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mexicomaria

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Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 11:47:47 PM

At long last...a man that does not care to be politically correct, he cares to be frank. Dr Ben Carson speaks at Prayer Brkft
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rdamurphy
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2014 8:40:46 PM

dr ben carson, great guy and also recently lerned he's a gas buddy
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2014 11:43:23 AM

RNorm, >>I've never heard ANY politician in this country say that they think they're god.<<
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Neither have I but that doesn't mean there aren't any politicians who think they are God.

There are some who act as though they can do whatever they please and their personal agenda is more important than keeping their oaths of office.

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Tru2psu2
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2014 8:11:13 AM

I'd vote for him!
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Sep 20, 2014 6:58:01 AM

"I've never heard ANY politician in this country say that they think they're god.

So it seems more like people putting words and/or thoughts into other people's mouths because they don't like what the other person did or said..."

I appreciate your comment, RNorm.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Sep 18, 2014 2:57:25 PM

""Maybe it's time to go with someone that talks / listens to God, instead of someone that instead of someone that thinks their god...""


I've never heard ANY politician in this country say that they think they're god.

So it seems more like people putting words and/or thoughts into other people's mouths because they don't like what the other person did or said...

SMH
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Sep 18, 2014 2:17:26 PM

"Maybe it's time to go with someone that talks / listens to God, instead of someone that instead of someone that thinks their god..."

'They're' ;)

If somebody believes God talks to them and acts accordingly, I pretty much keep a wary eye on them wherever they are at - you never know when God will suddenly tell that person to return as many of His children to Him as possible - thus spurring additional gun control debates...
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 7:26:31 PM

I am perplexed....God talks to all his children, so why are you surprised by this, weasel? or why do you think that is strange. Does God not talk to you.

“We have forgotten God. We have forgotten the gracious hand, which preserved us in peace and multiplied and enriched and strengthened us, and we have vainly imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessings were produced by some superior wisdom and virtue of our own. Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have become too self-sufficient to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that made us.” ~ Abraham Lincoln

“It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.” ~ George Washington

“The propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right, which heaven itself has ordained.” ~ George Washington

“We recognize no sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus!” ~ John Adams“We have staked the whole future of American civilization not on the power of government, far from it. We have staked the whole of our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves according to the commandments of God. The future and success of America is not in this Constitution, but in the laws of God upon which this Constitution is founded.” ~ James Madison“Before any man can be considered as a member of civil society, he must be considered as a subject of the Governor of the Universe. And to the same Divine Author of every good and perfect gift we are indebted for all those privileges and advantages, religious as well as civil, which are so richly enjoyed in this favored land.” ~ James Monroe“Finally, it is my most fervent prayer to that Almighty Being before whom I now stand, and who has kept us in His hands from the infancy of our Republic unto the present day, that He will so overrule all my intentions and actions and inspire the hearts of my fellow-citizens that we may be preserved from dangers of all kinds and continue forever a united and happy people.” ~ Andrew Jackson“If we ever forget that we are one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.” ~ Ronald Reagan

“The rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God.” ~ John F. Kennedy“You can’t divorce religious belief and public service. . . I’ve never detected any conflict between God’s will and my political duty. If you violate one, you violate the other.” ~ James Earl Carter, Jr.“If we ever forget that we are one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.” ~ Ronald Reagan“We asked for God’s help; and now, in this shining outcome, in this magnificent triumph of good over evil, we should thank God.” ~ George H. W. BushI would like to consider that many of our Presidents gave God credit...they listened to God...they gave God the glory. They led a great country by following God.

It seems we have only gone down hill, as Abraham Lincoln said, the moment we quit seeking out God, and listened to man's wisdom, which will never equal the wisdom of God. We are a lost and floundering nation now, no one follows us anymore, our respect level is down to its lowest within our nation and among our allies.

I suggest we could possibly be better off to follow a man who listens to the communication of God.....than leadership that does not hear God.

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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 4:27:48 PM

"And Says God Talks to him"Weasle,

Maybe it's time to go with someone that talks / listens to God, instead of someone that instead of someone that thinks their god...

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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 11:55:15 AM

"Yes, weasel, we should never desire anyone who is brilliant, can think on their feet, and has integrity..."

And says God talks to him...

"and everyone should listen to you on this issue."

