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RNorm

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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2013 11:20:58 PM

"A controversial cybersecurity bill that would let private companies, like Facebook, Google and Twitter, share information with the federal government without a warrant is one step closer to becoming a law.

The U.S. House of Representatives on Thursday voted to approve the Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA) with a vote of 288-127, CNET reports.

According to The Hill, the bill passed with more support than last year, with 92 Democrats voting with Republicans. The same bill passed with a vote of 248-168 last year.

Supporters of CISPA say it is not meant to infringe on the privacy of Americans, and argue that the bill is important for national security.

"This is not a surveillance bill," Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.), who authored the bill, said during the floor debate. "It does not allow the national security agencies or the Department of Defense or our military organizations to monitor our domestic networks."

Opponents of the bill say it is a threat to the privacy of Internet users. Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) says CISPA is problematic because it does not require private sector firms to remove personal information before sharing it with the government, CNET reports.

Privacy advocates have already begun to mobilize against CISPA. The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) argues that the bill is poorly drafted and poses a threat to civil liberties, and has asked its supporters to call their Representatives. "


Background checks for guns are infringing on the constitution, but government being able to read your private communications is ok? HUH???
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2013 6:19:54 PM

I think all Islamic/Muslim communications should be monitored.
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2013 5:52:05 PM

The government has way to much access to our personal information, as it is, and they seem to always want more.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2013 5:48:00 PM

"Not to mention, cyber hackers aren't going after FB and other social media sites and they don't use those sites to communicate amongst themselves either."

You didn't read my earlier post did you? They use them as portals into secure websites and systems. People leave them logged in and thus they can backdoor firewalls and other things. That is why the federal government usually blocks social media sites.
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Panama19
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2013 2:21:00 PM


RNorm, "I've said this before, but I really don't trust the government to do right with information"

How much do you trust them to do right with health care?

Or gun control?

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theTower
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2013 1:23:36 PM

I am counting on my president to veto this.
(rolls eyes)
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2013 1:19:19 PM

AF:

I've said this before, but I really don't trust the government to do right with information. And having companies voluntarily give information to the government is very dangerous. They did that under Bush (and gave companies retroactive immunity when it was shown that what they were doing was illegal) and the way this bill is written, they could be "protecting against a cyber attack" and then start monitoring people's information being shared on social media for other purposes.

Not to mention, cyber hackers aren't going after FB and other social media sites and they don't use those sites to communicate amongst themselves either.

Not mention that the Boston bombing was cited as a justification for passing this bill, even though there is no indication that either of those brothers were part of any hacker network, terror group or even communicated in regards to their plot via social network.

I just think that this is a bad idea to address a real problem.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2013 12:19:36 PM

RNorm, read the bill. It is not even about looking for terrorist attacks but about cyber attacks so they can track them.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2013 11:27:09 AM

But the thing is that the "terrorists" who are dumb enough to make threats on FB, Twitter, Google and the rest, have pretty much been caught before their "plots" materialize. So they don't need a bill for that as they're already looking at all of social media for such threats.

But being able to force service providers to turn over private communications like email is a very bad slippery slope which would be completely abused with a Nixonian type administration.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2013 9:58:47 AM

"This is yet another attempt to create a law that isn't needed other than to put yet another government tentacle into the lives of US citizens."

Read the bill...it is not what it is about. There is some vague language in it that can be cleaned up but its purpose is pretty good. It is to help track cyber attacks because a lot of them come through opened portals like google and FB...thus the reason the federal government usually blocks social sites.
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Panama19
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2013 9:56:49 AM


It doesn't look unreasonable to me, but then I was in favor of data mining of communications between overseas terrorists when the trunk lines passed through the U.S.

The Constitution is not a suicide pact.

Also, if Obama has threatened to veto it, how bad can it possibly be for Americans?


[Edited by: Panama19 at 4/23/2013 9:58:52 AM EST]
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2013 8:42:28 AM

This is a classic "paperwork reduction" act.

Just think of all the paper that will be saved as the FBI and CIA don't need to bother to get search warrants?
They can just troll their way in through Google, which is totally complicit. (Nothing has changed here....)
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2013 7:30:15 AM

"Like the Patriot act --

During Bush: Diabolical Republican plan
During Obama: Good National security "


Um, I know you know that I said the government spying on US citizens was wrong REGARDLESS of who is president.
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Bell30012
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2013 7:25:34 AM

And when this bill sails through the Senate and is signed into law by the President, you will still hear people like RNorm decrying the Republicans as the evil bad guys.
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2013 2:09:07 AM

Here's some outrage from the right! Why in the #@$% is congress working on all of these social engineering bills, when they have yet to pass a budget and fix the bleeding that is out of control?

This is yet another attempt to create a law that isn't needed other than to put yet another government tentacle into the lives of US citizens.
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e_jeepin
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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2013 1:39:15 AM

Seems reasonable. I think its funny that people are losing out on getting jobs because they are belligerent on Facebook. Some of my former student employees 15 years ago (now 35ish) are amateur liberal kook conspiracy authors. They wont be employed long either.

"It's OK when Republicans do it because they are SO much smarter. "

Like the Patriot act --

During Bush: Diabolical Republican plan
During Obama: Good National security

Like the bank of China Credit card --

During Bush "unpatriotic"
During Obama "we dont have a spending problem"

Yeah, we get it

[Edited by: e_jeepin at 4/23/2013 1:43:12 AM EST]
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2013 11:58:41 PM

What is CISPA, and Why Should You Care?
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2013 11:58:12 PM

Hmm...just did my research on it and propose you do the same. You may not think it is such a bad bill with a little tweaking. But because it was proposed by a Republican it must be bad, bad, bad...

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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2013 11:53:34 PM

Wasn't it the Democrats that proposed something similar recently and you all never said anything? BTW, FB and Twitter do not need to "share information"...when you post it there it is public so I guess that shouldn't even be an issue.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2013 11:25:14 PM

LOL, ok, now it all makes sense!

Thanks!! *snark*
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worryfree
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2013 11:22:25 PM

It's OK when Republicans do it because they are SO much smarter.
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