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Hemond

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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2013 6:03:22 PM

Old news now but it Looks like a Florida college professor, as part of a class exercise , asked students to stomp on the word Jesus. One student who refused and complained to college officials was suspended. Link here

The latest in this affair is the college has reluctantly apologized. They declined at first but after the firestorm this story generated nationwide , they had no choice.


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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2013 11:47:21 PM

You shouldn't be able to force your views on anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2013 10:06:21 PM

QUOTE :::: And have you ever even been to a classical music performance even ONCE in your life? If you did, you'd see plenty of very talented women.:::

When I go see shows in NYC, I often get tickets at the last moment. What this means is you wind up with junk tickets no one wants. In NYC, junk seats are front row. I'm sure you know why, so I won't bother to explain. Just like the movies, no one wants to sit in the front row at Broadway shows.

When you sit up front you are often jammed into the orchestra pit, you sometimes wind up chit chatting with the musicians as they roll in/get settled/tune up. When I saw Victor/Victoria with Julie Andrews, the conductor was flirting with those of us up front. In these professional orchestras, yes you do see more women. I agree a noticeable number. Yet still, the majority are men. Maybe 1/3 to 1/4 of the instrumentalists are women. I've seen this with my own eyes and made note of it.

Same is true of the local opera troupe. They have a full orchestra of course and I'd estimate the same proportions. Maybe 1/3 to 1/4 women.

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Hemond
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2013 9:41:58 PM

QUOTE ::: And have you ever even been to a classical music performance even ONCE in your life? If you did, you'd see plenty of very talented women. :::


Plenty, I love to go to performances of the big warhorses like Beethoven's 9th, or Handel's Mesiah. I also volunteer to help out with lighting and sound for a local opera troupe. They usually put on the big Italian crowd pleasers like La Traviata. I usually wind up on stage in a costume as an extra too. Most fun I've ever had, better than taking any vacation. Plus I get to see all these great Romantic operas while up on stage. Oh yeah, I've hit the Boston Pops 4th of July Esplanade show too many times to count. The 1812 Overture synchronized to real canon and aerial bombs detonating over your head.

I've been going to Broadway shows for years. Usually rent an apartment in Manhattan for a week and go to the shows every night of the week. I've also seen shows in Lincoln Center and Carnegie Hall. After the theatre I go to 2 local cabarets where the up and coming Broadway singers perform. This is where singers showcase their voices for theatre scouts. Caberet is where they get their start. You simply will not hear such voices anywhere else.

I also go to see the road versions of Broadway shows when they come into Boston or Prov. Many times the road shows have been better than the original. Rent, Miss Saigon, and Phantom were much better on the road than on Broadway.




[Edited by: Hemond at 4/7/2013 9:45:47 PM EST]
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2013 9:18:34 PM

QUOTE :::: What this tells me is, outside of knowing a smidgen about rock, you know absolutely NOTHING about music.::::


I took numerous college level courses in music history and music appreciation. The first was a requirement but I liked the material so much I took more and more advanced courses. I got full exposure to all forms of music starting with Gregorian Chant to Baroque, Classical, Romantics, Impressionists, Neoclassical, and 20 Century.

My favorites are the Romantics and the Baroque, but I like it all. So you see I've got a huge background in music.

Curious isn't it that in all these eras from the Renaissance to today, the giants were all male. Again except for the singers.
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2013 9:07:23 PM

QUOTE:::-- What this tells me is, outside of knowing a smidgen about rock, you know absolutely NOTHING about music. And have you ever even been to a classical music performance even ONCE in your life?:::

I beg to differ. I'm self taught in guitar, bagpipe and recently started noodling around with piano. Been playing guitar since 7th grade. Have played in garage bands, pickup bands, and friendly jams with buds, but only played before a paying audience once. (an emergency fill in literally 2 minutes before going on stage.) Of all this exposure I've only encountered one female musician, a drummer.

Not quite interested enough to play in a marching piper band but I often hang at their practice. Again I've only ever encountered one female piper. She was the one who inspired me to take up the pipes. There are none in the marching band I hang with - anywhere from 25 to 30 show up for practice.



[Edited by: Hemond at 4/7/2013 9:08:01 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2013 12:11:29 PM

Jay, he does but it is always a private message.
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2013 12:09:25 PM

"I pointed out that the overwhelming majority of people playing musical instruments are male. Pick any band off the top of your head, pro, amateur, or garage, and count them."

