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RNorm

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Message Posted: May 10, 2013 11:34:13 AM

"January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.

June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al Qaeda attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.

October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of "Bali Bombings." No fatalities.

February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.

May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al Qaeda terrorists storm the diplomatic compound, killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.

July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.

December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al Qaeda terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.

March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name "David Foy." This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what's considered American soil.)

September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting "Allahu akbar" storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.

January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.

March 18, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaeda-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.

July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.

September 17, 2008. Sana'a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months."



No hearings, no outrage, not a peep; diddly squat!! The things that make you go Hmmm! SMH
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owt
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 8:03:02 PM

WHO DIED???
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Message Posted: May 21, 2013 2:29:51 PM

You knew 'zactly where I was going with that, btc. lol
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btc1
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Message Posted: May 21, 2013 2:25:48 PM

It is the lack of morals, plastic...
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: May 21, 2013 12:57:44 PM

Regardless of what was or was not done during the attack and after the attack the real problem I have is no one knows who ignored the CIA warning that the security situation was getting worse. No one knows who refused the repeated requests for more security. No one knows who made the decision to pull the existing security out.

We can argue about the decisions made during and after the attack. The idea of whether or not help could have made it there is academic because the help was never sent and we will never know what would have happened if we had.

I want the person who made the decision to pull the security to be working in the next diplomatic outpost in Iraq.
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Message Posted: May 21, 2013 10:38:58 AM

Well I hope he's having a good time. Socialist girls put out! lol
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RNorm
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Message Posted: May 21, 2013 12:14:44 AM

"Says that there will be "local and regional events from May 1 thru early June".

He may be pretty busy."


*ROTFL*!!!!


I shouldn't be laughing, but that was funny...LOL


Forgive me Stevie...I do hope you're ok...
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urban_dweller
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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 11:19:50 PM

Plastic: "Where is Steve anyway?"

I've been curious myself. I checked the Socialist Party USA website and this year is their "40th Anniversary of the Reconstitution of the Socialist Party as the Socialist Party USA" celebration. Says that there will be "local and regional events from May 1 thru early June".

He may be pretty busy.

[Edited by: urban_dweller at 5/20/2013 11:21:22 PM EST]
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plastic
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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 10:49:05 PM

Woah, kia! That was a zinger! Lol

Norm, I'm not liking today's news in Oklahoma. Devastating. Hopefully SS won't start another global warming topic about it. Where is Steve anyway? Is he doing alright?
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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 7:09:32 PM

Truly amazing that the leader of our country knows absolutely nothing I'm glad he gets some information from the press!
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RNorm
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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 6:51:45 PM

"Yeah, I never got to finish showing RN how he was cherry picking... didn't seem important any more"


Yeah, I guess I'm going to have to check my twitter feed again to find some real news for us to debate...LOL

*wink*
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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 3:04:08 PM

>"It does kind of deflate what was a lively and fairly friendly debate."

Yeah, I never got to finish showing RN how he was cherry picking... didn't seem important any more :P
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 3:02:24 PM

"I don't consider myself any more connected to the mods than anyone else. However, I do see the "Report Abuse" link just like anyone else. But prior to this weekend I don't think I have ever used it. In this instance, though, it did seem appropriate. I am not sure either side of any argument gains much positive traction when being 'supported' by such person as that."

It does kind of deflate what was a lively and fairly friendly debate.
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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 2:40:03 PM

Yeah but you have one and I don't...

:D
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gax
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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 2:38:45 PM

"I just thought you had closer contact, gax. Sorry for the assumption."

Don't let the big flashy red limo with the trailing speed lines give you any false impression of high connections. :)
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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 12:07:19 PM

I actually didn't use the report abuse link because I figured it had been pounded enough over the weekend. I didn't think it was necessary to send a facebook message or IM to any mod, since everyone seemed to be ignoring the troll or having a little fun poking at him. I just thought you had closer contact, gax. Sorry for the assumption.
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gax
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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 11:50:30 AM

"It was pure speculation. Since I hadn't seen you around here, I figured some event must have caught you attention and you came to see for yourself."

No. Though not saying anything, I have been following this thread out of my own curiosity long before Bunyan made his way onto the thread this weekend. I don't frequent the political area normally, so previous to this instance, I was not aware of his apparent previous history.

"Also, you and I both have a direct contact to someone who can put a cleanup into effect. I just figured that you may have made that call."

