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RNorm

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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2013 8:30:01 AM

The shoe is always different when you're the one that has to wear them...
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eldiablopoco
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 7:31:04 PM

"Diablo, it is refreshing to see educated opinion such as yours that is also consistent. This is a rare trait on these boards"

Thank you for the support. It is just sad that people want others to do all their thinking. I was reading something in the news paper a while back and this family was talking about how this was the second year the Mississippi River overflowed it banks and flooded their house. It just made me think that the first time was a laps in my judgement of doing due diligence for my habitat. The second time was my stupidity because the first time told me that the river can breach it banks and I should have moved after the first time.
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 8:31:06 PM

Diablo, it is refreshing to see educated opinion such as yours that is also consistent. This is a rare trait on these boards.

I suppose now we need to wait and see who moves to make what looting of taxpayer monies in any West, Texas aid package. My expectations of politicians are low these days, and thus they rarely disappoint me.
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eldiablopoco
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 8:03:27 PM

"How's the flood state up there? Hope everyone is able to get as prepared as much as possible."

Well, when you live along the river and lakes, it is such a beautiful sight during the summer and even the winter. You have access to the water all year around. But when the snow melts and the rain falls during the spring and your house or business ends up underwater because you built or bought to close to the river or lake you want to be in the media crying like it never happens makes me laugh. I did see a picture of a guy that had to boat to his house in Comstock Park. It was shocking to see how much the water had risen, but thats what happens when you build on the flood grounds.

"Detroit might not experience hurricanes, but it does experience poor management of taxpayer money. Just dumb curiosity on my part, not that I am trying to say that you are incorrect, but how do you feel about the taxpayer (federal government) bailing Detroit out of THAT calamity?"

The only taxpayer that should be bailing out Detroit is Detroit. But Detroit is a calamity of its own. The leadership wasn't doing what it was suppose to be doing. They don't collect fines, they don't collect property taxes, they don't manage the revenue from their assets properly, the politicians are don't provide equal representation, politicians pushed for money to be invested in the stock market thinking it was a win-win opportunity but failed/ignored that someone always has to lose, etc. But this isn't restricted to Detroit, the entire country is a mess for the same reasons. Municipalities that claim that their finances are in order are full of crap. These municipalities are just not messed up to the same degree as Detroit.

Detroit think it's entitled, the suburbs think their entitled, but their feelings of entitlement is toward the property or rights of someone else. Detroit wants to make decisions with the financial assistance for the state because the leadership feels that it is owed money that even if it is, they are not going to see. The suburbs want Detroit municipal owned assets because those asset have the potential to make revenue that could lower the tax liability on them, i.e. Water Department.

Detroiters need to get rid of poor management instead of continuing to vote in poor management. The sad part is that it seems in any election, whether it be local, state, or federal, the crooks are all in politics.
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 7:25:43 PM

Czechs to send funds to blast-hit Texas town


The Czech Republic plans to donate 4 million koruna (some $200,000) to help the Texas town of West recover from a devastating fertilizer plant explosion.

The government decided to the provide aid in solidarity because a significant number of people in the town of 2,700 have Czech roots. The blast damaged numerous homes in the town.

The Foreign Ministry says Czech Ambassador to the U.S. Petr Gandalovic visited West last week and talked to Texas Gov. Rick Perry, West Mayor Tommy Muska and other officials about how to help.

A ministry statement Wednesday said the money will go toward repairing property in the town.

Thousands of Czechs, mostly from the eastern part known of Moravia, settled in Texas more than 100 years ago.


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Message Posted: Apr 23, 2013 1:08:18 AM

"...but how do you feel about the taxpayer (federal government) bailing Detroit out of THAT calamity?"

Regardless of any answer, they are two different situations. One is caused by nature, the other, according to your premise, is a man made error most likely caused by stupidity.

