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mudtoe

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Message Posted: May 10, 2013 1:47:04 PM

IRS Admits Targeting Conservative Groups

From the article:

"The Internal Revenue Service inappropriately flagged conservative political groups for additional reviews during the 2012 election to see if they were violating their tax-exempt status, a top IRS official said Friday.

Organizations were singled out because they included the words "tea party" or "patriot" in their applications for tax-exempt status, said Lois Lerner, who heads the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt groups."

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Many conservative groups complained during the election that they were being harassed by the IRS. They accused the agency of frustrating their attempts to become tax exempt by sending them lengthy, intrusive questionnaires.

The forms, which the groups made available at the time, sought information about group members' political activities, including details of their postings on social networking websites and about family members.


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The IRS claimed that this was done by "low level" employees, and that there was no political motivation, or involvement by higher ups. Yea, right! Just by random chance some low level hourly employees got to work one morning and on a whim decided to randomly target certain non-profits, all of which just happened to be conservative, without any input or direction from their boss. But hey, there was no political motivation here and no higher ups knew about it. And just by chance their ultimate boss, Obama, was running for re-election, and just by even more random chance the groups they targeted were opposed to their boss. It's all just a series of wonderful coincidences here, that weren't orchestrated by anybody, no sir. Nothing to see here folks, it's just business at usual. Maybe these same people were the ones who on a whim changed the Benghazi talking points.


mudtoe


P.S. These same people will now have access to all your health information, and I'm sure that no health secrets about their bosses' political opponents will ever be leaked; nah, can't happen.





[Edited by: mudtoe at 5/10/2013 1:49:21 PM EST]
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 6:29:44 PM

I75: "You go with Snowden, then. "


I think Snowden pretty much laid his cards in the table today by being a shill for Putin.


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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 4:30:34 PM

"Desperate, Weasle.

Desperate."

Yes, you are.
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 4:29:26 PM



"An "IRS audit" does not mean a group applying for tax exempt status."

Weaslespit, "Just as I thought, you are unable to make the distinction. I called it."

"Somebody" is unable to!

Desperate, Weasle.

Desperate.

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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 4:22:14 PM

"You go with Snowden, then."

Why? You are the one who appears to disagree with the doctrine this country was founded on... Better pack your parka.
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 4:21:10 PM

"All applications are supposed to be investigated for tax exemption. However the question remains how many liberal groups that applied for tax exempt status face additional scrutiny that the conservative groups faced? You know, the kind where they gave them unapproved questionnaires that asked questions about who donated to their organization, who their guest speakers were, etc, etc. I will help you with it...none has come forward to this day. Those questionnaires were only given to conservative groups. They were specifically targeted based on their political agenda which makes this a scandal, period."

Yes, and I don't disagree with what you have posted here. Unfortunately the IRS reacted poorly to the Citizens United ruling.

"Now is Obama linked to it? Considering it was first only a small group of individuals in Ohio that were connected to it and has now moved to connect the Holder and the even a Senator I would say it is getting a heck of a lot closer and Obama and his friends are probably starting to feel the heat. Did he direct it? I do not know but I am fairly sure he knew it was going on."

Yet when the same 'logic' is applied to Gov. Christie, the Right comes running to his defense saying the same things that the 'crazy Left' says in these tin-foil hat threads...
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 4:18:11 PM

You go with Snowden, then.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 4:17:15 PM

"EZ, you'll need some links (and not to wacko-right-wing sources like Fox News) to support your conspiracy theory allegations. You'll need to clearly show a steaming trail of smoking guns pointing up Pennsylvania Avenue. You'll need verified sworn testimony of trustworthy people. Short of all that, there is no way that some people around here will ever believe that higher-ups in the 0bama Administration had anything to do with the effort to stymie Tea party groups' tax-exempt applications."

