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flyboyUT

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Message Posted: May 1, 2013 4:15:24 PM



Haven't seen one single case where fracking has caused a health risk. But the luddite libs are still against it.
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>>>While New York Governor Andrew Cuomo vacillates on whether to allow fracking in New York State, a coterie of publicity savvy activists posing as public health experts are spearheading a disingenuous crusade to prevent the exploitation of the vast quantities of natural gas trapped in shale thousands of feet beneath New York’s Southern Tier. The leaders of this movement, millionaires with estates in natural gas-rich areas, have thus far successfully manipulated public opinion and the media by linking fracking to water and air pollution.

But fracking doesn’t pollute water or air. No documented instances of adverse health effects have been linked to fracking, nor have any occurrences of groundwater contamination been confirmed from the more than 1 million wells that have been hydraulically fractured over the past 50 years. Former EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson said as much last year when she was queried on this subject, and her former boss, President Obama, supports hydraulic fracturing.<<<

Yet these people continue to lie and harm others - for purely political reasons. And few if any liberals will call them out on it.
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Sep 19, 2014 2:05:25 AM

Maybe Krauthammer can diagnose what ever is wrong with passer.

Thing is when people start rambling incoherent rage fuelled insanity to them selves they end up being very dangerous, usually some point after they alienate them selves.
Incoherent insanity causing self imposed alienation here
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Passer
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 2:18:54 AM

A1,
Technically, you are right that Krauthammer was a psychiatrist. But my point is the same because, in his own words:
"And I, you know, look. I’ve foresworn psychiatry simply because you really can’t do it at a distance."

In the article he wasn't talking as a psychiatrist and specifically said he couldn't. But how many people who read the DC disagree with what he wrote and those who knew he was a psychiatrist, realize he "foresworn psychiatry simply because you really can't do it at a distance"? And to prove that, YOU certainly seem to believe he was speaking as a psychiatrist!

ie "He is credited with discovering and defining several new variants of mental illness."

"You are up to your eyeballs in your pony excrement, Passer"

Typical rebuttal from a Tea Party synthesizer. Would you also throw me over the ledge to prove your point beyond a doubt? And you wonder why you were banned before?
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 10:16:29 PM



Passer, "Krauthammer made a medical diagnosis even though he has no medical degree. He is not a psychologist or psychiatrist."

Ahhh but there you are totally wrong!

Like almost everything else you say.

And you are not just content to step in it.

You step in it BIG TIME.

Krauthammer IS a doctor with MD degrees from Harvard.

AND he is a world renowned psychiatrist as the chief resident in psychiatry at the Massachusetts General Hospital.

He is credited with discovering and defining several new variants of mental illness.

You are up to your eyeballs in your pony excrement, Passer. lol maybe that is where you got your name PASSER!

ROTFL

And you are WRONG on every count.

Krauthammer IS a doctor AND a psychiatrist!

Now do you want to talk about Krauthammer's professional opinion that Obama IS a narcissist?

And do you want to admit that YOU are the "fool" who is just looking for things to fit his own biased view?

SMH


[Edited by: AnotherOne at 9/15/2014 10:20:54 PM EST]
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Passer
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 8:55:16 PM

"Krauthammer: Obama ‘Clearly A Narcissist,’ ‘Lives In A Cocoon Surrounded By Sycophants’"

That was another "fact" from the same source, the Daily Caller, fbUT.

Krauthammer made a medical diagnosis even though he has no medical degree. He is not a psychologist or psychiatrist. Yet some fools who read the DC will accept his non-medical diagnosis, also as "fact".

Most of the readers of the DC can't tell the difference as to if a medical doctor makes a diagnosis or if one of their fool commentators say something. The fools give it just as much weight as long as they agree with it.

Now I know you believe Obama is what Krauthammer said, Obama ‘Clearly A Narcissist,’ and ‘Lives In A Cocoon Surrounded By Sycophants’ as Dr Krauthammer has said so, and it is easy for Cons to agree with.

What you and most readers of that rag don't understand is, that doesn't make it true as much as you'd like it to be one of your Foxfacts.

Quoting from the DC only proves that you do not understand what the word "proves" means and probably never will.

If you need the Daily Caller to "prove" something, all it "proves" is that you are desperate.






