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flyboyUT

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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2013 7:47:38 PM

Make Kelly again breaks the law and nothing is done - why
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>>>Gabby Gifford's husband, Mark Kelly, got more unwanted attention over the weekend when his daughter's American Bull Dog attacked and killed a baby sea lion at Laguna Beach.<<<

When is this stalwart, upstanding citizen going to start obeying the laws?

[Edited by: flyboyUT at 3/26/2013 7:48:39 PM EST]
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Cliffisher
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 9:55:55 AM

Sorry.
After saw that he had posted it on another thread, I thought he liked weak onion soup.
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2013 2:03:06 PM

When you can't dispute any facts of hypocrisy caught red-handed, make an inane comment about soup I always say!
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2013 1:07:09 PM

Cliffisher: "More onion soup?"

No thanks. Just had lunch.
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Cliffisher
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2013 7:54:59 AM

More onion soup?
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2013 1:10:36 AM

"Show me some other occasions of his supposed law breaking."

Kelly bought the gun with intent to give it to someone else.

"If Mr. Kelly did not intend to keep the AR-15, but to give it to another, he is committing a felony by being a “straw purchaser” under current law, and he must have stated on the ATF Form 4473 that he was buying it for himself, so he committed perjury on the BATF form, also a felony."

See

ATF Form 4473 –Question 11a.

ATF Form 4473 — Declaration.
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2013 12:48:02 AM

Jay, you're totally missing the point.

Kelly's daughter was walking with an assault weapon on the beach that murdered a helpless seal (a violation of the Marine Mammal Protection Act). It could have just as easily killed a small child.

Mark Kelly is lobbying Congress to ban certain rifles from law-abiding citizens being able to purchase them. He purchased a rifle on March 6 to make a political point about how easy it is for someone to be able to obtain a deadly firearm (like there's something wrong with that).

How easy was it? Kelly had to wait 20 days to take possession, because the shop had purchased it from a customer. There is already a Tucson ordinance requiring the store to hold the gun for 20 days to give the city enough time to make sure the weapon wasn't used in a crime.

If I shoot at someone, illegally, with my legally-owned firearm, there are already laws on the books, and there are consequences. If a dog attacks someone, there are consequences for the owner.

Should Pit Bulls be banned? We can't live in a hermetically sealed environment. But, IF someone breaks the law, they should face the consequences of that crime. Kelly and his daughter walked away. (As far as I know, neither he nor his daughter have been charged.)

Yet, he wants to have Congress ban MY rights under the Constitution. Following his and liberal Democrat logic, Pit Bulls, hammers, automobiles (the list is long) should all be banned.

Yet in EACH instance, there is *already* a law that addresses the dangerous, illegal or wanton use of each and every one of those items. Again, people who own Pit Bulls that attack others, should be punished under the law for not keeping their dog under control.

I'm sorry a crazy shot his wife, but Mr. Kelly should make sure to keep his family and deadly weapons under control before he tries to control what guns law-abiding American citizens can legally own.

IMHO

[Edited by: ministorage at 3/27/2013 12:58:03 AM EST]
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2013 12:00:37 AM

Pure speculation.

Mark Kelly has been accused of "again" breaking the law. Show me some other occasions of his supposed law breaking.
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2013 11:41:51 PM

That's scary, Tim. You and I are on the same page.
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2013 11:39:41 PM

"It was his daughters dog."

Are you saying that his daughter, who was on vacation with Mr. Kelly "owns" the pit bull? When I was a kid, I had a dog also, but my parents were the legal owners.

"Maybe she did break the law by not restraining her dog. "

Bingo. Whether Kelly owns it or not, Kelly's 18-year-old daughter was walking an assault weapon, with her 15-year-old sister. The 65-pound Pit Bull saw the sea lion and went out of control. That is breaking the law (and the legal owner, whoever that is, broke the law).

"Again, how did Kelly break the law?"

