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mudtoe

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Message Posted: May 10, 2013 1:47:04 PM

IRS Admits Targeting Conservative Groups

From the article:

"The Internal Revenue Service inappropriately flagged conservative political groups for additional reviews during the 2012 election to see if they were violating their tax-exempt status, a top IRS official said Friday.

Organizations were singled out because they included the words "tea party" or "patriot" in their applications for tax-exempt status, said Lois Lerner, who heads the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt groups."

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Many conservative groups complained during the election that they were being harassed by the IRS. They accused the agency of frustrating their attempts to become tax exempt by sending them lengthy, intrusive questionnaires.

The forms, which the groups made available at the time, sought information about group members' political activities, including details of their postings on social networking websites and about family members.


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The IRS claimed that this was done by "low level" employees, and that there was no political motivation, or involvement by higher ups. Yea, right! Just by random chance some low level hourly employees got to work one morning and on a whim decided to randomly target certain non-profits, all of which just happened to be conservative, without any input or direction from their boss. But hey, there was no political motivation here and no higher ups knew about it. And just by chance their ultimate boss, Obama, was running for re-election, and just by even more random chance the groups they targeted were opposed to their boss. It's all just a series of wonderful coincidences here, that weren't orchestrated by anybody, no sir. Nothing to see here folks, it's just business at usual. Maybe these same people were the ones who on a whim changed the Benghazi talking points.


mudtoe


P.S. These same people will now have access to all your health information, and I'm sure that no health secrets about their bosses' political opponents will ever be leaked; nah, can't happen.





[Edited by: mudtoe at 5/10/2013 1:49:21 PM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2014 1:57:06 PM

"He will hold our country hostage until he gets his way and if something does not go his way he cries to the press."

So you haven't been following Boehner much, I see.

"Yep, you are right. He won't negotiate anything. He will hold our country hostage until he gets his way..."

An unfortunate reaction to similar actions from the Tea Partiers. If they aren't going to budge, why should he? He took a beating for giving-in to their demands 2 years ago...
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2014 1:54:46 PM

"Why did it have to be raised?"

Really?

"Not raising the debt ceiling would not force us to not pay the debt."

Wow - that was a lot of 'not's'... What you meant to say was;

'Not raising the debt ceiling would not force us to pay the debt.'

Using the debt ceiling as a tool to force the government to pay debt is bass-ackwards and guaranteed to fail, just like the threat of Sequestration failed to create any proactive action... That money was already spent. Perhaps if 4-8 years ago we had been more conservative with funds, it wouldn't have been necessary.
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2014 10:13:54 AM

"Obama wouldn't engage in quid pro quo..."

Yep, you are right. He won't negotiate anything. He will hold our country hostage until he gets his way and if something does not go his way he cries to the press. There is no give and take with Obama...just take, take, take. Look how the government got shut down because he did not want to delay ObamaCare. Then a few weeks later what does Obama do with the stroke of a pen? He delays ObamaCare. That temper tantrum of his caused our government to shut down....period!
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2014 8:56:07 AM

According to J. Russell George, the Treasury inspector general for tax administration, 1,150 IRS employees who owed back taxes received bonuses from the IRS.

Could they be the ones who were harassing conservative groups? <<rimshot>>
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2014 11:57:31 AM

Weaslespit, "What is there to negotiate? It HAD to be raised. Period."

Why did it have to be raised? Obama campaigned AGAINST raising the debt ceiling. He called it irresponsible and unpatriotic.

Not raising the debt ceiling would not force us to not pay the debt. Congress would have to do their job and decide what spending could be reasonably cut (not closing the privately funded Mount Vernon for show) in order to start to get our books in order.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2014 9:32:14 AM

"spit being a weasle again, spitting out both sides of his mouth? would that be right and left, or left and right?"

Nah, just making sure that both sides receive their share of the blame - rather than wearing blinders and pretending that this is a one-sided problem...
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2014 9:14:09 AM

"If previous transgressions by higher-ups at the IRS rankled you, this will really burn your toast:"

Dang, you beat me to it.

