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Gidzmo

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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2013 3:54:35 PM

A penny per ounce

"The measure is meant to discourage people from consuming sweetened drinks, and the money collected would pay for a statewide childhood obesity prevention program through a Children's Health Promotion Fund."

One cent per ounce, on top of the sales tax and redemption value (if you buy the drinks in cans or bottles). I don't believe the money will go where they say it will go.
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kiatoindos
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Message Posted: May 31, 2013 12:04:43 PM

BLOOMBERG!
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MarkJames
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Message Posted: May 30, 2013 8:13:07 PM

Exceeding maintenance calories by small amounts really adds up over the years.

Many obese people have spent many years storing fat and losing muscle.
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Gidzmo
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Message Posted: May 30, 2013 4:07:44 PM

Lots of calories plus little activity always equal weight gain.
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 5:40:45 PM

marty, I know you won't see this, but calories, are calories, no matter where they come from, they will still make people gain weight, ask your doctor.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 3:52:08 PM

Soda = empty calories.
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Gidzmo
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 3:16:59 PM

NoSeatbelt: "The thing is, a lot of 100% juice drinks have as many, sometimes more calories in them per ounce, as a soft drink, so how do the food police get by with telling us they won't cause us to get fat, by drinking them? I'm sure fruit juice is better for us, but cutting calories, not so much."

Yes, it will be interesting to see how they deal with the fruit juices (which have natural sugar). After all, if they give a pass to fruit juices (natural fruit sugar), then the soda industry will cry discrimination.
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MarkJames
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 12:23:33 PM

Many we know get near full value, full value, or more than full value in cash/barter for EBT foodstamp benefits.

They're effectively providing a grocery shopping service, so their customers are paying for convenience, shopping and delivery.

We know some that sell and trade the food and goods they get from numerous foodbanks and food/goods distribution points as well.
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oilpan4
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 9:37:36 AM

"People used to buy, sell and trade foodstamps as well."

Yup the going rate in Maine back in the day was 2 food stamps for $1.
Or charge up to 10 foodstamps for a pack of smokes.
Not that I would do something like that....

[Edited by: oilpan4 at 5/22/2013 9:39:23 AM EST]
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MarkJames
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Message Posted: May 22, 2013 9:33:10 AM

Back in the days of paper food stamps it was pretty common for food stamp customers to buy nickel and dime items to get change they'd use to buy things that couldn't be purchased with food stamps.

There were a few mom and pops that would accept food stamps for just about anything.

People used to buy, sell and trade foodstamps as well.

Now that they have EBT cards, they have to lend them to others, or shop for others to convert food stamp benefits to cash or goods and services.

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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: May 21, 2013 5:44:47 PM

MiddletownMarty said: "I don't know if the change happened in 2008 or not"

I remember distinctly being in a grocery store in a not-so-great area, watching the guy in front of me buying a candy bar with food stamps and getting change back in cash. That was around 1983.
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: May 21, 2013 5:42:42 PM

The thing is, a lot of 100% juice drinks have as many, sometimes more calories in them per ounce, as a soft drink, so how do the food police get by with telling us they won't cause us to get fat, by drinking them? I'm sure fruit juice is better for us, but cutting calories, not so much.
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Gidzmo
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Message Posted: May 21, 2013 5:13:07 PM

John Bunyon: "Gosh, it just bugs the ---- out of Libtards when people have freedom, doesn't it?"

First: welcome--but no swearing on the forums.

I'm not against freedom--but I am against a state who decides that THEY will decide what we can and can't have (and how much we pay for it).

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michaelphoenix2
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Message Posted: May 20, 2013 3:37:50 PM

I've never seen the point of smoking. You gain no benefits from it, higher insurance premiums, lower health, and a loss of a lot of pocket money.

Drinking you have the effect of being drunk.(Though i can count on 1 hand the number of beers ive had in the last 2 years.) Smoking literally gives you nothing other than cancer.

Maybe im biased. I grew up in a house where my father quit smoking a week after he found out my mother was pregnant, and only had a single puff of one cigg once. I just dont get it.

[Edited by: michaelphoenix2 at 5/20/2013 3:38:52 PM EST]
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AC-302
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Message Posted: May 19, 2013 4:01:45 PM

herbie said: "So see what $12 a pack cigarettes do."

--And what did $6/pack do in Canada? It seems to me that it made for a very brisk trade in bootlegged cigs.
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: May 19, 2013 12:52:09 PM

Another gimmick for politicians to get more spending money.
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e_jeepin
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Message Posted: May 19, 2013 10:36:24 AM

"...statewide childhood obesity prevention program through a Children's Health Promotion Fund"

So is this one lady with a State owned vehicle, expense account, hotel stays traveling to every school in the State?

No its going to be 50 with an office building, equipment and massive overhead like all other government agencies.

In reality, that 32 cents collected on the Big Gulp will mostly go to paying the cost of administration of the Health Promotion Fund. This agency will send nutrition charts to schools that kids walk past and don't read. This agency will boast that their budget is balanced -- people cheer.

In the end, you have an expensive tax payer funded agency supporting high paid "make-work" people and no results.