Now a case can be made for at least some of the problems in West, Texas, is also due to the latter situation, like believing in the Conservative concept of Ruggeded Individualism and no government regulation such that even the idea of "zoning" where a Middle School and a Nursing Home should not be anywhere near a fertilizer plant smacks of Communism or at least Socialism to Perry types.

And the idea of a Federal EPA is a government Communist organization (that if not done away with) whose rules should be cheated at every opportunity -- regardless of the needless loss of life that such Texas games may cost.

[Edited by: Passer at 4/23/2013 1:11:29 AM EST]
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2013 7:27:18 PM

eldiablo: <<<""No matter where you live you could have a disaster."">>>

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Detroit might not experience hurricanes, but it does experience poor management of taxpayer money. Just dumb curiosity on my part, not that I am trying to say that you are incorrect, but how do you feel about the taxpayer (federal government) bailing Detroit out of THAT calamity?
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2013 4:13:58 PM

Oh I think that RNorm did due dilligence in acknowledging that it was porked. He's just saying that all bills are porked.

The problem here is that I don't think that disaster aid is always from a bill (depending on the cost I guess). Also, I seem to recall that there was something pretty blatantly bad in the Sandy relief bill. I don't remember what it was though.

We should also acknowledge the democrats who voted it down for the same reason that the republicans did, no?
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Bell30012
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2013 4:07:21 PM

No one wants to admit that the Democrat controlled Senate ladened the Hurricane Sandy bill with the Pork while the Republicans fought it tooth and nail before finally voting it down.
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2013 3:05:46 PM

Diable, speaking of...
How's the flood state up there? Hope everyone is able to get as prepared as much as possible.
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eldiablopoco
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2013 2:32:56 PM

"No matter where you live you could have a disaster."

True, but if your having trouble getting the correct insurance coverage for that type of disaster then it should not be tax payer responsibility to cover your losses. Michigan doesn't get hit by Hurricanes, so why should I have to get a lesser return because the coast of NJ got wiped off the map. Hurricanes are part of the cost for living on the coastline just like forest fires are part of the cost of living in Southern California. Eventually you have to pay the piper and if you do your research some pipers are not as expensive as others!
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plastic
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2013 12:07:02 PM

>"Plast, is "not honest" the same as being biased?"

I don't know why you're asking me this. Perhaps it was mentioned earlier and I don't remember it. Sorry. I'll answer your question based on the words you posted.

I don't think that "not honest" and being biased are the same. Sure, bias can lead one to be not honest.
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2013 11:56:40 AM

eld, "the only thing politicians are good at is spending other peoples money and lies", hold on there buster. Some of these same politicians represent some of finest special interest groups in the world with all the zeal they can muster while posing as a representatives of the people of their state. "Move to an area where there are less twisters" could put you an area that may flood, have an earthquake or have hurricanes. No matter where you live you could have a disaster.

Plast, is "not honest" the same as being biased?
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eldiablopoco
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2013 11:32:38 AM

RNorm, I'll have you restricting relief funding to acts of war on U.S. soil and terrorism on U.S. soil soon. When people stop acting as if they are vicitims of their own actions then the world will start to become a better place. If you live in tornado alley and your home gets hit by a twister year after year, hopefully your insurance will cover it until you get enough brain matter to move to an area where there are "less twisters."
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2013 11:14:22 AM

>"I don't know, but as I said over the weekend, the more I read about how that company did everything in its power to avoid reporting and regulations, the more I feel that its THEY who should pay for the deaths and destruction of property."

Yeah!
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2013 11:00:02 AM

"Will the West TX aid be from appropriated emergency funds or will it require a bill?"


I don't know, but as I said over the weekend, the more I read about how that company did everything in its power to avoid reporting and regulations, the more I feel that its THEY who should pay for the deaths and destruction of property.
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2013 10:56:36 AM

>"At least EZ is honest enough to acknowledge that republicans, including those pointed out in my link way back did in fact lose their "principles" when their home districts were affected by some disaster and voted for relief, regardless of the pork attached to the bill. A rational person can see that, but obviously you can't or won't; whatever."

