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flyboyUT

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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2013 6:36:29 PM

Anyone want to bet if she will accept the facts?
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>>>EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

An ongoing Congressional investigation across five House Committees concerning the events surrounding the September 11, 2012, terrorist attacks on U.S. facilities in Benghazi, Libya has made several determinations to date, including:

Reductions of security levels prior to the attacks in Benghazi were approved at the highest levels of the State Department, up to and including Secretary Clinton. This fact contradicts her testimony before the House Foreign Affairs Committee on January 23, 2013.

In the days following the attacks, White House and senior State Department officials altered accurate talking points drafted by the Intelligence Community in order to protect the State Department.

Contrary to Administration rhetoric, the talking points were not edited to protect classified information. Concern for classified information is never mentioned in email traffic among senior Administration officials. These preliminary findings illustrate the need for continued examination and oversight by the five House Committees. The Committees will continue to review who exactly was responsible for the failure to respond to the repeated requests for more security and for the effort to cover up the nature of the attacks, so that appropriate officials will be held accountable.<<<

Honest people already knew much of this and we do say it makes a difference - even at this date and into the future.
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2013 10:27:26 AM

worryfree: "What difference, at this point, does it make?”

worryfree does not seem to care about the lives of American citizens either.

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>>>>>>"Johnson again suggested Americans were “misled” by the administration into believing there were “protests” that led to the assault, which prompted a forceful response from Clinton: “With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest, or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided they’d go kill some Americans? What difference, at this point, does it make?” she asked in an agitated tone."

Try and get the whole quote next time<<<<<<<<<

I am more than willing to look at the quote in context.


What I see from this entire quote is a politician who doesn’t want to talk about the lack of security and missed signs of a clear and eminent threat before an attack on an instillation she was responsible to keep safe. By attempting to mislead the public and the rest of congress as to how the attack unfolded and the decisions that lead up to the attack she is trying to avoid responsibility for her failures. Responsibility she at first said stopped with her.

The difference at this point is not what can be done for the men that lost their lives because they cannot be brought back. The difference will be made by what is learned from a full and honest investigation into how this came to be and why the breakdown happened. The difference as to whether or not this was a spontaneous protest or a planned attack will hopefully shape the way American diplomats are protected.

Knowing if this was a reaction to a video or a terrorist attack will help the military and politicians know what to expect, how to prepare and respond to any future anti-Islamic provocations. Knowing what really happened will also help to understand what some of the indicators of a potential future attack, terrorist or angry mob.

The difference now is how we will prevent this from happening again. To do this we need the full and complete truth. The difference will be very important to the next diplomat that is sent to a dangerous posting.

Apparently Ms. Clinton feels that protecting her rear end and those of her friends is more important than what the real answers may be able to achieve.

By the way if I was a loved one of one of the victims, and what we are starting to hear is true I would be after Ms. Clinton for gross professional negligence resulting in death. I’m sure there would be any number of groups that would pay the bill.
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Message Posted: Apr 26, 2013 1:17:31 AM


johnnyg1200, "That is the most cowardly statement I have ever heard"

You have put your finger on the motivations of this sorry administration.

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worryfree
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 11:58:14 PM

"What difference, at this point, does it make?”
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 10:32:38 PM

Well written, Johnny! I wish that could be made into a "sticky" on this thread.
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 9:21:52 PM

Johnny...post that again so they get it.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 7:26:05 PM

Hit em again Johnny - they still don't quite have the message.
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 7:18:25 PM

I can accept the mistakes that led up to the attack as ones made due to political correctness, inexperience and naive wishful thinking.

I can accept the attempted cover up and the intentional lies that went with it as an attempt to save the hide one or more politician and/or political appointees.

I can only hope that future politician learn from these mistakes as a very costly object lesson.

I will admit some of what I saying is from memory so if I get some of the numbers wrong feel free to set me straight.

The attack lasted for a total of eight hours give or take. During that eight hour period nothing was done to rescue or assist the men at the diplomatic consulate. After the consulate was evacuated nothing was done to rescue or assist the men at the CIA annex.

As a veteran I find this to be completely unacceptable. The U.S. should never abandon its people for any reason. We have heard reports that the men in the consulate requested assistance and the men at the CIA annex were told to stand down. We only have the word of government officials as to what happened. The same government official that will look extremely bad if this is true. The last I have heard the investigating comities still have not been allowed to talk to the survivors. I have to wonder why?????? If you have a link that show interviews with the survivors please let me have it. I would love to read what they have to say.

When asked why we didn’t send in assistance from Grease or Italy one official responded we won’t send men in until we have all the details of what is happening on the ground. That is the most cowardly statement I have ever heard. Every man and woman I know in the military is willing to die in an attempt the rescue comrades that are in over their heads, that includes both military personal and American civilians who need help. We are willing to make that sacrifice because we know someone else is willing to make the same sacrifice for us if we get in over our head. The military almost never knows what it is getting into. Even if we think we know it usually changes before we get there or shortly after. There’s a reason “Military Intelligence” is considered an oxymoron in military circles.

The reaction or lack of a reaction during the attack projected weakness and invites more attacks in the future. But more importantly it demonstrates that, like in Somalia, we will not help our own, and our men and women who serve this county in the military, as civilian government representatives and civilian government workers cannot count on America to protect or even attempt to help them if things go wrong. I want the heads of the people who made the decision to stand around wringing their hands and do nothing.
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 5:04:32 PM

Fly, fret not, I still have yet to see one post in this thread that links to any evidence that disputes the findings of these congressional committees. When you have been boxed into a corner, the only defense is criticism of your choice of words and other non-responsive gibberish.