Sounds like the early days of Carter's Department of Education which is now full of $50B of make-work. How are the results in our schools? Same as when the DOE was invented, many cases worse.
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MarkJames
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Message Posted: May 19, 2013 10:20:14 AM

oilpan4 "My sister and her husband are poor as dirt and they still smoke, constantly. Then when their little boy has a doctors appointment or they run low on home heating oil they don't have enough money for it. Our mom or dad end up paying for a lot of the "optional" stuff like doctor visits, home heating oil or gas for their vehicles."

Many of our aunts, uncles, cousins, their kids and grandkids leeched off our grandparents until the day they died.

When our grandparents passed away, many of our relatives didn't know how to be self-sufficient as grandma and grandpa had bailed them out countless times. They provided them with housing, apartments, food, vehicles, daycare, maintenance, repairs, insurance, gas, heating oil, propane, utilities, cable/broadband, legal assistance, bail - too much to list on several pages!

Before my grandparents passed away I bought their homes, apartment buildings, businesses, farms and other assets.

I ended up selling off many of the properties, so the buyers ended up having to evict dozens our our non immediate relatives that had been living rent free for many years.

Many of our relatives were expecting a major inheritance, however they got little or nothing since I bought 90 plus percent of our grandparents assets.

Many of our non immediate relatives inherited around 10K to 15K in cash which they pi$$ed away in less than a year on beer, cigarettes, pot, liquor, casino gambling, scratch-offs and other non necessities.

Most currently have a zero or negative net worth and they're on numeorus forms of welfare.

I gave several houses, however they ended up losing them as they borrowed against the homes then didn't repay the loans and/or didn't pay their property taxes.

One of our cousins lost a doublewide mobile home on 2 acres that I gave them free and clear since he and his girlfriend didn't make the cash out mortgage payment of $180 per month! Their household spent that on cigarettes in one week!

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oilpan4
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Message Posted: May 18, 2013 10:09:17 PM

"I don't believe the money will go where they say it will go".

Look at all the money you pay for vehicle registration and fuel taxes. And wonder where it all goes.

"Most of poor and low income relatives are still smokers, plus many are new smokers although they pay $8 to $11 per pack."

My sister and her husband are poor as dirt and they still smoke, constantly. Then when their little boy has a doctors appointment or they run low on home heating oil they don't have enough money for it. Our mom or dad end up paying for a lot of the "optional" stuff like doctor visits, home heating oil or gas for their vehicles.
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Gidzmo
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Message Posted: May 17, 2013 6:26:59 PM

I75: "People on food stamps don't pay the sales tax on soda pop now (in Ohio at least) so they can continue to get obese to their heart's content (and distress) and not have to pay for it."

Mudtoe: "I wasn't aware of that. Is that specific to pop, or if you use an EBT card to pay for your groceries, is all the sales tax eliminated (or does pop just happen to be the only EBT eligible item that's taxed in the first place)?"

"It's for the children." RIGHT!! That's what they SAY.

And yes, they buy all sorts of stuff on EBT cards here: chips, soda, candy, real food. Don't know if the tax is included.

The price of soda here does not included state sales tax or CRV (redemption value; how much depends on the size of the container. I'm supposed to get it back when I recycle said container).
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MarkJames
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2013 5:25:54 PM

"So there you have it. President Johnson signed the bill into Law on August 31, 1964. At the ceremony he said "I believe the Food Stamp Act weds the best of the humanitarian instincts of the American people with the best of the free enterprise system." With his signature, the ability to purchase soft drinks with taxpayer-funded food stamps became a reality and, forty-six years on, that reality remains the same today."

Soda, Surplus, and Food Stamps: A Short History
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2013 3:39:09 PM

"Many years back one could not buy soda with foodstamps. When did that change?"


USDA eligible items

"The Food and Nutrition Act of 2008 (the Act) defines eligible food as any food or food product for home consumption and also includes seeds and plants which produce food for consumption by SNAP households.

...

"Soft drinks, candy, cookies, snack crackers, and ice cream are food items and are therefore eligible items."


I don't know if the change happened in 2008 or not. It would be mighty interesting if it did. Of course, citizens could lobby their Congress persons to change the law, but then there'd be less for some to complain about.





[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 4/29/2013 3:41:44 PM EST]
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1OILMAN
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2013 3:27:53 PM

Sounds like another government program to be milked for those in power. Do "sin taxes" really work? What business is it of theirs what I put AND pay for in my body? How about a broccoli tax or a tomato tax or a corn tax or a apple tax? Where does this madness end? You can't legislate morality. Why even start down this road?
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2013 10:22:39 AM

I was a smoker many, many, many years ago. I ran and worked out and then would sit and have a smoke...one day it hit me. It was counter-productive to what I was trying to do.
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MarkJames
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Message Posted: Apr 29, 2013 8:36:28 AM

Most of poor and low income relatives are still smokers, plus many are new smokers although they pay $8 to $11 per pack.