Which is only fair, since you think everyone should listen to you. ;)

You can thank me later for helping defeat Clinton in the primary in '08.
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 11:45:54 AM

Yes, weasel, we should never desire anyone who is brilliant, can think on their feet, and has integrity, it is apparent that is not what you want, and everyone should listen to you on this issue.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 9:33:17 AM

If I were a Democrat, I would definitely indicate I was a Republican and choose Carson as my 'candidate' of preference to make retaining the Oval Office as easy as possible. ;)

If you think Romney fell hard - yikes. I certainly hope the GOP chooses somebody more qualified than Carson, as is my hope that Clinton does not get the Democratic nomination.
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Sep 17, 2014 3:43:19 AM

Another grass-roots victory for Ben Carson

9-16-14

'“Add the New Hampshire Young Republicans straw poll to a growing list of evidence that grass-roots Americans in key primary states believe Dr. Carson is the best choice for the Republican presidential nomination,” says Vernon Robinson, campaign director for the National Draft Ben Carson for President Committee, an independent group with $8 million in donations and 17,000 volunteers waiting in the wings poised with “clamor kits” for the potential candidate’s fans.'
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 2:18:14 PM

A couple of days ago I posted about a clash between Carson and Jesse jackson and the link failed. Here is a working link.

And by the way, let's all HOPE that the quantum fluctuation that we are living in is not too temporary. About 12 billion years in, I'd say we're all right for now.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 12:43:16 PM

of course Jack, I realize that you have to ignore reality in order to maintain your "faith"...
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 12:41:52 PM

I'm just showing you Jack, that your statement that all quantum fluctuations are temporary, is in fact in error.

Have a nice day...
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 12:22:35 PM

Shockjock, >>And as I have shown Jack, Wikipedia is in error (surprise, surprise). The formulation they use is incomplete and the orticle needs revision…<<
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Then complain to them rather than extending this discussion far 'beyond the pale.'
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[Edited by: MahopacJack at 8/27/2014 12:24:29 PM EST]
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 11:30:43 AM

And as I have shown Jack, Wikipedia is in error (surprise, surprise). The formulation they use is incomplete and the orticle needs revision...

[Edited by: Shockjock1961 at 8/27/2014 11:34:43 AM EST]
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 10:59:19 AM

Shockjock, >>BTW, you will notice that your Wikipedia "source" did not say ALL quantum fluctuations are temporary... <<
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In case you missed it, the following appears at the very beginning of Wikipedia's definition.

"In quantum physics, a quantum vacuum fluctuation (or quantum fluctuation or vacuum fluctuation) is the temporary change in the amount of energy in a point in space,[1] as explained in Werner Heisenberg's uncertainty principle.

According to one formulation of the principle, energy and time can be related by the relation[2]

\Delta E \Delta t \approx {h \over 2 \pi}

That means that conservation of energy can appear to be violated, but only for small values of t (time). This allows the creation of particle-antiparticle pairs of virtual particles. The effects of these particles are measurable, for example, in the effective charge of the electron, different from its "naked" charge."

Let me emphasize, "That means that conservation of energy can appear to be violated, but only for small values of t (time)."

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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 10:36:16 AM

I've already shown how the Universe may have been created through a quantum fluctuation...

BTW, you will notice that your Wikipedia "source" did not say ALL quantum fluctuations are temporary...

[Edited by: Shockjock1961 at 8/27/2014 10:37:44 AM EST]
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 10:34:52 AM

Shockjock, >>Really Jack? A Wikipedia article? That's your proof? <<
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You asked, >>Really, what makes you say ALL quantum fluctuations are temporary? <<

And I responded with Wikipedia's definition. If YOU have proof that Quantum Fluctuations are permanent, I suggest you take the problem up with Wikipedia.

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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 3:54:06 PM

Our try here if you want a source a little more reliable then Wikipedia...

For many years, cosmologists have relied on the idea that the universe formed spontaneously, that the Big Bang was the result of quantum fluctuations in which the Universe came into existence from nothing.
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 3:45:26 PM

Really Jack? A Wikipedia article? That's your proof?
Here

[Edited by: Shockjock1961 at 8/26/2014 3:49:51 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 1:01:06 PM

Heinlein is one of my favorite authors, flyboyUT. I love that quote! It's part of the reson that I won't allow abortion to be a topic when we do argumentative papers. It always boils down to religion and you simply can't argue religious beliefs. You either have some particular ones or you don't, and it is very difficult to take someone else's seriously if you are a "true believer" of some other faith. Explains much about politics as well.
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 12:57:58 PM

Weasel, >>You are in trouble, jack, when shock and I are in agreement…<<
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It isn't the first time nor will it be the last, where my beliefs are different than the majority. I'll take my chances.