Perhaps preconceived notions has more to do with that than ability.

What happens when the gender of the musician is unknown?

A study.
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Message Posted: Apr 7, 2013 11:51:44 AM

Hemond once again wrongly said: "You made the counter argument that singers prove me wrong, that singers support the argument of women having better fine motor dexterity. A singer keeps her hands in her pockets while singing. Singing requires no fine motor dexterity."

--Who is Nora Jones? Yes, she sings, too. Why don't you look her up? And while you're at it, listen to her excellent music! Ditto Diana Krall. What this tells me is, outside of knowing a smidgen about rock, you know absolutely NOTHING about music. And have you ever even been to a classical music performance even ONCE in your life? If you did, you'd see plenty of very talented women. But as to rock bands, why don't YOU answer why more women don't go into that career? And you absolutely ARE convoluting issues. The fact that, on the whole, women have better fine motor dexterity than men isn't in question, except perhaps in that you're claiming that this known FACT is sexist. Here, now. If I also tell you that, on the whole, adult men are about 20% stronger than adult women, is that also sexist? It seems to me to deny the differences between men and women is to deny people's humanity. Though there are some women firefighters, there's not too many of them. I've only run across one - and I think she was "transgender". I have a pal who lives in Beverly Hills, and he said that there is ONE woman firefighter in all of their town. Sorry, the strength requirement knocks a lot of women (and men too, for that matter) out of the running right away.

Oh, and again, did you look up fine motor dexterity and women even on the internet? The Wikipedia article isn't well documented, but there are plenty of other studies that confirm what I'm saying and prove you wrong..yet again.

And I would tell you most guys don't own a Fender Stratocaster. I would say not even 10% of teenage males know how to play ANY instrument - let alone something as complicated as being able to play guitar chords.
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Message Posted: Apr 6, 2013 8:39:26 AM

>Go into any teenage guys' bedroom.
>Odds are good there will be a Fender Stratocaster in the corner.

Forum: Entertainment , Category: Music , Topic: Lead Guitarist
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Message Posted: Apr 6, 2013 7:36:51 AM

Not surprised by what takes place in the classroom.
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2013 9:34:48 AM

QUOTE :::Hemond - here, now. You are convoluting 3 issues in order to somehow in your mind "prove" that I'm somehow sexist.:::

No I am not. I am only concerned with 1 issue. An unfounded sexist statement was made - that 'it is a known fact that women have better fine motor dexterity'.

I pointed out that the overwhelming majority of people playing musical instruments are male. Pick any band off the top of your head, pro, amateur, or garage, and count them.

You made the counter argument that singers prove me wrong, that singers support the argument of women having better fine motor dexterity. A singer keeps her hands in her pockets while singing. Singing requires no fine motor dexterity.

Go into any teenage guys' bedroom. Odds are good there will be a Fender Stratocaster in the corner.
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:36:40 PM

jayrad: <<<"Off topic. However, I don't see you Fly getting annoyed when someone on your side of the aisle says the same thing.">>>

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Yeah, he pegged me too a few months back for using the same expression, and I would be from the same side of the aisle... The word is not offensive to me, and in my circles is a polite way of saying something else, but in any case, I agreed to avoid that word, as there are many others that make the same point.

Back on topic, it is clearly apparent to even the most jaded observer that this "professor" was purposely trying to intimidate his students by asking them to deface a symbol that some in any grouping of people hold sacred. College should be a place where one receives an education that each student has paid good money for, not a place for an instructor to push any sort of agenda.
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:29:00 PM

Oh but I do Jay I am and equal opportunity admonisher.
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:26:53 PM

"Until then if someone acts like an undisciplined child I will bring it to their attention. Its a shame their parents didn't do their job."

Off topic. However, I don't see you Fly getting annoyed when someone on your side of the aisle says the samething.
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 11:16:46 PM

But SGM your statement is so self evident that I fail to see why you had to say it. We should all treat folks based only on merit or ability.

As far as the other thing - when you can convince the kiddies to grow up and stop acting like kiddies I will no longer need to tell them to clean up their act.

Until then if someone acts like an undisciplined child I will bring it to their attention. Its a shame their parents didn't do their job.
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 10:36:55 PM

Do you see what you did there, flyboy? I made a nice cogent argument, and you come in and make a nanny remark, and no one sees my stuff. Why? Why? Why?

