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mexicomaria

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Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 11:47:47 PM

At long last...a man that does not care to be politically correct, he cares to be frank. Dr Ben Carson speaks at Prayer Brkft
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2014 8:44:13 AM

"Perhaps we are in agreement that Ben Carson would not be a good Presidential candidate. But I suspect you have problems with his views."

We do agree that Dr. Carson is not a good Presidential candidate for the very reasons you mentioned.

If this were his only view, I would have no problem with it;

"Rising political star Ben Carson opened Friday night's Western Conservative Summit in Denver by saying that "Republicans, Democrats, people of faith and people of common sense" must start working together."

"And we all know what a disaster President Obama is turning into, even if you agree with his stance."

I don't agree with his stance 'on all issues'. I never agree 100% with 'any' President that is elected...

[Edited by: Weaslespit at 7/24/2014 8:45:21 AM EST]
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gas_too_high
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2014 9:52:55 PM

My bad. Obama is not doing nothing.

He's out fundraising.

GTH
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gas_too_high
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2014 9:34:11 PM

weaselspit: "Wow, I find myself in agreement with GTH for once... Interesting."

Perhaps we are in agreement that Ben Carson would not be a good Presidential candidate. But I suspect you have problems with his views.

I will say he has had executive experience, having been a division director at Johns Hopkins and a board member of several corporations. That's more experience than our incumbent President had before being elected.

And we all know what a disaster President Obama is turning into, even if you agree with his stance. In the current crises on our southern border, in Ukraine with a downed airliner, and in Gaza, Obama does -- nothing (other than talk).

GTH
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2014 9:35:38 AM

"We are only as strong as out weakest link, and right now we have no credibility, no honesty, no working together, spying on American citizens, lying to American Citizens, laying the ground work for American to be over run with folks who will vote only one way. We can't feed them or house them but they can vote. We need a leader who can plan on his feet, who is super bright, articulate, and honest. Everyone is looking right now for something they might drag him down over.

Herman Cain was never found in a court to be guilty of infidelity but if one gets it said enough then one must be guilty.

Ben Carson is on of the few men I believe can with stand the horror of lies that will be coming his way.......and for goodness sake, Ben, watch out for the video.
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2014 8:38:41 AM

I admire the way GTH contributes to the conversation without resorting to ridicule and mockery.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2014 8:34:39 AM

Wow, I find myself in agreement with GTH for once... Interesting.
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Message Posted: Jul 22, 2014 8:57:59 PM

Dr. Carson has many good things to say that need to be said. He is an accomplished surgeon, credited with the first successful separation of twins conjoined at the head. And I have no doubt that he is a man of good character. But he has never held elective office or even run for office, so far as I know.

That is important, because running for President is no place to learn how to be a political candidate. A political campaign brings with it all kinds of pressures, that a candidate needs to learn how to deal with and adjust to, what things he can (and must) compromise on, and what he must stand fast on, when to speak his mind, and when not to. Mistakes in all those areas and others are common, and can fell candidates at any level. Making new candidate mistakes at the Presidential level, where much rides on the outcome, is uncalled for.

And running for President 9espeially as a Republican, and even more so as black Republican) guarantees that your character and background will be intensely and publicly scrutinized. Few of us can withstand that. Just ask Herman Cain, felled in the last election cycle by infidelity. (But had he survived that, Cain would have fallen to gaffes and gaps in his knowledge and preparedness).

Ben Carson is a good man, and has the right views, but a viable Presidential candidate needs more. He needs experience running for and holding elective office. Dr. Carson simply doesn't have that experience.

GTH

[Edited by: gas_too_high at 7/22/2014 8:58:46 PM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Jul 22, 2014 11:58:34 AM

""Rising political star Ben Carson opened Friday night's Western Conservative Summit in Denver by saying that "Republicans, Democrats, people of faith and people of common sense" must start working together."

In other news...
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Jul 22, 2014 6:56:07 AM



7-18-14

"Rising political star Ben Carson opened Friday night's Western Conservative Summit in Denver by saying that "Republicans, Democrats, people of faith and people of common sense" must start working together.

The summit, held at the Hyatt Regency and Colorado Convention Center, culminates Sunday with a straw poll to gauge attendees' early choices for a 2016 presidential nominee."

He did indeed win that straw poll.

Ben Carson calls on conservatives to revive country

[Edited by: mweyant at 7/22/2014 6:59:02 AM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Jul 21, 2014 11:18:25 AM

"You might then get what actually occurred..."

It occurs to me that your understanding of the ruling is slightly skewed, especially given you comments in the Hobby Lobby thread - so I take your comment with a grain of salt.

