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xrdc

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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2013 7:25:27 PM


Why Dr. Kermit Gosnell's Trial Should Be a Front-Page Story

"The dead babies. The exploited women. The racism. The numerous governmental failures. It is thoroughly newsworthy."

"This case is about a doctor who killed babies and endangered women. What we mean is that he regularly and illegally delivered live, viable babies in the third trimester of pregnancy - and then murdered these newborns by severing their spinal cords with scissors," it states. "The medical practice by which he carried out this business was a filthy fraud in which he overdosed his patients with dangerous drugs, spread venereal disease among them with infected instruments, perforated their wombs and bowels - and, on at least two occasions, caused their deaths."

"Charged with seven counts of first-degree murder, Gosnell is now standing trial in a Philadelphia courtroom. An NBC affiliate's coverage includes testimony as grisly as you'd expect. "An unlicensed medical school graduate delivered graphic testimony about the chaos at a Philadelphia clinic where he helped perform late-term abortions," the channel reports. "Stephen Massof described how he snipped the spinal cords of babies, calling it, 'literally a beheading. It is separating the brain from the body.' He testified that at times, when women were given medicine to speed up their deliveries, 'it would rain fetuses. Fetuses and blood all over the place.'"

"One former employee described hearing a baby screaming after it was delivered during an abortion procedure. "I can't describe it. It sounded like a little alien," she testified. Said the Philadelphia Inquirer in its coverage, "Prosecutors have cited the dozens of jars of severed baby feet as an example of Gosnell's idiosyncratic and illegal practice of providing abortions for cash to poor women pregnant longer than the 24-week cutoff for legal abortions in Pennsylvania."

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Believe it or not, that is barely scraping the surface of what is coming out in this trial.
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14 Theories for Why Kermit Gosnell's Case Didn't Get More Media Attention

And much more...

Horrible story. No coverage. Not even here.

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RNorm
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 1:44:09 AM

"Having kids out of wedlock almost certainly sends one to poverty. "


Another tightly held conservative belief that is an epic fail.

I can think of a dozen women who have had kids out of wedlock and those kids are not impoverished. Some of them you're watching on TV and in Films...
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worryfree
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 8:48:03 PM

Sounds great but when the rubber hits the road many poor children do not get adopted or end up in bad situations. The funding just isn't there. Not sexy enough.
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 8:40:38 PM

worryfree, " ... Of course the issue of who would have paid for their care must be addressed."

Ever hear of adoption?
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 8:38:37 PM

""First off people are already making poor decisions to have themselves in poverty"

Not everyone chooses to be in poverty."

Most do by the actions they choose. Having kids out of wedlock almost certainly sends one to poverty.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 6:49:30 PM

Gee, and there's a whole book in the bible that talks about the pleasure of sex...I must have been mistaken...

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worryfree
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 6:06:04 PM

Norm just what is wrong with you!!?? Sex is ONLY for procreation not pleasure! Just ask our anti gay posters...
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 5:14:01 PM

"First off people are already making poor decisions to have themselves in poverty"

Not everyone chooses to be in poverty.






"and then they go ahead and make more poor decisions to have sex...which is the act of reproduction...when they cannot afford it."

So only wealthy people can afford to have sex? Not to mention sex is not always about reproduction...sometimes its simply about pleasure...unless of course you're poor...then its only about reproduction.

Gotcha.
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worryfree
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 5:01:38 PM

This so called doctor is a horror. He should spend the rest of his life in prison. He violated every tenant of medical practice. The babies that could have survived on their own should have been cared for. Of course the issue of who would have paid for their care must be addressed.
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xrdc
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Message Posted: Apr 24, 2013 4:54:02 PM


Gosnell Judge Reinstates Charge for Baby Tossed in Shoe Box, Still Breathing

"The judge in the Kermit Gosnell murder trial admitted today he made an error when dropping one of the charges against the abortion practitioner."

"Common pleas court Judge Jeffrey Minehart admitted he “erred” when dropping the murder charge for Baby C, who was killed in an abortion-infanticide when he was a victim of an attempted abortion but was born alive and tossed in a shoe box, with Gosnell staffers confirming they saw him breathing for 20 minutes."

"Gosnell faces eight total murder counts — one for killing a woman in a botched abortion and seven for killing babies in abortion-infanticides that involved live-birth abortions and snipping their necks after birth."

"The judge received heavy criticism yesterday for dropping three of the murder charges." [...]