That's exactly right. If you don't like it, you can move to a different Country where facts and what can be proven matter little ;)

I would suggest Russia.
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 4:16:11 PM

"The amount of scrutiny given to applicants was solely based on the political posture of the applicant, a violation of civil rights. Even the government itself cannot treat its citizens with preference to one class over another. Unless you can dispute this fact and constitutional right, you cannot successfully argue that no government impropriety occurred."

I do not disagree with this.

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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 4:14:39 PM

"An "IRS audit" does not mean a group applying for tax exempt status."

Just as I thought, you are unable to make the distinction. I called it.

"Well, take your tin hat OFF."

When I became a man, I did away with childish things. Time for you to put away your hat as well ;)
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 3:56:03 PM

"Feel free to call them whatever you want - it is an investigation to determine said group qualifies for said exemption. Why are you playing with semantics? I hope not to gain credibility..."

All applications are supposed to be investigated for tax exemption. However the question remains how many liberal groups that applied for tax exempt status face additional scrutiny that the conservative groups faced? You know, the kind where they gave them unapproved questionnaires that asked questions about who donated to their organization, who their guest speakers were, etc, etc. I will help you with it...none has come forward to this day. Those questionnaires were only given to conservative groups. They were specifically targeted based on their political agenda which makes this a scandal, period.

Now is Obama linked to it? Considering it was first only a small group of individuals in Ohio that were connected to it and has now moved to connect the Holder and the even a Senator I would say it is getting a heck of a lot closer and Obama and his friends are probably starting to feel the heat. Did he direct it? I do not know but I am fairly sure he knew it was going on.
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 3:53:37 PM

EZ, you'll need some links (and not to wacko-right-wing sources like Fox News) to support your conspiracy theory allegations. You'll need to clearly show a steaming trail of smoking guns pointing up Pennsylvania Avenue. You'll need verified sworn testimony of trustworthy people. Short of all that, there is no way that some people around here will ever believe that higher-ups in the 0bama Administration had anything to do with the effort to stymie Tea party groups' tax-exempt applications. If all that is never proven in court, the 0bama-apologists will smugly walk away claiming a "victory" and all will be well and normal in Washington DC.

And that would be a very sad day for America.
I say Issa should subpoena everyone and everything, and send in the US Marshall service to seize the records if they are not turned over, unredacted, in a forthright manner. Anyone who has obstructed Justice should be prosecuted. If the inJustice Department won't do it, a Special Prosecutor should.

[Edited by: I75at7AM at 4/17/2014 3:54:38 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 3:41:54 PM

The amount of scrutiny given to applicants was solely based on the political posture of the applicant, a violation of civil rights. Even the government itself cannot treat its citizens with preference to one class over another. Unless you can dispute this fact and constitutional right, you cannot successfully argue that no government impropriety occurred.

Now we are finding that there were additionally more tentacles to this cancer in our government that reached into the DOJ and one ranking congressional member, and discovery is still just barely beginning. It's no wonder that Cummings works so hard to derail the process, that the DOJ isn't working on straightening this out, and Lerner is avoiding incriminating herself and seeking immunity.

Like I said earlier, I am no longer thinking that this was a little stink in an obscure office, this is more along the lines of Watergate, as rocks get turned over and roaches scurry, this appears like it could go easily all the way to Obama's feet.
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 3:30:47 PM


Try to spin it all you want, Weaslespit, when you are caught in your dishonesty.

An "IRS audit" does not mean a group applying for tax exempt status.

Everyone knows that.

Well, let me take that back.

Obviously some person does NOT know it.

SMH

Weaslespit, "we are back to putting our tin hats back on"

Well, take your tin hat OFF.

SMH



[Edited by: AnotherOne at 4/17/2014 3:31:58 PM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 3:25:55 PM

"AND they were NOT AUDITS and you know it."

It is sad that you are not kidding... Said group applies for a tax exemption, said application is reviewed. In many instances, additional information was required.

For your edification;

Audit: a methodical examination and review

"You were simply trying to distract attention from what was really done by the Obama IRS."