Whenever something with relatively inelastic demand scales in price their kids suffer.
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Message Posted: Apr 28, 2013 11:48:38 PM

Many years back one could not buy soda with foodstamps. When did that change?
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herbiepopnecker
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Message Posted: Apr 28, 2013 11:14:26 PM

So see what $12 a pack cigarettes do.
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e_jeepin
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Message Posted: Apr 28, 2013 10:58:50 PM

$5/pack cigarettes hasn't slowed consumption in poverty demographics (nor did banning the "cartoon" camel dude).

Food stamp users will buy 2 liters at almost any price -- they aren't paying for it anyways -- we are.

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MarkJames
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Message Posted: Apr 28, 2013 7:53:24 AM

We have a few dozen non immediate relatives on food stamps that are daily soda drinkers, all of them overweight, or obese due to sedentary lifestyles, lack of exercise and over-consumption of calories.

Their demand for soda is so inelastic that soda would literally have to triple, or quadruple in price before they'd consume less. Even then, they'd simply trade down to lower priced generic brands, or shop sales only.

Many are already paying substantially more for soda as they buy much of it off sale, or at convenience stores.

There was an article in a convenience store trade mag about the demand destruction curve of soda prices. I don't remember the exact figures, however it was a crazy high price point before demand dropped off substantially and much higher when soda was dispensed/refrigerated at the point of sale.
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Message Posted: Apr 28, 2013 12:16:05 AM

Mud, pop is the main item that has sales tax dropped at the point of purchase. A few types of candy are also subject to sales tax, if they are 100% sugar, such as cotton candy. also there are some juice "drinks" that are normally taxed and that tax is removed when paying by food stamps. These include the $1.00 half gallon cartons of Minute Maid, Hi C, Sunny D and a few others.
Some years ago those taxable items were simply not eligible to be purchased on food stamps. It seems some bleeding hearts got their mitts on that issue and got the tax removed. Rampant obesity has followed. Another example of good deed doers doing bad deeds. But it made them feel good doing it.
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Message Posted: Apr 27, 2013 12:15:09 PM

I75: "People on food stamps don't pay the sales tax on soda pop now (in Ohio at least) so they can continue to get obese to their heart's content (and distress) and not have to pay for it."


I wasn't aware of that. Is that specific to pop, or if you use an EBT card to pay for your groceries, is all the sales tax eliminated (or does pop just happen to be the only EBT eligible item that's taxed in the first place)?


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Message Posted: Apr 27, 2013 9:56:53 AM

Personally, I like both the NY thin crust, and the Chicago thick crust styles. I agree with you AFSNCO, you can't get good pizza in most places. Here in the West, you'd think you'd see enough Chicago and NYC expats that they'd have a few really GOOD pizza places, but alas, it is not so.

I was in Phoenix a few years ago and there are two pizza places that are run by ex-Chicagoans. I went to one and ordered a vegetarian. The fool pizza came with a SWEET sauce, not a slightly spicy one. It was terrible, and I let them know that "sweet" wasn't how it ought to have been.

Johnnyg1200 said: "Right now you couldn’t give me a free trip to California. I wish we could find a way to just give it to Mexico."

--If "La Raza" gets its way, that will be happening sooner, rather than later. You might want to look them up on the net to see what I mean. Shoot, with all the illegal aliens out here that hail from there, it may as well be Mexico now. I'm sure they call us "Alta California Norte y Sur".
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Apr 27, 2013 9:33:41 AM

Johnny...pizza is one of my favorite foods. I am originally from Pennsylvania where they make "real pizza." Living here in the south they just do not know good pizza. All chain shops...so every time I go visit family I pretty much eat pizza 4 or 5 times!
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Apr 27, 2013 7:24:19 AM

People on food stamps don't pay the sales tax on soda pop now (in Ohio at least) so they can continue to get obese to their heart's content (and distress) and not have to pay for it. The rest of the soda-swilling population can pay for it, as well as the taxpayers who support the federalized medical "system" in this country.

Diabetes forever, soda tax Never!
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2013 10:43:21 PM

AFSNCO >I have always believed that a supreme pizza is the perfect food....meat, cheese (milk), bread (crust), and veggies...all in one bite!<

I tried that one with my wife. It didn’t work to well.
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2013 7:51:20 PM

Just what the state with the highest taxes in the nation needs, more taxes.

Right now you couldn’t give me a free trip to California. I wish we could find a way to just give it to Mexico.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2013 7:00:15 PM

Topic: One cent per ounce

--Shoot, I was hoping that this would refer to the price of either gasoline or weed!
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2013 5:10:58 PM

If they start taxing my pizza like that I am in trouble! Although I have always believed that a supreme pizza is the perfect food....meat, cheese (milk), bread (crust), and veggies...all in one bite!
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2013 5:09:35 PM

Another case of a liberal never seeing a tax they didn't like.

"Its for the children don't you know".....
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2013 5:04:03 PM

AFSNCO, don't give them any stupid ideas... Oh, never mind, they already have the corner on that market.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2013 4:14:07 PM

Shouldn't it apply to candy also? What about fast food?
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2013 3:58:22 PM

It costs money for an overweight child to eat less? I would have been more impressed if the extra tax revenue was to pay the tuition for lawmakers to attend money management classes.
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