I don't consider myself any more connected to the mods than anyone else. However, I do see the "Report Abuse" link just like anyone else. But prior to this weekend I don't think I have ever used it. In this instance, though, it did seem appropriate. I am not sure either side of any argument gains much positive traction when being 'supported' by such person as that.
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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 11:31:03 AM

>"Its a hate driven obsession..."

And very sick.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 11:24:36 AM

""People get in spats but this is past being far from being over the top. It is not normal behavior and it says a lot about "the person.""


Its a hate driven obsession...
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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 11:24:30 AM

>"Not sure what my appearance here has anything to do with that."

It was pure speculation. Since I hadn't seen you around here, I figured some event must have caught you attention and you came to see for yourself. Also, you and I both have a direct contact to someone who can put a cleanup into effect. I just figured that you may have made that call.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 11:20:04 AM

"How you act reflects on how you are."

Exactly. It is not behavior I can ever condone. People get in spats but this is past being far from being over the top. It is not normal behavior and it says a lot about "the person."
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gax
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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 11:06:31 AM

"Oh hey, gax! I guess this means that we'll be getting a Victoria Day mod visit and cleanup soon."

Not sure what my appearance here has anything to do with that.
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 10:57:22 AM

Bunyon, "Wassamatter nstrdenster, don't like it when people act like a Libtard?"

How you act reflects on how you are.

How have you been acting lately?
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RNorm
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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 10:57:19 AM

Here's the deal.

What I find disturbing is the disparity of responses to similar attacks. What I was taught in school is that an American Embassy and/or consulate is akin to American soil. So an attack on such a facility is in essence launching an attack here on the homefront. And it should go without saying that when an American is killed in such an attack, it should be a national outrage.

In these 13 instances that I cited, I've seen continual dismissals (i.e., no americans were killed; or it didn't last that long, etc.), when in fact they're all attacks against american soil; some resulting in the loss of American lives.

Over the past several months, as I've seen and read the news, the varying points of contention from "the Benghazi Cheerleaders" (i.e., GOP congressional members who were in congress for the duration of Bush's term and now Obama's term) have ranged from "we need to learn how to prevent this from happening" to "we owe it to those killed to respond"; etc., none of which was voiced in response to the prior attacks. Even in here, we're parsing whether the person was an official diplomat, how long the attack lasted and what group attacked the compound, etc.

I remember when the 233 or so Marines were killed in Beirut, and that there was none of what we now see here...I also remember that the right has branded Carter weak for the failed mission to rescue the hostages (at least he did try), but laud Reagan as strong (when in fact Reagan was negotiating with terrorists himself; i.e., Iran Contra).

I see much a lot of the Benghazi bluster being articulated through the same partisan prism, with people claiming "proof" of a cover-up from emails, and then dismissing the same emails when they're proven to have been doctored, but still holding on to the cover-up contention; so not much really has changed.

It is what it is.

[Edited by: RNorm at 5/20/2013 10:58:39 AM EST]
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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 10:51:13 AM

Oh hey, gax! I guess this means that we'll be getting a Victoria Day mod visit and cleanup soon.
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gax
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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 10:31:22 AM

"They're both Americans (which was the point I was making)..."

If the point of your OP was to be that there was no similar outrage on American deaths in previous attacks, why then would you list 13 attacks in which 10 of them involved NO AMERICAN deaths? Only 3 of the 13 attacks listed in the OP involved any Americans. And only one of them (May 12, 2003 in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia) involved more American deaths than were killed in Benghazi. So I don't think American deaths were really your point.

Of course, ANY innocent deaths are outrageous. But I will reiterate what several others on this post have tried to explain. The current outrage and resulting investigations are not simply about there being an attack resulting in deaths (American or otherwise) at an American diplomatic facility. Its about the very serious questions arising about this administration's actions before, during and after this attack. That is the difference here that you refuse to see or acknowledge.
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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 10:13:15 AM

>"You just keep making this less and less relevant to Benghazi, with every false response."

RNorm had already been shown how this post was not relevant to Benghazi. I'd suggest that he put down the shovel so as not to keep digging his hole any deeper.
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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 10:07:38 AM

"They're both Americans (which was the point I was making)...or are you saying that your death only matters if you're a high ranking official?"

Norm, there is no difference between one terrorist attack and another. Is that what you wanted to hear?

What the difference is on this one is that the Obama Administration decided that they needed to make it appear like it wasn't a terrorist attack. The only logical conclusion is they were doing that to cover something up or to try to score political points and that is what is unacceptable.
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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 10:05:21 AM

"These verbal weekend attacks should be bannable much quicker. His comments have no place in normal human discourse. Maybe in a maximum security prison but not here."