I think we all know, way too well, how you feel about that word. So, can you consider not remarking on it every time a liberal (as defined on this board) uses it?
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 4:41:58 PM

I see btc lost another argument and resorted to potty mouth to attempt to strengthen his failure.....
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 3:52:49 PM

"The liberal controlled education establishment's policy is to indoctrinate our children in leftist dogma. The principle that women are equivalent to men in any area."

If you're going to make claims about "leftist dogma" you should at least learn what it is.

The idea isn't that men and women are "the same" or that they are "equivalent" in any area. The idea is that people--men and women--should be assessed on an individual basis, rather than lumped in with one group or another, whether that is by gender or race or sexuality, etc. So even if women on average are better than men at some particular thing, the decision to ask a particular person to do that thing should be based on their individual talents, rather than assuming that because she is a woman, she will be better at it, or because he is a man, he will be worse at it.

It's pretty simple, really.
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 3:36:15 PM

"WND. That is all that needs to be understood. They make up crap."

So do the NYTimes and many other "news" sources. That's why you need to check more than just YOUR favorite sites for info.

Want Fair and Balanced?

Try FOX and MSNBC, then assume that the "facts" given on both are 50% correct and everything else is political propaganda opinions.
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 10:21:32 AM

Hemond - here, now. You are convoluting 3 issues in order to somehow in your mind "prove" that I'm somehow sexist. And I get that there is a certain breed of feminist out there who want to think that both genders are "the same", and therefore always equivalent in every situation. It's OK for you to delude yourself, but the truth is not what you want to believe.

You brought up the fact that there weren't many female musicians. There are plenty of them, and plenty of good ones. So you're wrong there. Plenty of females ARE musicians, and display great fine motor dexterity, and make great music. Again, you haven't acknowledged my examples that have made good success. Do you even know who Nora Jones is?

Then you bring up, so why aren't the female musicians as successful as Elton John with his "sausage fingers"? OK, Elton John isn't a particularly great musician, but he's a fantasically successful songwriter. He made it big in the market at the right time. But he could never even place in the Tchaikovsky competition. Success in the pop music business is largely a matter of timing. Why aren't there more female guitar players, etc? Why don't you ask women why they don't choose to go into rock bands as careers? Maybe the lifestyle doesn't appeal to most women? These are two separate issues that you're trying to mix together, unsuccessfully, I might add.

Now, getting back to the premise I had. Why don't you look up on the internet "women fine motor dexterity" and see for yourself? Women are better at fine motor tasks, on the whole, than men. That's a simple truth. A better question for you to ask might have been "why aren't there more women who are watchmakers or gunsmiths or machinists or welders"? Those careers require excellent fine motor skills. OR why didn't you mention women as artists, painters or sculptors? Of course, there are plenty of women who are successful artists as well. I guess that would torpedo your own argument...again.

Look it up for yourself. Or ask a psychologist, if you happen to know one and tell me what he or she says?
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 10:06:14 AM

QUOTE :::Y'all are getting off track here.:::

Well, you are the one who got us off track with your initial tangential statement. A statement totally unrelated to this thread. Here is your statement.

QUOTE :No, flyboyUT, it's not bigotry. Women do have areas they are better in and there are times when advantage should be taken of superior ability.

QUOTE :::In the future only a woman should be used to teach this course as they have more empathy to deal with the results of the exercise.:::

Try telling some feminists at a feminist convention that men have areas where they have superior ability. Try making that statement in a college psychology class. Try to get a high school social studies teacher to make that statement. Any educator making such a statement would be immediately dismissed.

But no liberal would make such a statement because they don't believe men have any superior abilities. The liberal controlled education establishment's policy is to indoctrinate our children in leftist dogma. The principle that women are equivalent to men in any area.


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Hemond
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 9:42:53 AM

QUOTE::::The topic here is about the idiot instructor who didn't calm down a student when the class was doing an exercise in the effect of symbols on people and on the idiots in the college administrations who didn't understand what happened.:::

No it is not. It is about the hatred and intolerance of Christians by the leftist liberals in higher education. It is about the "enemies within" as many authors put it. That is the dangerous ideology that high school and college educators use to indoctrinate your (yes your) children.