My comment, FYI, goes back much further than the HL case... So you might want to read-up on Citizens United, etc.

[Edited by: Weaslespit at 7/21/2014 11:19:12 AM EST]
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Jul 21, 2014 9:29:48 AM

I think, weasle, it would actually benefit you to read the actually decision on the Supreme Court web site...

You might then get what actually occurred...

The decision is an interesting read...

Now, back to Dr. Ben Carson.

[Edited by: mexicomaria at 7/21/2014 9:30:30 AM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Jul 21, 2014 9:11:23 AM

"Oh... most people do not want to "change" the constitution, just the meaning of the words... thats all..."

Like the redefining of corporations as people such that they are suddenly protected by the Constitution ;)

SMH

[Edited by: Weaslespit at 7/21/2014 9:11:37 AM EST]
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jul 19, 2014 7:24:45 PM

Oh... most people do not want to "change" the constitution, just the meaning of the words... thats all...




SMH...


[Edited by: reb4 at 7/19/2014 7:24:54 PM EST]
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Jul 19, 2014 3:43:24 PM

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>>Altering the Constitution would never be my compromise of choice.<<

and

>>It may hurt....but leave the Constitution alone.<<

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I hope my stance is not being misinterpreted as being against change. As far as the US Constitution goes, I stand firm in abiding to it even though I may not like certain parts of it. Unlike the this and some other past administration's policies of getting away with as mush as possible.

I am vehemently against is both ignoring it or MISinterpreting the Constitution to suit a person's or group's agenda. Our Constitution has two means where if enough people want change, it can be done. The 'Progressives' were able to get their deceptive agenda in place by following the law. We can do the same but we must be forthright and clear in our goal, personal freedom and equality of justice for ALL citizens.

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mweyant
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Message Posted: Jul 19, 2014 5:32:47 AM

Altering the Constitution would never be my compromise of choice. :)
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Jul 19, 2014 1:00:23 AM

I agree, there are just some things that we should never meet in the middle on....or compromise on.... do not mess with the Constitution...

It may hurt....but leave the Constitution alone.
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2014 11:23:01 AM

mweyant, >>...I think Carson or someone like him would attempt to bring unpopular conversations to the table, work through them, and then say goodbye to them with a course of action in place to address them, instead of sweeping them under the table. I don’t think he is a “my way or the highway” type of individual – in my opinion, that is not working lately, and much to our great country's detriment. <<
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I certainly see your point of view but we've been faced with 'THEIR WAY OR THE HIGHWAY' for many decades. It is how we got into this mess. 'Progressives,' be they Democrat or Republican, have been putting forth a very deceptive agenda and an unsuspecting public has grown to accept compromise as a means to 'solving' problems concerning freedom.

These compromises have undermined our freedoms for over a century. The 'Progressive Movement' at first did things correctly by changing the Constitution to allow the direct taxation of citizens. Consequently, each citizen immediately lost their rights that were guaranteed by the Fourth, Fifth and, most important, Ninth Amendments.

Another change was the direct election of Senators which greatly reduced States rights that are guaranteed by Tenth Amendment and put the entire Congress in the hands of the public. Our Founding Fathers knew we, for the most part, were NOT wise stewards of our freedoms and would approve of legislation that would eventually lessen our freedoms through Governmental ENFORCEMENT of these new laws.

I sincerely believe the 'Progressives' were aware of this human fault and took advantage of this to gain power. Almost everyone would accept compromise to end the debate but ANY compromise merely would slow the eventual loss of our liberties. It is for this reason that I am against any compromise when it comes to debate about personal liberty.

I do agree with you about Dr. Carson being an exceptional person and would make an excellent President were he to have deal with people who were both honourable and limited their legislative actions to the confines of our Constitution.

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mweyant
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2014 11:44:51 PM

CARSON: Why the greater good sometimes necessitates compromise

from 5-27-14

It is difficult for me to stay out of Ben Carson conversations!

MahopacJack, I appreciated reading your take on Carson's willingness to compromise. To me it is unconscionable that the US Constitution, and the interpretation of it, is being challenged on so many fronts.

My take is that it is becoming more likely to see stalemate after stalemate with important issues of the day--for example, all these young people coming to this country, stuck in some sort of purgatory, and the collective reluctance to make decisions--plenty of blame to go around everywhere . . . ; all this stubborn hesitance to call out things that are wrong(I can’t help but wonder that if in 2016 before the election, we news lovers will still be held hostage to reading about further investigation into Lois Lerner’s missing emails, and, oh, but wait, some of them were printed out, etc., ad infinitum). I think Carson or someone like him would attempt to bring unpopular conversations to the table, work through them, and then say goodbye to them with a course of action in place to address them, instead of sweeping them under the table. I don’t think he is a “my way or the highway” type of individual – in my opinion, that is not working lately, and much to our great country's detriment.