[Edited by: Passer at 9/15/2014 8:57:08 PM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Sep 15, 2014 6:26:59 PM

More info that fracking isnt the bugaboo the "greenies" are trying to say it is....
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>>>Avner Vengosh, Duke Professor of geochemistry and water quality and one of the publishers stated, “We’re saying to the industry, the good news is we don’t think it’s actually from the hydraulic fracturing itself.”

“So far we can say pretty categorically that we have not seen escape of the gas from the shale formation into the overlying aquifers,” Vengosh said.

Thomas Darrah, another one of the researchers, summed up the findings, “The worst-case environmental scenario appears to be off the table, based on these studies. In reality, we focused on the areas that had the worst contamination.”<<<

More - as if any more is needed - proof that fracking, done properly, is a safe tool.
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Passer
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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2014 11:02:06 PM

"How many hundreds of miles do I have to drive to find this "local water faucet"?"

It is next to the place where "Liberals would have burned me at the stake."

Seems like you are still on fire...
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2014 10:54:15 PM

"Just using a local water faucet would have done the job."

They have fractured hundreds of wells around me. Guess what, no one has water that burns.

How many hundreds of miles do I have to drive to find this "local water faucet"?
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Passer
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Message Posted: Sep 4, 2014 10:31:00 PM

"Had I been a liberal and done that I have a feeling they would have burned me at the stake."

Heavens no, Op4. Just using a local water faucet would have done the job.

Perhaps that why you are so "fired up" ???
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Sep 1, 2014 2:30:30 PM

Yeah did you see how crazy passer got after I posted on here about my trip to the fracking site.
Had I been a liberal and done that I have a feeling they would have burned me at the stake.
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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Sep 1, 2014 1:17:01 PM

oilpan4: "They don't come up with original thought, they just build walls around them selves and defend their fanatical self imposed ignorance."

You've hit the nail on the head. Group think and Doublethink. People that are too stupid or lazy to think for themselves.

It's rooted in psychology, and is a result of low self-esteem and a desire to go along with, and be accepted by the crowd.

From an intellectual point of view, it's far easier to be against something than for it. You can't prove a negative, so they don't have to do any actual thinking to be against fracking. Or anything else. It does, however, take effort to be for something. And informed arguments and intelligent conversation to prove your points.

Which is why I constantly ask for "intelligent, informed responses only."

It eliminates lib-think. Which is really just lazy "thinking" and parroting the "party line."


[Edited by: Troller_Diesel at 9/1/2014 1:20:03 PM EST]
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Sep 1, 2014 12:39:43 PM

I still wonder what the "astroturf outrage" is all about from the liberal looney left on hydraulic fracturing?

Health risks? Again, in 50+ years of it being a WELL established technique, one would have thought one would have seen health risks or conditions correlated to the technique. We don't see that. Nor do we see problems with poisoning of wells and groundwater.

So let's get to the heart of the matter? Why would liberals protest hydraulic fracturing? It seems to me that it must be a question of being able to extract more fossil fuels for less money. In that way, that makes what I'll call "conventional" energy, even more economical. That, in turn, makes "alternative" energy even that much more UN-economical.

And I get that this plays into the global warming scenerio. But that is a different problem altogether. The global warming estimates from places like NOAA have been revised downward by quite a lot. It turns out that the global warming cadre had way overestimated, and overplayed their hand. Falsifying data, or cherry picking to make up "scaled data" also didn't help their case. And nobody can conclusively say whether or not the variations we've seen in climate are within natural variance or not. We think they're more than within variance based on tree rings, ice cores, fossils, etc. etc.

But then let's talk CO2 - ice core data show that the temps were cooler with more CO2 and warmer with less. CO2 isn't the answer to global warming. Further, I think CO2 may help provide an answer for deforestation. If we replant trees, and we have more CO2 in the air, it suggests that we'll be able to grow more dense vegetation - which will actually help COOL the planet. IMHO, those who decry global warming should spend their efforts on preventing deforestation of tropical rainforests, and reforesting otherwise marginal lands - including hacked down rainforest that's no longer used. It would be time better spent than crabbing about hydraulic fracturing.
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Message Posted: Sep 1, 2014 11:53:39 AM

PS. I don't think Ruth was as "insulted" by the term...