Please don't prettify things by poo-poo-ing what this college instructor did. He deliberately used a Christian symbol, not an islamic symbol nor a black symbol like MLK. There is a clear agenda here on modern college/high school campuses of hatred and bigotry toward Christians.

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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 9:16:19 AM

Y'all are getting off track here.

Hemond said, "One of the most bigoted, intolerant, and sexist statements I've ever heard uttered on this board." in response to my, "Women do have areas they are better in and there are times when advantage should be taken of superior ability."

Which I had explained in the preceding paragraph by saying, "The part of the brain that deals with empathy is large in women and almost non-existent in men. Another part of the brain in larger in men. These differences in the brain are the cause of behavioral differences that sometimes complement the two sexes and other times cause conflict when the behavior is misunderstood."

BabeTruth with whom I have been discussing the differences between men and women on another thread and are in disagreement on some points will back me up in what I have said. He has studied brains and behavior as part of his education.

We do agree that in general, men and women are different not only in their sexual organs but also in their brains which influence what areas they are good in and other areas they are not. Education, training, and life's experiences can change these to some extent but can they best natural ability?

Just because normally men and women are naturally better in some areas, does not mean one sex is inferior or doesn't have equal rights.

The topic here is about the idiot instructor who didn't calm down a student when the class was doing an exercise in the effect of symbols on people and on the idiots in the college administrations who didn't understand what happened.

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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 7:21:18 AM

Well, just to throw some more fuel on the fire here, view this Midori clip. There's few examples of such technical prowess combined with the ability to emote through music, IMHO.
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 1:44:17 AM

AC-302 QUOTE ::: Nobody here is saying women are worse, nor better.:::

You just did. You said

QUOTE ::: it is a KNOWN AND ACCEPTED FACT that women have better fine motor dexterity than men.

You made a blanket sexist statement with no proof. Where is your proof that it is a known fact? You might try to explain why there are, for example, 1000s of amateur musicians, all over Youtube, putting up covers of "Sweet Child of Mine" , "Hotel California" and "Stairway to Heaven". 99.9% male, ranging from excellent to, well, less so. But most are equal to, if not better than the original.
Here's one

Perhaps scan down the list in my YT link and count how many women musicians you see.

[Edited by: Hemond at 4/3/2013 1:46:28 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 1:16:30 AM

QUOTE :::Hemond - you prove you know squat about music. Oh, and as to really rich performers, didn't Madonna just break an estimated $1 BILLION in personal wealth (possibly a new world record)?:::


Hmmm, I don't recall saying anything about rich performers, how much they make, or their bank accounts. Why on earth have you brought earnings into the discussion?

Astronomical earnings don't correlate with superior musicianship, singing ability or artistry. Often high earnings only mean the hype machine is working overtime. Madonna is an excellent example. Pure hype and showmanship. She can't sing, can't dance, but surprisingly she's not a bad actress. Listen to the carefully selected songs in her repetoire. Her range is limited and her voice is kinda nasal and squeaky.

If your criteria for artistry is bank account you must love Justin Bieber. Whats he worth? $300 million? Yup, I'd say that must make him a good singer. Hmmm, does he play any instruments? Since he's a guy he likely doesn't have 'fine motor dexterity.' He does have a cute butt though which he loves to display. Link (skinny chicken chest though, he oughta keep his shirt on next time he's in London). Link

Does that cute butt make him a good singer like Norah Jones?




[Edited by: Hemond at 4/3/2013 1:19:20 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 12:43:53 AM

AC-302 I will once again requote the statement you made:

QUOTE ::: it is a KNOWN AND ACCEPTED FACT that women have better fine motor dexterity than men.

To which I replied "How do you explain how music is completely dominated by men? What requires more manual dexterity than making a guitar, sax, or piano come alive?

You choose to discuss everything else under the sun except your original point.


You then go on to list singers, including some 2nd rate singers like Madonna, as proof that women have better fine motor dexterity. I don't think you understand what fine motor dexterity is. It means being able to play an instrument like guitar, sax, piano well. It does not mean being able to sing. You need to list a bunch of female guitar players, sax players, piano players to refute me. You have listed a few obscure female singers who also happen to be jazz pianists. Thats fine, thats a start. But hardly proof of your premise.

You also listed a female band, Heart, thats a good pick, thats one, thats a start, can you list 100? I can, and they will all be male. Can you list 100 female bands? Can you list 100 female guitar players? Jazz pianists? Sax players?

