...
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2015 11:30:22 AM

"Don't expect that to happen until after Bozo is out of office, and that's assuming he doesn't pardon her."

The kind of baseless ranting I would expect to see from Beck and parroted by his minions...
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2015 6:18:51 AM

House Republicans Take Year-End Swing at IRS

1-6-15

from a blog but references a real report

here

“Documents and interviews show IRS officials failed to limit their professional judgments to enforcing the tax code and instead inserted their own beliefs and judgments into federal matters to influence outcomes and decisions,” the 210-page report said.

I posted a link to this report before, but the contents were then twisted by another poster, and when I pointed it out, there was no response. Just want to keep this in the news :)

[Edited by: mweyant at 1/8/2015 6:21:13 AM EST]
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2015 12:36:40 AM

AC: "How come Lois Lerner isn't behind bars for abuse of power under authority? How come Holder wasn't indicted either over this for dereliction of duty? "


Don't expect that to happen until after Bozo is out of office, and that's assuming he doesn't pardon her.


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Message Posted: Jan 3, 2015 8:23:34 PM

Why can corporations still buy elections? Why has the Citizen's United ruling not been reversed?
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Message Posted: Jan 3, 2015 5:38:52 PM

How come Lois Lerner isn't behind bars for abuse of power under authority? How come Holder wasn't indicted either over this for dereliction of duty?
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2015 7:49:31 AM

btc, who, during the MO grand jury investigation took the fifth and destroyed evidence?
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Message Posted: Dec 31, 2014 8:24:42 PM

Hey johnny, that sounds more like a MO Grand Jury investigation to me.
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>>"An 18-month congressional investigation into the Internal Revenue Service’s mistreatment of conservative political groups seeking tax exemptions failed to show coordination between agency officials and political operatives in the White House, according to a report released on Tuesday."<<

It can be kind of hard to get to the truth when key players take the 5th and evidence is withheld and or destroyed.
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Dec 27, 2014 10:32:29 AM

which did not happen . . . read the report
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Message Posted: Dec 27, 2014 10:31:56 AM

mweyant, they went after that abuse of the abuse of the tax code. What the Issa committee purpose was, was to connect it to the Administration. That is the point of the article. Issa had to admit there was no connection. Issa failed miserably in that task.

[Edited by: btc1 at 12/27/2014 10:32:41 AM EST]
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Dec 27, 2014 6:59:37 AM

Regarding a previous post at Message Posted: Dec 26, 2014 1:01:11 PM:

The actual report from Issa and his committee said nothing similar to what Reverb Press’s blog reported.
I cannot find out any information about Realy? Press, who publishes the Reverb Press Internet page, except to find a description of them written by themselves. If anyone else can, please let me know—I’m curious and would like to inform myself about the Realy? Press. Seriously. One can never have too much information.

Check this out, taken word for word from the actual report:

Issa Releases Report on IRS Targeting as 113th Congress Concludes
12-23-14

"The report’s conclusion reads in part:

Conservative organizations were not just singled out because of their political beliefs—they were targeted by IRS officials and employees who expressed a general loathing toward them even while begrudgingly admitting that those organizations were in compliance with the only thing the IRS should care about: the federal tax code. Documents and interviews show IRS officials failed to limit their professional judgments to enforcing the tax code and instead inserted their own beliefs and judgments into federal matters to influence outcomes and decisions. One IRS agent wrote about an organization applying for 501(c)(4) status that donated to other organizations that engaged in political activity, “I’m not sure we can deny them because, technically, I don’t know that I can deny them simply for donating to another 501(c)(4).” Another agent responded, “This sounds like a bad org . . . This org gives me an icky feeling.” 'Full Report( just a little light reading)
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Message Posted: Dec 27, 2014 6:00:35 AM

Not a surprise is it?
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Message Posted: Dec 26, 2014 1:01:11 PM

Another "scandal" shot down!

"An 18-month congressional investigation into the Internal Revenue Service’s mistreatment of conservative political groups seeking tax exemptions failed to show coordination between agency officials and political operatives in the White House, according to a report released on Tuesday."

Quietly from Issa's own commitee!
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2014 2:38:24 PM

Good Luck with that deduction too! ;-)
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2014 2:27:10 PM

"Can you say both?"

Only if one has a higher opinion of one's self than is warranted.

Sounds like simple incompetence to me which is no surprise given how bloated the IRS is due to having to deal with an unnecessarily complex and overly-complicated tax code made even more-so by the Citizen's United ruling...

Best of luck dealing with that EZ, nobody should have to go through what you are experiencing in this day in age of technology and digitization.

[Edited by: Weaslespit at 12/15/2014 2:28:14 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Dec 15, 2014 10:41:06 AM

The IRS's message to me this morning, is to ignore the letters for now, but if they keep coming next month, to return with all of my supporting documentation again. They still maintain that they can't fix this, but perhaps it will fix itself. I told them that they would find any required return of my presence would be quite unpleasant for them as well...