And rather than discuss the actual issues, we are back to putting our tin hats back on and linking this issue to Obama. Where are you facts?
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 3:14:52 PM



First of all, Weasle, you have supplied NO numbers.

We will wait for your numbers since you made the claim.

AND they were NOT AUDITS and you know it.

You were simply trying to distract attention from what was really done by the Obama IRS.

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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 3:06:55 PM

"Are you serious?

You really think that covers your attempts at dishonesty?"

Nope. It proves your statement erroneous, however.

"And you KNOW that they are NOT "audits"."

Feel free to call them whatever you want - it is an investigation to determine said group qualifies for said exemption. Why are you playing with semantics? I hope not to gain credibility...

"We are waiting for your numbers of how MANY liberal groups vs conservative groups."

And I have already indicated that the IRS failed in regards to their investigations into this exemption status. Feel free to peruse previous links I have supplied... The IRS failed - unfortunately they were given the chance to fail due to the Citizens United ruling. This could just as easily failed to the other extreme with more Liberal groups facing longer 'audits' than Conservative ones... The point is that without the SC ruling, neither would have been possible - hence the root cause.
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"You are right, there WERE two or three liberal groups."

Weaslespit, "There ya go."

Are you serious?

You really think that covers your attempts at dishonesty?

WOW

There WERE 2 or 3 liberal groups who applied and their applications were granted without delay or harassment!

Whereas some conservative groups are still waiting YEARS later!

SMH

You are losing credibility rapidly with that kind of _______ Weaslespit.

And you KNOW that they are NOT "audits".

But I guess you are doing the tried and true liberal tactic of trying to repeat a lie often enough and some people will actually believe it.

SMH

NUMBERS, Weaslespit.

We are waiting for your numbers of how MANY liberal groups vs conservative groups.

NUMBERS, Weaslespit.

ROTFL



[Edited by: AnotherOne at 4/17/2014 2:13:42 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 2:01:05 PM

"You are right, there WERE two or three liberal groups."

There ya go.

"We are talking about approval of tax exempt status NOT auditing."

Um, hello? The groups were audited to see if they qualified for said status... Or does the term 'audited' in your world 'only' refer to federal income tax returns?

"And you KNOW that you are just repeating the favorite liberal talking point to try to dismiss all charges against the corrupt IRS and pretend that they were even handed."

Also incorrect. You must have already forgotten what I had posted earlier with regards to the IRS...

"We will wait for you to edumacate us ignorant conservatives."

Don't forget to educate the rest of the masses as to how Obama is connected - and we want FACTS (not just numbers) ;)

I would find it mildly humorous that people actually believe having a tax exempt status would have any bearing on the race for POTUS if it weren't true.
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 1:57:53 PM



Weasle, they were NOT AUDITS!

Let me repeat that since you have trouble understanding it.

THEY WERE NOT AUDITS!

SMH

Still waiting Weasle for the number of liberal groups vs conservative groups.

NUMBERS, Weasle.



[Edited by: AnotherOne at 4/17/2014 1:58:34 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 1:56:34 PM

"Weaslespit, it shows that the IRS was talking to The DOJ about their actions and the DOJ did nothing about these illegal acts."

So you didn't read the quotes from what was actually said - otherwise you would not have made such a factually inaccurate statement.
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 1:55:27 PM

"asel, you have any liberal groups that came forward during that time to say they were tested like conservative groups were?"

From what I can recall over the course of the past year, conservative group audits lasted a few months longer...
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 1:47:53 PM

Weasel, you have any liberal groups that came forward during that time to say they were tested like conservative groups were?
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Weaslespit, "Oops. There's that factually inaccurate statement again - conservative groups were not the 'only' groups audited..."

You are right, there WERE two or three liberal groups.

btw, we are NOT talking about "auditing", Weaslespit... ooops! there's that FACTUALLY INACCURATE statement again from you.

ROTFL

We are talking about approval of tax exempt status NOT auditing.

And you KNOW that you are just repeating the favorite liberal talking point to try to dismiss all charges against the corrupt IRS and pretend that they were even handed.