I remember the first tirade like this on the boards that I saw and I was wondering why they were not banned immediately and the comments removed. Then one of the mods posted something about them not being here all the time and if they do not check in on a weekend this can happen. Seems like someone else knew about the same thing...

[Edited by: AFSNCO at 5/20/2013 10:06:49 AM EST]
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urban_dweller
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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 8:41:59 AM

You were specifically asked when the last "U.S. Ambassador" was killed, not when the last American was killed.

C'mon, you're better than this, RNorm. If you were really talking about the last American killed, you would have referenced the Sep 17, 2008 incident.

You just keep making this less and less relevant to Benghazi, with every false response.

Based on the media's continuing pursuit of the truth surrounding Benghazi, it looks like you very likely need another topic of obfuscation; this one isn't working for you.

[Edited by: urban_dweller at 5/20/2013 8:49:23 AM EST]
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RNorm
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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 7:46:54 AM

"U.S. Ambassador = Facilities Maintenance Officer ????"


They're both Americans (which was the point I was making)...or are you saying that your death only matters if you're a high ranking official?

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btc1
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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 6:44:26 AM

John, I have never hidden anything, but, you just made sure you exposed yourself, if they did not get it from my post! See, it really is egotism.
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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 6:18:46 AM

"When was the last U. S. Ambassador killed, RNorm? "

RNorm: "Um, there was something to that effect in the OP:

March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. "

David Foy, aged 52, was a "facilities maintenance officer".

U.S. Ambassador = Facilities Maintenance Officer ????

Um, ok, if you say so, RNorm.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 1:57:36 AM

"When was the last U. S. Ambassador killed, RNorm? "


Um, there was something to that effect in the OP:

March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers.
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Message Posted: May 19, 2013 10:42:18 PM

These other attacks were not Benghazi-type attacks. The attacks did not last for 7 or 8 hours. Help was not requested and denied.

When was the last U. S. Ambassador killed, RNorm?
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Message Posted: May 19, 2013 8:22:29 PM

Oh, is that it? Your wife finally left you? Too bad. Good for the kids, though.
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btc1
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Message Posted: May 19, 2013 6:38:47 PM

Here's the problem, ah John, Robert whatever moniker you have chosen, you want us to know. You make it abundantly clear. Murphy's law, eh. Stupid is as stupid does.
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Message Posted: May 19, 2013 4:13:09 PM

Hmm. Can't say that I disagree with your observation of wf.
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Message Posted: May 19, 2013 3:16:22 PM

"I am a staunch conservative and find your conduct beyond offensive and a throwback to the days when man still found fire fascinating as a form of evening entertainment. "

Nice.
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Message Posted: May 19, 2013 1:49:35 PM

These verbal weekend attacks should be bannable much quicker. His comments have no place in normal human discourse. Maybe in a maximum security prison but not here.
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: May 19, 2013 12:51:01 PM

Another Obama supporter trying to distract people from Obama's sins?
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Message Posted: May 19, 2013 12:03:43 PM

Bunyon, I have had quite a few disagreements with RNorm and we have very different ideological views. Norm and I almost never are on the same side of any debate. But Norm has never been disrespectful to me and we have had some extremely good debates with each of us expressing our views in a civil manner. The hostility started when some of the trolls jumped in and high jacked the conversation.
If you want to attack someone why don’t you go and find one of the trolls from either side of the political spectrum, there are plenty of them.

I am a staunch conservative and find your conduct beyond offensive and a throwback to the days when man still found fire fascinating as a form of evening entertainment.
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Message Posted: May 19, 2013 11:56:08 AM

Fair Game to Disclose Names of Republicans Who Lied to ABC News


MADDOW: And now, part of the scandal here is a press scandal. You know what? When you get used like this and you end up publishing false information, false quotes, you have to correct it. But the bigger scandal here is not a process matter, not a press matter. There's a very stark fact that somebody in Congress right now, or somebody working for somebody in Congress right now, a staffer, concocted a big lie to try to make the White House look very desperately bad on this Benghazi scandal that they otherwise have not been able to get traction on.

Who told the lie? And a note to my journalist pals who got involved in this scandal. If your source lied to you, they are not actually a source. They are a con artist and you are their victim. It means you don't have to protect them any more. They're not a source.

When you get lied to, when you are a tool of somebody else's deception, when you get lied to, the person lying to you is no longer a source, they are news. Their lie to you is itself news and you can report that news. Republican Congressional offices shopped a false dossier as if it was a White House email. That is a story. The office and the staffers and the members of Congress maybe who did that... that is news. And if you know who it is, you can say so.




