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teacher_tim

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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 8:40:33 AM

"When President Obama signed the fiscal cliff deal in January, he hoped that the threat of automatic sequestration spending cuts would force Republicans to raise taxes. But now that sequestration has started and the federal government is functioning just fine at sequestration funding levels, Obama is looking to increase the spending pain.

Enter the Federal Aviation Administration and the furloughing of on-duty air traffic controllers. After high winds and heavy traffic caused some minor East Coast airport delays Monday, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., rushed to the Senate floor to score political points.

“In airports across the country, millions of Americans will get their first taste of the pain of sequestration,” Reid said yesterday. “But many Americans have been feeling that pain for weeks. We cannot and we should not only address the FAA cuts. We cannot ignore the sequester’s overall effect on Americans.”

Problem, not only does the FAA have enough money to pay all their scheduled on-duty air traffic controllers, even after the sequester they actually have more money then they requested for 2013.

Here are the facts: President Obama’s 2013 FAA Budget Request asked for just $15.172 billion. But Congress gave them an extra $1.1 billion for the Grants-in-Aid for Airports program, bringing their total 2013 funding to $16.668 billion. Then the sequester lopped off $669 million in FAA funding, leaving them with $15.999 billion.

But that $15.999 billion is more money than they originally asked for to run the entire agency! In other words, if Obama wanted to, he could re-purpose the Grants-in-Aid money he never wanted, and use it to keep 100 percent of the air traffic controllers on-duty. If Obama believes he does not have the discretion to do this, he could easily ask Congress for it. The Republicans would gladly give it to him.

But the entire point of sequestration is to inflict pain on Republicans [and all Americans]. So don’t look for Obama to exercise his discretion to prevent airport delays anytime soon."

I don't, do you?link to source
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gassprite
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2013 4:11:39 PM

I'm leaving the politics forums. I got spanked a couple of times by GB. It's their candy store. So I'll go somewhere else for political talk. But if you want to know whether or not I washed my car or changed my oil today, you know where to check. LOL Thanks for a fun week or two.
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2013 2:10:07 PM

Come on, gocatgo, how do you (or Obama) expect the FAA to operate with more money than they had last year?
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2013 1:58:59 PM

Come on, gocatgo, how do you expect the FAA to operate with more money than they had last year?
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gassprite
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2013 1:56:23 PM

>>Many liberals feel that the more money the government spends, the healthier the economy.

I'm not one of them. I believe the government needs to spend more money when the economy is bad and pay off debt when the economy is good. This is a basic liberal economic policy and it makes perfect sense to anyone but those that don't understand how the economy works.

>>What is happening with the FAA is clearly one of two things, either the management is inept and unable to oversee their operations, or two, this is a punitive action designed to create pressure to coerce the US government to act in a way they see fit.

Seems unlikely it is Obama is using the situation to pressure the rest of the government. The Democratically controlled Senate just passed legislation to allow the FAA to take other actions other than reducing ATC hours. The bill would let the FAA use up to $253 million from airport improvement and other accounts to end the furloughs for the controllers through the Sept. 30 end of the federal fiscal year. Now, if the president signs the bill, he will have the ability to cut other items from the FAA.

It's too bad the congress doesn't see that cutting Four million Meals on Wheels for seniors is as important, and that over 70,000 eligible children not being able to get on to Head Start is not a problem. No, the only place that democrats can get cooperation from the republicans is to restore service that will directly affect republican law makers.
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2013 1:37:41 PM

Come on, gocat, be honest with yourself here. There are no "cutbacks", there are however reductions in the year to year increases in spending.

Either substantiate with a source that shows the FAA budget is less than last year (a cutback), or admit that I am right. Come on, I dare you. :)



[Edited by: EZExit at 4/26/2013 1:39:53 PM EST]
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2013 1:33:16 PM



When you have cutbacks somebody suffers including the well to do at airports. Suddenly cons are talking to dems and working out a problem. Amazing isn't it? I dare say entitlement cutbacks to some of the hungry 47% will mean the same to con politicians as long waits in airports do. Shock, Shock.
This all comes back to being for cutbacks before you were against them. "Inflicting pain for repubs" that are so naive to believe that no one will be hurt by the sequester least of all them is stupid. I expect with more cutbacks it will get worse.

nstrd, I'll remind you that among the 74 yea votes cast for Sequester, 28 came from cons in the Senate. The Budget Control Act passed with 269 votes of which 174 were cons in the HoR. Cons never considered the fact that the upper crust could be hurt by cutbacks. Bummer, huh? I call it justice.
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2013 1:01:56 PM

Many liberals feel that the more money the government spends, the healthier the economy. I am at a loss though as to where I might find a CBO report or a bonafide economist that would support the hypothesis that spending more money increases financial health (especially when the financial health of the government is so poor).

