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mexicomaria

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Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 11:47:47 PM

At long last...a man that does not care to be politically correct, he cares to be frank. Dr Ben Carson speaks at Prayer Brkft
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Passer
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Message Posted: Mar 21, 2015 2:02:01 AM

"BlkynB, Reagan proves my point. He ran for governor of California and served 2 terms before running for President."

If not for the Bush Pardons Reagan may have served more "terms"...

"Mr. Walsh hinted that Mr. Bush's pardon of Mr. Weinberger and the President's own role in the affair could be related. For the first time, he charged that Mr. Weinberger's notes about the secret decision to sell arms to Iran, a central piece of evidence in the case against the former Pentagon chief, included 'evidence of a conspiracy among the highest ranking Reagan Administration officials to lie to Congress and the American public.'"

http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/1224.html

"What a refreshing change it would be to have someone with morals in the White House!" Like the Good old days of Reagan?

GOP "memory" is Contra-indicated! But it can be "pardoned".
OOPS




[Edited by: Passer at 3/21/2015 2:04:56 AM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2015 8:36:37 AM

"(albeit with reservations about his lack of political experience)"

One reservation that we share...
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2015 8:08:44 AM

What a refreshing change it would be to have someone with morals in the White House!
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gas_too_high
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2015 6:40:07 AM

BlkynB, Reagan proves my point. He ran for governor of California and served 2 terms before running for President.

GTH
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BlkynB
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Message Posted: Mar 17, 2015 3:19:26 AM

GTH. About your concern for lack of political experience for Carson.

That same thing was used against Ronald Reagan when he ran for governor of California, the 8th largest economy in THE WORLD. Yet he did a great job managing our state, and despite his many enemies won a second term in a massive landslide.

Then of course he want on to serve two terms as the best president in my lifetime.

An intelligent person, with good values, who is committed to following the Constitution is the best guarantee of a good president.

Sometimes that "political experience" just ends up corrupting what could have been a good candidate.

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gas_too_high
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2015 9:31:33 PM

GTH: "One of the strongest endorsement for Ben Carson so far, is that those 2 anti-family advocates here on GB, passer and weaselspit, oppose him."

passer: "I agree. True to Tea Party form you can only be FOR someone in the negative."

You obviously have me confused with a Tea Party supporter. While I have sympathy for many of their aims, I'm more of a social conservative from the Reagan era.

The major difference is that the Tea Party is primarily interested in fiscal responsibility and limited government. While I'm concerned about those as well, I'm also very concerned about the protection of innocent human life and the right of all children to be raised by their mother and father.

I believe Dr Carson is as well, which is why I support him (albeit with reservations about his lack of political experience) and clearly why you oppose him.

That also seems why you want to seize upon something he said to derail his candidacy.

GTH

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Service66
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2015 3:05:44 PM


>>>Unfortunately it has merit. Or have you not been paying attention regarding the past few actual and threatened government shutdowns?

A temporary or threatened shutdown in the midst of budget debates is vastly different than the anarchy nonsense I responded to. To even suggest there's no difference between identifying as a tea partier or an anarchist is silly on its face.

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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2015 1:06:55 PM

"I agree. True to Tea Party form you can only be FOR someone in the negative. It is NOT his positive attributes but rather who is against him are his greatest assets.

If one is not a Tea Party member, can you see something VERY wrong about this???"

Bingo.

"So yes, like GTH said, Carson's greatest strength is [name calling like anti-family anti-Christian, anti-good etc. deserve to go to hell like all evil people who dare disagree with us the righteous and God's Chosen etc] against Him!

Absolutely pathetic. And if you agree you will get what you deserve, third rate individuals who make a name for themselves in what they are against, just like their Tea Party ie Anarchist ideals."

And Boom!

[Edited by: Weaslespit at 3/16/2015 1:07:20 PM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2015 1:05:01 PM

"Well that's the most simpleminded nonsense I've read on these boards in quite some time."