I also plan to add my time and energy towards resolving this as a future deductible cost for tax preparation expenditure <evil grin>.

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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2014 10:14:10 PM

>This is either harassing a conservative, or government incompetence, you make the call!<

Can you say both?
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EZE, ? Ask where you can send a certified copy of the cancelled check to end this. I have never in twenty years heard of a "different software" problem. Not saying that is not what they are telling you. But, someone is not following through on this. I have never said they are not lazy there.

Everything is on the same "server".
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2014 2:37:27 PM

EZ: "This is either harassing a conservative, or government incompetence, you make the call! "


That check you wrote to the Tea Party in 2012 is coming back to bite you. Either that, or Lois Lerner, now that she has plenty of time on her hands, trolls this forum and still has plenty of friends at the IRS willing to do her a favor and punish people she doesn't like.



mudtoe

[Edited by: mudtoe at 12/14/2014 2:40:00 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2014 2:26:04 PM

I have to wonder if I have been outed, I received a notice of failure to pay my taxes, with accompanying interest and fines. I have a cancelled check from the timely and fully paid payment that I had made. They tell me that the payment indeed posted to my account right away, but they are still waiting for it to be "credited to my account". Furthermore, their collection department showing me in arrears differs from their revenue department showing me as current. Neither can fix this, as both of these departments "utilize different software".

This is either harassing a conservative, or government incompetence, you make the call!
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2014 11:00:38 PM

Fast and Furious was investigated by the DOJ. Nothing was found
DOJ wire tapping was investigated by the DOJ. They say they wont do it again.
Why should we believe that they will find anything when they are investigating there partner in the IRS scandal.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2014 4:07:43 PM

Unfortunately we are not likely to get to the bottom of this until after Bozo is no longer President. As the DOJ is now in essence an accomplice to this wrongdoing, a special prosecutor is needed more than ever.


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Message Posted: Dec 12, 2014 12:33:42 PM

Obama Justice Department Was Involved In IRS Targeting, Lerner Emails Reveal
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12/10/2014 @ 7:57PM
Sadly, the 18 month investigation into the IRS targeting of conservative groups isn’t over, and it may be worse than anyone thought. A federal judge has broken loose more emails that the DOJ had surely hoped would never surface. The picture it reveals isn’t pretty. The documents prove that Lois Lerner met with DOJ’s Election Crimes Division a month before the 2010 elections.

It has to be embarrassing to the DOJ, which may not be the most impartial one to be investigating the IRS. In fact, the DOJ withheld over 800 pages of Lerner documents citing “taxpayer privacy” and “deliberative privilege.” Yet these internal DOJ documents show Ms. Lerner was talking to DOJ officials about prosecuting tax-exempt entities (yes, criminally!) two years before the IRS conceded there was inappropriate targeting.==============click the link to read more
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2014 9:15:14 AM

Imagine that.
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2014 5:59:28 AM

30k worth of emails?
That's a big Twinkie.

I doubt I have sent that many my whole life.
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2014 5:54:05 AM

We'll see how long it will take for those emails to come out and be made public.
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2014 6:26:42 PM

Just heard that up to 30,000 Lois Lerner emails from 2009-2011 have been recovered from "disaster recovery tapes". So much for the repeated IRS lies that those emails were lost forever. I hope whoever is in possession of those tapes has some private, non-government, security firms protecting them, lest a fire or something break out and destroy them.

Investigators may have found up to 30K Lois Lerner emails


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[Edited by: mudtoe at 11/21/2014 6:28:39 PM EST]
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IRS is monitoring comment threads on conservative blogs

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"In a federal FOIA lawsuit by Judicial Watch seeking records of Lerner emails and IRS efforts to retrieve the emails, the IRS used two of the comments to the Legal Insurrection Reader Poll post to justify the IRS no longer disclosing the identities of IRS personnel."

from a blog from American Thinker
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A chance to get to the bottom of the IRS scandals

11-12-14

This article is from Powerline's blog.

"The stage is thus set for expanding the inquiry into unexplored areas of IRS misconduct. [Attorney Cleta] Mitchell identifies them:• The full extent of targeting of taxpayers with personal and business audits based on their contributions to and involvement with conservative political candidates and organizations.

• The IRS seizure of taxpayer assets and bank accounts without due process, as has been widely reported in recent weeks.

• The illegal disclosure of confidential taxpayer information to the media, to other federal agencies and to state and local partisan political officials, as we saw in the cases of the National Organization for Marriage, Koch Industries, the Texas Public Policy Council, and the Republican Governors Association Public Policy Council, among others.