From the article:

"The report from the Treasury Inspecter General for Tax Administration found 1,146 performance awards were given to IRS employees who had tax conduct issues, which included "willful understatement of tax liabilities over multiple tax years, late payment of tax liabilities, and underreporting of income.""
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2014 9:05:10 AM

"No, I mean when Obama said he is refusing to negotiate on the debt limit. It was Obama that caused our credit rating to go down and it was Obama that retaliated against S&P for lowering the our credit rating."

What is there to negotiate? It HAD to be raised. Period. The Tea Partiers held that Bill hostage in the House and caused the credit rating to go down because Obama wouldn't engage in quid pro quo...
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2014 9:03:23 AM

"for pointing out that it was the Tea Party that wanted to rein in spending and the Democrats who wanted to continue to mortgage our children's and grandchildren's future."

Nah, that was already done under Bush and his egregious spending - or have you forgotten about his wars?

The point here, since I know you will miss it, is not to simply target a GOP'er, but rather point out that BOTH sides have a spending problem.
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2014 8:38:23 AM

If previous transgressions by higher-ups at the IRS rankled you, this will really burn your toast:

IRS gives bonuses to workers cited for misconduct

"A new report shows the Internal Revenue Service routinely gave bonuses and time off awards to tax agency workers who had been disciplined internally for job-related misconduct, which included fraud, misuse of government credit cards and the failure to properly pay their federal taxes to Uncle Sam."

The time-old question: Who watches the watchmen?
Indeed.
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2014 8:09:49 AM

spit being a weasle again, spitting out both sides of his mouth? would that be right and left, or left and right?
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2014 7:56:28 AM

Weaslespit, "You mean when the Tea Partiers held our nations credit rating hostage and would support raising the debt limit without engaging in quid pro quo? Do what we want or else (and Obama eventually caved)? How did that work out in 2012?"

No, I mean when Obama said he is refusing to negotiate on the debt limit. It was Obama that caused our credit rating to go down and it was Obama that retaliated against S&P for lowering the our credit rating.

There will be a lawsuit over the retaliation.
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2014 10:06:23 AM



Weaselspit, " would support raising the debt limit without engaging in quid pro quo?"

I think that was supposed to be "would NOT support raising the debt limit".

It is about time that this country stops the Community Organizer from his insane out of control spending!

We NEED to put a limit on spending.

So thank you, Weaslespit, for pointing out that it was the Tea Party that wanted to rein in spending and the Democrats who wanted to continue to mortgage our children's and grandchildren's future.

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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2014 9:59:04 AM

"Wait a minute, isn't that what Obama did with ObamaCare?"

To a certain degree, I am sure he did. It is what most of our elected officials seem to do these days...

"Wait, he also did that with the budget, trying to shut down things like Mt. Vernon which is privately funded, etc."

You mean when the Tea Partiers held our nations credit rating hostage and would support raising the debt limit without engaging in quid pro quo? Do what we want or else (and Obama eventually caved)? How did that work out in 2012?
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2014 5:28:00 AM

"" torpedoing policy and reducing debate to a 'take my ball and go home' display of childish tantrums..."

Wait a minute, isn't that what Obama did with ObamaCare?"

Wait, he also did that with the budget, trying to shut down things like Mt. Vernon which is privately funded, etc.
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2014 10:39:20 PM

>>But Seriously, Just How Slow-Witted is John Boehner?<<
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He is taking the 'high road' to oblivion. Meanwhile, those who truly care about the rule of law and the US Constitution languish from the void of leadership from a majority of our elected officials. His lack of action only fuels the frustration of those who care about the massive loss of liberty and the disregard for the Constitution.
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2014 6:24:30 PM



"But Seriously, Just How Slow-Witted is John Boehner?"

Almost as slow witted as every liberal out there!

SMH

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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2014 6:21:53 PM

The ignorance here is astounding. John Boehner is a face pawn.
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2014 6:04:12 PM

" torpedoing policy and reducing debate to a 'take my ball and go home' display of childish tantrums..."

Wait a minute, isn't that what Obama did with ObamaCare?
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2014 4:38:28 PM

"But Seriously, Just How Slow-Witted is John Boehner?"