I am prepared to list hundreds if not thousands of bands and musicians from the 50s, 60s, and 70s through today. All male.

I am not disputing that there are some female instrumentalists , I am maintaining that the overwhelming majority of contemporary instrumentalists are male. Instead of offering counter evidence to bolster your pov, you choose the standard liberal technique of browbeating ,insulting, and berating. Just because you can holler louder does not mean you are right.



[Edited by: Hemond at 4/3/2013 12:50:33 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 2, 2013 11:29:00 PM

Hemond - you prove you know squat about music. Oh, and as to really rich performers, didn't Madonna just break an estimated $1 BILLION in personal wealth (possibly a new world record)? I noticed you stayed away from Diana Krall, Norah Jones, and Elaine Elias, to name three very talented female musicians. You also chose not to acknowledge a large number of females in classical music, but that's OK if you are not knowledgeable. The Wilson sisters are good guitar players. Here now, what about Joni Mitchell? You belittle Carole King? OK, by belittilng King's contributions, you are torpedoing your own argument. Does it give you some kind of strength to claim that women in music are unequal to men? Fine, then, but it certainly is not the case. Hmmm.. I wonder if there are many lady rappers, not that I listen to that drivel?

But to the bigger picture, to be so blinded by feminist propaganda as to be unable to acknowledge and even embrace the differences between women and men is just astounding! Nobody here is saying women are worse, nor better. But women are certainly DIFFERENT and, on the whole, have different strengths than men.

Say, are you also going to decry the fact that more women then men in this day and age are getting college degrees?
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Message Posted: Apr 2, 2013 1:16:39 PM

AC-302, since you may be having difficulty coming up with a list of female bands who demonstrate 'fine motor dexterity' in their musicianship, I will help you out.

This is a fun topic as they do exist. That is, beyond the area of novelty bands, or bands based around female singers with male backup. Hart was perilously close to being a novelty act. Almost... but I'll concede they were fun, and listenable despite being barely adequate musicians. Unfortunately most female bands are novelty acts. Not taken seriously.

But here's an example of a fun and technically more than adequate all girl band. This is the famous steady-cam tracking shot from Kill Bill. Listen to these musicians. They are indeed displaying 'fine motor dexterity'. Plus the tune is fun and bouncy. Neither Carol King nor Rondstadt can hold a candle to these women (the 5,6,7,8s) for fine motor dexterity.

For the longest time I thought this was fake and dubbed in, but it turns out the band is for real. Tarrantino discovered them in Tokyo and immediately showcased them in Kill Bill.

As an aside, this is one of the all time great movie scenes ever put to celluloid. They should teach this scene in film school.



[Edited by: Hemond at 4/2/2013 1:18:26 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 2, 2013 12:15:26 PM

AC-302, you opened your argument with the statement. QUOTE ::: it is a KNOWN AND ACCEPTED FACT that women have better fine motor dexterity than men.

My rebuttal was: "How do you explain how music is completely dominated by men? What requires more manual dexterity than making a guitar, sax, or piano come alive?

AC-302, you then respond by listing a bunch of singers. In what way does it require 'fine motor dexterity' to sing?

You are using the typical liberal argument method of supporting your premise, by shifting the argument to a totally unrelated red herring argument.

Linda Rondstat, Carol King, Peggy Lee, Mary Chapin, Nora Jones, etc are singers. Yes Carol King and Linda Rondstat can accompany themselves on folk guitar. Where is the fine motor dexterity in folk guitar playing? I can teach someone who never even held a guitar to play any Carol King tune in 5 minutes.

What instrument did Peggy Lee play btw? That she used fine motor dexterity?

You then go on to list the band Hart as examples of female guitarists. This is the only part of your argument which supports your point of view. I too liked their sound but lets face it. Its again the same 'Carol King' argument. Hart is simplistic guitar work, the standard 3 chord 4/4 rhythmic line found in nearly all disposable pop music. I can teach a beginner any Hart tune in 5 minutes. Their music requires little fine motor dexterity. For that you have to look to male rock bands.

You need to try again. My premise stands. Why is serious music, requiring fine motor dexterity, completely dominated by men. I will stand corrected if you can list a whole string of rock, jazz, fusion, or country, or southern rock female bands, more than I can do with male bands.

I'll continue later.....