Are you saying I'm not honest? Of course republicans pork and earmark. They're politicians, aren't they? I never said that they don't.
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>"I would suggest that if you don't like my posts, then put me on ignore. However, this "republicans are people of principle who vote against pork" crap is getting old."

Who is saying that? Wasn't me, RNorm.
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Will the West TX aid be from appropriated emergency funds or will it require a bill?
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2013 11:57:29 PM

"gocatgo, your going to start me swearing on a Sunday."


LOL, hold on bro..you only got a few minutes left...
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eldiablopoco
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2013 11:55:24 PM

gocatgo, your going to start me swearing on a Sunday. I didn't like the fact that we went into Iraq based on a lie. I didn't like the fact that they didn't finish with Osama and jumped in Iraq. I didn't like that they promised to rebuild the country after they destroyed it. Broken promises, spending other peoples money, and lies are the only thing a politician is good at!

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RNorm
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2013 10:23:56 PM

"Does the West, Texas aid package have any pork in it? If so, time to vote it down, clean it up, and then, and only then, consider the passage of the bill."


I'm sure its being drafted as we speak.

However, looking at how long and far they went to avoided complying with regulations, that company and the local and state folks should pay for their negligence and not the US taxpayers.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2013 10:22:03 PM

"RNorm, I NEVER said anything about whether or not disaster relief bills contained pork or not. I simply asked you some questions."


Dude, for the past several days, you've been harping on technicalities to "prove me wrong" about whatever is irking you.

At least EZ is honest enough to acknowledge that republicans, including those pointed out in my link way back did in fact lose their "principles" when their home districts were affected by some disaster and voted for relief, regardless of the pork attached to the bill. A rational person can see that, but obviously you can't or won't; whatever.

I would suggest that if you don't like my posts, then put me on ignore. However, this "republicans are people of principle who vote against pork" crap is getting old.
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2013 9:16:43 PM

Pork is pork, this country has one foot in the bankruptcy grave, and the other foot on a banana peel. We can't afford pork no matter which political persuasion inserted it.

Does the West, Texas aid package have any pork in it? If so, time to vote it down, clean it up, and then, and only then, consider the passage of the bill.

[Edited by: EZExit at 4/21/2013 9:24:23 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2013 9:08:42 PM

RNorm, I NEVER said anything about whether or not disaster relief bills contained pork or not. I simply asked you some questions. But you just go ahead and act silly, put words in my mouth and encourage your little gocat to do the same. My mistake was to try to have a rational conversation with you.
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2013 3:50:05 PM

Rnorm, "pork" from a con? Bight your tongue. Most any Fox influenced con will tell you their pork is different.

Eld, your tirade against hurricane victims sounds good but many of those beautiful homes on the beaches are owned by wealthy cons with influence. Did you feel the same way when w Bush was liberating Iraq from it's brutal dictator? That little unfunded rescue operation was about a trillion bucks.
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eldiablopoco
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2013 12:11:49 PM

I'm a man of principle and my principles are rigid. Disaster relief should only go to individuals devistated by actions of war and terrorism on our shores. Screw Sandy and screw West, Texas when it comes to disaster relief funding. We buy insurance to mitigate risk associated with the unknown. You live on the coast where there is a possibility of being hit by a hurricane, you better have hurricane coverage. Those that live in the footprint of the fertilizer plant should have homeowners insurance to assist them during their time of need and a good attorney to sue for what the insurance will not cover. If you live on the flood plains of the Mississippi river and your house ends up 5ft underwater and you don't have flood insurance... Sorry, it sucks to be you!

If people maintained their principles and not flip flop when it is convenient for their plight then we might be in a better state of being.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2013 9:26:26 AM

"You look silly and you're getting all dusty. "


Since you can't even acknowledge that all disaster relief bills have had pork in them, and that people who have voted against bills for having pork, but vote for them when its their district in need, you seem kinda silly yourself.
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2013 9:21:37 AM

>" The fact remains that ALL these relief bills have pork in them, and when it hits someone's district, they drop their "anti-pork" principles and vote for their district.
ROTFL"

While you're rolling around, down there, why don't you answer the questions I asked you about the relief funds. Also, if the funds were in the form of a bill, how would Perry be able vote on it?