Slow-witted enough to let the Tea Partiers run amok and unchecked for 3 years, torpedoing policy and reducing debate to a 'take my ball and go home' display of childish tantrums...
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Op-Ed piece, Boehner has a golden opportunity to put a whammy down on the IRS and so far, no action. Issa's committee hearings notwithstanding, there needs to be a republican leadership response and plan of action.

But Seriously, Just How Slow-Witted is John Boehner?
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2014 11:35:09 AM

johnny: "If you noticed, neither Mudtoe nor I mentioned a party. "


Correct. Both parties do it, which is why it won't stop, and why we won't ever have a flat tax (unless it's IN ADDITION TO the current income tax). The only miniscule chance would be as a result of a Constitutional Convention, but even there ratification of say an Amendment abolishing the income tax and replacing it with a flat tax would be up to the various state legislatures; and what are the state legislatures composed of but minor league politicians just waiting for their chance to try out for the majors in D.C. Therefore, it's really unlikely that they would ever vote to neuter their future power.


mudtoe

[Edited by: mudtoe at 4/21/2014 11:36:27 AM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2014 11:29:39 AM

"More freebies for more votes, more takers, higher taxes, bigger government, producers flee."

Sorry johnny, but this is a direct shot at the Left. If you missed that - yikes.
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>>>>>>LOL - I love the fact that somebody is trying to use this as propaganda for 'their side'.

News flash - BOTH parties would be made very uncomfortable with this...<<<<<<<<

If you noticed, neither Mudtoe nor I mentioned a party. Both sides do it and it needs to be stopped. I don't like big corporate welfare any more than I like individual welfare.
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"More freebies for more votes, more takers, higher taxes, bigger government, producers flee. I wonder if this is how Mr. Murdoch felt on the bridge of the Titanic when he finally saw the iceberg dead ahead, knowing what the turning radius of the ship was."

LOL - I love the fact that somebody is trying to use this as propaganda for 'their side'.

News flash - BOTH parties would be made very uncomfortable with this...
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2014 6:45:15 AM

where's the media firestorm over this?
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2014 8:04:56 PM

johnny: " But that idea would never fly because the tax code is a tool used to by votes."


Precisely. We are locked into a death spiral that we can't escape from. More freebies for more votes, more takers, higher taxes, bigger government, producers flee. I wonder if this is how Mr. Murdoch felt on the bridge of the Titanic when he finally saw the iceberg dead ahead, knowing what the turning radius of the ship was.


mudtoe
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2014 7:40:26 AM

johnnyg, and all those thousands of IRS employees will have to find new jobs!
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2014 2:52:11 PM

>>>>>>>>>OR we can just get rid of all of this nonsense, including the IRS, and simplify the tax code.<<<<<<<<


I agree. Flat tax no deductions everyone pays the same percentage. If you make 100 dollars you pay 5. If you make 1,000 you pay 50 and so on. But that idea would never fly because the tax code is a tool used to by votes. I also think all taxes should be listed on every product. That way the public has a better understanding of just how much they are paying.

Disclaimer. 5% is just a number off the top of my head so don't get hung up on it.


[Edited by: johnnyg1200 at 4/19/2014 2:54:12 PM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2014 2:31:32 PM

"Plus, the IRS is key to ObamaCare.

So how could they get rid of it."

Wow - what an incredibly narrow view. Yikes.
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2014 1:55:00 PM



Plus, the IRS is key to ObamaCare.

So how could they get rid of it.

Wait, if the IRS collapses, ObamaCare ...... hmmmmmm?

GET RID OF THE IRS!

ROTFL

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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2014 11:59:07 AM

Weasel: <<<"OR we can just get rid of all of this nonsense, including the IRS, and simplify the tax code.">>>

--Never in a million years, the IRS is the tool of government to utilize for social engineering, to harass political enemies, to provide a conduit through which some can be shown favor, as well as a huge bureaucracy from which the federal government can slush funds. History has shown that the tax code only becomes more and more complex, as the years go by, to execute the above endeavors.