(But then he was not a Tea Person and hitting home runs required thicker skin, even skin as thick as oil.)
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Passer
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Message Posted: Aug 31, 2014 4:19:53 PM

AC302, I did NOT mean to criticize you by using the expression "from the mouths of babes...". If anything it was a complement because your questioning in that post was accurate and should be applied to fracking as well. If you took offense at the word "babe" I apologize. It's been too long since it was used to describe me...
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2014 6:58:44 PM

"Sort of like the cons who deny Global Climate Change"

Who here denys climate change?

"I welcome you to do this in your explanation."

Liberals don't come up with their own explanations, they just go around repeating what they have been told to say.
Or else they would have found the fracking chemical MSDS list and they would be the ones going out of their way to visit active frack sites.

They don't come up with original thought, they just build walls around them selves and defend their fanatical self imposed ignorance.
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2014 3:26:42 PM

btc --- your casting aspersions again - naughty naughty......

For your own knowledge - do some basic research...

How many wells have been fracked?

How many instances that have been proven and documented where fracking caused contamination of a drinking water supply.

Then do some math and compute the relative risk we face with tah vs the common everyday risks we live with and dont get all flighty over.
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Now on to climate. No one in their right mind has ever said that climate does not change. However no one in their right mind has ever proven that mankind through its use of various forms of energy has made any significant impact in either the direction of climate change or degree of change.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2014 2:29:20 PM

Passer - You criticized me, calling me a "babe". OK, so tell us all you know about primary and secondary petroleum extraction, including hydraulic fracturing. Please. You criticize, but I want to understand exactly what you know about what you are criticizing. Please share with us your apparently extensive knowledge on the subject. If you know nothing on the subject, state so, then apologize for the criticism.Passer further complained: "Conservatives:"Fracking DOESN'T pose health risks." Me: "I don't know if fracking poses health risks or not!"

--Again, the time to complain and protest about hydraulic fracturing as part of primary fossil fuel recovery was 50 years ago. And understand, the technique has been used for well over 50 years. So far, we don't seem to be seeing any obvious health risks. Also, there hasn't been a proven case where the fracturing fluids have poisoned groundwater. Drillers and oil producers have 2 reasons why they wouldn't want to contaminate groundwater. If you understand the process, then you might be able to delineate those for all of us, and I welcome you to do this in your explanation.

Now, btc1 brings up the issue of global climate change. I somewhat wonder why, as global warming, and whether or not hydraulic fracturing are poisoning people are two different matters? Why don't you do a thread on global warming, if you are so passionate, or resurrect an old topic on it? And remember, fracturing loosens up oil and gas in existing wells. IMHO, it's probably better to "stimulate" old wells if they can produce, then to drill new ones. The fact that we need petrochemical energy doesn't change. It's just how we're going to get at it that does.
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2014 1:55:43 PM

Appearently, fly, is the leader of the "Know it all" pack here, Buzz.

How he ca make such a statement, only he and heaven knows.....

Sort of like the cons who deny Global Climate Change when scientists have provided all kinds of evidence that it is happening. Even the sea birds in Iceland can tell them. But, they know more than anyone....


[Edited by: btc1 at 8/30/2014 1:59:19 PM EST]
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Passer
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2014 1:01:04 PM

"...and think they know it all"

Conservatives:"Fracking DOESN'T pose health risks."

Me: "I don't know if fracking poses health risks or not!"





WHO is the know it all???


WHO is projecting their alleged "knowledge" and "know" more than everyone, including scientists???







[Edited by: Passer at 8/30/2014 1:02:14 PM EST]
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Aug 30, 2014 12:36:38 PM

" If there are any psychiatrists out there "

Nope.
Just a few liberals who have taken a class or 2 on the subject and think they know it all.
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 9:04:55 PM

" Liberals don't care about knowledge, education, or critical thinking.

It interferes with their ideology...

Or is that idiotology?"

That is the perfect example of Tea Party Projection! Classic! If there are any psychiatrists out there, one may find this quote in their next text book and be required reading in Psych 304. Its like a Klansman calling the Imperial Wizard, Black...
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Message Posted: Aug 29, 2014 8:54:05 PM

oilpan4: Liberals don't care about knowledge, education, or critical thinking.

It interferes with their ideology...

Or is that idiotology?
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 11:49:26 PM

Just visiting an active frack site I learned more than what the combined knowledge of the frack haters could ever hope to amass.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 2:42:28 PM

Passer ignorantly spouted: "From the mouth of babes..."