Unfortunately it has merit. Or have you not been paying attention regarding the past few actual and threatened government shutdowns?
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2015 8:48:55 AM

Surgeon General. The nation's chief public health and health policy official.
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Service66
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>>>Hint: the Tea Party are really misnamed Anarchists, their greatest "strength" is what they try to destroy ie Close down the government...

Well that's the most simpleminded nonsense I've read on these boards in quite some time.

As far as Carson is concerned, he'll make noise and then fade away.

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Passer
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2015 11:30:13 PM

PS (to last post of mine)

Those Tea Party (ie Anarchist) candidates DON'T LIGHT CANDLES!!!!

they take JOY in CURSING THE DARKNESS yet ironically that's where they only have their bizarro "strength" and its source, THE DARKNESS.

HMMMMMMMMM
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Passer
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2015 11:18:01 PM

"One of the strongest endorsement for Ben Carson so far, is that those 2 anti-family advocates here on GB, passer and weaselspit, oppose him."

I agree. True to Tea Party form you can only be FOR someone in the negative. It is NOT his positive attributes but rather who is against him are his greatest assets.

If one is not a Tea Party member, can you see something VERY wrong about this???

Hint: the Tea Party are really misnamed Anarchists, their greatest "strength" is what they try to destroy ie Close down the government, defund DHS etc. etc.

So yes, like GTH said, Carson's greatest strength is [name calling like anti-family anti-Christian, anti-good etc. deserve to go to hell like all evil people who dare disagree with us the righteous and God's Chosen etc] against Him!

Absolutely pathetic. And if you agree you will get what you deserve, third rate individuals who make a name for themselves in what they are against, just like their Tea Party ie Anarchist ideals.


[Edited by: Passer at 3/15/2015 11:23:30 PM EST]
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gas_too_high
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2015 8:19:26 PM

One of the strongest endorsement for Ben Carson so far, is that those 2 anti-family advocates here on GB, passer and weaselspit, oppose him.

GTH
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Passer
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2015 1:18:20 PM

"If I felt that Dr. Carson would infringe upon the rights of a gay person BECAUSE the person happened to be gay..."

mweyant, I agree. Actually, he has a good heart. But that is not enough to be president. To put it Biblically, his discernment is WAY off and too inferior to be worthy of a vote for president.

Anyone who could even be comfortable with Reparative Therapy and give it countenance does not POLITICALLY belong in the 21st Century.
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2015 11:14:25 AM

"So Passer and the rest of the 'less than right leaners' just what is your problem with Carson?"

Lol, did you and mweyant not scroll down?
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2015 5:18:15 AM

Thanks for taking the time to explain how you feel, Passer. Seeing that you feel as strongly as you do, I can kind of understand the reason that the idea of Dr. Carson running the country is abhorrent to you. I read all of your words.

Dr. Carson has said the following things:
“Voting for someone who agrees with you 90 percent of the time is far superior to voting for someone who disagrees with you 100 percent of the time. This is exactly what will happen if people refuse to exercise their civic duties and boycott elections because they feel betrayed. Personally, I am not supportive of abortion at all, but I can support people who feel differently, if, in the gigantic scheme of things, they can help put an end to the murder of innocent babies. This is especially true of those who are personally inclined to save and protect life.”

“If we are to put an end to division, people from all political persuasions will have to stop fighting one another and seek true unity, not just a consensus that benefits one party.”

“Disagreement is part of being a person who has choices. One of those choices is to respect others and engage in intelligent conversation about differences of opinion without becoming enemies, eventually allowing us to move forward to compromise.”

“If Americans simply choose to vote for the person who has a D or an R by their name, we will get what we deserve, which is what we have now.”

Passer, I tend to vote Republican and be conservative-leaning, but I have voted Democrat(just voted for a couple of Democrats in a local election). I believe it is important to listen to everyone. Dr. Carson caught my eye because I keep seeing “compromise” in his voice.

