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mexicomaria

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Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 11:47:47 PM

At long last...a man that does not care to be politically correct, he cares to be frank. Dr Ben Carson speaks at Prayer Brkft
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 10:21:21 PM

But Paxman and PVT are the same.....

Now, why would you make the statement..."And I think he is currently in the best position to make the biggest positive influence he can given his skill set."

That is like saying he is doing the best he can given what he has to work with....I would say he is one man who has always triumphed over any adversity in his life. He has always risen above any expectation set for him. He is one man in American who is known for being able to triumph without lying, conniving, or blaming. He has arrived where he is without the help of anyone but a mother who knew he could be the best, and love him. Everything else was against him. I would follow a man like that into batter as he is a leader and not a follower. He certainly is not a whiner.
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 8:40:33 PM

"What is your skill set weasel, since you believe that you know about Ben Carson's skill set?"

Is Ben not a top-notch Doctor? Everything I have seen seems to indicate that. What would my skill set have to do with recognizing that fact?

"Are you still doing what you were doing when you were Paxman?"

As a nurse, can you self-medicate? Your paranoia is reaching epic levels. First I was PVT, now I am Paxman...

Your act was cute for a while, now it is just pathetic. I will pray for you.
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 3:32:58 PM

What is your skill set weasel, since you believe that you know about Ben Carson's skill set? Are you still doing what you were doing when you were Paxman?
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 3:20:28 PM

"Dr. Carson gives his time as well. He has inspired hundreds of thousands of school-aged kids with talks he has given, usually at Hopkins, but often at their schools."

And I think he is currently in the best position to make the biggest positive influence he can given his skill set.
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 3:17:26 PM

Maria,
"He has the money to do that....so he gave money....while others give time. "

Dr. Carson gives his time as well. He has inspired hundreds of thousands of school-aged kids with talks he has given, usually at Hopkins, but often at their schools.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 11:57:12 AM

"Look up philanthropist"

Wassamata, definition of philanthropy not what you expected?

"Look up philanthropist and tell how you feel you have to be "rich" (Implied by you) to be one..."

Again;

"The desire to promote the welfare of others, expressed especially by the generous donation of money to good causes."

Are you not seeing the word "generous" qualifying the amount of money donated?

"There are many people that forgo making large lumps of money and only make barely enough to get by and do work to help others..."

Which doesn't describe Carson, so it is a non sequitur.

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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 10:01:23 AM

"Done"...Actually not done...

Look up philanthropist and tell how you feel you have to be "rich" (Implied by you) to be one... There are many people that forgo making large lumps of money and only make barely enough to get by and do work to help others...

By the way, we could have a whole other study on corporate philanthropy... LOL... (reference to Gates, and don't take that personally wp... just got me with the dictionary reference to Gates "philanthropy"!
reference my previous link...
True Charity - Selfless - Not Self Serving




"Meaning you missed the point"Don't think so, but maybe you missed mine...

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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 9:32:10 AM

"No it does not... Try looking up the word in the dictionary..."

Done (from Google);

"phi·lan·thro·py

/f?'lanTHr?pe/

noun

The desire to promote the welfare of others, expressed especially by the generous donation of money to good causes."

Monetary contributions is one of the easiest ways to be identified as a philanthropist. Gates is a prime example (from Miriam Webster);

"For many years, Microsoft has used corporate philanthropy to bring technology to people who can't get it otherwise, donating more than $3 billion in cash and software to try to bridge the digital divide. —Bill Gates, Time, 11 Aug. 2008"

Again, I also agreed that time is another method of being philanthropic, but to spend enough time on something (that typically doesn't make you any money) to be considered philanthropic, you have to already have money to support yourself and your efforts (Howard Buffet)... Volunteering for a couple of weekends at Habitat for Humanity doesn't make one a philanthropist.

"Weasle, I provided links to when the fund started from Dr. Ben Carson... it was in the link, I posted it and provided a link to back up what I posted... please pay attention. Did you not bother to look at ANY of the links I provided??? I don't make this stuff up."

Which is why I accepted what you posted. What is the problem here?

"The link was to his tax records going back to 2000 through 2006."

Meaning you missed the point?

[Edited by: Weaslespit at 10/31/2014 9:34:07 AM EST]
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reb4
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 11:11:48 PM

"Philanthropy typically is based on economic standing - meaning you have to have money first. Typically, the older you are the further you are in your career and thus the more money you have at your disposal to be philanthropic. "

No it does not... Try looking up the word in the dictionary...

