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MiddletownMarty

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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 7:31:58 PM

Stupid Republican Tricks: Michigan Edition


Michigan Republicans, desperate for something -- anything -- to make themselves look good, have now resorted to bullying Democratic legislators in order to steal their legislative proposals.


But even Republicans don’t think that EVERY idea that Democrats have is a bad one. It’s just not something they want the rest of Michigan to believe. So, in order to deny Democrats any legislative victories in the current session, Republicans have begun using an approach that I haven’t heard of before: introducing legislation that is identical to a bill that was introduced by a Democrat and then supporting that legislation instead.

Oh, I see. In some circles which are not legislative, we might call that plagiarism. Then again, when you're a legislator used to having all of your legislation written by ALEC, I suppose it's not a far stretch to reach across the aisle and swipe whatever might make you look good. Their tactics are downright thuggish, as usual. After a freshman Democrat introduced legislation to give returning veterans resident status for college tuition, this happened:

It’s a great idea. With his background as a two-time Iraqi veteran with the Marine Corp, Knezek knows a little bit about the challenges that face returning vets. In fact, Knezek told me that he had a number of Republicans approach him after he introduced HJR L on February 28th to tell him they thought it was a great piece of legislation. Then, in early March, Republican State Rep. Jim Stamas (R-Midland) came to him and told him he’d have to pull HJR L.

“Why?” asked Knezek.

“Because I’m taking it,” Stamas told the dumbfounded freshman lawmaker.

And take it he did. Just a week after Knezek had introduced HJR L, Stamas introduced House Joint Resolution N (pdf). You might think that with such a blatant theft Stamas would have added his own spin to the resolution. You would be wrong. HJR L and HJR N are identical, word-for-word.

Well, then. Knezek was about as generous as he could be about it, saying he was glad to see it passed even if it wasn't his bill. I suppose that's true, but someone ought to put the bully in the corner.



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eldiablopoco
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 7:17:17 PM

"Was this a democrat vs. republican maneuver?"

The sad part is you might be wrong on this occasion. The Republicans here have been playing some dirty games, not to say that the Democrats didn't when they controlled; but, you would think that with the public watching they would try to be transparent. Remember the Roy Schmidt Scandal!
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 12:15:47 AM

In summary, 35 democrats, and 12 republicans were on record for introducing the first bill.

Bill #2:
2 democrats, +3 named again from the first bill, for a total of 5
10 republicans +1 named again from the first bill, for a total of 11

The house has a republican majority, 59 to 51

32 democrats were snubbed off the first bill.
11 republicans were snubbed off the first bill.

Was this stupid? yeah.
Was this a democrat vs. republican maneuver? I doubt it, it was probably more a freshman representative vs. seasoned representative thing. Just another sign of how MOST ALL politicians, democratic and republican, work on increasing their statuses instead of what's best for the people.

[Edited by: EZExit at 4/25/2013 12:21:03 AM EST]
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 12:05:31 AM

Thanks for the links, Marty, those worked for me... I took the liberty to balance the names with the party faces in each of the bills, to try and get an accurate picture of what is happening here.

Bill introduced February 28, 2013, Introduced by Reps. Knezek (D), Santana (D), Kosowski (D), Yanez (D), Dianda (D), Stallworth (D), Ananich (D), Darany (D), Segal (D), Brinks (D), Crawford (R), Hooker (R), Barnett (D), Slavens (D), Singh (D), Lane (D), Banks (D), Zemke (D), Cavanagh (D), Kelly (R), Haines (R), Driskell (D), Zorn (R), Haugh (D), LaVoy (D), Rutledge (D), Cochran (D), Dillon (D), Hobbs (D), Townsend (D), Robinson (D), Smiley (D), Brown (D), Stanley (D), Brunner (D), Geiss (D), Lipton (D), Outman (R), Genetski (R), Kesto (R), Muxlow (R), Tlaib (D), Roberts (D), MacGregor (R) and Oakes (D) and referred to the Committee on Military and Veterans Affairs.

Bill introduced March 7, 2013, Introduced by Reps. Stamas, Hobbs (D)#2, Glardon (R), Kelly (R)#2, McCready (R), Schmidt (R), Graves (R), Foster (R), Pettalia (R), Potvin (R), Lund (R), Rendon (R), Yanez (D), Segal (D)#2, Lamonte (D), Lauwers (R)and Knezek (D)#2 and referred to the Committee on Military and Veterans Affairs.

Michigan State House Roster

[Edited by: EZExit at 4/25/2013 12:07:00 AM EST]
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 10:06:39 PM

Do you think this happens in California? You know, where 85% of the general assembly (and a supermajority in both houses) are Democrats?
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NickHammer
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 9:35:12 PM

>>Nick, both of your links go 404 error.<<

OK, this is weird. When I click on the link, I get the 404 error. But if I then click in the address bar and press Enter, the page comes up. I've never seen that before.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 9:30:19 PM

HIJR-L


HIJR-N
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 8:55:32 PM

Nick, both of your links go 404 error.
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worryfree
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 8:50:32 PM

I wonder how often this sort of thing happens nationwide?
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NickHammer
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 8:49:21 PM

>>Source?<<

House Resolution L

House Resolution N

The resolutions are towards the bottom - do a search on "1963" and you'll find them.
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 8:22:59 PM

Source?
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 8:10:44 PM

Patience... patience...
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michaelphoenix2
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 7:39:35 PM

I challenge one of our boards conservatives to come and defend this idiotic practice.
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