If I felt that Dr. Carson would infringe upon the rights of a gay person BECAUSE the person happened to be gay, I would not feel that he would be capable of leading our nation anywhere. From all that I have read and heard about him, I do not feel that this would be the case.

Our country has a huge “sandbox fight”(stealing another GasBuddy’s words that he used in a thread topic(lol)) going on because elected leaders, Republicans and Democrats alike, don’t want to compromise! At this point in our nation’s history, we need someone who will compromise and who will listen to everyone.
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BlkynB
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Message Posted: Mar 15, 2015 3:15:44 AM

Run Ben, RUN. Best American choice so far, however there are some other good choices. Maybe Carson/Walker. That would be very refreshing.

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Passer
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Message Posted: Mar 14, 2015 11:56:09 AM

"Personally, I was just looking for something concrete to discuss.

Not harboring any vitriol here (lol)"

mweyant, OK,

Carson was asked by Chris Cuomo whether being gay is a choice, he replied:"Absolutely."
"Because a lot of people who go into prison go into prison straight -- and when they come out, they're gay. So, did something happen while they were in there? Ask yourself that question," Carson said.


Sexual orientation is not a "choice" except if one wants to avoid facts wants to make it a political issue. In religious terms it is mass "Bearing False Witness" on a terrible and horrible scale. The stupid and others with less than ideal motives will easily believe this lie. It is not true to those who have studied and investigated it, much less actual gays know better. In the 1950's (and earlier) for example, who would "choose" it with all the blackmail and negative consequences including horrible murders etc.

That an MD can bear False Witness on such a scale is one thing, if he actually believes it, then his stupidity and gullibility for political purposes make him unqualified for the highest position in the land because scores of world leaders also know better and will realize they will be negotiating with a putz!

His stupid comments make him unqualified for being anything but a political hack.




[Edited by: Passer at 3/14/2015 12:00:12 PM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Mar 14, 2015 11:39:17 AM

So Passer and the rest of the 'less than right leaners' just what is your problem with Carson?

Shall we accuse you of something bad as all those who were opposed to obama were accused? After all turnabout should be fair play shouldn't it?
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Mar 14, 2015 11:18:38 AM

Personally, I was just looking for something concrete to discuss.

Not harboring any vitriol here (lol)
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Passer
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Message Posted: Mar 14, 2015 11:15:24 AM

"What exactly is the bottom of your dislike for him?"

Why do you ask a question that you have brainwashed yourself into knowing the answer. As you said, " that he is intelligent, that he is black and more intelligent than most white, and more intelligent than all that go here..."

You have made the question rhetorical and like those with preconceived beliefs, the worst thing in the world for them are answers that they have made themselves deaf to because "answers" are the ONE thing they fear the most.
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Message Posted: Mar 14, 2015 4:15:27 AM

"I want to hear the definition of your dislike for him."

As do I.

Carson for President bumper stickers have been around for the better part of a year.
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Mar 14, 2015 1:52:31 AM

What bothers you all most about Ben Carson, that he is intelligent, that he is black and more intelligent than most white, and more intelligent than all that go here, that he pulled himself out of poverty, that he is a man of religion, that he never learned the word "can't", that he is a man who is honest vs politically correct or just plain a liar..... What exactly is the bottom of your dislike for him?

I want to hear the definition of your dislike for him.

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Message Posted: Mar 14, 2015 1:38:06 AM

"...but I assume it was a Carson for President sticker.")

Or it could have been the 21st Century's original Elephant Joke.

Sorry for being so redundant...
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Message Posted: Mar 11, 2015 4:59:23 PM

I think I might have seen a Ben Carson bumper sticker yesterday. Truck went by too quick to read the whole thing, but I assume it was a Carson for President sticker.
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Message Posted: Mar 8, 2015 6:14:44 PM

Thankfully his own words and ironic stupidity doomed his chances for even coming in close in the GOP Primary. The foolish doctor will sadly learn that it takes much more than surgery to remove one's foot from their mouth.