“If Gosnell gets off scot-free, that will send a message that murdering live babies and abortion patients is now acceptable behavior in America and that abortionists who engage in such depraved practices are above the law. This would put women and babies in grave danger – more than they already face – at abortion clinics throughout the nation,” said Sullenger.

Sick bastidge.

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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Apr 19, 2013 2:44:27 PM

Planned Parenthood?

Maybe truth in advertising laws should have it changed to Planned Infanticide.
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xrdc
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Message Posted: Apr 18, 2013 7:51:20 PM


There are so many layers to this story it's hard to know where to begin...

Let's go here:

James Taranto: Back-Alley Abortion Never Ended

"Safety is one of the most potent defenses of Roe v. Wade, the 1973 U.S. Supreme Court decision that imposed a national policy of abortion on demand. Women had abortions even before it was legal to do so, the argument goes, but restrictive laws forced them to go to back-alley quacks. In this view, the story of Kermit Gosnell, the Philadelphia abortionist on trial for the murders of one woman and seven infants, is a cautionary tale about illegal, not legal, abortion. The facts tell a different story."

"Back-alley abortion was indisputably a problem before Roe. Deep in the 281-page report that accompanied the 2011 indictments of Gosnell and his staff, the Philadelphia grand jury recounted an example from the city's history."

"It was called the Mother's Day Massacre—the brainchild of Harvey Karman, an eccentric California man without medical training who had served 2½ years in prison for performing illegal abortions in the 1950s. Karman teamed with a young Philadelphia doctor who offered to perform abortions on 15 impoverished women, each between four and six months pregnant, who were bused to the Philadelphia clinic from Chicago on Mother's Day 1972."

"What the women didn't know was that they were guinea pigs for a device Karman had invented, which he called the "super coil." He had tested it only on wartime rape victims in Bangladesh, where he had traveled under the sponsorship of the International Planned Parenthood Federation."

Read it all and the full article linked at the bottom of this one...

"Prosecutors are seeking the death penalty for Gosnell and have already obtained guilty pleas from eight of his former staffers. The grand jury's report should also be seen as an indictment of America's post-Roe abortion industry. Its indifference—at best—to legal limits made possible the deaths of untold numbers of babies, lending credence to the argument that legal abortion is a slippery slope to infanticide."

"Meanwhile, the claim that Roe v. Wade made America safe from back-alley abortion stands exposed as a cruel hoax, and a deadly one for women and children alike."

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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Apr 18, 2013 6:30:25 PM

ZennieWA, ". If they were truly responsible they would go some where like planned parenthood and get free birth control, oh wait that is bad too I forget. Well wow, I guess that means now sex is an activity only allowed the rich. Well I guess that is a way to weed out a certain segment of the population huh?"

No, the killing of babies that Planned Parenthood does is bad.

But tell us, why can't these "certain segment of the population" people be responsible? Are you claiming that there is no other place to get birth control?
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ZennieWA
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2013 4:00:00 PM

<<Blaming poverty for botched abortions is like blaming men in general for rape. First off people are already making poor decisions to have themselves in poverty and then they go ahead and make more poor decisions to have sex...which is the act of reproduction...when they cannot afford it. >>

Seriously huh? I mean who are these people? Who do they think they are having sex without a proper portfolio because everyone knows it is a poor decision to have sex if you live in poverty. If they were truly responsible they would go some where like planned parenthood and get free birth control, oh wait that is bad too I forget. Well wow, I guess that means now sex is an activity only allowed the rich. Well I guess that is a way to weed out a certain segment of the population huh?
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2013 1:32:18 PM

Abortion: Journalism's Most Sacred Cow

"Backed into a corner on the most basic issue -- whether their own biases had compromised their objectivity -- the lords of the mainstream media responded in four ways:

(1) They admitted fault, and openly addressed the underlying problem. This was the course taken by Huffington Post Live host Marc Lamont Hill. “For what it’s worth, I do think that those of us on the left have made a decision not to cover this trial because we worry that it’ll compromise abortion rights,” he said. “Whether you agree with abortion or not, I do think there’s a direct connection between the media’s failure to cover this and our own political commitments on the left. I think it’s a bad idea, I think it’s dangerous, but I think that’s the way it is.”At last an honest admission that a journalist's or editor's personal opinions DO influence how they cover, or don't cover, stories.

