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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 11:47:47 PM

At long last...a man that does not care to be politically correct, he cares to be frank. Dr Ben Carson speaks at Prayer Brkft
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KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2015 12:41:54 AM

"Ben Carson apologizes for comments on gay people."

By so doing Dr. Carson has now generated criticism from the hate group American Family Assn.'s Bryan Fischer.

Dr. Carson seems to be not considering the possibility that some people could be offended because he apologized

[Edited by: KatmanDo at 3/6/2015 12:46:22 AM EST]
PiqueOil
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Steamy, GTH: "...leather straps, witch doctors and Marcus Bachmann."
gas_too_high
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GTH: "The politically correct view is that, if you are 'gay' (that is, you have SSA) then you can't be blamed for the behavior), and conversely, if you behave 'gay' you are 'gay.'"

PiqueOil: "That's not PC. It's garbled nonsense from the "reparative therapy" movement (what's left of it, anyway)."

I find it interesting, to say the least, that you didn't bother to educate us as to what *is* the "PC view." Instead, you ranted on about leather straps, witch doctors and Marcus Bachmann. Anyway, I'm not going to comment further on this issue here, otherwise this topic might get sidetracked.

GTH: "Dr. Carson was not careful enough in his interview..."

Davewalk: "That seems to be a common problem for Ben Carson. In Presidential politics, you have to be always on guard against going off script and saying something you'll regret later. Carson doesn't seem to have learned that lesson."

Good point. This shows Dr. Carson's lack of experience running for elective office. That interview is likely to haunt him as long as he stays in the race. An experienced politician, especially a Republican for whom the press is, shall we say, not always in sympathy, knows he has to be prepared to deal gracefully with sensitive issues and "gotcha" questions.

As I have said before, running for President is no place to learn how to run for office. The stakes are just too high and the scrutiny too intense and unforgiving.

GTH: "If Dr. Carson wants to run for President, running for and winning a Senate seat would be excellent preparation for him, seeing as how he has no political experience."

Davewalk: "There are a couple of problems with that plan. First, Maryland hasn't elected a Republican senator since 1980, and if it happens in 2016, the winner is likely to be a more moderate Republican than Carson."

Very true. Maryland tends to be a deep blue state.

"Second, Carson will be 65 by the date of the 2016 general election -- That's quite late in life to start a political career."

That's not as big a problem. Ronald Reagan was 69 when he became President, and John McCain turned 72 during his campaign in 2008. (I think McCain was defeated by the economy, not by Barack Obama). Hilliary Clinton is in her late 60s. Age might make a candidate less electable, but is not a big obstacle.

Carson's biggest problem is not his age, but his lack of experience running for and holding elective office, as the CNN interview makes clear.

GTH

[Edited by: gas_too_high at 3/5/2015 8:38:57 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2015 7:28:55 PM

Carson has proven himself to be incredibly stupid. Perhaps he and Bachmann's husband who "cures" gays should go live on an island somewhere.
PiqueOil
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gas_too_high,

You wrote "The politically correct view is that, if you are 'gay' (that is, you have SSA) then you can't be blamed for the behavior), and conversely, if you behave 'gay' you are 'gay.'"

That's not PC. It's garbled nonsense from the "reparative therapy" movement (what's left of it, anyway). But I do glean from the post that you want to place blame on folks for homosexual acts. No doubt there's some strict punishment involved, too. Black leather straps, restraints, that sort of thing.

I know where you would send a son with the "condition" of "SSA." Family doctor? No, of course not. She would have no pills to prescribe and no wounds to treat. Psychiatrist? No, of course not. It has been more than four decades since homosexuality was classified as a disorder. Witchdoctor? Priest? Pastor? Marcus Bachmann? Yes, yes, yes, and yes.

They are the only ones still offering to "heal" and "cure" a homosexual of her or his homosexuality. It's the "pray the gay away" ideologues who tout the "condition of same-sex attraction."
ZennieWA
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2015 1:48:27 PM

I think Mr. Carsons biggest flaw in a quest to be a politician is his honesty. If you ask him a question he will give you an answer of what he actually thinks and not what you necessarily want to hear. I think you need huge ego, thick skin and the ability to say what your chosen group wants to hear to be a politician. They are all liars.
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2015 1:17:24 PM

<<Dr. Carson was not careful enough in his interview>>

That seems to be a common problem for Ben Carson. In Presidential politics, you have to be always on guard against going off script and saying something you'll regret later. Carson doesn't seem to have learned that lesson.