• The true story of how Catherine Engelbrecht, the founder of True the Vote, came to be audited and subjected to government attacks by multiple federal agencies after founding two conservative organizations in Houston."
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Jeanne Shaheen helped lead charge to have IRS attack 501(c)(4) groups

11-3-14

"It has long been known that Democratic Senators pushed for the regs. The name most closely associated with this quest has been Chuck Schumer, who no doubt appreciates the publicity. Shaheen was one of five additional Senators who signed a letter to the IRS calling on it to “immediately change the administrative framework for enforcement of the tax code as it applies to groups designated as ‘social welfare’ organizations.” '

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175: <<<""Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said Justice Department lawyers informed him that the federal government keeps a back-up copy of every email and record in the event of a government-wide catastrophe.

The back-up system includes the IRS emails, too."

Fire up the printers and get the subpoenas ready !!!">>>

--Not so fast, sparky, the DOJ is also controlled by the same clowns that have had no problem in protecting at all costs the Obama administration from facing accountability in other scandals. What makes you think the IRS scandal would be any different for them?
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Lois Lerner's emails aren't missing after all, lawyers say

"Government lawyers have told a watchdog group suing over the Internal Revenue Service scandal that Lois Lerner’s emails aren’t missing after all."

"The IRS told Congress that thousands of Lerner’s emails sent prior to 2011 were hopelessly lost thanks to a hard drive crash that left the data unrecoverable. A back-up system, they said, had also been erased."

"Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said Justice Department lawyers informed him that the federal government keeps a back-up copy of every email and record in the event of a government-wide catastrophe.

The back-up system includes the IRS emails, too."

Fire up the printers and get the subpoenas ready !!!!



[Edited by: I75at7AM at 10/29/2014 12:44:11 PM EST]
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"So it was OK when your side got to outspend your opponents because your opponents were legally prevented from competing, but it's not OK when your opponents, now playing under the exact same rules as your side, end up outspending you under equal rules. Got it."

Seems like 'all' organizations, like the NRA, have always been able to help 'their side' compete....

Convenient amnesia?
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 12:43:52 PM

tt: "I think there just may be... "



I'm sure that businesses like Ben & Jerry's and Solyndra make (or made) copious political donations, and that none of those donations went to Republicans. Of course maybe btc1 is smart enough not to count Solyndra because he realizes that Solyndra's donations didn't count because they were really donating government money as opposed to their own, and therefore said donations must be categorized as kickbacks rather than actual donations.


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[Edited by: mudtoe at 10/23/2014 12:45:50 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 23, 2014 8:27:32 AM

WHAT?! There are NO liberal corporate donors?!

I think there just may be...
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btc: "Still the unprecedented money now spent by corporate entities is grossly over the top compared to what the unions used to provide."



So it was OK when your side got to outspend your opponents because your opponents were legally prevented from competing, but it's not OK when your opponents, now playing under the exact same rules as your side, end up outspending you under equal rules. Got it.



mudtoe


[Edited by: mudtoe at 10/22/2014 3:07:38 PM EST]
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mudtoe, "Union money was always considered free speech, and the left never ever had a problem with that. " I did not support more than get out the vote and enabling voter registration when I was a union supporter/worker. I did not like unions giving money to candidates anymore than you do. I went head to head with Wade Rathke in New Orleans over his promotion of Socialism for the US government. Your interpretation of socialism is still different than mine. Rathke wanted to abolish Capitalism. I will never support that. And Obama is not supporting that, either.

Still the unprecedented money now spent by corporate entities is grossly over the top compared to what the unions used to provide.

[Edited by: btc1 at 10/22/2014 2:30:34 PM EST]
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btc: "Money has never been considered free speech, UNTIL the Citizens United case came along. "


Union money was always considered free speech, and the left never ever had a problem with that. Citizens United simply leveled the playing field and allowed the left's opponents to play under the same rules that unions had enjoyed for decades, which of course is why the hypocrites on the left now think it's not fair.


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[Edited by: mudtoe at 10/22/2014 2:21:42 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 2:17:02 PM

As long as it was CONSERVATIVE money/free speech.

THAT is what Obama's IRS with Lerner was seeking to enforce.
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 1:55:06 PM

Money has never been considered free speech, UNTIL the Citizens United case came along. Money is not free speech and that is unconstitutional to think it is. Example: Poll Tax. Money only interferes with free speech. Money is not a voice of corporations. The founding fathers railed against the corporations in founding this country. It was never intended for them to have a voice.

But money and corporations bought the decision from the Supreme Court. That has to stop.

That is what the IRS was seeking to enforce.

[Edited by: btc1 at 10/22/2014 1:56:45 PM EST]
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 1:50:26 PM

I wonder if this will resume after the midterms?
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Message Posted: Sep 22, 2014 9:23:02 PM

I'll bet she's angling for a pardon from Bozo on his last day in office. That's the only thing that will save her from eventual prosecution and prison.


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