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teacher_tim

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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 1:15:54 PM


"It's a metaphor for an economy that keeps biting people despite overall good numbers."

-- Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., then chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, talking to the New York Times in April 2006 about how Democrats could exploit voter anger over high gasoline prices, then surpassing an average of $2.50 per gallon.

Gas prices haven’t risen this quickly since the spring of 2005 – jumping 45 cents in the past 31 days.

The reasons now are as complicated as they were eight years ago. International unrest, limited refinery capacity, investors betting on economic recovery and OPEC antics are all still part of the formula for explaining why people are suddenly digging deeper to fill up.

The political consequences, too, may be very similar.

In 2005, voters were unhappy that the invasion of Iraq, called a war for oil by critics, had actually helped produce higher, not lower gas prices. Supply disruptions, Arab upset over the war and other consequences had helped drive up the price at the pump for American consumers.
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Today, gas prices are racing toward the $4 mark months before the usual warm-weather spike in prices and Democrats should be worried about history repeating itself.

The Obama Democrats are saying the same things as Republicans did eight years ago, but it doesn’t do much for strapped middle-income families to explain that higher gas prices are evidence of economic recovery.

For a family of average income, paying $10 more per tank of gas compared to one month ago hurts a lot. Add in the fact that their income dropped by $40 a week under the president’s year-end tax deal and you start to see some real suffering.

There’s the larger concern about the dangers to the fragile recovery. The loss of so much disposable will do a lot to make families feel poorer, which makes them spend less, borrow less and do less to stimulate growth."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/20/high-gas-prices-endanger-democrats/?intcmp=HPBucket#ixzz2LSrKMJLf
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2013 7:41:15 AM

worryfree said: "when we had high gas prices during GW Bush time none of you geniuses blamed him."

Why should we have? Better yet...why did YOU blame him?

There was nothing that Bush did to cause the 6-month spike in gas prices that occurred in 2008.

And though there are many factors that have caused our current high gas prices, Obozo isn't DIRECTLY responsible for them. He has caused devaluation of the dollar. His anti-fossil fuel sentiment is the same thing that has caused our refining capacity to diminish, but that idiocy has been going on for decades now.

With Airfresh's post about Massachusetts, there is evidence that we still have idiots running the show. What better way to spur inflation than to put a tax on it? The Dumbocrats are salivating at the prospect like it's a perpetual money-making machine!

[Edited by: jeskibuff at 2/26/2013 7:42:05 AM EST]
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MarkJames
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2013 7:38:54 AM

Much of our local population is getting hammered as they use heating oil, or kerosene to produce heat and hot water.

Many can't afford a minimum 100 gallon delivery, so they burn even more fuel running back and forth to the stations to buy kerosene several gallons at a time at higher pump prices.

After many of our customers pay us for heating oil, kerosene or propane, they have little or no money left to stimulate the economy.

The majority of our customers in some regions receive HEAP, and Emergency HEAP, so taxpayers are paying for these rising costs whether they know it or not.

Many end up applying for numerous other welfare benefits due to inflation as well.
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Bell30012
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2013 5:38:41 AM

We didn't have to blame Bush, you and your party were doing a great job of that. When gas prices were high under Bush, Nancy Pelosi came right out and said that it was the direct fault of George W Bush and Dick Cheney. Now that gas prices have been high every since the Anointed One took office, it's suddenly the greedy oil companies who are bad, not the man in the White House.

The funny thing is that Democrats want to sock it to the oil companies with windfall profit taxes. Personally, I say "Bring it". I drive hybrids.
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wbacon
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Message Posted: Feb 26, 2013 5:32:18 AM

I can only hope
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worryfree
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:21:05 PM

Of course when we had high gas prices during GW Bush time none of you geniuses blamed him.
High gas prices are bad news for Republicans and independents and Democrats and everyone else except big oil and those who own their stock.
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 10:15:01 PM

At this rate, we'll all be making diesel at home.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 5:01:04 PM

cliff: "Supply and demand and those pesky speculators. "


Yup, those evil speculators are paying off the EPA to make sure it doesn't ever grant a permit for a new refinery which would increase supply.


mudtoe
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Cliffisher
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 4:51:21 PM

Aifresh, no.

Supply and demand and those pesky speculators.
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 4:49:31 PM

obama, is getting what he said he wanted, he probably smiles ear to ear every time the price of gas goes up, or anytime the price of any energy source goes up.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 6:29:46 PM

It makes me smile when I bring up the gasbuddy national gas price map and almost always see California and New York as having the most expensive gas the country. It's color coded proof of the consequences of voting democrats into office.


mudtoe

[Edited by: mudtoe at 2/22/2013 6:30:19 PM EST]
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BlackGumTree
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 10:53:05 AM

As I said before the value of the dollar has dropped to 45% of what it was worth 5.3 years ago based on my research and calculations.