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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 12:53:44 PM

Shockjock1961, >> Really, what makes you say ALL quantum fluctuations are temporary? <<
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THIS

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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 11:13:02 AM

You are in trouble, jack, when shock and I are in agreement...
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Message Posted: Aug 26, 2014 5:39:31 AM

Good News!
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 8:04:34 PM

I would certainly follow Dr. Carson's views on healthcare, and have when he was my son's doctor.

I believe the man also foresaw the evergrowing problems with the poorly-thought-out ObamaCare. If I were a politician who cared about the people, I would follow his advice on fixing that debacle as well.
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 8:01:12 PM

"If your theory of the origins of the Universe are true, then there is little, if any, meaning to life."

Life has as much meaning as you are willing to grant it...

"As Quantum Fluctuations are only temporary"

Really, what makes you say ALL quantum fluctuations are temporary?

"There is also the problem of space. In what vessel is our 'heavens' contained?"

Who says there has to be a vessel? Space/time is a vessel in and of itself...

"It is a matter of choice."

Exactly, and since neither choices can be proved, neither is more or less valid then the other...

"Should I believe in a theory that debases humanity"

What theory debases human and how does it do so?
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 6:39:17 PM

Robert Heinlein---- "No one can conclusively prove there is a God. No one can conclusively prove there is no God. All too soon you will die and find out for sure."

Act as you think wise.
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 6:34:53 PM

sgm4law, >>and who created God, again? Did God create God? <<
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It is a matter of choice. Should I believe in a theory that debases humanity or believing we should treat each other with respect and are ultimately answerable to a higher power?

Therefore, I CHOOSE God. The outcome is better and if wrong, what matter is it anyway?

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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 6:19:32 PM

Shockjock, >>It's amusing to see how people can so readily dismiss the idea that the Universe was created through a quantum fluctuation as an impossibility, yet readily embrace the concept that it was created by a magical being….<<
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Good for you that you are amused.

If your theory of the origins of the Universe are true, then there is little, if any, meaning to life. As Quantum Fluctuations are only temporary, something or someone had to be created before the temporary fluctuation could occur. Whether it was Energy or matter or a combination of both. There is also the problem of space. In what vessel is our 'heavens' contained? If there is no vessel, what are the limits? This often confuses those who are unable to conceive of a power greater man.

Unlike you, I do not find your line of thinking as amusement. I find it saddening.

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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 6:13:16 PM

"Instead of recognizing it is impossible for anything to evolve without it FIRST being created (i.e.. someone or something had to create not only the matter but the conditions for evolution as well, a.k.a. GOD),"

and who created God, again? Did God create God?
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Shockjock1961
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 4:37:07 PM

It's amusing to see how people can so readily dismiss the idea that the Universe was created through a quantum fluctuation as an impossibility, yet readily embrace the concept that it was created by a magical being....
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 2:11:37 PM

"you chose to use the Loony Left's ploy of ridiculing me."

Your 'answers' were simple deflections.

"Feel free to answer any of the questions below directly;

"What tangent is this you are now on? Since when did the theory of evolution ever pertain to Chemistry, Physics or any other field of science outside of Biology???"

Or this one;

"The question you should be asking is, why do you have to have creation without evolution?"

Or this one;

"What other subjects will he ignore the data on?"

[Edited by: Weaslespit at 8/25/2014 2:11:58 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 11:52:48 AM

Weasel, >>Again, I note the absolute refusal to answer the basic questions outlined - I am not surprised…<<
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I am not surprised that you did not see the answer to your questions. Perhaps it is because you do not or just ignore the meaning of words.

Here is a summarry of our 'debate.'

You asked, >>The question you should be asking is, why do you have to have creation without evolution?…<<

I replied, "As for the 'why', evolution cannot occur without creation but creation can happen without evolution ever taking place.