Get up,. You look silly and you're getting all dusty.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2013 9:10:41 AM

"I'm seeing too many, on the left in this case, trying to make a generalization and point a discrediting finger without addressing or exploring the facts. "


*ROTFL*

The fact remains that ALL these relief bills have pork in them, and when it hits someone's district, they drop their "anti-pork" principles and vote for their district.

So again, all these members of the texas congressional delegation will vote for disaster relief for West, Texas regardless of what pork is in such a bill...






" "When it hits home, RNorm, when it hits home....conservatives become liberals.""

Yes they do. Because again, the shoe is always different when you have to wear it.
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2013 9:04:08 AM

Diablo, I fully agree with you and would expect that most people would. That was not the case as presented by Pan (? I can't remember who now). Also, the question was raised how the Texas situation is different from the NY situation. I'm seeing too many, on the left in this case, trying to make a generalization and point a discrediting finger without addressing or exploring the facts.
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eldiablopoco
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2013 3:44:49 AM

plastic, the comment was pleasing to me because it is a true statement but its application can be applied to liberals too. Both stand on principles and falter when the principles suit their plights. Case and point: Sen. Scott Brown's utilization of the Affordable Care Act to ensure his 23 year old daughter while at the same time voting to have it repealed. His principles say that the Affordable Care Act is "not good for Americans;" yet his actions tell a different story.
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Message Posted: Apr 21, 2013 2:34:28 AM

That is the issue, gocat. And I do hold cons to the same standard. Just because you never see it doesn't mean it hadn't happened.

Also btc and Hiram took that same detour down the wrong track (with diablo in tow). I have no idea what Passer wrote because I've learned that it's usually a bunch of hooey anyway.
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eldiablopoco
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2013 8:58:59 PM

I love this comment from btc1, "When it hits home, RNorm, when it hits home....conservatives become liberals."
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2013 1:38:53 PM

"The good political folks in Texas should hold on to their principles..."

Their Governor, Perry, has trouble REMEMBERING his "principles", much less, holding on to them!
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2013 12:39:07 PM

"On Friday, President Obama issued an emergency declaration for Texas, allowing the state to obtain federal assistance to help pay for the recovery."

The good political folks in Texas should hold on to their principles and reject the aid. What are the odds of that happening?
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2013 12:36:05 PM

On Friday, President Obama issued an emergency declaration for Texas, allowing the state to obtain federal assistance to help pay for the recovery.
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2013 11:51:04 AM

>>Topic: Voting "NO" for Sandy Relief, but now requesting Federal Aid for West, Texas?<

and

>>The shoe is always different when you're the one that has to wear them...<<
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Who? What ? Where? and When?

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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2013 11:20:57 AM

"...because the shoe IS different when you have to wear it)."

It is especially difficult for Perry to wear (or for it even to fit) as he has already sold his "sole" to "run" for higher office!





(Well, that's shoe business)





[Edited by: Passer at 4/20/2013 11:23:21 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2013 11:15:35 AM

When it hits home, RNorm, when it hits home....conservatives become liberals.
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2013 10:42:00 AM

"I hear it when I put on my secret Rushbo Tin Foil Hat. It not only brought out the color of my eyes, but also brought my ODS into full bloom...."

LOL!
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2013 10:33:04 AM

"Where do you keep "hearing" that ridiculous statement? "


I hear it when I put on my secret Rushbo Tin Foil Hat. It not only brought out the color of my eyes, but also brought my ODS into full bloom....

*ROTFL*
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2013 10:27:19 AM

"i keep hearing that it is ok for b,o to lie every time he opens his mouth because richard nixon did it"

Where do you keep "hearing" that ridiculous statement?
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2013 9:50:05 AM

"Truthfully RNorm, you know that as well."

