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RNorm

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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2013 5:33:43 PM

"Audio published Tuesday by The Nation purports to show a New York police union representative confessing that he worked out a set of quotas for tickets and arrests that officers would have to meet on a monthly basis, despite the union’s supposed commitment to advocating for their members.

The audio was recorded in 2009 by officer Adil Polanco, taken from a meeting at the NYPD’s Bronx precinct office. It features a delegate of the Patrolman’s Benevolent Association explaining that he worked out a 20-1 ratio of tickets to arrests that each officer must carry out each month, or face recriminations.

“I spoke to the CO [commanding officer] for about an hour-and-a-half,” a union representative is heard saying. “20-and-1. 20-and-1 is what the union is backing up… They spoke to the trustees, and that’s what they want. They want 20-and-1.”

The same audio was released to the media in 2010, but portions featuring the union delegate went unaired, according to The Nation. Polanco alleges that the quota system resulted in numerous false arrests and inaccurate or fabricated citations, but the brass just called their expectations “productivity goals.”

Those goals, combined with Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s “stop and frisk” policy, led to an enforcement system with a vast racial imbalance and skyrocketing small drug arrests, according to the New York Civil Liberties Union."



The audio is a centerpiece of the class action lawsuit Floyd, et al. v. City of New York, et al., currently underway in New York.
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2013 8:50:01 AM

Maryland just had to pass ANOTHER law because several jurisdictions were paying speed camera companies a commission for violations, even on stopped cars.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2013 3:54:37 PM

mp2: "In any city that tries to increase the yellow light time in order to reduce traffic accidents, the companies managing the red light cams threaten to pull out, thereby removing a revenue stream to the city/county. "


If a condition of the camera contract is the shortening of the yellow light time, that's pretty much prima facie evidence that the cameras are about money and not about safety. I would think someone bringing a lawsuit against a municipality for these cameras would have a winning case just on that evidence alone.

I never read that in the Elmwood Place case that they altered the yellow light time, but they didn't have all the required signage in place notifying people that the camera was there (I think they had a sign at one entrance to the town, but not right at the spot where the camera was, because it was possible to go by the camera and not go by the sign).

Additionally the process to contest the ticket was a farce because first you had to pay $25 up front just to contest the charge, and then the clerk would read from a computer printout made by the company and ask you if you your name was such and such, and if you owned or leased a car with such and such a license plate number. If you answered yes, your appeal was immediately denied at which point you were out the $25 plus the fine. Of course, the answer couldn't be anything but yes, unless the BMV had the wrong information on file about what car you owned, because they had to look that information up in order to send you the ticket in the first place, which is why it was a farce.

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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2013 3:21:55 PM

michael, they just had a new item about the unmanned cars here in the Montgomery area. They itemized how much went to each entity. But you are correct...part of the take goes to the company that developed and runs these speed traps.
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michaelphoenix2
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2013 2:48:49 PM

interesting facts about speed cameras not only in that city but in many cities around the country.

Most of them are not actually run by the city or county. They are actually run and managed by private companies that the city/county contracts through. The company gets a cut of the ticket money and the city/county takes a cut.

Now before these cameras even go in the private companies that run them have a few requirements that the cities have to meet. The most irritating of them is the fact that the company requires a very short yellow light.

This has two main effects.

1. It catches more people sliding through yellow lights at the last minute because it changes from yellow to red in a very short period of time.

2. It INCREASES the amount of traffic accidents at that intersection. Because after drivers begin to learn where there are red light cameras, even if it changes to yellow people will slam on their brakes in order to avoid the ticket.

In any city that tries to increase the yellow light time in order to reduce traffic accidents, the companies managing the red light cams threaten to pull out, thereby removing a revenue stream to the city/county. I dont think any person republican or democrat can argue that this type of situation is a good thing.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2013 1:25:37 PM

gocat: "The first to feel the pain will be the businesses."


The business owners in the little town I posted about below were the ones who hired the attorney who brought the case against the speed cameras, because word had gotten around and people were avoiding the town and it's businesses like the plague.


mudtoe



[Edited by: mudtoe at 3/25/2013 1:27:11 PM EST]
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2013 11:58:44 AM

Quotas suck. Small towns in the South that have used a quota system can and will dry up. It does not take long for the word to get out to the public. The first to feel the pain will be the businesses.
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2013 1:14:08 AM

I wonder how the NYPD officers treat "rats?"
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Mar 24, 2013 10:19:04 PM

He was probably just checking for large sugary drinks!
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2013 7:28:45 PM

"Lost in this is the idea that the union is also implicit in the setting of the quotas."

There's that and there's also:

"Those goals, combined with Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s “stop and frisk” policy, led to an enforcement system with a vast racial imbalance and skyrocketing small drug arrests"


Man, I'm sure glad Bloomberg is in NY and not LA! Stop and Frisk, no big gulps...sounds like he has a control freak problem...
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2013 6:51:32 PM

Why take the trouble to pull people over when you can automate the process and rake in big bucks, at least until you get busted.

This little town which is surrounded by Cincinnati and isn't more than about 10 blocks in any direction raked in over a million dollars in fines in less than a year from a speed camera until a county judge put a stop to it. It was so bad that if you wanted to contest the charge you had to pay a $25 fee up front just to say your piece, at which point a clerk read from a piece of paper that said you were guilty and that was the end of the hearing.


Judge issues injunction against Elmwood Place speed cameras


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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2013 5:26:01 PM

Lost in this is the idea that the union is also implicit in the setting of the quotas.
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2013 4:33:19 PM

My cousin was a state policeman for many years, he always said, they didn't have quotas, but they had expectations, of how many tickets they needed to write every day. I always told him it sure sounded like a quota,
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2013 12:47:10 PM

RNorm posted: ""Audio published Tuesday by The Nation purports to show a New York police union representative confessing that he worked out a set of quotas for tickets and arrests that officers would have to meet on a monthly basis, despite the union’s supposed commitment to advocating for their members."

--RNorm - consider this in a different light. The PD Union was most likely advocating for their membership. After all, 20 citations and 1 arrest per officer as the "minimum criteria" was probably an EASILY doable goal. And while I've heard numerous police agencies say: "Oh no.. we don't have ticket quotas, that would be irresponsible to our citizens.." , it's actually bogus. EVERY police agency has a.. shall we call it a "minimum number of citations" that each officer should be giving out in order to be thought of as performing to their level?
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2013 9:11:45 AM

"That might be because they're just lazy."


*ROTFL*!!!!
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2013 8:40:03 AM

"I guess this would explain why the cops are always sitting on the main drag and not patrolling the neighborhoods."

That might be because they're just lazy.
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2013 8:31:00 PM

I guess this would explain why the cops are always sitting on the main drag and not patrolling the neighborhoods.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2013 6:11:39 PM

When you get pulled over by a cop they will tell you they do not have a quota. I know quite a few cops and there is no "quota" per se but if you do not write enough (whatever that means) tickets they come down on you. The cops I know do not even know what "enough" tickets is half the time.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2013 6:08:47 PM

"I guess some of the officers did get their free toaster after all!"


*ROTFL*

Toaster? C'mon man, meet the quota and get a 32" TV!

LOL!
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2013 5:42:09 PM

I guess some of the officers did get their free toaster after all!
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