<<If Dr. Carson wants to run for President, running for and winning a Senate seat would be excellent preparation for him, seeing as how he has no political experience.>>

There are a couple of problems with that plan. First, Maryland hasn't elected a Republican senator since 1980, and if it happens in 2016, the winner is likely to be a more moderate Republican than Carson. Second, Carson will be 65 by the date of the 2016 general election -- That's quite late in life to start a political career.
gas_too_high
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2015 12:52:08 PM

Dr. Carson was not careful enough in his interview to make the distinction between "being" homosexual (that is, having the condition known as same-sex attraction or SSA) and homosexual behavior, that is, committing homosexual acts and living the homosexual lifestyle. That is the only thing he needs to clarify, if not apologize for outright.

But of course, CNN (like virtually all mainstream media outlets) was not going to help him make that distinction, because they believe the distinction does not exist. (Neither does weaselspit or many other people here). The politically correct view is that, if you are "gay" (that is, you have SSA) then you can't be blamed for the behavior), and conversely, if you behave "gay" you are "gay".

Although he didn't say so clearly, the distinction between the condition, which is not chosen, and behavior, which is; was precisely the point of his discussing homosexual behavior in prison, among those not previously known to "be" homosexuals.

GTH
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Message Posted: Mar 5, 2015 12:03:19 PM

Lol, as if to prove my point;

Ben Carson apologizes for comments on gay people.
Weaslespit
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"The "genetic variant" vs. choice theory of homosexuality is about as settled science as AGW."

I can't disagree with that.

But his comments indicate that he believes gay people choose to be gay, and whether you or I see that as an attack is really irrelevant since (I'm assuming) neither of us have a dog in that fight. I would bet, however, that most gay people would not view his comments so innocuously, even with his more progressive stance on homosexuals having 'some' kind of legal standing (redefining marriage as a strictly religious event, and by religious I mean Catholic since not all religions even agree on this point).

When you add in his continued opining on various subjects which his religion is at odds with (evolution, for one), I can't in good conscience support somebody who refuses to acknowledge facts over spirituality. That is not a good trait for a leader, IMO.

I think Ben is a good person, I think he is a relative smart man and an excellent surgeon. I don't think he is suited to be a President by any stretch of the imagination.

"I was hoping that you weren't falling into the often progressive mindset that anything other than total agreement is an attack."

That isn't just a 'progressive' mindset as the right becomes further and further entrenched in this mindset as well (the further right you look, the more this tactic is used). Hence the polarization of our politics...
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2015 1:22:00 PM

"Carson said he thinks same-sex couples should have the same legal rights as heterosexual couples, but without the title of marriage. “Why can’t any two human beings, I don’t care what their sexual orientation is, why can’t they have the legal right to do those things? That does not require changing the definition of marriage.”

From weaslespit's link
teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2015 1:20:14 PM

Weaslespit,
I'm not sure where you got that Dr. Carson was "attacking" another group. Was it his contention that homosexuality is a choice? Is that an attack?

I was hoping that you weren't falling into the often progressive mindset that anything other than total agreement is an attack. The "You're either with us or against us" mindset should have gone out in the '60's and early '70s.

The "genetic variant" vs. choice theory of homosexuality is about as settled science as AGW. That is to say, not at all. For all anyone knows to a certainty, it's both. Carson has given his opinion on it, nothing more. If you don't like his opinion, don't vote for him.
Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2015 12:49:16 PM

"Dr. Carson was defending marriage, which too many candidates are afraid to do."

In fact, he was stating his opinion on people 'choosing' to be gay... You don't defend the religious definition of marriage by attacking another group if you have real ambitions for the Oval Office.

"And his point about homosexual behavior in prison and only in prison, was well taken."

I'm sure it was by you ;)
mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2015 11:05:13 AM

I say..........dear God, save us from those who have had political experience and have nearly completely ruined this country. I have never seen such division and continual lying from a former community organizer and short term Senator. Help us to get back to an honest, united country. Help us to heal and thrive.
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2015 10:48:50 AM

I75at7AM: "Carson offers an entirely new concept to Presidential Politics: a proven leader, smart, educated, capable, with no political baggage!"

weaswelspit: "Uh, maybe not; Presidential candidates don't spout off on every subject using baseless conjecture."

Dr. Carson was defending marriage, which too many candidates are afraid to do. That is a point in his favor. And his point about homosexual behavior in prison and only in prison, was well taken.

GTH
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2015 9:59:39 AM

"Carson offers an entirely new concept to Presidential Politics: a proven leader, smart, educated, capable, with no political baggage!"

Uh, maybe not;

Presidential candidates don't spout off on every subject using baseless conjecture.