Yesterday I was included in an email that invites people to a RunBenRun meeting in northern VA. Hmmm . . .
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2014 11:03:25 PM

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An excellent choice Surgeon General.

I'm reluctant to get on the band wagon for an Executive position as it appears to me he would tend to compromise with the very people who blatantly violate the US Constitution. Compromise would only serve to further entrench the corrupt politicians.

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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2014 10:39:30 AM

"Would be a good choice for vp from what i've seen."

Might be a good choice for a Doctor, from what I've seen.
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2014 10:30:10 AM

Probably not well known enough to win the nomination. Would be a good choice for vp from what i've seen.
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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2014 9:18:19 AM

You should have paid more attention in Sunday School.

I Samuel 16:

Context

Samuel Anoints David as King
…12 So he sent and brought him in. Now he was ruddy, with beautiful eyes and a handsome appearance. And the LORD said, "Arise, anoint him; for this is he." 13Then Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed him in the midst of his brothers; and the Spirit of the LORD came mightily upon David from that day forward. And Samuel arose and went to Ramah.

Romans Chapter 13:

Obey Those in Authority

13 All of you must be willing to obey completely those who rule over you. There are no authorities except the ones God has chosen. Those who now rule have been chosen by God. 2 So when you oppose the authorities, you are opposing those whom God has appointed. Those who do that will be judged.

3 If you do what is right, you won’t need to be afraid of your rulers. But watch out if you do what is wrong! You don’t want to be afraid of those in authority, do you? Then do what is right. The one in authority will praise you. 4 He serves God and will do you good. But if you do wrong, watch out! The ruler doesn’t carry a sword for no reason at all. He serves God. And God is carrying out his anger through him. The ruler punishes anyone who does wrong.

5 You must obey the authorities. Then you will not be punished. You must also obey them because you know it is right.

6 That’s also why you pay taxes. The authorities serve God. Ruling takes up all their time. 7 Give to everyone what you owe. Do you owe taxes? Then pay them. Do you owe anything else to the government? Then pay it. Do you owe respect? Then give it. Do you owe honor? Then show it.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2014 9:09:59 AM

"It must be news to Weasle that God does communicate with His people...if you haven't heard from Him, you ain't in His family."

I can honestly say I have never heard Him get involved with politics.

If you 'think' you have, you might want to verify the source was actually Him and not The Other...
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2014 9:00:12 AM

Plan on reading his book next month.. Will get it from Library...

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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2014 8:57:58 AM

Same here, mud.
Heck, I would even consider becoming a democrat so I could vote for him more than once!
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2014 12:30:42 AM

I'd have no problem voting for Dr. Carson.


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mweyant
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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2014 10:04:40 PM

A pro-Ben Carson super PAC has spent $150,000 buying up his books

7-16-14

There was an erroneous Ben Carson thread posted at 9:10 this evening on this forum. The following is an excerpt from the actual article that was referred to in the erroneous thread. You can see that the actual article's intent does not match the implied information in the erroneous thread.

"Over the course of 2014, the group spent about $150,000 buying two of Carson’s most recent books, "America the Beautiful" and "One Nation," which it offers to supporters as gifts to encourage donations, committee co-founder Vernon Robinson told Yahoo News.

Between February and April, the committee paid $105,761.78 to HarperCollins, the publisher of Carson’s 2013 book "America the Beautiful." In May and June, the group spent another $44,453.35 on Carson’s more recently published book at Joseph Fox Bookshop in Philadelphia, FEC documents show.

While the group’s purchases only account for a fraction of Carson’s total book sales, each book has spent several weeks on the New York Times best-seller list."

Note: "the group's purchases only account for a fraction of Carson's total book sales." Dr. Carson's popularity is through the roof. Is he presidential material? Who knows, but nobody deserves to have lies spread about him/her.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2014 12:46:22 PM

Ben Carson is one of those people, one of those rare, few people, that no matter what room he is in he's the smartest guy in the room.

That prayer breakfast he attended last year was no exception.
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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2014 12:35:34 PM

sgm4law: "Although I think he's quite an admirable man, I don't see him as the kind of political leader who can or should be running this country."

I feel the same way about Obama. And history has proven me to be correct. Of course, it's arguable whether or not His Incompetence is actually running anything or not...
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2014 12:31:14 PM

It must be news to Weasle that God does communicate with His people...if you haven't heard from Him, you ain't in His family.