In 2000 the Obama's made 200K, the Obama's gave $2,350 to charity.
That is in the link from N.Y. TImes (takes awhile to load up)."You say that the Carson Scholar fund was created in '94. OK. "Weasle, I provided links to when the fund started from Dr. Ben Carson... it was in the link, I posted it and provided a link to back up what I posted... please pay attention. Did you not bother to look at ANY of the links I provided??? I don't make this stuff up.

"Agreed - but that kind of charity doesn't show-up in the Obama's W2's."

The link was to his tax records going back to 2000 through 2006.By the way... Here is Biography of Ben Carson....
Link
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 9:36:31 PM

Excellent statement, tim, "I disagree, you can certainly be philanthropic with your TIME, volunteering to make your community and the world a better place."

I completely agree. You can take in those children who need homes on your own, or foste children, you can spend your vacation with your family working in volunteer work, building homes or mission work feeding the poor, shovel your elder neighbors walk...grocery shop for a shut in. It goes on and on............you will never have a unused minute and your children will learn how to give.

Ben lived in a single mother home but he got an education and rose above...he wants to help those who are unable to get educations. He has the money to do that....so he gave money....while others give time.
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 4:33:18 PM

"I disagree, you can certainly be philanthropic with your TIME, volunteering to make your community and the world a better place."

I agree, which is why I then went into making the comment that perhaps some of the Obama's philanthropic activities didn't necessarily show-up in their W2's and discussed some of Obama's previous work.

Certainly not glamorous or sexy...

"Does philanthropy make a good candidate? No, but it doesn't hurt."

It doesn't hurt, I can't disagree with that! Just playing a bit of Devil's Advocate is all...
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 2:34:45 PM

"Philanthropy typically is based on economic standing - meaning you have to have money first. Typically, the older you are the further you are in your career and thus the more money you have at your disposal to be philanthropic."

I disagree, you can certainly be philanthropic with your TIME, volunteering to make your community and the world a better place.

Does philanthropy make a good candidate? No, but it doesn't hurt.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 2:22:45 PM

"it certainly appears to me Mr. Carson had been doing it before he was being in the public eye for any office..."

Sure, but if you are going to open that can of worms... Philanthropy typically is based on economic standing - meaning you have to have money first. Typically, the older you are the further you are in your career and thus the more money you have at your disposal to be philanthropic.

You say that the Carson Scholar fund was created in '94. OK. You also say that Obama didn't start making 'philanthropic-level' contributions until '07. We'll take that at face value. Given the 2 men are 10 years different in age, that makes Obama about 3 years late in comparison to Carson. But as admitted by you, he was donating more than most GB members do as far back as '04, so donating to charity wasn't something the Obama's just started doing once they were in the eye of the public.

So again, does philanthropy indicate a good POTUS? Not according to conservatives.

" at least the kind that is giving for giving sake.... not for "self" sake..."

Agreed - but that kind of charity doesn't show-up in the Obama's W2's.

"I cringe because, to me, charity is selfless, not self-serving."

I agree, which is why his timer served as a community organizer, as well as other initiatives he undertook in the 90's.

Do I think Carson is a good man? Sure. Do I think Carson is intelligent? Sure. Do I think Carson would make a good POTUS candidate? No, but that opinion has nothing to do with philanthropy...

[Edited by: Weaslespit at 10/30/2014 2:27:45 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 1:49:42 PM

Weasle Message Posted: Oct 26, 2014 2:00:32 AM Weaslespit
reb4 partial quote: "not this man whose foundation, Carson Scholars, provides funds for many young people to attend college."

Weasle posted: "So now philanthropy is a critical requirement for a good POTUS candidate? You must be a big fan of Obama then, given the hundreds of thousands of dollars he donates from his own pocket towards similar ends..."





My previous post weasle regarding the presidents giving was to shine a light on the fact that once he was in the public eye for a national position... the "charity" went up.Here is an article expressing how how most peolpe feel about philanthropy.... at least the kind that is giving for giving sake.... not for "self" sake...True Charity: Selfless, Not Self-serving


"I cringe every time I hear about some multi-billionaire donating money to charity.

I don't cringe because I have anything against charity; in fact, I have a high regard for true charities, as if charity needs a modifier.

I cringe because, to me, charity is selfless, not self-serving.

Billionaires and even lowly millionaires, may or may not be altruistic about giving to "charity," but in either event they gain considerable benefits from their donations. Not insignificant among the benefits of giving is the generous tax deductions granted by both the federal and state governments."


You not following up on the subject was not really a surprise... and not a criticism, just an observation... gave as little as 2,500 back in 2004... which was just a little over 1% of income...






THere is not pre-requisite for giving money to charity weasle... but you are the one that brought Obama's giving into the picture.... using it to say Obama gives as well. The difference I was showing was, it certainly appears to me Mr. Carson had been doing it before he was being in the public eye for any office....