[Edited by: Hemond at 4/2/2013 12:19:49 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 2, 2013 10:10:11 AM

Hemond foolishly said: "How do you explain how music is completely dominated by men? What requires more manual dexterity than making a guitar, sax, or piano come alive? Where are the great women performers in these instruments? let alone composers/songwriters. Ever see a close up of Elton Johns fingers? They look like fat little sausages. How do sausage links produce nuance in music? Where are the women performers with output at that level?"

--Huh? Completely dominated? Since when? Now, I don't see a whole lot of female classical conductors, that's true. But let's think for a minute...female musicians..

Jacquline du Pre (the late, famous cellist and late wife of Barenboim). The rock band Hart (the Wilson SISTERS), Linda Rondstadt, Mary Chapen-Carpeter, Carol King ("Tapestry" is one of the best selling albums of all time, and she's one of the most prolific songwriters in the last 50 years). Go to any classical concert and you'll find women playing in the orchestra all kinds of instruments. OH, and what about Nora Jones? What about Elaine Elias? What about Diana Krall? What about Diane Schurr? Going back, what about Peggy Lee?

Your point is not well taken. There's all kinds of creative women out there making really top rate music, if you'd bother to look. Do you not really know music all that well? Look it up for yourself. But if you're just looking to pick a fight about "Oh, women aren't getting opportunities", then you'll gladly find some small niche to fight about.

What would have been a better argument would be women in technical fields such as Engineering. There are a dearth of women in that field. However, I think for whatever reason, women are largely not attracted to those careers. They're certainly not forbidden to it. In fact, it's widely encouraged for women to go into engineering and the sciences. There's just not that many women that CHOOSE to go into it.

OH, and does anyone else here find it interesting that Hemond is making this topic about sexism, rather than the original topic of religion bashing?
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Message Posted: Apr 1, 2013 1:19:09 PM

Thanks for the link sgm. Sheds more light on the subject.
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::::A sad time for this teacher!!:::


Not at all. If you notice, there is no mention of any sanctions being applied to Mr. Poole. If the situation was reversed and he were a conservative, he would have been par-boiled, fricasseed, and roasted alive by now by the liberal establishment. Tarred, featherd, and run out of town.

The city of Davie Fla. would be dealing with traffic deadlock caused by 100s of protestors being bused in to blockade the campus of FAU.

Mr. Poole, being an important person in the democratic establishment thus gets protection from his friends in the education and news media. His transgression gets poo-pooed, played down, reduced to insignificance since he is a member of the liberal 'good ole boys' club.

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::::Read the piece for a less biased description than WND's.
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How could a less biased reportage be found than what is in the NY Times, the Washington Post, Huffington Post, or MSNBC? Why do you condemn those news sources as biased? They had the identical news copy as WND.

You quote "Inside Higher Education" as a legitimate news source? Huh? Did I read that correctly? A mouthpiece for the educational establishment? If there ever was a more slanted organization with a vested interest in protecting its own , its your linked source. The term for such a source is 'good ole boys club'.

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Message Posted: Apr 1, 2013 11:50:17 AM

A sad time for this teacher!!
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Message Posted: Apr 1, 2013 11:32:49 AM

There's a follow up piece in Inside Higher Education, about the fact that the student was actually suspended. Supposedly for threatening the teacher, but of course the student's lawyer says that didn't happen.

Read the piece for a less biased description than WND's.
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QUOTE :::WND. That is all that needs to be understood. They make up crap.:::


Identical story, almost word for word was published on all the left leaning news sources. If WND made this story up, so did all the leftist sources since a mirror image was found on MSNBC, Huffington Post, NY Times. Same story published there.


[Edited by: Hemond at 4/1/2013 10:42:20 AM EST]
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WND. That is all that needs to be understood. They make up crap.
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QUOTE :::Why is that sexist to point out there are differences between men and women? ::;


Try to convince the typical liberal, feminist, or educator that women are not as good as men. That is the argument you are making.

What would happen if Obama issued an executive order "I will not allow women in the military since men are better warriors?"

What would happen if Obama issued an executive order to overturn Title IX because women simply aren't as good high school football players as men?
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QUOTE :::it is a KNOWN AND ACCEPTED FACT that women have better fine motor dexterity than men::::

How do you explain how music is completely dominated by men? What requires more manual dexterity than making a guitar, sax, or piano come alive? Where are the great women performers in these instruments? let alone composers/songwriters. Ever see a close up of Elton Johns fingers? They look like fat little sausages. How do sausage links produce nuance in music? Where are the women performers with output at that level?