And if you were lied to and don't reveal your "source," that makes you complicit in the lie.

[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 5/19/2013 11:58:02 AM EST]
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Message Posted: May 19, 2013 8:35:14 AM

The Monday morning sun cleans out a lot of weekend dirt.
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Message Posted: May 18, 2013 11:27:36 PM

nst, this person is Pilgrim, TAFKTAP. The same person the right has whined about being unfairly treated here in the past. One would have to be blind to think that was true. These are his true colors on display. The best thing we could do is to ignore him. He will be gone soon enough.

[Edited by: jayrad1957 at 5/18/2013 11:29:41 PM EST]
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Message Posted: May 18, 2013 9:23:25 PM

John Bunyon, I am not a fan of RNorm, he would even tell you that. You are out of line with the name calling here.
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Message Posted: May 18, 2013 4:39:16 PM

the scandle is fake, ok, if it's fake why has obama and friends worked so hard to hide what happened. mabey the real scandle, is that so many refuse to hold obama accountable for anything. I'm beginning to think, that if obama came out and admitted to a cover up some of his supporters would still say, the gop forced him to.

All obama was worried about, when begahzi happened, was his re election, now all he is worried about is his precious legacy, and how history will look at him.
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Message Posted: May 18, 2013 2:47:38 PM

Btc1, Major Garrett's reporting which I believe you're referring to focused on the summaries of the Benghazi emails, whereas Bob Woodward was speaking directly to the released emails themselves. With so many scandals happening within the Obozo administration simultaneously, I can sympathize with your confusion.

As a sidenote, Major Garrett really pushed Carney to release the emails last Wednesday and was rebuffed three times:

"In a tense exchange Wednesday afternoon between Major Garrett of CBS News and White House spokesman Jay Carney, the White House refused to offer a straight answer to Garrett's repeated requests that the Administration release the full email chain surrounding the shaping of the CIA's Libya talking points.

Garrett asked Carney three times for an answer to a simple yes or no question. Each time Carney droned on and one with platitudes about how transparent the administration had been with respect to Benghazi. The first time Garrett reminded Carney to answer the question, Carney claimed he had forgotten the question had been asked. Then he launched into another meaningless monologue, which forced Garrett to ask for a third time.

Finally, Carney answered without answering, saying only that the White House is looking for ways to release more information that, apparently, could or not include the emails." White House refuses straight answer to request for Benghazi emails
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btc1
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Message Posted: May 18, 2013 1:37:12 PM

Bob Woodward is an old man trying to regain his glory days. Of course he wants it to be another scandal.

The problem is he said this before Major Garrett's report came out. Keep YOUR scandal going as long as you can. The American voter will see right through it.
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Message Posted: May 18, 2013 1:22:41 PM

Btc1 claims: "the scandal is a fake."

Bob Woodward, on the other hand, says: "It's a very serious issue."

"You were talking earlier about kind of dismissing the Benghazi issue as one that's just political and the president recently said it's a sideshow," said Woodward. "But if you read through all these e-mails, you see that everyone in the government is saying, 'Oh, let's not tell the public that terrorists were involved, people connected to al Qaeda. Let's not tell the public that there were warnings.' I hate to show, this is one of the documents with the editing that one of the people in the state department said, 'Oh, let's not let these things out.' And I have to go back 40 years to Watergate when Nixon put out his edited transcripts to the conversations, and he personally went through them and said, 'Oh, let's not tell this, let's not show this.' I would not dismiss Benghazi. It's a very serious issue. As people keep saying, four people were killed. You look at the hydraulic pressure that was in the system to not tell the truth, and, you know, we use this term and the government uses this term, talking points. Talking points, as we know, are like legal briefs. They're an argument on one side. What we need to get rid of talking point and they need to put out statements or papers that are truth documents. Okay, this is all we know." Woodword: " I would not dismiss Benghazi, similar to Watergate"

Bob Woodward read thru all the emails; Btc1 is apparently focused on only a single email out of a hundred.

Something else to think about is that the emails finally released by the Obozo administration weren't all the emails produced... the first email released was written 2 days after the Benghazi attack. Where are the missing emails, how many are there, and what is in them that is so damaging that they had to be suppressed? Kinda reminiscent of the 18 missing minutes of the Nixon tapes.
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Message Posted: May 18, 2013 1:18:07 PM

btc, is the scandal really fake? Do the emails not reveal an attempt by the left to make the attack seem like something it wasn't? Hasn't that been the claim the entire time that they had politicized the attack for the sake of a presidential campaign...the emails reveal exactly that and that is what the claim was and continues to be.
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