You have not seen inflation to back that up. But it's coming and the economy has to keep going South to reach where the devalued dollar is!

[Edited by: BlackGumTree at 2/22/2013 10:55:36 AM EST]
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 10:08:30 AM

High gas prices are the democrats' dream.
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 9:49:21 AM

streetrider,
Perhaps it should have read:
"High Gas Prices Endanger Democrats [Politically, Since They are in Office Now]"

But it seemed a bit long ;-)
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 8:07:48 AM

We will end up shipping our cheap crude overseas TO the Middle East and paying premium prices for gasoline refined there. Why the madness? Well, if we can get gas prices high enough, that is to European levels or beyond, we can "save the planet from global warming" and make "green" energy seem like a viable alternative cost-wise. Of course we all know "green" energy refers to the outrageous COST to produce it and not any actual benefit to anything else.
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hep0950
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 1:30:24 AM

Why they keep harping on the mid east is beyond me. Our problem is not, not enough oil, but the refineries. We are producing and exporting more oil than ever. The excuse now is maintenance on our refineries and the start of changing the gas formulas.
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Feb 22, 2013 12:40:26 AM

More significant than that is high gas prices threaten our country, causes more job loss and wehave yet more folks that contribute less.

Good going future traders........
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airfresh
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 7:11:38 PM

<<< High Gas Prices Endanger Democrats>>>

Not here in Mass. As part of a plan to raise taxes $1.9 Billion this year and every future year into perpetuity the Gov of Mass is proposing to tie gas taxes to inflation. So as the price of gas continues to go up naturally and then causes prices of food and everything else to go up... our gas prices will go even higher because of the inflation kicker.

Before you make any judgements that he is insane I can assure you he isn't. But I can't make the same observation of the Massachusetts electorate.

Cliff... were you one of those blaming Bush?


[Edited by: airfresh at 2/21/2013 7:12:38 PM EST]
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Cliffisher
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 6:55:49 PM

Where are all the whiners that were here whining about everyone picking on Bush for the high gas prices when Bush was in office.
They said it was the process of supply and demand......can anyone say HYPOCRITE.
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wbacon
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 6:47:24 PM

where's the polling evidence?
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 5:16:59 PM

sooner, or later, hopefully sooner, the democrats cooking the books to make the economy look better, then it really is, will blow up in their face
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owt
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 4:39:19 PM

Where are all the whiners that were here whining about high gas prices when Bush was in office......can anyone say HYPOCRITE.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 11:14:03 AM

A lot of refining capacity has gone offline in the past year, and since the EPA makes it basically impossible to build a new refinery, there is a supply bottleneck developing due to lack of capacity. That's why the price of gas is at a near record high even though the price of oil isn't anywhere near a record high. The real winners are the remaining refiners who can now charge higher prices because the EPA has limited their competition. If you own stock in Valero (the country's largest refiner) you have seen the value of your investment go up about 30% just since the beginning of the year, thanks to the EPA.


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e_jeepin
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Message Posted: Feb 21, 2013 10:51:26 AM

"those who voted for him will soon find out what they voted for."

They had to vote for him (again) to find out what's inside

Liberals mandated refineries be mothballed a decade ago. This was a Congressional condition of approval during the oil industry merger era. Once mothballed, new ones were banned, and keeping one open is a nightmare of govt red tape.

Refiners are now finding that producing boutique blends for the U.S. market is not profitable and prefers to just send a standard blend to Europe.

U.S. consumers are paying dearly for these 33+ "flavor" boutique gasoline nonsense. Why does almost every State think they need a special blend?

We have a handful of similar climates coast to coast. If the EPA had any brains for the common good, mandate 4-6 blends that makes sense and States can choose the one that suits their climate.

I don't know why I just wasted my time on this, if anything, we will see more boutique gasoline's as the 15% ethanol is now making things worse.
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 9:34:09 PM

forward - - - over the cliff - - - yikes

those who voted for him will soon find out what they voted for.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 9:29:12 PM

Obama's so-called "green agenda" is going to cost us all "big time" at the pump. And I also "HOPE" it's going to cost Obama and the Dems big at the ballot box.
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 8:58:01 PM

but but but - the dow is over 14,000 and the economy has recovered . . . right?
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