I also don't think Hillary was entirely at fault, it was hard into election season, and I'll bet the actions taken were pretty much handled by the White House propaganda handlers, Rice and Clinton were just sacrificial lambs.
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 4:59:47 PM

worry, and sgm4law, I can't help but wonder, If it had been your son, or another relative that was killed, would you feel the same?
From obama on down, they are trying to hide something, And I think it will come out, I'm just afraid, they will manage to keep it hid till after obama is out of office

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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 4:50:11 PM

Mrs. Clinton 2016! (not.)
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 4:44:17 PM

SGM - I'm intending to start a discussion - not get banned for improper language.

The discussion seems to be saying that Hillary was not truthful under oath. Is that not supposed to be a big no-no.

I remember the advertisement when supposed she answered the phone in the middle of the night. She not only didn't answer the phone on this one but she had the phone company disconnect the service and then lied about it afterward.

What kind of poor quality performance in a job does it take to get some folks riled up?

Oh by the way we aren't talking about what someone else of any other party or politics did at some time in the past or some different place - we are specifically talking about Hillary and what she did here.

[Edited by: flyboyUT at 4/25/2013 4:46:09 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 4:38:10 PM

worryfree, "Try and get the whole quote next time"

The whole quote makes her look even worse, but thanks for posting it.

It WASN'T because of a protest and it WASN'T because of guys out for a walk one night who decided they’d go kill some Americans!!

Her whole answer was a bold faced lie!

But "what difference does it make", right worryfree?

It was a planned out attack, wasn't it worryfree. There were videos of the perpetrators and none have been brought to justice, have they worryfree? In fact, when the White House heard of the attack, the administration did NOTHING to help them. In fact, CIA personnel were told to stand down when they were going to try to help, weren't they worryfree! It is also a fact that those at Benghazi requested additional security. In addition, Clinton said that she did not turn down the request for additional security, didn't she worryfree? But now we have a document that was signed by Clinton that denied that request!

" Republican committees are going to try and make Dems look as bad as they can."

The Dems are doing a fine job all by themselves.
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 11:46:10 AM

flyboy, since so many on the right seem to think Benghazi is the worst thing ever (and key to getting Obama out of the White House or preventing Hillary from getting in), don't you think you should have used stronger terminology than kerfluffle?
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 11:39:30 AM

>>Hill-Billy Clinton botched this badly, both on the intel and on the security (and on the rescue, for that matter).<<

Rescue? Did I miss something? There was a rescue?
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 11:35:34 AM

<<worryfree, I believe Hillary's quote was "What difference does it make?">>

Wait, didn't she say, "What difference now does it make?" I remember it being very awkwardly phrased. Not sure if that's it.
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 10:09:20 PM

Worryfree - don't make this about the previous administration. Hill-Billy Clinton botched this badly, both on the intel and on the security (and on the rescue, for that matter). At least have the decency to say: "Yeah, this was a big foul up and Clinton and Obama should have read the situation better." Can you say that, or are you so partisan as not to be able to admit that your demagogues might actually be human and might have made a big mistake?
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 9:28:29 PM

As opposed to Bush and Cheney who flat out refused to testify? Republican committees are going to try and make Dems look as bad as they can. Dems do the same thing to Repubs. It's called "politics as usual"...
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 9:24:14 PM

Worry the difference is that she signed the memo that denied the increased security. She lied about the cause of the event and she lied in saying it was that silly youtube thing when she knew it was a branch of Al Qaeda that said they did it.

Worry she lied to the American people, she lied to Congress and I have had it with Clinton's who perjure themselves.

Is there anything with what I said that isn't clear?

She lied under oath Worry - That is the DIFFERENCE!

Is that the type we want to be the next President?
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 8:43:37 PM

Partially quoting Hillary may feel good but it makes you look silly.

"Johnson again suggested Americans were “misled” by the administration into believing there were “protests” that led to the assault, which prompted a forceful response from Clinton: “With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest, or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided they’d go kill some Americans? What difference, at this point, does it make?” she asked in an agitated tone."

Try and get the whole quote next time
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 8:41:20 PM

It must be very devastating to democrats to read these reports of findings, look at the dismal evidence here that the contradict these committee's findings, such as "I would love for her to be the next President." and "The only possible conclusions coming from Republican led House committees." I am waiting for another educated contribution to the discussion, such as "I like turtles".

I envision democrats as the three monkeys, "See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" when trying to get to the bottom of the botched management of the Benghazi massacre. By avoiding the examination of the way Washington handled it, they think that it will just go away. There is nothing wrong with the truth, it can set you free!
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 8:35:43 PM

worryfree, I believe Hillary's quote was "What difference does it make?"

Hey, they could be her campaign theme!!!!
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 5:42:19 PM

There has been buzz about Hilary running for President. I hope she does not. If she does, I hope someone digs up her testimony before the House. "What does it matter", indeed!
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 1:08:26 PM

The only possible conclusions coming from Republican led House committees.
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 12:35:22 PM

I would love for her to be the next President.
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 8:44:04 AM

Hillary has been falling on swords for men for most of her life, she's used to it!
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2013 10:22:18 PM

I think I will keep that website and use it again when she tries to run for Obama's spot.
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2013 6:49:38 PM

will she fall on her sword to protect obama? It might depend on how badly she wants to run for president.
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2013 6:40:52 PM

think she was always a pig anyhow, so I put her pic up to honor her.

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(anyhow, i think it was and really should be blamed on bho, he's a pork barrell dork if there ever was one as a potus)
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