I then went on, "An example, Hydrogen. The building block of what we know as the Universe. How did it manage to evolve from nothing? Who or what brought it into existence? Who or what separated [a] neutral electrically charged object into its component parts, a proton and an electron?"

Instead of recognizing it is impossible for anything to evolve without it FIRST being created (i.e.. someone or something had to create not only the matter but the conditions for evolution as well, a.k.a. GOD), you chose to use the Loony Left's ploy of ridiculing me.

Have a nice day.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 10:09:17 AM

"Of course, Ben Carson is right.
Of course, The Reverend Jesse Jackson is wrong. Again."

I agree with Dr. Carson's opinion, and anybody else who says as much (‘Has Nothing To Do With Race’).
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 10:07:57 AM

"So now you're saying the Bible doesn't have any information in it?"

It has lots of information in it however most of it having to do with behavior, not science.

I don't recall ever reading a Bible for literal translation of scientific fact.

Again, I note the absolute refusal to answer the basic questions outlined - I am not surprised...
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Message Posted: Aug 25, 2014 10:03:10 AM

Ben Carson Clashes With Jesse Jackson Over Ferguson: ‘Has Nothing To Do With Race’

Of course, Ben Carson is right.
Of course, The Reverend Jesse Jackson is wrong. Again.

Posting this here instead of in a Ferguson thread.
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 4:22:50 PM

Weasel, >>Sorry jack, but the Bible is not 'data' proving or disproving evolution through the discussion of a 'soul'. Spin the English language any way you see fit though to complete your deflection of the issue….<<
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No one set out to prove or disprove Evolution THEORY. One of us, however, accepted it as fact and, unfortunately, it remains a THEORY. (Psst, it wasn't me.)

In case you someday find the time to look up words you use, I'll save you the trouble of looking up data. OOPS! I already did that. Well anyway, while we're on the subject definitions here's on for you. Its the singular of data.

datum |'dat?m, 'dat?m|
noun ( pl. data |'dat?, 'dat?| )

1 a piece of information. See also data.
• an assumption or premise from which inferences may be drawn. See sense datum.
2 a fixed starting point of a scale or operation.
ORIGIN mid 18th cent.: from Latin, literally ‘something given,’ neuter past participle of dare ‘give.’

So now you're saying the Bible doesn't have any information in it? Are you also saying the experiences of a four year old boy who claims to experienced Heaven and the information he passed onto us is not information?

Have a nice day.

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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 3:20:33 PM

Sorry jack, but the Bible is not 'data' proving or disproving evolution through the discussion of a 'soul'. Spin the English language any way you see fit though to complete your deflection of the issue....

I note the absolute refusal to answer the basic questions outlined - I am not surprised...
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 1:58:43 PM

Weasel, >>More tangents? Climate warming is indeed happening since the last ice ace - the question is about AGW and if it is real. There is not enough data either way to support or refute that claim yet.

VIOXX was shown to be dangerous when it was found that the drug company intentionally withheld data from Doctors regarding risks.

Anything else you'd like to try and deflect from the conversation at hand?

"First, are some Biblical quotes….."

I said data, as in science. <<

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Once again you fall prey to your lack of knowledge of the english language. Is english a second language for you?

The definition of data (look closely at the second definition):

data |'dat?, 'dat?|
noun [ treated as sing. or pl. ]

facts and statistics collected together for reference or analysis. See also datum.

• Computing the quantities, characters, or symbols on which operations are performed by a computer, being stored and transmitted in the form of electrical signals and recorded on magnetic, optical, or mechanical recording media.

• Philosophy things known or assumed as facts, making the basis of reasoning or calculation.It is very difficult, if not impossible, to debate with someone who does not know the meaning of words being in the debate.

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[Edited by: MahopacJack at 8/22/2014 2:02:14 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 1:02:20 PM

"Carson is interested in solutions, Sharpton is interested in political base. That's why Carson would be the better President for our country."

Than Sharpton? I agree.

"I doubt he'll run for President, but I hope the eventual winner, regardless of affiliation, is wise enough to consult Dr. Carson."

Should any of our future Presidents require medical advice, they should indeed consult Dr. Carson who is the utmost expert in his field.
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 1:00:53 PM

"Well unlike your empirical data that sometimes doesn't live up to expectations, such as VIOXX is safe if taken as directed and the data used for climate warming was eventually proven to be fraudulent..."