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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2013 1:29:57 PM

Blaming poverty for botched abortions is like blaming men in general for rape. First off people are already making poor decisions to have themselves in poverty and then they go ahead and make more poor decisions to have sex...which is the act of reproduction...when they cannot afford it.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2013 12:55:46 PM

So because he does murder for less than others it is somehow acceptable?

Is that what your trying to imply SGM?

As far as I know murder is still wrong regardless of if its an old person or a child.
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2013 12:39:44 PM

This is such a horrible, ignorant story, I can understand why no one wants to talk about or cover it. However, I have seen plenty on this myself.
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xrdc
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2013 11:23:13 AM


It already IS a story for the "cons" as you put it.

The mainstream media however, has all but ignored it.
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2013 10:38:10 AM

First a quick reality check. This would be a story for cons if the fetus had 7 months before birth.
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xrdc
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2013 10:26:16 AM


So what do you think, sgm?

Were these victims of Gosnell or of the economy?

I personally think that the majority of these women were not fully aware of the risks they were taking in dealing with Gosnell.

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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2013 10:03:45 AM

hmm
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2013 7:52:34 PM

My position is that abortion is the murder of a person - regardless of when it is done. Once the sperm unites with the egg it is a person.

Yet Gosnell did what a representative of Planned Parenthood said was fine - after to them its between the doc and the aborted woman.
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>>>In a rather awkward exchange during a hearing about a bill in the state to protect newborn infants from medical neglect, however, Alisa LaPolt Snow of the Florida Alliance of Planned Parenthood Affiliates said her organization believes the fate of a child surviving a botched abortion should remain in the hands of a woman and her doctor.

"… Uuugh, it is just really hard for me to even ask you this question because I'm almost in disbelief," said Rep. Jim Boyd in a clip from the hearing.

"If a baby is born on a table as a result of a botched abortion, what would Planned Parenthood want to have happen to that child that is struggling for life?"

"Well, we believe that any decision that's made should be left up to the woman, her family, and the physician," replied Snow.<<< Its still murder of a person. But some on the far left think its fine to kill kids even later.....
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>>>Yes, you read that right -- fourth trimester abortions. Outrage over the recent publication of this "ethics" report bubbled up when it was first published several weeks ago, but a piece entitled "Declaring War on Newborns" in the upcoming edition of The Weekly Standard ought to touch off a new round of calumny and horror. Truly appalling:
Last month...a pair of medical ethicists took to their profession’s bible, the Journal of Medical Ethics, and published an essay with a misleadingly inconclusive title: “After-birth Abortion: Why should the baby live?” It was a misleading title because the authors believe the answer to the question is: “Beats me.” Right at the top, the ethicists summarized the point of their article. “What we call ‘after-birth abortion’ (killing a newborn) should be permissible in all the cases where abortion is, including cases where the newborn is not disabled.”

The argument made by the authors?—?Alberto Giubilini and Francesca Minerva, both of them affliliated with prestigious universities in Australia and ethicists of pristine reputation?—?runs as follows. Let’s suppose a woman gets pregnant. She decides to go ahead and have the baby on the assumption that her personal circumstances, and her views on such things as baby-raising, will remain the same through the day she gives birth and beyond. Then she gives birth. Perhaps the baby is disabled or suffers a disease. Perhaps her boyfriend or (if she’s old-fashioned) her husband abandons her, leaving her in financial peril. Or perhaps she’s decided that she’s just not the mothering kind, for, as the authors write, “having a child can itself be an unbearable burden for the psychological health of the woman or for her already existing children, regardless of the condition of the fetus.”

The authors point out that each of these conditions?—?the baby is sick or suffering, the baby will be a financial hardship, the baby will be personally troublesome??—??is now “largely accepted” as a good reason for a mother to abort her baby before he’s born. So why not after? “When circumstances occur after birth such that they would have justified abortion, what we call after-birth abortion should be permissible.” (Their italics.) Western societies approve abortion because they have reached a consensus that a fetus is not a person; they should acknowledge that by the same definition a newborn isn’t a person either. Neither fetus nor baby has developed a sufficient sense of his own life to know what it would be like to be deprived of it. The kid will never know the difference, in other words. A newborn baby is just a fetus who’s hung around a bit too long.<<<

If anyone seriously thinks this behavior is acceptable they have huge problems!

Yes the majority of the media are not saying a word on this case - because there are many more like this monster out there and the knowledge would damage the image of the abortion is just fine crowd. I call them murderers I don't care what others may call them.
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