And the angle in which he inserted his, will be fatal to his political future.
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2015 3:04:00 AM

Another example of how detached the right is from reality. It comes out in shining examples when they are not protected by Fox News.
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Passer
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2015 2:59:19 AM

" he's driving a divot on the golf course?"

Let the golf course be a lesson to anyone running for political office who thinks and foolishly speaks like he is "holier than thou" -- only in the head!
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2015 1:29:28 AM


..."Topic: Grassroots drive for Dr. Ben Carson, to be President in 2016"

*giggling*...Sooo...he's driving "grass" to medical marijuana patients or he's driving a divot on the golf course? :D
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2015 11:57:07 PM

Bryan Fischer continued: "He may have done fatal damage to his campaign with his apology last night,".

I suppose that all depends on how many eligible voters see it Fischer's way and how many prefer Carson's apology. Time may tell.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2015 10:07:27 AM

The politically correct view is that, if you are "gay" (that is, you have SSA) then you can't be blamed for the behavior), and conversely, if you behave "gay" you are "gay"."

That isn't the politically correct view, it is simple reality. Just as;

'If you are not "gay" (that is, you do not have SSA) then you can't be blamed for the behavior, and conversely, if you behave not "gay" you are not "gay".'
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2015 10:04:08 AM

"By so doing Dr. Carson has now generated criticism from the hate group American Family Assn.'s Bryan Fischer.

Dr. Carson seems to be not considering the possibility that some people could be offended because he apologized"

LOL - SMH....

You can never make everybody happy.
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2015 10:03:29 AM

"<<Dr. Carson was not careful enough in his interview>>

That seems to be a common problem for Ben Carson. In Presidential politics, you have to be always on guard against going off script and saying something you'll regret later. Carson doesn't seem to have learned that lesson."

Agreed, which was my point.
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2015 12:41:54 AM

"Ben Carson apologizes for comments on gay people."

By so doing Dr. Carson has now generated criticism from the hate group American Family Assn.'s Bryan Fischer.

Dr. Carson seems to be not considering the possibility that some people could be offended because he apologized

[Edited by: KatmanDo at 3/6/2015 12:46:22 AM EST]
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PiqueOil
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2015 8:42:20 PM


Steamy, GTH: "...leather straps, witch doctors and Marcus Bachmann."
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gas_too_high
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2015 8:35:51 PM

GTH: "The politically correct view is that, if you are 'gay' (that is, you have SSA) then you can't be blamed for the behavior), and conversely, if you behave 'gay' you are 'gay.'"

PiqueOil: "That's not PC. It's garbled nonsense from the "reparative therapy" movement (what's left of it, anyway)."

I find it interesting, to say the least, that you didn't bother to educate us as to what *is* the "PC view." Instead, you ranted on about leather straps, witch doctors and Marcus Bachmann. Anyway, I'm not going to comment further on this issue here, otherwise this topic might get sidetracked.

GTH: "Dr. Carson was not careful enough in his interview..."

Davewalk: "That seems to be a common problem for Ben Carson. In Presidential politics, you have to be always on guard against going off script and saying something you'll regret later. Carson doesn't seem to have learned that lesson."

Good point. This shows Dr. Carson's lack of experience running for elective office. That interview is likely to haunt him as long as he stays in the race. An experienced politician, especially a Republican for whom the press is, shall we say, not always in sympathy, knows he has to be prepared to deal gracefully with sensitive issues and "gotcha" questions.

As I have said before, running for President is no place to learn how to run for office. The stakes are just too high and the scrutiny too intense and unforgiving.

GTH: "If Dr. Carson wants to run for President, running for and winning a Senate seat would be excellent preparation for him, seeing as how he has no political experience."

Davewalk: "There are a couple of problems with that plan. First, Maryland hasn't elected a Republican senator since 1980, and if it happens in 2016, the winner is likely to be a more moderate Republican than Carson."