Which I also pointed out, several times, in the thread.





"This entire thread is beneath you and posting it gives readers a low opinion of your motives."

No ulterior motives here...just highlighting how people love to rail against something until it hits home, then their story changes...You know like the well known conservative who was all out against gay marriage until his son says "Dad, I'm gay". Now his position changes.

The point of this thread is for EVERYBODY, including myself, to take a look in the mirror from time to time and not be so quick to judge and/or condemn others (because the shoe IS different when you have to wear it).

That is all.
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2013 9:44:49 AM

Plas, "that is not the issue" relief for Sandy is the issue, yes without the pork. "Inaccurate and misleading" since when did dem posters corner the market on that one? You may want to try your criticism on cons once in a while. I've bumped heads with my good buddy Norm once in the past.

Tim, I believe the line item veto was killed in the Supreme Court many years ago.

Ed, you may be for spending billions to subsidize some of the wealthiest nations in the world's defense but many folks are not. I say America first, all others go to the back of the line.

pass, "didn't Perry want to get rid of the Epa"? Yes he trusts American companies to not kill, maim or destroy the environment. It will be interesting to see how many federal, state and local regulations were broken when the blast in Waco is investigated. Who needs federal govt regulations and interference when corporate America does such a great job? Not cons obviously.

Bell, the pork in the Sandy bill just proves that our elected officials of both parties owe too much to outside interests.
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2013 7:18:07 AM

Actually, anyone who voted FOR the Hurricane Sandy bill the way it was written should have been thrown out of office. That bill was laden with pork. Money destined to places not even touched by the hurricane.

Truthfully RNorm, you know that as well. This entire thread is beneath you and posting it gives readers a low opinion of your motives. There are many reasons why people who are in favor of supporting a cause will be forced to vote against it.
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2013 5:33:49 AM

"Part of the problem was that the Sandy bill had stuff in there that wasn't even related to the storm. It called for funding for things in other states that weren't affected."

Gidzmo, Specifically, WHAT "STUFF" and in what other states?
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2013 1:56:50 AM

"How a fertilizer plant can be so physically close to a nursing home and a middle school is the height of idiocy -- even for Texas."

I wager you can find similar situations in other locations. The question is, which was there first? In many cases, Texas isn't unique, towns and cities develop up to and round industry that was originally located well into the countryside.
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2013 12:26:30 AM

Didn't Perry also want to get rid of the Federal EPA? Too much Federal regulation? We can all see now how the State of Texas does in its concern for its citizens by its "regulation".

I would also like to propose a Socialistic, anti-rugged individualism Liberal concept that Texas has never heard of:

It's called "Zoning".

How a fertilizer plant can be so physically close to a nursing home and a middle school is the height of idiocy -- even for Texas.

Perry did "remember" that he wanted to do away with the Federal Dept of Education (obviously, since Education is one of his greatest enemies) AND the Federal EPA (and do you remember the third? He didn't).

He is lucky he isn't charged with manslaughter.

Too bad that Texas Tea protects him so.


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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2013 11:35:16 PM

"so what you are saying norm is because once awrong has been done it is ok to forever do the wrong thing"


No, I said: "The shoe is always different when you're the one that has to wear them..."






"i keep hearing that it is ok for b,o to lie every time he opens his mouth because richard nixon did it"

We're talking about disaster relief; not presidents.
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2013 4:24:48 PM

so what you are saying norm is because once awrong has been done it is ok to forever do the wrong thing i keep hearing that it is ok for b,o to lie every time he opens his mouth because richard nixon did it
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2013 4:17:08 PM

if a diaster hit my house my insurance better cover it that is what i pay for and if you don,t have it to bad for you
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2013 3:34:20 PM

Part of the problem was that the Sandy bill had stuff in there that wasn't even related to the storm. It called for funding for things in other states that weren't affected. I'm all for helping those in need, but the money should be going for the purpose intended.
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