[Edited by: Hemond at 4/1/2013 10:32:23 AM EST]
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Hemond - it is a KNOWN AND ACCEPTED FACT that women have better fine motor dexterity than men. This is one reason they hire women to perform precision assembly jobs. I do this at my own company. It would not surprise me that women, in general, have higher empathy ratings, and may very well have a more highly developed part of the brain that way then men and this being a reason as to why. Why is that sexist to point out there are differences between men and women? Generally speaking, there aren't very many women fire fighters? Why do you think that might be? Generally speaking, with few exceptions, women don't have the physical strength to pass the physical challenges. (you know, like slinging a 250 lb person down a stairway and out a door in a so-called "fireman's carry"?) Of course, a lot of men can't either.
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Message Posted: Mar 31, 2013 10:34:56 PM

Get your "Stomp on Obama" poster here!
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Message Posted: Mar 31, 2013 8:28:48 PM

:::: Women do have areas they are better in and there are times when advantage should be taken of superior ability.:::


One of the most bigoted, intolerant, and sexist statements I've ever heard uttered on this board.
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sgm4law - "I'm guessing you think that's funny."

No, it wasn't meant to be funny. The part of the brain that deals with empathy is large in women and almost non-existent in men. Another part of the brain in larger in men. These differences in the brain are the cause of behavioral differences that sometimes complement the two sexes and other times cause conflict when the behavior is misunderstood.

No, flyboyUT, it's not bigotry. Women do have areas they are better in and there are times when advantage should be taken of superior ability.
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2013 11:56:41 PM

Hey, speaking of which, here's a song for you..

They ain't making 'em like they used to..
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2013 10:48:38 PM

I don't - I think its rather bigoted.
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"The courts will take care of this next. In the future only a woman should be used to teach this course as they have more empathy to deal with the results of the exercise."

I'm guessing you think that's funny.
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sgm4law - "This is an assignment that could have been carried out by using a less inflammatory word, but really, the book expected that the students would not be able to do the 'stomping'."

You are correct. The idea of the exercise was to get at least some students offended. And then to discuss it. But instructor Deandre Poole apparently did not understand the lesson. He acted inappropriately toward student Ryan Rotela who was offended. That is why Rotela complained to school officials. The response of suspending Rotela demonstrates that the school administration needs a lesson in this also as their actions were also inappropriate.

The courts will take care of this next. In the future only a woman should be used to teach this course as they have more empathy to deal with the results of the exercise.
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2013 4:27:25 PM

:::: That is too bad, that you cannot take in the diversity of opinions of people in this country that exist on both sides of the aisle. If you try to stop generalizing, you might gain some wisdom.:::


Yet this is exactly what the left does to conservatives. Look at the demonization that was done to Sarah Palin, the Tea Party, George Bush, Dick Cheny, Michelle Bachman, Scott Walker, and on and on...

Total contempt and complete disregard of the opinions of prominent conservatives. Diversity of opinions? Pleasant rhetoric and an empty platitude offered by the left.
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2013 3:39:11 PM

Teachers who stomped American flag, Jesus are officially no longer teaching


You don’t tug on Superman’s cape. You don’t spit into the wind. You don’t pull the mask off that old Lone Ranger. And, as two educators have recently learned, it’s also generally good advice to avoid stomping on Jesus and the American flag in public schools.

The Florida Atlantic University instructor who asked students to step on the word “Jesus” has been placed on administrative leave on the same day that the high school teacher in South Carolina who stomped on an American flag in front of his students way back in December finally resigned.



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"I don't, but I don't recall seeing any comment from you concerning the left's singular lack of interest in criticizing Islam . . . ."

Exactly. I have been critical on the board about that very subject, whenever it arises. My objections to their woman-hating ways have been made repeatedly. I often find (weaker) parallels in some branches of Christianity in this country where women are still treated as subservient/property/less than a man. That's why I figured you had me on ignore.

When it comes to the collision between religious freedom and women's freedom, I side with women.

But then, I would expect anyone who refers--frequently--to the "teachings" of the left to assume that all people on the left of him are mindless morons with a unified mindset. That is too bad, that you cannot take in the diversity of opinions of people in this country that exist on both sides of the aisle. If you try to stop generalizing, you might gain some wisdom.
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