Very true. Maryland tends to be a deep blue state.

"Second, Carson will be 65 by the date of the 2016 general election -- That's quite late in life to start a political career."

That's not as big a problem. Ronald Reagan was 69 when he became President, and John McCain turned 72 during his campaign in 2008. (I think McCain was defeated by the economy, not by Barack Obama). Hilliary Clinton is in her late 60s. Age might make a candidate less electable, but is not a big obstacle.

Carson's biggest problem is not his age, but his lack of experience running for and holding elective office, as the CNN interview makes clear.

GTH

[Edited by: gas_too_high at 3/5/2015 8:38:57 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2015 7:28:55 PM

Carson has proven himself to be incredibly stupid. Perhaps he and Bachmann's husband who "cures" gays should go live on an island somewhere.
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gas_too_high,

You wrote "The politically correct view is that, if you are 'gay' (that is, you have SSA) then you can't be blamed for the behavior), and conversely, if you behave 'gay' you are 'gay.'"

That's not PC. It's garbled nonsense from the "reparative therapy" movement (what's left of it, anyway). But I do glean from the post that you want to place blame on folks for homosexual acts. No doubt there's some strict punishment involved, too. Black leather straps, restraints, that sort of thing.

I know where you would send a son with the "condition" of "SSA." Family doctor? No, of course not. She would have no pills to prescribe and no wounds to treat. Psychiatrist? No, of course not. It has been more than four decades since homosexuality was classified as a disorder. Witchdoctor? Priest? Pastor? Marcus Bachmann? Yes, yes, yes, and yes.

They are the only ones still offering to "heal" and "cure" a homosexual of her or his homosexuality. It's the "pray the gay away" ideologues who tout the "condition of same-sex attraction."
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2015 1:48:27 PM

I think Mr. Carsons biggest flaw in a quest to be a politician is his honesty. If you ask him a question he will give you an answer of what he actually thinks and not what you necessarily want to hear. I think you need huge ego, thick skin and the ability to say what your chosen group wants to hear to be a politician. They are all liars.
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Davewalk
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2015 1:17:24 PM

<<Dr. Carson was not careful enough in his interview>>

That seems to be a common problem for Ben Carson. In Presidential politics, you have to be always on guard against going off script and saying something you'll regret later. Carson doesn't seem to have learned that lesson.

<<If Dr. Carson wants to run for President, running for and winning a Senate seat would be excellent preparation for him, seeing as how he has no political experience.>>

There are a couple of problems with that plan. First, Maryland hasn't elected a Republican senator since 1980, and if it happens in 2016, the winner is likely to be a more moderate Republican than Carson. Second, Carson will be 65 by the date of the 2016 general election -- That's quite late in life to start a political career.
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2015 12:52:08 PM

Dr. Carson was not careful enough in his interview to make the distinction between "being" homosexual (that is, having the condition known as same-sex attraction or SSA) and homosexual behavior, that is, committing homosexual acts and living the homosexual lifestyle. That is the only thing he needs to clarify, if not apologize for outright.

But of course, CNN (like virtually all mainstream media outlets) was not going to help him make that distinction, because they believe the distinction does not exist. (Neither does weaselspit or many other people here). The politically correct view is that, if you are "gay" (that is, you have SSA) then you can't be blamed for the behavior), and conversely, if you behave "gay" you are "gay".

Although he didn't say so clearly, the distinction between the condition, which is not chosen, and behavior, which is; was precisely the point of his discussing homosexual behavior in prison, among those not previously known to "be" homosexuals.

GTH
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2015 12:03:19 PM

Lol, as if to prove my point;

Ben Carson apologizes for comments on gay people.
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2015 11:41:52 AM

"The "genetic variant" vs. choice theory of homosexuality is about as settled science as AGW."

I can't disagree with that.