--And tell me exactly what you know about petroleum extraction?

(Hint - I used to work for a very large oil foreign-owned company that you probably never heard of. Trust me (or not) I've likely forgotten more about petroleum extraction, refining and petrochemicals than you will ever know in your entire existence).

The time for envirokooks, liberals and other fools with pretend outrage to have protested hydraulic fracturing was about 50 - 60 years ago. The practice was well established in the 60s. I am not aware that the water table was fouled with oil and fracturing fluids back then. There weren't massive complaints of the oil and water tables mixing. So I have to conclude that today's fake outrage is (to quote Nancy Pelosi) "astroturf".

[Edited by: AC-302 at 8/28/2014 2:44:51 PM EST]
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 2:38:57 PM

All I can say is we need more people like passer and steve.
There is no economic reason to keep the fracking boom going. The only thing keeping it going is the fear of it being banned. So every one who owns a well that can benefit from fracking wants their hole fracked yesterday.
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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 1:17:47 PM

AC-302: Did Gas-Passer just call you a "babe"?!?

That's kind of creepy, doncha think?

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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 1:16:50 PM

Gas-Passer: "That stuff doesn't come from the top of one's head, more likely, it was pulled out of another human edifice..."

Ah, an ad hominem. With the wrong word.

Well. All I can say is:

*ROTFLMEO*
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 12:46:42 PM

"Fracking DOESN'T Pose Health Risks"




"--You're making a very large ASSUmption here."


"How do you know..."

From the mouth of babes...






[Edited by: Passer at 8/27/2014 12:47:08 PM EST]
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 1:38:15 PM

btc1 said: "LOL AC! Once the bacteria have ingested or "processed" the erythromycin it is not a large toxin to the water table. If that was true, it would already be there from human waste...would it not?"

--You're making a very large ASSUmption here. How do you know that bacteria will consume ALL of the erythromycin? After all, this is actually toxic to them. And they don't put an EXACT amount "down hole" - there is always an excess to make sure. So what happens when the microbes are killed? How does the excess antibiotic get "consumed"? Or don't you get microbiology?

SemiSteve - so far, it has never been proven that a water well has been fouled using hydraulic fracturing fluids. And as I said before, if the well casing split, you wouldn't be able to fracture the formation - you'd have pressure loss at the split. So it's not in anyone's interest to "skimp" on well casings - particularly at the depths that the water table is at (typically at well under 3000 feet). Oil is ususally over 5000 feet, though sometimes lower.
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Message Posted: Aug 18, 2014 1:14:37 PM

"Fracking doesn't pose health risks."

-to the dead.
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Message Posted: Aug 18, 2014 12:56:54 PM

why don't these so called "environmentalists" try persuasion instead of government coercion/ They could go somewhere out west, move into caves, use their so called green methods to generate electrcity use sustainable methods to live on like hamsters to generate electricity, bicycles to get around all organic farming, etc. and let people choose this lifestyle instead of attempting to use government coercion to force people to live this way?
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Message Posted: Aug 16, 2014 10:32:04 PM

LOL AC! Once the bacteria have ingested or "processed" the erythromycin it is not a large toxin to the water table. If that was true, it would already be there from human waste...would it not?
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Message Posted: Aug 16, 2014 9:16:35 PM

Passer, my friend. You and your kind are a blessing to the fracking community.
I absolutely credit people like you with the fracking boom and low natural gas prices we are currently enjoying.

[Edited by: oilpan4 at 8/16/2014 9:17:41 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 16, 2014 1:43:22 PM

Oops, forgive my "edifice" complex, should be "orifice".
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Message Posted: Aug 15, 2014 5:48:58 PM

"if it weren't for the left's fanatical ignorance, we'd be enjoying cheap, plentiful power from nuclear energy and mosquito's would be nearly extinct and 20 million people wouldn't have died from Malaria and other mosquito-borne illnesses."

That stuff doesn't come from the top of one's head, more likely, it was pulled out of another human edifice...




[Edited by: Passer at 8/15/2014 5:52:49 PM EST]
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Aug 15, 2014 1:03:01 PM

I like how the energy production hating liberals always say: "what are we going to do when _____ runs out".

Well Uranium fission power could power the world for as long as 200 to 300 years and the employment of other elements like thorium could provide power for another 500 to 700 years.

