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flyboyUT

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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2013 9:54:48 PM

Gee we are all equal and the only criteria that should be used should be merit based - novel concept for sure.
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>>>The U.S. Supreme Court agreed Monday to hear arguments in another major case involving race and the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

The voters of Michigan passed an amendment to their Constitution forbidding the state or any of its agencies or institutions—which would include public colleges such as the University of Michigan—from considering a person’s race when making decisions such as college admissions.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit narrowly held that the Michigan amendment violates the U.S. Constitution. The Supreme Court will now review that decision, in a case that will garner significant public attention.<<<

Discrimination --- regardless of the reason for it should be against the law. Affirmative action for one person is affirmative discrimination for the person who was better qualified but discriminated against.

Maybe its time to do away with gender based or race based choosing of people for college entrance or jobs or anything else. The only thing that should count is merit --- PERIOD.


[Edited by: flyboyUT at 3/26/2013 9:57:05 PM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2013 1:08:34 PM

Another case of decisions based on non merit items that put others at risk.
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when will we ever get to the point when we just choose the best qualified folks to fill the jobs.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Apr 5, 2013 12:29:15 PM

What appears on the face of it to mbe more race based politics. - --- Why is this allowed?
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>>>But City Councilman Steven Hoyt disagreed.

“I have seen nobody, nobody, that looks like me making any decision about Barber Sports Motor place. None. Zero,” Hoyt said.

Birmingham mayor William Bell eventually withdrew his financial support this week for the racing event.

Councilman Hoyt, who has represented Birmingham’s Eighth District on the City Council since his first election in 2005, also co-authored the Jefferson County Economic Development and Industrial Authority’s Minority Participation Policy, “which guarantees minority inclusion in all contract opportunities that are initiated by the board.”<<<
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2013 8:05:17 PM

Mudtoe - In my opinion Al and Jesses are racist hucksters and are not significantly different from David Duke or Bull Connor.

Now if that rubs some folks wrong I am not sorry as that's what I see.

Anyone who pits one racial group against another as they do (all of them) is wrong regardless of the reason.

One thing that MLK said that really resonates - is his dream that one day people will be judged by the content of their character and nothing else.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2013 7:01:45 PM

flyboy: "Discrimination for any reason against anyone is reprehensible and should not be tolerated by anyone."


Discrimination pays, or at least the charge of discrimination pays, just ask Al Sharpton or Jessie Jackson. There is too much money, and too many votes, at stake here for the people profiting from it to bury the hatchet on what people who have been dead for decades or centuries may or may not have done.

I guess we should call the concept original genetic sin, meaning that you inherit the sins of your ancestors, and while you can never fully make amends (because that would let your offspring off the hook), you can make installment payments on the interest on those sins by allowing your money to be taken and redistributed to the descendents of those whom your ancestors may have harmed.


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[Edited by: mudtoe at 4/4/2013 7:05:08 PM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2013 6:30:43 PM

I kind of wish RNorm was here to let us know what his views are?
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2013 6:30:02 PM

Mud then paint me with the label cause that's how I feel.

Discrimination for any reason against anyone is reprehensible and should not be tolerated by anyone.

I don't care if someone else's grandparent was discriminated against by somebody else's grandparent a thousand miles away and 80 years ago. That does not make it just to discriminate against kids today and call it by fancy names
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2013 6:05:48 PM

flyboy: "We should all be judged solely on achievements and merit."


You are speaking heresy of the first order here as far as the left and the democrat party is concerned. I mean, if they didn't have victims, and couldn't promise to extort money from someone else, whom they've named the victimizers, to redistribute to these "victims", who would vote for them?


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[Edited by: mudtoe at 4/4/2013 6:09:03 PM EST]
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2013 5:57:33 PM

gocat: "America had a couple hundred years of discrimination under it's belt before "Affirmative action" came along. The big question is how close is our nation to being fair and color blind. If you think "affirmative action" is unfair to whites try imagining what life was like for blacks in America before the Civil Rights era. All that said there should be an end to affirmative action sooner rather than later. America has come a long way."

Are you saying that it is fair to discriminate against whites because of past transgressions against other races? I just do not buy that....if so then you should also be of the eye-for-an-eye criminal code!
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2013 4:59:17 PM

JD - TTim - I agree.

We should all be judged solely on achievements and merit. Not everyone has the same physical or mental abilities but we should all be evaluated by the same standards. We should be judged fairly and honestly. There should be no double standards or special exemptions or different standards.

AS example - I used to be a Firefighter for the US Forest Service. We had to pass a type of test to determine overall physical fitness to do the work. But the test was less arduous for females. Now were the mountains any less steep for them? Was the Chainsaw of lessor weight for them? Did the amount of work per shift somehow get less because of gender?

My feeling is that everyone should be treated the same - PERIOD! I realize that some just cannot do the same physical or mental tasks. Yes we should do things that will allow people to participate in normal life as much as possible.

But when it comes time to choose people for awards, promotions, jobs, schools etc - we should all be judged the same.
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2013 4:44:44 PM

Merit should be the only criteria, or a standard of performance to be met regardless on sex, race, etc.