But his comments indicate that he believes gay people choose to be gay, and whether you or I see that as an attack is really irrelevant since (I'm assuming) neither of us have a dog in that fight. I would bet, however, that most gay people would not view his comments so innocuously, even with his more progressive stance on homosexuals having 'some' kind of legal standing (redefining marriage as a strictly religious event, and by religious I mean Catholic since not all religions even agree on this point).

When you add in his continued opining on various subjects which his religion is at odds with (evolution, for one), I can't in good conscience support somebody who refuses to acknowledge facts over spirituality. That is not a good trait for a leader, IMO.

I think Ben is a good person, I think he is a relative smart man and an excellent surgeon. I don't think he is suited to be a President by any stretch of the imagination.

"I was hoping that you weren't falling into the often progressive mindset that anything other than total agreement is an attack."

That isn't just a 'progressive' mindset as the right becomes further and further entrenched in this mindset as well (the further right you look, the more this tactic is used). Hence the polarization of our politics...
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2015 1:22:00 PM

"Carson said he thinks same-sex couples should have the same legal rights as heterosexual couples, but without the title of marriage. “Why can’t any two human beings, I don’t care what their sexual orientation is, why can’t they have the legal right to do those things? That does not require changing the definition of marriage.”

From weaslespit's link
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2015 1:20:14 PM

Weaslespit,
I'm not sure where you got that Dr. Carson was "attacking" another group. Was it his contention that homosexuality is a choice? Is that an attack?

I was hoping that you weren't falling into the often progressive mindset that anything other than total agreement is an attack. The "You're either with us or against us" mindset should have gone out in the '60's and early '70s.

The "genetic variant" vs. choice theory of homosexuality is about as settled science as AGW. That is to say, not at all. For all anyone knows to a certainty, it's both. Carson has given his opinion on it, nothing more. If you don't like his opinion, don't vote for him.
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2015 12:49:16 PM

"Dr. Carson was defending marriage, which too many candidates are afraid to do."

In fact, he was stating his opinion on people 'choosing' to be gay... You don't defend the religious definition of marriage by attacking another group if you have real ambitions for the Oval Office.

"And his point about homosexual behavior in prison and only in prison, was well taken."

I'm sure it was by you ;)
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2015 11:05:13 AM

I say..........dear God, save us from those who have had political experience and have nearly completely ruined this country. I have never seen such division and continual lying from a former community organizer and short term Senator. Help us to get back to an honest, united country. Help us to heal and thrive.
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2015 10:48:50 AM

I75at7AM: "Carson offers an entirely new concept to Presidential Politics: a proven leader, smart, educated, capable, with no political baggage!"

weaswelspit: "Uh, maybe not; Presidential candidates don't spout off on every subject using baseless conjecture."

Dr. Carson was defending marriage, which too many candidates are afraid to do. That is a point in his favor. And his point about homosexual behavior in prison and only in prison, was well taken.

GTH
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2015 9:59:39 AM

"Carson offers an entirely new concept to Presidential Politics: a proven leader, smart, educated, capable, with no political baggage!"

Uh, maybe not;

Presidential candidates don't spout off on every subject using baseless conjecture.

Doesn't seem too educated to me in that regard, and his political baggage is growing every time he speaks...
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2015 9:33:40 AM

Here is a direct link to Carson's website:

http://www.bencarson.com/

  UNITE   HEAL   THRIVE

Now there's a winning combination of concepts! Instead of divide and conquer, change that we don't need, Sit With Mitt or any of the others from the past....

Carson offers an entirely new concept to Presidential Politics: a proven leader, smart, educated, capable, with no political baggage!

If you are tired of life-long politicians, political retreads, Senators, Governors, former Governors, House members, former House members, Vice Presidents, former Vice Presidents, running for President (and winning), this election offers a fantastic opportunity to change the political balance in Washington!

Please carefully consider supporting Ben Carson for President in 2016!


[Edited by: I75at7AM at 3/4/2015 9:34:27 AM EST]
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