Didn't you know mosquitos help control world population?
So we don't over populate.
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Message Posted: Aug 15, 2014 9:53:12 AM

oilpan4, if it weren't for the left's fanatical ignorance, we'd be enjoying cheap, plentiful power from nuclear energy and mosquito's would be nearly extinct and 20 million people wouldn't have died from Malaria and other mosquito-borne illnesses.

And those two are just off the top of my head...

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Message Posted: Aug 15, 2014 1:45:31 AM

Actually the lefts ignorance lead fanatical crusade against fracking has been its greatest blessing.

The fracking company guys said before the anti fracking movement took off they had fairly steady work, not always.
Since the anti fracking movement took off they have been booked solid, turning jobs down and the heavy equipment building companies have been building new fracking rigs as fast as they can.

People in the industry figure some of these anti fracking idiots might succeed and get frack ban in places and since no one knows where they might ram a ban through all the land owners and well owners every where want their wells fracked now before it gets banned.

One observation I made is that liberals are really bad about triggering unintended consequences.

People like passer, I can only thank you and your fanatical ignorance for the frack boom.
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 10:54:01 PM

And again, for the ignorant among us, hydraulic fracturing of tight formations to "stimulate" wells has been going on for 60 odd years. For those enviro-kooks who are all of a sudden protesting it, you're too late. It's already a standard practice. The time to protest was 60 years ago, not now.
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2014 10:24:52 PM

"in fracking. We just do not know. Why should we not know?"

Did you miss the MSDS list of fracking chemicals I posted?

I made a statement that after a week or 2 the liberals would forget all about the MSDS list and pretend like they have no idea whats chemicals are used.

Why use expensive aquarium antibiotics when lime or lye will work?

"supercritical CO2 is fine and dandy, but how do you generate enough of it and keep it down such that the gas can't "burp" out of the well"?

Colorado. They have natural gas reserves that are actually mostly CO2. That could be pipe lined to Texas. I made a post about this not too long ago. It involved building a pipe line so the liberals ignored it.
It won't come out of the well because the CO2 will act like water, where it will float to the top.
Plus if some CO2 comes out with the oil its not like it will be the end of the world.

"There are more than 33,500 families living within two miles of these turbines"

In eastern NM and TX we aren't stupid like that. If there is any one living with in a half mile of a wind turbine its the land owner. But they still blend birds a little lol.

" Infrasound is noise that is at such a low frequency, it can’t be heard but can be felt by those nearby."

I have spent plenty of time on, in and near wind turbines and I believe it.

In other news a frack chemical truck drove by my house and guess what, I am still alive. I know its a frack chemical truck because I know what they use now.

[Edited by: oilpan4 at 8/14/2014 10:26:00 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 12, 2014 12:25:01 AM

Hmmmm, like the alar on apples ridiculousness?
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Message Posted: Aug 11, 2014 11:19:51 PM

btc1 - you are suggesting that injecting chemicals into a well is bad and will hurt the water table. Then why would you want to inject erythromycin - that could also poison the water table? Or do you not understand the dichotomy of what you have now proposed?

Sometimes the chemicals 'down hole' are viscosity modifiers.

Oilpan - supercritical CO2 is fine and dandy, but how do you generate enough of it and keep it down such that the gas can't "burp" out of the well?

Another chemical that's used "down hole" is Barium nitrate. As I understand it, zirconium salt solutions can and are also used. Why so? Because they are heavy, and when saturated solutions of this are pumped "down hole", they weigh significantly more than just plain water.

[Edited by: AC-302 at 8/11/2014 11:21:38 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 11, 2014 12:55:37 PM

Oilpan4, "They have to put some chemicals down the well with water that's injected to kill any anaerobic hydrocarbon consuming bacteria that could get down there well along with the water and have a field day inside that wet, warm food filled environment.
Ever hear of a "well going sour"? That's what happened."

Ever hear of Erythromycin? An anitbiotic. We have to use it in our salt water aquarium to control the growth of a red bacteria. The same bacteria that develops on gasoline spills when exposed to the elements. This bacteria consumes hydrocarbons. It seems to me that this would be less harmful and may well be of use right now, in fracking. We just do not know. Why should we not know?