More tangents? Climate warming is indeed happening since the last ice ace - the question is about AGW and if it is real. There is not enough data either way to support or refute that claim yet.

VIOXX was shown to be dangerous when it was found that the drug company intentionally withheld data from Doctors regarding risks.

Anything else you'd like to try and deflect from the conversation at hand?

"First, are some Biblical quotes….."

I said data, as in science.

"and then there is this. Throughout the years the story never changed for the then 4 year old boy."

Again, the testimonial of a toddler is not data, much less science. Are you implying that Dr. Carson would discard data in favor of the testimonial of a child with regards to policy? Strange.

I see you never answered this question either;

"What tangent is this you are now on? Since when did the theory of evolution ever pertain to Chemistry, Physics or any other field of science outside of Biology???"

Or this one;

"The question you should be asking is, why do you have to have creation without evolution?"

Or this one;

"What other subjects will he ignore the data on?"
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 10:25:39 AM

Why would Al Sharpton debate Dr. Carson?
First of all, he would come off looking like an idiot compared to Dr. Carson, even though Dr. Carson would be very gracious in his refuting Sharpton's points. Second, there's no money or added power that can be traded for money for Sharpton.

Carson is interested in solutions, Sharpton is interested in political base. That's why Carson would be the better President for our country.

I doubt he'll run for President, but I hope the eventual winner, regardless of affiliation, is wise enough to consult Dr. Carson.
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 10:14:19 AM

There seems to be a significant misunderstanding about evolution...

Natural Selection is NOT evolution, and has been proven time and time again, with empirical data.

Macro-evolution, or evolution beyond species, is unproven and has never been observed in nature.

Once you understand the difference, you can continue with a discussion of creation...

Because, Evolution is every bit as much of a religion as Judaism or Christianity, or Atheism.
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Message Posted: Aug 22, 2014 10:08:48 AM

Weasel, >>Like I said... it doesn't jive with his opinion, so he disregards it, contrary to what he stated earlier about being data-driven.

"...and evolutionists seem to not be able to explain is that lifeforms, especially mankind, have been imbued with a soul.

Show mw the data.<<

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Well unlike your empirical data that sometimes doesn't live up to expectations, such as VIOXX is safe if taken as directed and the data used for climate warming was eventually proven to be fraudulent, my 'data' is anecdotal and has never changed.

First, are some Biblical quotes…..

and then there is this. Throughout the years the story never changed for the then 4 year old boy.

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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 3:19:50 PM

"The building block of what we know as the Universe. How did it manage to evolve from nothing?"

What tangent is this you are now on? Since when did the theory of evolution ever pertain to Chemistry, Physics or any other field of science outside of Biology??? The depths some will go to avoid the point being made never ceases to astound me.

"As for Dr. Carson, he dosen't deny the existence of empirical data but the conclusion many have come to..."

Like I said... it doesn't jive with his opinion, so he disregards it, contrary to what he stated earlier about being data-driven.

"...and evolutionists seem to not be able to explain is that lifeforms, especially mankind, have been imbued with a soul.

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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 2:06:40 PM

Weasel, >>...why do you have to have creation without evolution? The data is there regarding evolution, yet for a guy who says he is data driven (Carson), he refuses to acknowledge this particular set of data because it doesn't jive with his opinions.

What other subjects will he ignore the data on?<<

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As for the 'why', evolution cannot occur without creation but creation can happen without evolution ever taking place. An example, Hydrogen. The building block of what we know as the Universe. How did it manage to evolve from nothing? Who or what brought it into existence? Who or what separated an neutral electrically charged object into its component parts, a proton and an electron?

As for Dr. Carson, he dosen't deny the existence of empirical data but the conclusion many have come to.. What Dr. Carson also recognizes, and evolutionists seem to not be able to explain is that lifeforms, especially mankind, have been imbued with a soul.

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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 10:55:42 AM

"Can you explain to me how you can have evolution without creation? How the vast universe with all the minerals to make evolution even possible can exist without a Creator?"

Ugh - like I said, my opinion on the matter is moot. The question you should be asking is, why do you have to have creation without evolution? The data is there regarding evolution, yet for a guy who says he is data driven (Carson), he refuses to acknowledge this particular set of data because it doesn't jive with his opinions.

What other subjects will he ignore the data on?
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