A flat tax is fair to all, but would and could obviously never happen. (Well, at least until after the economy implodes in the not too distant future)
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2014 10:45:12 AM

"Now, you have to ask yourself, why would the IRS need the ability to indiscriminately track where citizens drive?"

If you claim your vehicle is used for work purposes... Seems like an easy way to cheat the system right now since the IRS can't prove otherwise.

OR we can just get rid of all of this nonsense, including the IRS, and simplify the tax code.
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Message Posted: Apr 18, 2014 6:14:52 PM

Thought it was interesting that the IRS was investing in license plate tracking technology, like what the police use. Now, you have to ask yourself, why would the IRS need the ability to indiscriminately track where citizens drive? What do you think the odds are that IRS owned cars equipped with this technology would be spending an inordinate amount of time in parking lots when and where Tea Party meetings were being held?


mudtoe


IRS Among Agencies Using License Plate-Tracking Vendor





[Edited by: mudtoe at 4/18/2014 6:15:05 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 6:29:44 PM

I75: "You go with Snowden, then. "


I think Snowden pretty much laid his cards in the table today by being a shill for Putin.


mudtoe
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 4:30:34 PM

"Desperate, Weasle.

Desperate."

Yes, you are.
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"An "IRS audit" does not mean a group applying for tax exempt status."

Weaslespit, "Just as I thought, you are unable to make the distinction. I called it."

"Somebody" is unable to!

Desperate, Weasle.

Desperate.

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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 4:22:14 PM

"You go with Snowden, then."

Why? You are the one who appears to disagree with the doctrine this country was founded on... Better pack your parka.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 4:21:10 PM

"All applications are supposed to be investigated for tax exemption. However the question remains how many liberal groups that applied for tax exempt status face additional scrutiny that the conservative groups faced? You know, the kind where they gave them unapproved questionnaires that asked questions about who donated to their organization, who their guest speakers were, etc, etc. I will help you with it...none has come forward to this day. Those questionnaires were only given to conservative groups. They were specifically targeted based on their political agenda which makes this a scandal, period."

Yes, and I don't disagree with what you have posted here. Unfortunately the IRS reacted poorly to the Citizens United ruling.

"Now is Obama linked to it? Considering it was first only a small group of individuals in Ohio that were connected to it and has now moved to connect the Holder and the even a Senator I would say it is getting a heck of a lot closer and Obama and his friends are probably starting to feel the heat. Did he direct it? I do not know but I am fairly sure he knew it was going on."

Yet when the same 'logic' is applied to Gov. Christie, the Right comes running to his defense saying the same things that the 'crazy Left' says in these tin-foil hat threads...
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 4:18:11 PM

You go with Snowden, then.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 4:17:15 PM

"EZ, you'll need some links (and not to wacko-right-wing sources like Fox News) to support your conspiracy theory allegations. You'll need to clearly show a steaming trail of smoking guns pointing up Pennsylvania Avenue. You'll need verified sworn testimony of trustworthy people. Short of all that, there is no way that some people around here will ever believe that higher-ups in the 0bama Administration had anything to do with the effort to stymie Tea party groups' tax-exempt applications."

That's exactly right. If you don't like it, you can move to a different Country where facts and what can be proven matter little ;)

I would suggest Russia.
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 4:16:11 PM

"The amount of scrutiny given to applicants was solely based on the political posture of the applicant, a violation of civil rights. Even the government itself cannot treat its citizens with preference to one class over another. Unless you can dispute this fact and constitutional right, you cannot successfully argue that no government impropriety occurred."

I do not disagree with this.

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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 4:14:39 PM

"An "IRS audit" does not mean a group applying for tax exempt status."

Just as I thought, you are unable to make the distinction. I called it.

"Well, take your tin hat OFF."

When I became a man, I did away with childish things. Time for you to put away your hat as well ;)
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 3:56:03 PM

"Feel free to call them whatever you want - it is an investigation to determine said group qualifies for said exemption. Why are you playing with semantics? I hope not to gain credibility..."