What is happening with the FAA is clearly one of two things, either the management is inept and unable to oversee their operations, or two, this is a punitive action designed to create pressure to coerce the US government to act in a way they see fit. My money is on the second scenario.
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gassprite
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2013 12:37:19 PM

>>The sequester was Obama's idea

Really doesn't matter who's idea it was. Democrats were desperate to get the republicans on board to act responsibily and pay for the spending they, the republicans and democrats, has authorized and directed Obama to spend. Spending legislation MUST start in the house, not the whitehouse or senate. The Constitution makes that clear.

>>in your world it is "fiscally responsible" to borrow more money AND increase spending in order to "pay our bills".

It is fiscally responsible to pay our bills. I didn't say anything about borrowing more money for future spending. However, it is clear that we would have to borrow more money to pay our bills.

On the subject of future spending, I do believe we should be spending, and spending a lot to get our economy recovering faster than it already is. To the extent we have to borrow to spend the amount necessary to get our economy back up to speed, I say borrow away. Why? Because, like republicans, I believe the solution to our employment and debt problems can only be found in a healthy growing economy. Unlike republicans, I do not believe we do that by tranfering more of the nation's wealth to the already wealthy. I believe government investment in repairing and advancing our infrastructure will create jobs and demand and help ensure future growth by providing business the infrastructure they need to conduct business. In order to grow we have to be willing, as a nation, to take risks. All the right wing cowardly hand wringing about paying the debt down now is wrong, wrong, wrong. If we did that way it would be the worst thing we could do for our children because it would destroy our economy more than the republicans have already destroyed it.
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2013 10:48:45 AM

How does Obama expect to keep the airports moving with more money than they received last year? LOL
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florida1541
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2013 10:17:17 AM

gass surely even you understand that we can,t keep spending money we don,t have 47% recieve some form of goverment aid and the cbo has said if we taxed all the people at 100% we still coul not balance the buget
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Cliffisher
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2013 8:12:21 AM

Airport on time schedule is very important to the congress members.

How else can they fly home on Thursday afternoon and rush back to work on the following Monday night in order to make it to work at noon on Tuesday.

Shucks, they might even have to work a full week.

[Edited by: Cliffisher at 4/26/2013 8:13:24 AM EST]
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2013 8:06:11 AM

gassprite, "The sequester is owned by republicans. Had republicans acted responsibly and approved the debt ceiling extension there would have been no sequester legislation. This is what I mean about conservatives not taking responsibility. The debt ceiling extension was necessary for the nation to pay bills already incurred. Democrats wanted to do the fiscally responsible thing and pay our bills..,"

Now THAT is funny!!!! The sequester was Obama's idea, he signed it into law. Increase the debt ceiling? Fiscally responsible thing and paying our bills????

Oh, I see, in your world it is "fiscally responsible" to borrow more money AND increase spending in order to "pay our bills".

Maybe this will help you understand it:

Debt limit explained
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2013 7:59:27 AM

gassprite, ">>These people that you say do not get health care, why don't they buy health insurance?

They have health insurance. It's called Medicare."

Then why don't they go to a doctor when needed if they have insurance?

It seems you are confused here. If they have insurance, who is denying them health care?
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2013 12:04:20 AM

Gass: "The fault with these GOPers is that they don't give a damn about the most vulnerable Americans."

The American flying public, inconvenienced,.....numbering among the "Most Vulnerable Americans" !!!

LOL !!!

Best line I have heard in weeks!
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 10:41:09 PM

Yeah, it is clearly evident that Washington really wants the people to feel the pain, because of the temper tantrum on not increasing spending as much as they wanted. The FAA's budget is more than it was last year, but suddenly, this year, it's not enough. The government's appetite for taxing and spending is insatiable:)
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gassprite
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 9:51:30 PM

>>Who is being denied medical care? Hospitals, by law have to treat anyone that goes to the emergency room!

You're suggesting that the only medical care people get is at a hospital.

>>These people that you say do not get health care, why don't they buy health insurance?

They have health insurance. It's called Medicare.

>>Tell us, whose idea was the sequester? And who is the president that signed it into law? Could he have vetoed it?

The sequester is owned by republicans. Had republicans acted responsibly and approved the debt ceiling extension there would have been no sequester legislation. This is what I mean about conservatives not taking responsibility. The debt ceiling extension was necessary for the nation to pay bills already incurred. Democrats wanted to do the fiscally responsible thing and pay our bills. Republicans wanted to hold the economy hostage to their political agenda. The economic recovery is in low gear because of the conservative congress that is trying, and to a certain extent succeeding, to turn our nation into a plutocracy. To be more accurate, they are trying to maintain the plutocracy that took over in earnest in the Rayscum years.

[Edited by: gassprite at 4/25/2013 9:52:40 PM EST]
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gassprite
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 9:33:27 PM

>>obama to conservative, Lol. So you think the government doesn't have enough control over our lives, I can think of several other countries that you would probably like better them here.

What I think is what I said. Not what you are trying to turn it into. But I do agree with your suggestion that there are many other countries where the government has far more control over the lives of their populace than our government has over us.
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 4:21:12 PM

gassprite, "The fault with these GOPers is that they don't give a damn about the most vulnerable Americans. They don't see, as you demonstrate, any pain being inflicted on those vulnerable people who are being denied medical care, etc."