[Edited by: reb4 at 10/30/2014 1:53:41 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 1:18:25 PM

"I've modified my opinions about different topics based on the rational postings I've seen here from those with opposing viewpoints."

Agreed - I have as well. Just one example, I was initially in favor of limiting the size of magazines as a part of gun control...

"Philanthropy is certainly an indication of the qualities of a good person."

I don't disagree.

"one I would consider as a POTUS."

I'm just sayin', Obama would be considered a philanthropist by most but yet his detractors on the right claim he is the devil...
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 1:03:02 PM

Philanthropy is certainly an indication of the qualities of a good person; one I would consider as a POTUS.

It doesn't have to be monetary either. How many school groups did Obama address prior to his political career? I seriously doubt it was the hundreds that Carson did.

As an aside, I do NOT prefer that anyone stays silent. I always welcome well-thought-out discussions and opinions. I've modified my opinions about different topics based on the rational postings I've seen here from those with opposing viewpoints. Otherwise, why bother posting here at all?

[Edited by: teacher_tim at 10/30/2014 1:05:25 PM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 11:07:27 AM

"I noticed you got very quiet when I pointed out Obama's only became generous after he got into the national political scene... he got all generous in 2007"

Quiet?

Strange, some here would prefer if I stayed quiet, yet now that is a criticism? ;)

Again, Obama has been donating his own dollars since (at least) 2007. This isn't a contest to see 'who' is the 'most philanthropic'. It is a parallel showing philanthropy isn't necessarily a good indicator of a qualified POTUS.
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 10:55:02 AM

"Just a matter of perspective... One is touting certain traits that Carson has, I am merely drawing a parallel showing that those traits don't necessarily equate to a good POTUS, as posted by conservatives."Sure you are .... LOL... I noticed you got very quiet when I pointed out Obama's only became generous after he got into the national political scene... he got all generous in 2007, compared to Dr. Ben Carson who started the

Carson Scholar fund back in 1994




So how's that perspective?



[Edited by: reb4 at 10/30/2014 10:55:14 AM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 8:59:41 AM

"However Weasle, please stay focused on the topic at hand.... you liberals always wanting to make everything about Obama.

Geeeesh....."

I thought 'we' wanted to make everything about W? lol

Pick one stereotype, please... ;)

"Yeah, Weas, why are you bringing Obama into this Dr. Ben Carson thread? Obama can't run in 2016, unless he creates some new executive order."

Just a matter of perspective... One is touting certain traits that Carson has, I am merely drawing a parallel showing that those traits don't necessarily equate to a good POTUS, as posted by conservatives.

"The Surgeon General is a very ceremonial position, it has no power to do anything."

It has the power to issue reports, which can carry more than just water. Just as Big Tobacco.

"And it has to carry water for the Administration."

Not with regards to politics that don't effect public health. Even then, the SG doesn't have to carry the water for the Administration but since the appointee is typically aligned politically.....

Carson, IMO, is simply deflecting - or continuing to talk about a hypothetical that will never come to fruition to keep his name relevant.
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 6:22:02 AM

Sounds like mweyant found Dr. Carson's answer to your question, weaslespit.
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 5:54:27 AM

DR. CARSON: "The Surgeon General is a very ceremonial position, it has no power to do anything. And it has to carry water for the Administration. So if I don’t agree with most of the policies of the Administration, what would be the point?"
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 8:07:24 PM

Yeah, Weas, why are you bringing Obama into this Dr. Ben Carson thread? Obama can't run in 2016, unless he creates some new executive order. Back to Carson . . .

meet Dr. Carson

[Edited by: mweyant at 10/27/2014 8:07:40 PM EST]
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 11:07:15 AM

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The proof is in the pudding - talk is cheap. What he says and what actions he has taken show that he is not consistent."

spoken by a man that would have close up and personal knowledge of the above, so he is indeed able to speak to non consistency.
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 10:43:41 AM

"You must be a big fan of Obama then, given the hundreds of thousands of dollars he donates from his own pocket towards similar ends..."



No, not a big fan of Obama...

Though it was not always as generous....






"Although the campaign has not released the couple’s 2007 return, it has said the Obamas gave $240,000 to charity in 2007. This compares with charitable donations as low as $1,050 a few years ago."






However Weasle, please stay focused on the topic at hand.... you liberals always wanting to make everything about Obama.

Geeeesh.....