All applications are supposed to be investigated for tax exemption. However the question remains how many liberal groups that applied for tax exempt status face additional scrutiny that the conservative groups faced? You know, the kind where they gave them unapproved questionnaires that asked questions about who donated to their organization, who their guest speakers were, etc, etc. I will help you with it...none has come forward to this day. Those questionnaires were only given to conservative groups. They were specifically targeted based on their political agenda which makes this a scandal, period.

Now is Obama linked to it? Considering it was first only a small group of individuals in Ohio that were connected to it and has now moved to connect the Holder and the even a Senator I would say it is getting a heck of a lot closer and Obama and his friends are probably starting to feel the heat. Did he direct it? I do not know but I am fairly sure he knew it was going on.
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 3:53:37 PM

EZ, you'll need some links (and not to wacko-right-wing sources like Fox News) to support your conspiracy theory allegations. You'll need to clearly show a steaming trail of smoking guns pointing up Pennsylvania Avenue. You'll need verified sworn testimony of trustworthy people. Short of all that, there is no way that some people around here will ever believe that higher-ups in the 0bama Administration had anything to do with the effort to stymie Tea party groups' tax-exempt applications. If all that is never proven in court, the 0bama-apologists will smugly walk away claiming a "victory" and all will be well and normal in Washington DC.

And that would be a very sad day for America.
I say Issa should subpoena everyone and everything, and send in the US Marshall service to seize the records if they are not turned over, unredacted, in a forthright manner. Anyone who has obstructed Justice should be prosecuted. If the inJustice Department won't do it, a Special Prosecutor should.

[Edited by: I75at7AM at 4/17/2014 3:54:38 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 3:41:54 PM

The amount of scrutiny given to applicants was solely based on the political posture of the applicant, a violation of civil rights. Even the government itself cannot treat its citizens with preference to one class over another. Unless you can dispute this fact and constitutional right, you cannot successfully argue that no government impropriety occurred.

Now we are finding that there were additionally more tentacles to this cancer in our government that reached into the DOJ and one ranking congressional member, and discovery is still just barely beginning. It's no wonder that Cummings works so hard to derail the process, that the DOJ isn't working on straightening this out, and Lerner is avoiding incriminating herself and seeking immunity.

Like I said earlier, I am no longer thinking that this was a little stink in an obscure office, this is more along the lines of Watergate, as rocks get turned over and roaches scurry, this appears like it could go easily all the way to Obama's feet.
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 3:30:47 PM


Try to spin it all you want, Weaslespit, when you are caught in your dishonesty.

An "IRS audit" does not mean a group applying for tax exempt status.

Everyone knows that.

Well, let me take that back.

Obviously some person does NOT know it.

SMH

Weaslespit, "we are back to putting our tin hats back on"

Well, take your tin hat OFF.

SMH



[Edited by: AnotherOne at 4/17/2014 3:31:58 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 3:25:55 PM

"AND they were NOT AUDITS and you know it."

It is sad that you are not kidding... Said group applies for a tax exemption, said application is reviewed. In many instances, additional information was required.

For your edification;

Audit: a methodical examination and review

"You were simply trying to distract attention from what was really done by the Obama IRS."

And rather than discuss the actual issues, we are back to putting our tin hats back on and linking this issue to Obama. Where are you facts?
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 3:14:52 PM



First of all, Weasle, you have supplied NO numbers.

We will wait for your numbers since you made the claim.

AND they were NOT AUDITS and you know it.

You were simply trying to distract attention from what was really done by the Obama IRS.

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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 3:06:55 PM

"Are you serious?

You really think that covers your attempts at dishonesty?"

Nope. It proves your statement erroneous, however.

"And you KNOW that they are NOT "audits"."

Feel free to call them whatever you want - it is an investigation to determine said group qualifies for said exemption. Why are you playing with semantics? I hope not to gain credibility...

"We are waiting for your numbers of how MANY liberal groups vs conservative groups."

And I have already indicated that the IRS failed in regards to their investigations into this exemption status. Feel free to peruse previous links I have supplied... The IRS failed - unfortunately they were given the chance to fail due to the Citizens United ruling. This could just as easily failed to the other extreme with more Liberal groups facing longer 'audits' than Conservative ones... The point is that without the SC ruling, neither would have been possible - hence the root cause.
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