Who is being denied medical care? Hospitals, by law have to treat anyone that goes to the emergency room!

These people that you say do not get health care, why don't they buy health insurance?

" That's all they know and if they can blame it on Obama even though it isn't his fault, so much the better."

Tell us, whose idea was the sequester? And who is the president that signed it into law? Could he have vetoed it?

Are you saying that Obama is not responsible for his own ideas and the bills he signs into law??? Really???

[Edited by: nstrdnvstr at 4/25/2013 4:23:41 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 4:14:59 PM

obama to conservative, Lol. So you think the government doesn't have enough control over our lives, I can think of several other countries that you would probably like better them here.
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gassprite
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 4:08:27 PM

>>gass, seems to be a typical liberal, that refuses to open their eyes to what obama is doing.

I am a liberal with my eyes wide open. I wish Obama was a liberal, too. His presidency has been far to conservative to meet the needs of the nation.
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gassprite
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 4:03:17 PM

The fault with these GOPers is that they don't give a damn about the most vulnerable Americans. They don't see, as you demonstrate, any pain being inflicted on those vulnerable people who are being denied medical care, etc. If they did, they would have said something about that. But they didn't say anything about that. GOPers only comprehend pain that they experience. Most of these GOPer legislators have to fly into and out of DC on a regular basis. And like any good GOPer, they can only identify with pain that they experience. Their plane is running late and they want it to run on time. That's all they know and if they can blame it on Obama even though it isn't his fault, so much the better.
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 3:53:50 PM

obama, is doing what he said he would do, but hopefully, it will come back to bite him, and his party of fear big time.

gass, seems to be a typical liberal, that refuses to open their eyes to what obama is doing.
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 3:19:05 PM

Humor me gas....how is this the fault of the GOP?
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gassprite
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 3:14:40 PM

>>Thank you for making the point for them...they have taken money from programs to "make it hurt" and not from places that will not affect people.

The point made is that the republican lawmakers care not about any inconvenience the Executive's actions may have created unless those actions effect them personally.
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 10:11:58 AM

"Medicare patients students receiving help from Head Start or, and this is indicative of the republicans hypocrisy when it comes to our military personell, military students that have lost their tuition assistance."

Thank you for making the point for them...they have taken money from programs to "make it hurt" and not from places that will not affect people.

And of course the Army, Marines, and Air Force have already reinstated the tuition assistance because the realized using the troops as political pawns was WRONG!!!!
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 9:52:56 AM

"Tell me, why couldn't the FAA close, for example, it's Press Office for, say, 2 days a week?"

Because that wouldn't cause inconvenience to citizens so no one would care.
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 1:46:31 AM

Obamas little game is the butt of all jokes right now -- no longer believable after the WhiteHouse tours closure.

Everyone remembers hottub guy in Las Vegas blowing hundreds of thousands in taxpayer Dollars -- annually!

Endless low hanging fruit of useless spending to come up with $64B. Start with the non-value added jaunts on Obamas BIG corporate jet for fundraisers. A run to California and back to make a divisive speech is $1M now days!
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 11:53:51 PM

Tell me, why couldn't the FAA close, for example, it's Press Office for, say, 2 days a week? But they didn't. It's still open. Wouldn't everyone here agree that that's nonessential?
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 10:32:02 AM

The FAA is planning to close five air towers in Georgia. I've flown into each of these fields, two of them quite frequently. These towers use contractors rather than FAA employees and with one exception, the controllers won't be missed. Aviators know how to announce their intentions and how to operate at an uncontrolled field. Actually, quite often uncontrolled fields are easier to fly in and out of than a field with a tower.

The one exception is Ben Epps Field in Athens, GA on days when UGA has a home game. I think that Athens-Clarke County or UGA will have to come up with some bucks to bring in a controller on those weekends.
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gassprite
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 9:41:49 AM

Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood says the FAA has already shifted funds within accounts to avoid furloughs while still protecting air travel safety. The agency has cut contracts, stopped funding for low traffic towers and reduced the amount of traveling among its officials.

Republican staffers noted that the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee has identified over $2.7 billion in non-personnel operations costs that the FAA could reduce, including contracts, travel, supplies and consultants.

The Washington Post's Glenn Kessler looked into how the sequester would affect the FAA's budget during a fact-checking column back in late February, and sided with LaHood. The House Transportation Committee, Kessler wrote, was not taking into account that consulting contracts were for telecommunication and weather radar assistance, or that travel services were being done to conduct on-site equipment repair. These too were important functions that couldn't be slashed. Kessler gave Republicans a chance to respond with additional information to bolster their case. Republicans never got back to him.

As usual, it's the republicans that are lying to the public. Everyone will notice that republicans have made no noise about sequestration cuts that have effected Medicare patients students receiving help from Head Start or, and this is indicative of the republicans hypocrisy when it comes to our military personell, military students that have lost their tuition assistance.
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