SMH


[Edited by: reb4 at 10/27/2014 10:44:15 AM EST]
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 10:35:22 AM

National Draft Ben Carson for President Committee
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 10:12:39 AM

"I urge those who have not read his books to do so--he explains the reasons that it is so important for people with varying opinions and beliefs to work together in order to move forward. Evidently he does not feel that this would be possible if he worked for Obama."

I concur. Part of the problem is that Obama has never HAD to compromise and doesn't feel that he should on anything. Obama is much more comfortable with sycophants and when he can force people to do what he wants.

I would vote for and campaign for Ben Carson in a heartbeat if he decided to run. This is a man who has had to make the toughest decisions imaginable and has done so with courage, grace and humility.
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 10:01:17 AM

"Evidently he does not feel that this would be possible if he worked for Obama."

The proof is in the pudding - talk is cheap. What he says and what actions he has taken show that he is not consistent.

"Ah, but what got him the privilege to be philanthropic? His hard work and dedication, which he would like to apply to helping our nation."

So you must be even more impressed with Obama, since he worked hard to become a lawyer just as Carson did to become a doctor. ;)

Or is that yet another intangible with no real indication of a good Presidential Candidate?
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2014 5:44:54 AM

I would prefer to deal with an informed rebuttal of the information posted. :)

Ah, but what got him the privilege to be philanthropic? His hard work and dedication, which he would like to apply to helping our nation.

No, I am not a fan of Obama's policies. I have not noticed much hard work and dedication from this former senator who liked to vote "present."

I do applaud free speech, however, and enjoy reading all comments about Ben Carson. He has caused quite a stir, and IMHO, will continue to do so, no matter which path he takes.

I urge those who have not read his books to do so--he explains the reasons that it is so important for people with varying opinions and beliefs to work together in order to move forward. Evidently he does not feel that this would be possible if he worked for Obama.

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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2014 3:00:32 AM

"not this man whose foundation, Carson Scholars, provides funds for many young people to attend college."

So now philanthropy is a critical requirement for a good POTUS candidate? You must be a big fan of Obama then, given the hundreds of thousands of dollars he donates from his own pocket towards similar ends...

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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2014 7:03:07 PM

" not this man whose foundation, Carson Scholars, provides funds for many young people to attend college."



Yes Mweyant, I am impressed by Ben Carson as well...




"Six thousand two hundred scholarships and counting..."



[Edited by: reb4 at 10/25/2014 7:03:26 PM EST]
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"Oh, I don't think that he is going to take his ball and go home... He is a doer. Perhaps he will not run, or, perhaps he will run and lose, but I do not think he will retreat to a life of inactivity."

Sure, just retreat when times are tough and failure has higher odds...

Anybody that said what he said is not my candidate.
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 9:38:40 PM

"So rather than using his skills and knowledge to help make a difference for the country, he, too, is going to take his ball and go home."

Oh, I don't think that he is going to take his ball and go home, not this man whose foundation, Carson Scholars, provides funds for many young people to attend college. He is a doer. Perhaps he will not run, or, perhaps he will run and lose, but I do not think he will retreat to a life of inactivity.Carson Scholars Fund

Ignoring the comment making generalizations about Republicans that are unfounded . . .
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 5:47:57 PM

The more I listen to him the more I like him.
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 8:52:07 AM

"No contradiction. He simply doesn't want to work for Obama."

So rather than using his skills and knowledge to help make a difference for the country, he, too, is going to take his ball and go home?

Definitely a Republican...

SMH
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 7:29:42 AM

There was NO WAY Ben Carson would have been offered the position. Obama wanted and chose a spin master.

[Edited by: reb4 at 10/24/2014 7:32:57 AM EST]
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No contradiction. He simply doesn't want to work for Obama.

Houston’s First Amendment abuse

"Perhaps a dose of maturity on all sides would put an end to the mindless name-calling and baseless accusations against those with whom we disagree and instead lead to civil discourse that can be constructive. After all, it is frequently easier to learn from those with whom we disagree than from those with whom we always agree. Also, conversation erases many misconceptions that drive hatred. That is the reason that famed community organizer Saul Alinsky, in his book “Rules for Radicals,” stated that you should never have a conversation with your adversaries, because that humanizes them, and your job is to demonize them. When your agenda is to fundamentally change a society, it can be a much easier task when you stifle conversation and debate."

Why is this quote from Carson's latest blog relevant to his Ebola comment?
Because Obama admires Alinsky. Carson does not admire Alinsky.
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 8:31:44 AM

"It actually surprises me that he answered that way, as he has said he is ready and willing and eager to serve this nation."

Hey, we agree! Carson seems to be contradicting himself yet again - he would make a good politician?
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 8:34:53 AM

>>> “Because if I would, if I were going to serve in that position, I would have to serve under someone that I trusted.”<<<

Well, I guess then he wouldn't have accepted the position as Ebola Czar either!