See above. If his 18-year old daughter is not a dependent--living under Kelley's roof, and if Kelley doesn't have the papers for the dog, doesn't provide shelter, doesn't buy the food and pay the bills of the dog, doesn't have any legal responsibility for that beast whatsoever, then his 18 year-daughter broke the law--and is clearly not responsible or stable enough to own, handle and control a deadly assault weapon.

The owner of that dog (and I'd bet a dollar to a donut the dog is in Kelley's name) should also be banned from owning hammers. More murders are committed with hammers than rifles every year. Unstable people should not own assault weapons.

We should all be hermetically sealed from all danger. ;-P

[Edited by: ministorage at 3/26/2013 11:46:55 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2013 11:36:01 PM

Was it the daughter's dog or was she just walking her dad's dog? I guess it depends on who it is registered to on its dog tag/rabies vaccination record. I'm betting it is his, but at the least he certainly felt responsible enough to come get the dog... after it killed the sea lion.
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2013 11:13:39 PM



Where has Kelly "again breaks the law and nothing is done", broken the law? What law(s) did he break prior to this? It was his daughters dog. Maybe she did break the law by not restraining her dog. Again, how did Kelly break the law?
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2013 10:56:19 PM

"The dog broke away from Kelly's daughter. Tell me again how Mark Kelly broke the law."

As owner, he is responsible for his Assault Dog at all times. He let someone who was incapable of handling his Assault Dog take charge of it, and then the Assault Dog brutally murdered a protected species.

He is working hard to take away yours and my right to defend our children from his Assault Dog. He and CNN's Brit ex-pat apparently feel that since they are incapable of owning guns safely, that everyone else is just as unstable as they are.

It's probably a very good thing the gun store rescinded his rifle purchase. Unstable people, and serial law breakers, like Mark Kelley, shouldn't be allowed to own deadly weapons.

[Edited by: ministorage at 3/26/2013 11:00:56 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2013 8:55:04 PM

If you can't control your dog, it is a danger to others. My sister-in-law's mother was brutally attacked and maimed by one of these "nice" dogs. There should be hundreds of hours of required community service and awareness training for the daughter/dog owner.

She was D@MN lucky it wasn't a child! One wonders where she got the dog/who gave her the dog and just what they were thinking? That it's ok to have a self-guided potentially lethal assault animal but not a gun requiring a human's judgement to operate?!

One also wonders if Gabby had been nearly killed by a dog, what would Mark have been trying to buy to make a point? Someone on he beach who was armed might have been able to save the protected sea lion at the expense of the assault animal.



[Edited by: teacher_tim at 3/26/2013 8:57:58 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2013 8:34:17 PM

I am under the impression that a dog on a leash must be secured (controlled) at all times, and that it is the owner's RESPONSIBILITY to be able to secure the dog AT ALL TIMES, to CONTROL the dog at all times. This dog BROKE away from the leash, meaning the dog was NOT under control! The News reported that it (simply) was not unlawful for the dog to be on a beach, therefore, no charges were made against these people/owners of this dog. Where the law or authorities FAIL to recognize is that the 'dog walker' did NOT have control of the dog. Now WHAT IF this American Bull Dog broke away and attacked a child or baby???? Would they still get away with this? Baby, Child, Seal, another human, these 'owners' - the dog walker - did NOT display proper control nor RESPONSIBILiTY of their animal! If this was an average, normal, unknown individual, the dog would have been put down and the owner fined and/or sued. But because HE, the almighty astronaut, the husband of Gabby, is a 'someone,' all is forgiven as an 'accident?' Come on people! How many times is this Red Carpet layed out for a so-called celebrity. The dog broke away from the leash and this dog walker needed to exercise all control and precautions. She failed to do that! GUILTY but not charged? What a joke! What next, excused from a DUI or should we overlook other infractions? It is all about WHO you are!


[Edited by: lvskyguy at 3/26/2013 8:38:31 PM EST]
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2013 7:51:56 PM

Was not done on purpose. The dog broke away from Kelly's daughter. Tell me again how Mark Kelly broke the law.
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