That should apply in public schools as well. Breaking out every possible group for special treatment and standardized assessments is just ridiculous.
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Apr 2, 2013 8:57:28 AM

fly, this is getting away from the original topic, huh. I like the last 2 sentances in your orig topic post. It's time to stop this type of discrimination.
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Apr 2, 2013 3:55:18 AM

"Again, that's giving the "HOMOSEXUAL" couple a preference, and that's not fair either"
Actually, not giving homosexuals equality under ALL laws pertaining to married couples makes heterosexuals a privileged class.
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NickHammer
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Message Posted: Apr 1, 2013 11:27:20 PM

>>But if a hetero couple were registered domestic partners, then why wouldn't they be entitled to the same benefit as a homo couple?<<

You must have missed the part about gays not being allowed to get married.

>>Again, that's giving the homo couple a preference, and that's not fair either.<<

There's no preference being given to gays, only an attempt to give gays the same benefits as the heteros who are allowed to marry.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Mar 31, 2013 10:16:18 AM

But if a hetero couple were registered domestic partners, then why wouldn't they be entitled to the same benefit as a homo couple? Again, that's giving the homo couple a preference, and that's not fair either. "Registered domestic partnerships" aren't just for homosexuals anymore...
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NickHammer
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Message Posted: Mar 31, 2013 1:53:14 AM

>>Oh, and on a side note --- this company 15 years ago granted medical insurance benefits to gay couples, but not heterosexual domestic partners.

Can any liberal explain why that is fair?<<

It's so simple, really. 15 years ago gays could not legally get married, so this company allowed them to receive the same benefit that heterosexuals already had. All "heterosexual domestic partners" had to do to get these "medical insurance benefits" was to get married, something that gays couldn't do.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Mar 31, 2013 12:07:06 AM

gocatgo said: "All that said there should be an end to affirmative action sooner rather than later. America has come a long way."

--As a Southerner, I'm glad you acknowledge that. In the America I see, it's the same way. IN every job I've had, it didn't matter what your skin color or national origin was. If you worked hard, you got promoted and recognized. It seems to me that if I want to get promoted, I need to do things to make that happen, like get even more education/training, or take on new responsibilities.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2013 10:16:45 PM

ejeepin - does that mean serial marriages to multiple folks or all at the same time - what is the real difference by the way?
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e_jeepin
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2013 10:09:57 PM

Equality is long gone in the USA

I also went through what rumbleseat did in politically correct "corporate America"

After you get passed over 3-4 times to people with less experience, you turn numb, no longer motivated to get out of bed in the morning. After bending the HR rep's ear for over a year, he finally blurted out "look, we are required to me meet our EEO numbers, my hands are tied". He asked me not to repeat that -- yeah, I already know how it works.

After that, I lost all faith in equal opportunity -- it should be called allocated opportunity. I resigned soon after that as I was becoming depressed. The happiest day of my life was leaving a career I loved, but I was tired of feeling sick to my stomach that all my hard work would never pay off. I spent 9 years in an entry level job watching minorities fast track. Some were talented and deserved it -- some were shockingly incompetent and just a live body to meet a quota. Oh and like Rumbleseat's story, this company filed bankruptcy but came out of it.

I'm not sure how to explain to my son that skin color matters -- and it's government mandated.

Oh, and on a side note --- this company 15 years ago granted medical insurance benefits to gay couples, but not heterosexual domestic partners.

Can any liberal explain why that is fair? It's not, but with Liberalism, everything is rigged and other people's benefit comes at your expense.

You want Nationwide Gay Marriage? Then why not legal polygamy! Oh we can't stand for that you say? Why not? you say that's different? No, it's not different what-so-ever.
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 8:08:37 AM

I couldn't get your tiny url page to open, it showed not available.

link from Breitbart

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link from conservativebyte

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link from cnn
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rumbleseat
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 6:37:26 AM

I was passed over for promotion several times in a company that is now out of business. They were so hell-bent on eliminating the "old boys' club" that almost all promotions were given to women. We ended up with a senior management group with one man, who was marginalized and ignored by the rest, all of whom were women, with less experience than him, most with less knowledge and training than me, some of whom were trained as new hires by me.
There was no equality left in the company, and that is part of the reason it went bankrupt, the focus changed from what had worked for decades to what the management group wanted to try.
Even the pay-for-performance we were promised in lieu of raises was cancelled. They made sure they got their bonus cheques though.!
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 1:24:47 PM

Gocat there is no doubt that discrimination in the past was horrible. Blacks were not the only ones who faced massive discrimination.

My point is that today is today and we are working hard at removing discrimination in all its forms from our society. Therefore it should be also wrong to discriminate against anyone for any reason.

The idea that someone's great grandparents were discriminated against makes it somehow right to discriminate against a 20 something today whose great grandparents were recent immigrants and were also discriminated against makes no sense to me.
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 1:04:46 PM

America had a couple hundred years of discrimination under it's belt before "Affirmative action" came along. The big question is how close is our nation to being fair and color blind. If you think "affirmative action" is unfair to whites try imagining what life was like for blacks in America before the Civil Rights era. All that said there should be an end to affirmative action sooner rather than later. America has come a long way.
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