You know how the Sunday paper always has the Parade Magazine...well, they centered on Doctor Carson this Sunday. He was the first person/doctor to ever successfully separate conjoined twins. Bet he can think on his feet.
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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2014 10:25:24 AM

too much fertilizer tends to make one feel $4!+y
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2014 8:29:30 AM

". . . one reason that this librarian thinks so highly of Dr. Carson"

He 'says' a lot of nice things, then he negates all of that when he says God told him to say (insert partisan comment here).

I wish him well as he seem like a nice person, but he is not whom I hope the GOP chooses to run against Hillary. I want them to choose somebody I can actually vote for.
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Message Posted: Jul 16, 2014 5:20:11 AM

"We need to read all kinds of books and articles, and experience a variety of electronic media. We should not engage in self-censorship, which creates a proclivity for indoctrination. I am convinced that a well-informed American populace will not be manipulated into relinquishing a beautiful American dream for all." Dr. Ben Carson

. . . one reason that this librarian thinks so highly of Dr. Carson

:)
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Jul 15, 2014 10:21:21 AM

"Although I think he's quite an admirable man, I don't see him as the kind of political leader who can or should be running this country."

Agreed.
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Message Posted: Jul 15, 2014 10:01:46 AM

Although I think he's quite an admirable man, I don't see him as the kind of political leader who can or should be running this country.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Jul 15, 2014 9:39:14 AM

"Stupidity is the deliberate cultivation of ignorance.... some folks have been cultivating and fertilizing like crazy. THey can take a rest for a season."

Please notify Gingrich - as well as Bachmann, Palin, Pelosi, Reed, Beck, Limbaugh (et al) on your distribution ;)
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Jul 15, 2014 1:31:02 AM

regarding Carson's stand on the economy . . .

Ben Carson on Budget & Economy
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2014 5:21:44 PM

Stupidity is the deliberate cultivation of ignorance.... some folks have been cultivating and fertilizing like crazy. THey can take a rest for a season.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2014 5:09:00 PM

"Wish Dr. Carson well what ever he undertakes!!"

Hopefully a ride with Gingrich to his Moon Colony which will 'spur the economy'... :P
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2014 5:08:00 PM

"But the difference is definitely in the interpretation of the points..."

Absolutely ;)
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2014 11:23:15 AM

LOL, weasle, I was trying to address your earlier post

"While those points seem nice, it is 'how' to achieve those points where political ideologies start to cross-swords..." But the difference is definitely in the interpretation of the points...
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2014 11:18:03 AM

Wish Dr. Carson well what ever he undertakes!!
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Weaslespit
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"But I have never .... NEVER met a liberal that wants smaller government...
(point #7)."

So one point out of 10?
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Message Posted: Jul 14, 2014 9:40:31 AM

Seems like an overachiever and intelligent man. Therefore, he is overqualified for the WH.
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Message Posted: Jul 13, 2014 5:52:28 AM

Hillary Clinton's book sales barely edging out Ben Carson's

7-11-14

""One Nation," released May 20, has been on the market about three weeks longer than Clinton's chronicle. But considering the discrepancy in name brand as well as the flourish and fanfare that led Clinton's ultimately tumultuous book tour out of the gate, the marginal sales gap is striking."
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Message Posted: Jul 9, 2014 1:29:55 PM

"While those points seem nice, it is 'how' to achieve those points where political ideologies start to cross-swords..."Some of these points could be debatable, though if anyone went to the link, they would see the details of what was described... and more details.

But I have never .... NEVER met a liberal that wants smaller government...
(point #7).
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Message Posted: Jul 9, 2014 1:26:05 PM

weasle, "While those points seem nice, it is 'how' to achieve those points where political ideologies start to cross-swords... " Yes. Bingo! Boom!

It is the methods played to encourage the results that count.
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Message Posted: Jul 9, 2014 1:21:14 PM

"All those points, reb, are just platitudes for his ego building. That is all."
WOW:
1. Eliminate Excessive Taxes
2. Eliminate the National Debt
3. Eliminate Deficit Spending
4. Protect Free Markets
5. Abide by the Constitution of the United States
6. Promote Civic Responsibility
7. Reduce the Overall Size of Government
8. Believe in the People
9. Avoid the Pitfalls of Politics
10. Maintain Local Independence

I guess anything unacheivable are platitudes... For me I would like to see these acheived in America...

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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Jul 9, 2014 1:02:20 PM

"Wow, tell me btc1, which point are you against?"

While those points seem nice, it is 'how' to achieve those points where political ideologies start to cross-swords...
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daylily2009
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Message Posted: Jul 9, 2014 1:00:26 PM

A liberal will find away to critize Dr. Carson !!
Already have in this topic!!
May Gods richest Blessing be with Dr. Carson as he tries to undo some of the mess obama has got us in!
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