You KNOW that is false to its core.

Tell us, Weaslespit, since you are trying to make us believe that you know all about this.

Tell us, HOW MANY liberal groups had their tax exempt status delayed or denied vs how many conservative groups.

Give us the exact numbers, Weaslespit.'

And give us some proof to back up your claims.

We will wait for you to edumacate us ignorant conservatives.

ROTFL

NUMBERS Weaslespit.



[Edited by: AnotherOne at 4/17/2014 1:45:08 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 12:59:47 PM

Weaslespit, it shows that the IRS was talking to The DOJ about their actions and the DOJ did nothing about these illegal acts.

But there is not a smidgen of corruption here, is there?
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"Just the IRS targeting OBNLY conservative groups and getting the Department of INjustice and Eric "The Lawless Lawman" Holder to go after them."

Oops. There's that factually inaccurate statement again - conservative groups were not the 'only' groups audited...

"Nothing to see here.

Move along Weaslespit."

There is plenty to see here - the Right just doesn't want to see the full picture. They only want to see what confirms their POV...
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 12:56:52 PM

"From mudtoe's link:"

And you wonder why I keep pointing out that you are wearing tin foil hats... Y'all love to connect the dots to create the picture you wish to see.

"And you wonder why you don't get responses to your "questions"."

Sorry, but I know why you can't respond when your opinions are challenged ;)
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 12:54:15 PM

"Just remember, it was limited to just a few overzealous staffers in Cincinnati."

And now where did I say that? I have actually placed quite a bit of blame within the IRS...
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 10:21:42 AM

"And what conspiracy does this show again?"

Yes, you are right. Just remember, it was limited to just a few overzealous staffers in Cincinnati.
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 9:24:22 AM

Weasle: "And what conspiracy does this show again? "

From mudtoe's link:
>>Lerner wrote in a May 8, 2013 email to former Nikole C. Flax, who was former-Acting IRS Commissioner Steven T. Miller's chief of staff.

"I think we should do it – also need to include CI [Criminal Investigation Division], which we can help coordinate. Also, we need to reach out to FEC. Does it make sense to consider including them in this or keep it separate?"<<

Like A1 said, move along now, weaslespit. You are engaging again in "begging the question".

And you wonder why you don't get responses to your "questions".
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""Emails Show Lois Lerner Was in Contact With DOJ About Prosecuting Tax Exempt Groups"

Weaslespit, "And what conspiracy does this show again?""

Nothing to see here.

Move along Weaslespit.

Just the IRS targeting OBNLY conservative groups and getting the Department of INjustice and Eric "The Lawless Lawman" Holder to go after them.

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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 8:26:14 AM

"Emails Show Lois Lerner Was in Contact With DOJ About Prosecuting Tax Exempt Groups"

And what conspiracy does this show again?
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 12:19:40 AM

This has gone from the IRS telling congress that the accusations of improper conduct were faults. To the IRS admitting at press conference that the IRS had improperly targeted conservative groups, blaming two lowly officials in Cincinnati with the President stating that those responsible will be held accountable, the FBI/DOJ start an investigation but the head of the FBI doesn’t know how many men are on the investigation and doesn’t know if the victims have even been interviewed, to it was going on in several cities but we didn’t know about it, to we knew about it but stopped it, to top official knew about it and taking the fifth, a congressman calling the investigation a partisan show only to find out he was asking for the same information from the IRS as the DOJ. And the same IRS official taking the fifth a second time.

What part of this inspires any confidence in our government?


That not counting the parts I missed or left out.
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EXCELLENT information, mudtoe!

The most corrupt administration in the history of the United States.

And corruption even to the point of not not prosecuting corruption.