It actually surprises me that he answered that way, as he has said he is ready and willing and eager to serve this nation.
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 6:34:38 AM

Listen to Dr. Ben Carson’s Response When Asked If He Would Accept Surgeon General Nomination Under Obama

10-17-14

"When radio host Hugh Hewitt asked Dr. Ben Carson if he would accept the U.S. surgeon general nomination from President Barack Obama, the famous neurosurgeon was definitive in his response.

“No, no,” Carson replied immediately. “Because if I would, if I were going to serve in that position, I would have to serve under someone that I trusted.” '
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2014 3:17:02 AM

How Did the Ben Carson Super-PAC raise $10.6 Million?

10-16-14

"What's the secret? Small donations dominate the pro-Carson group's reports. About $9.5 million of the $10.6 million raised, or 90 percent, came from people whose donations aggregate to less than $200, according to Federal Election Commission filings. Those donations don't have to be itemized on FEC reports."

from a GasBuddy poster . . . "However, it seems the art of compromise has been lost on today's politicians. They are more intent on clinging to their dogma and any meaningful results be damned."

(my opinion) This is the reason that I like Carson. He keeps saying he knows that compromise is significant to the success of our nation. I only hope he means it.


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'The level of cooperation ebbs and flows depending on many different issues but there are certain issues that bring them closer together, like war.''

WRONG!
patriot repubs DO NOT support obamas PC wars!

its time to get ridda PC weather its form demos or cons!
no more a george w (RINO) PC wars either!!!
hint libs he isnt president any more
LOLOL! give it up!

thats rite libs u read it here first
some cons got the guts not to stand with american presidents when THEIR WRONG
even if the president is fighting war
case in point

W BUSH - an he STILL isnt president!
B OBAMA

got no use for PC from any of em! gimme stormin normin any day! patton! ike! carpet BOMBING! UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER!!!!!!!!!

dr ben is the subject an i do believe with his
military experience
n his business experience
and hes BLACK

HE DONT SUPPORT THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF at war and nor does I!!!!!

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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 9:49:36 AM

Maybe Obama's next fund raiser will be with him!
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 9:31:11 AM

"As I pointed out yesterday and again last night, it is leftists who drive the schism in our nation today."

Yeah! Stupider Leftists...
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 9:29:00 AM

As I pointed out yesterday and again last night, it is leftists who drive the schism in our nation today.

Dear Ruler was at it again yesterday.

0bama slams billionaires at the home of a guy named Rich Richman

You just can't make it up. No one would believe you. This was much stupider than Ronmey's 47% remard in fall 2012. Waaaay stupider.
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Zimcity
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 9:28:37 AM

"The point is there has always been a divide in our country based on party lines. The level of cooperation ebbs and flows depending on many different issues but there are certain issues that bring them closer together, like war."

However, it seems the art of compromise has been lost on today's politicians. They are more intent on clinging to their dogma and any meaningful results be damned.
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 8:45:42 AM

"The point is there has always been a divide in our country based on party lines. The level of cooperation ebbs and flows depending on many different issues but there are certain issues that bring them closer together, like war."

Agreed.

"BTW, bad economic times seem to drive the two sides apart. It is because they both usually have different ideas on how to repair a bad economy and truly the only thing that will fix it is time."

I would have to say that many partisan politicians view such conditions as an opportunity to gain back control, rather than a simple difference in ideology - which is always present.
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 8:35:10 AM

Here is an interesting commentary thinking about the possibility of a Carson / Clinton presidential run in 2016




Read it at another (paper) site, but found this commentary...Since the left feel the need / desire to participate, wanted to give them something that they could read ... on the subject... instead of wandering in other areas...

[Edited by: reb4 at 10/9/2014 8:35:20 AM EST]
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 8:23:42 AM

BTW, bad economic times seem to drive the two sides apart. It is because they both usually have different ideas on how to repair a bad economy and truly the only thing that will fix it is time. Economies go up and down in waves and sooner or later they will fix themselves. What politicians do is try to treat the symptoms because there is no cure for the actual ailment.
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 8:20:52 AM

"AF, would you also, agree that the parties have changed many times since Andrew Jackson?"

The point is there has always been a divide in our country based on party lines. The level of cooperation ebbs and flows depending on many different issues but there are certain issues that bring them closer together, like war.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 8:16:02 AM

"CNN Suggests Racism Behind Death of Dallas Ebola Patient"

CNN is a laughable 'news outlet'. They aren't biased like Faux News, they are simply incompetent...

Big difference. ;)
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