[Edited by: btc1 at 8/11/2014 12:56:10 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 11, 2014 12:37:30 PM

Fracking doesnt pose health risks but this does.
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>>>The Scottish Express reported Sunday that the Scottish government has commissioned a study into the “potential ill effects of turbines at 10 sites across the country.” There are more than 33,500 families living within two miles of these turbines, meaning thousands could be getting sick.

Activists warn that “infrasound” emanating from nearby wind turbines are causing people to feel sick. Infrasound is noise that is at such a low frequency, it can’t be heard but can be felt by those nearby.

Former U.K. army Capt. Andrew Vivers has been looking into the issue and was surprised that local authorities were unwilling to accept that infrasound could make people sick, even though it’s a “known military interrogation aid and weapon.”

“When white noise was disallowed they went on to infrasound,” Vivers told the Express. “If it is directed at you, you can feel your brain or your body vibrating.”

“It is bonkers that infrasound low frequency noise monitoring is not included in any environmental assessments. It should be mandatory before and after turbine erection,” Vivers added.

Vivers also noted that there has been an “acknowledged and unexplained increase of insomnia, dizziness and headaches” in the town of Dundee, which is where two wind turbines been in service since 2006.<<<

Never mind that these wind turbines have the nickname of bird shredders for the huge numbers of rare and endangered species they kill by the thousands every year. Now we know or have strong proof that they actually make people sick.

Dont ya just love that green energy consequences stuff.....
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I don't know if any one is set up to actually fracture with liquid CO2. It takes a very large volume of liquid and you still need aggregate like sand to keep the rock separated once its fractured.

CO2ing a well I believe is done and works best on oil reserves that are porous and do not need fracturing.
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oilpan, "Want to know what works even better than water to free oil and gas?
CO2, with no chemicals, just plain CO2 all buy its self."

Well, since the wacko liberals claim we have too much CO2, let's pump it down the wells to frack with.

It is a win/win.

We get rid of the libs false enemy, CO2, we get more oil and gas AND we may even get nice carbonated water as a side benefit to make Coca Cola! lol

Pump away!



[Edited by: AnotherOne at 8/10/2014 3:05:14 PM EST]
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: Aug 10, 2014 2:52:39 PM

"I see no reason what so ever to use chemicals"

They have to put some chemicals down the well with water that's injected to kill any anaerobic hydrocarbon consuming bacteria that could get down there well along with the water and have a field day inside that wet, warm food filled environment.
Ever hear of a "well going sour"? That's what happened.

Want to know what works even better than water to free oil and gas?
CO2, with no chemicals, just plain CO2 all buy its self.
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Message Posted: Aug 10, 2014 1:01:36 PM

Passer: "Is NOT a statement of fact."

No. It's an assertion. That's the way debates are started. An assertion is made, and then it's debated to determine if the assertion is factual or not.

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Message Posted: Aug 10, 2014 11:11:56 AM

I, myself, have used just plain tap water to "flush" gasoline spills from shale, in a clean-up after a tanker wreak, so it can be captured for disposal. Of course the shale is the bottom of the spill. It penetrates no further. Still, if I were to extend the injection pipe, it would fracture the shale. I used 2500 gallon holding tanks for this process with a five pipe manifold. So the pressure was greater.

I see no reason what so ever to use chemicals and "petroleum fluids" to do so. Pressurized water injection would do the same thing. This would be the least expensive method, it would seem to me. Standpipe pressure alone, from a 1 inch diameter pipe rises 10 pounds for every 1 feet length of delivery pipe. Gravity induced pressure. Nothing else required. No contaminating liquid is injected so none is left.


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Message Posted: Aug 9, 2014 9:21:17 PM

I have said this before, and I'll say it again. We need that oil. That's a given. We ought to rightly tap our resources. That's also a given. The best way to "stimulate" wells into production is via the use of hydraulic fracturing. You can do steam injections (secondary) or even surfactant floods (so-called tertiary petroleum recovery methods, but they're terribly expensive.

What needs to happen is IF it can be proven that someone's water source was contaminated, then we need to know how and why. Not hard - they have "down hole" cameras that can be used to find the point of failure. So we figure out what failed and why, and we base laws in the science of why, rather than knee jerk on emotion. But again, the oil and gas table is usually significantly below the water table. They shouldn't ever mix, and I've never heard of them doing so.
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Message Posted: Aug 9, 2014 8:49:13 PM

Fracking appears to have damaged the mental health of some of the more unstable people. Passer.
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