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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2014 11:58:07 PM

You know, my only criticism of the current administration had been that they have appeared to simply sat on their hands in regards to this. I would have called tying the IRS scandal to the Obama administration as an insane conspiracy charge just as recently as a month ago, however, now I find this extremely plausible after hearing some of these latest revelations.
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2014 11:52:37 PM

It is spilling over and yet there is "not a smidgen of corruption" in the IRS issue. ROFL...seems Holder is tied to a lot of very questionable activities. Yet the left will just keep giving him a free pass.
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2014 10:32:32 PM

Looks like the trail has spilled out from the IRS to the DOJ and a democrat Senator now.

Emails Show Lois Lerner Was in Contact With DOJ About Prosecuting Tax Exempt Groups

I guess if you are a democrat Senator you can just tell DOJ that you want your political opponents prosecuted and the DOJ dutifully picks up the phone, calls Lois at the IRS and asks for a list of conservatives groups they can go after.

This sure has come a long way from two rogue clerks in the Cincinnati office. It's sure a lot closer now to the Oval Office now than it is to the clerks' cubicles in the Federal Building at 6th & Main streets in downtown Cincinnati.....

Guess we now have another reason why the DOJ has no intention of doing anything about this because they were involved themselves.


mudtoe



[Edited by: mudtoe at 4/16/2014 10:35:22 PM EST]
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"Are you STILL claiming that the Supreme Court forced the IRS to go after conservative groups?"

Are you STILL trying to put words in people's mouths? Quite an MO you got running there...

"Did ANY of the emails from Lois Lerner claim that this is due to the Supreme Court? Why didn't the Supreme Court force the IRS to target liberal groups?"

Please read the link that I posted earlier since you clearly are missing the connection as to the ramifications and unintended consequences the Citizens United ruling has had...
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Weaslespit, "Again - Nobody is saying that what the IRS did was right, but where is the evidence linking Obama? Where?

Placing blame on him and no on the SC as the source of this mess is to not see the entire picture due to a jaded POV. Politics blinds so many to the truth..."

Are you STILL claiming that the Supreme Court forced the IRS to go after conservative groups?

Did ANY of the emails from Lois Lerner claim that this is due to the Supreme Court? Why didn't the Supreme Court force the IRS to target liberal groups?
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johnnyg, "I don’t know why conservatives would have a problem giving that kind of information to the IRS. It’s not like the information would end up in the hands of ProPublica or anything like that."

I KNOW, johnnyg!

What could be bad about that?!

Now, on the other hand, if it was CONSERVATIVES running the IRS and every other government bureaucracy, THEN we would have reason to FEAR!

You know how bigoted and hateful and DANGEROUS those CONSERVATIVES are.

ROTFL

Good one, johnnyg!

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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 8:06:35 PM

I don’t know why conservatives would have a problem giving that kind of information to the IRS. It’s not like the information would end up in the hands of ProPublica or anything like that.
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Now the IRS is demanding the complete list of Ron Paul's donors!

Who is this Ron Paul?

He must be one of those LIBERALS who the liberals around here dishonestly claim all the time that the IRS has gone after!

ROTFL

Ron Paul: Internal Revenue Service's demand that it reveal its donor list to the agency

"Ron Paul's nonprofit Campaign for Liberty will fight the Internal Revenue Service's demand that it reveal its donor list to the agency, despite having already been fined for refusing to do so.

Campaign for Liberty has refused to provide donor information to the IRS to protect the privacy of our members. Now the IRS has demanded the information and fined Campaign for Liberty for protecting its members’ privacy."

The jack booted Obama IRS is sending storm troopers across the country.



[Edited by: AnotherOne at 4/15/2014 6:13:42 PM EST]
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"As we get further into debt and our financial situation gets more precarious, expect to see a lot more of this sort of thing."

Are you really going to pretend that the IRS doesn't or hasn't done things like this in the distant past?

Please.

Perhaps if the tax wasn't so convoluted (and being made worse with each Citizens United type decision), we wouldn't need the IRS at all.
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 10:18:59 AM

I75 posted: ""In 1977, the federal government issued Mary’s mother too much money in social-security benefits. Because of this oversight — one of thousands in the federal government — Ms. Grice’s 2013 tax return was seized by the Treasury Department. Instead of receiving close to $5,000 on her tax return, Mary lost it all with no advance notice." I have a real problem with this transference. The law treats each person as an individual. You are not your brother's keeper, nor do you atone for your father's sins. Or your mother's SS overpayment."

--I agree. How is she responsible for this? And I thought the government only can go back 5 or 7 years anyway? I think if she took this to tax court, she would win it hands down. This is doubtless an illegal activity on their part.
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 10:14:56 AM

Seizing the tax refund of someone who was a child at the time of the original overpayment, and who had nothing to do with the situation, is pretty darn low, even for the IRS.

As we get further into debt and our financial situation gets more precarious, expect to see a lot more of this sort of thing.


mudtoe

[Edited by: mudtoe at 4/15/2014 10:15:13 AM EST]
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"They had their chance to settle up with Mary Grice's mother, and they missed that chance.
This is ridiculous."

Agreed, that is ridiculous...

"Oh, and will the weasel attack this post? He seems to feel obligated to attack everything I post. (FAIL in advance, weasel - you FAIL every other time you try to out-weasel my logic)"

I note your absolute refusal to refute anything I post regarding your misstatements. Pretty telling ;)
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 4:20:28 PM

The IRS is also targeting other groups. Such as descendants of anyone who might have been overpaid any federal benefits in the past.

Four years after her mother died, this woman is paying the IRS for a mistake she didn’t make

"In 1977, the federal government issued Mary’s mother too much money in social-security benefits. Because of this oversight — one of thousands in the federal government — Ms. Grice’s 2013 tax return was seized by the Treasury Department. Instead of receiving close to $5,000 on her tax return, Mary lost it all with no advance notice."

I have a real problem with this transference. The law treats each person as an individual. You are not your brother's keeper, nor do you atone for your father's sins. Or your mother's SS overpayment.

The federal government routinely pays out money to people who are not entitled to it. Illegal aliens filing tax returns and getting child care credits, doctors and others defrauding Medicare, the Ag Dept paying out farm subsidies to people who don't farm.......and the IRS comes down on people like Mary Grice?

The IRS would do well to tighten it's lax security on who it is currently sending "refunds" to and let bygones be bygones. They had their chance to settle up with Mary Grice's mother, and they missed that chance.
This is ridiculous.

Oh, and will the weasel attack this post? He seems to feel obligated to attack everything I post. (FAIL in advance, weasel - you FAIL every other time you try to out-weasel my logic)

[Edited by: I75at7AM at 4/14/2014 4:21:38 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2014 10:50:01 AM

"The cream rises to the top. So does the steam. (And the scum.....)
If 0bama's appointed underlings at the IRS are wan to accept responsibility for the program, and they pass the buck, that buck should end up at the desk in the 0val 0ffice.

So, to answer, they are linked at the top of the food chain."

So the answer is that there is none. Got it.

Strange though how the Right is defending Christie against his own improprieties though... the cream rises to the top, right?
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2014 10:10:01 AM

>>but where is the evidence linking 0bama? Where?<<

The cream rises to the top. So does the steam. (And the scum.....)
If 0bama's appointed underlings at the IRS are wan to accept responsibility for the program, and they pass the buck, that buck should end up at the desk in the 0val 0ffice.

So, to answer, they are linked at the top of the food chain.
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2014 9:53:45 AM

"0bama-defending Liberals may now slink away with tails tucked."

Again - Nobody is saying that what the IRS did was right, but where is the evidence linking Obama? Where?

Placing blame on him and no on the SC as the source of this mess is to not see the entire picture due to a jaded POV. Politics blinds so many to the truth...
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2014 9:49:30 AM

"Did you or did you not say that the Supreme Court (ruling) forced the IRS to break the law."

No, I did NOT say that the SC ruling "forced the IRS to break the law".

"So the IRS lied when they said that they targeted conservative groups?"

What tangent are you trying to go on now?
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