Doesn't seem too educated to me in that regard, and his political baggage is growing every time he speaks...
I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2015 9:33:40 AM

Here is a direct link to Carson's website:

http://www.bencarson.com/

  UNITE   HEAL   THRIVE

Now there's a winning combination of concepts! Instead of divide and conquer, change that we don't need, Sit With Mitt or any of the others from the past....

Carson offers an entirely new concept to Presidential Politics: a proven leader, smart, educated, capable, with no political baggage!

If you are tired of life-long politicians, political retreads, Senators, Governors, former Governors, House members, former House members, Vice Presidents, former Vice Presidents, running for President (and winning), this election offers a fantastic opportunity to change the political balance in Washington!

Please carefully consider supporting Ben Carson for President in 2016!


[Edited by: I75at7AM at 3/4/2015 9:34:27 AM EST]
Weaslespit
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"It seems weasel might have swerved, unintentionally, into the truth. If Dr. Carson wants to run for President, running for and winning a Senate seat would be excellent preparation for him, seeing as how he has no political experience."

That was actually 'exactly' the genesis of my post. I do not think he is currently a qualified candidate for that reason alone (although there are currently others as well that make me shudder at the thought of him in the Oval Office).

The unbiased reality is that time spent as a Senator will indeed increase his electability for POTUS, should that be his desire.
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2015 9:53:01 PM

teacher_tim: "I wonder if Dr. Carson will run for Mikulski's Senate seat?"

weaselspit: "That might be a wiser choice..."

It seems weasel might have swerved, unintentionally, into the truth. If Dr. Carson wants to run for President, running for and winning a Senate seat would be excellent preparation for him, seeing as how he has no political experience.

GTH
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2015 1:18:48 PM

"Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson has created an exploratory committee to run for president, becoming the first high-profile Republican candidate to formally enter the 2016 presidential contest.

Carson, the only African-American expected to enter the race, rose to national prominence after criticizing President Barack Obama's health care law at the 2013 National Prayer breakfast. He quickly developed a loyal following among the GOP's most conservative voters.

"Obviously, this is a very big step," committee chairman Terry Giles said in an interview with The Associated Press. "Today we begin the formal process of exploring whether or not Ben can win the presidency."

In the eyes of the law, there is little difference between a presidential campaign committee and an exploratory committee, which allows Carson to begin raising money for a White House bid.

Carson, 63, becomes the first in a large group of Republicans expected to enter the 2016 election. Several high-profile Republicans have acted like candidates in recent weeks."
Ben Carson Forms An Exploratory Committee To Run For President

I guess he's decided to run for President.
mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2015 1:07:22 PM

CPAC Straw Poll

Sen.Paul finished with 26 percent of the vote

Wisconsin GOP Gov. Scott Walker 21 percent of the vote

Texas Sen. Ted Cruz finished in third place with 11.5 percent

Dr. Ben Carson in fourth with 11 percent.

[Edited by: mexicomaria at 3/3/2015 1:09:21 PM EST]
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"I wonder if Dr. Carson will run for Mikulski's Senate seat?"

That might be a wiser choice...
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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2015 10:27:13 AM

I wonder if Dr. Carson will run for Mikulski's Senate seat?
KatmanDo
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"You utterly missed his point, IMO. The way I read it, he was actually refuting my assertion that you and reb are wasting your time/money... "

Bingo. Give that GB member a dessert of their choice for hitting the nail on the head.
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2015 11:41:35 PM

"Share with us how you are doing that, Kat....I am interested."

I worked for the candidate of my choice in the 2012 presidential election. I would encourage those who have faith in Dr. Carson to support him now with their time or money. Mere talk is cheap.

"....or how about their blood...."

Personally, I'm quite skeptical that Dr. Carson needs your blood at this time. But if that's all you have to offer him now, maybe he could make use of it.

[Edited by: KatmanDo at 2/24/2015 11:45:07 PM EST]
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"I believe if you read Ben Carson's books you will get the gist of his giving and his goal in life...or his reason for giving. This is a gentle man who has worked harder than probably all of us to get where he is....the hardships were many....and he is brilliant and loves the USA."

None of which qualifies somebody for the Oval Office...

"eb...I would never assert that many do not give...but the assertion was made that "people of faith need to put their money where their values are. Demonstrate your faith in a concrete manner."

What does that have to do with Ben Carson? Who has done that. Also, Kat I get has no idea who I am.....or what I do or have done. He just throws out mud and sees if it will stick. Does he really know any folks of faith here that do not do what he suggests?"

You utterly missed his point, IMO. The way I read it, he was actually refuting my assertion that you and reb are wasting your time/money...
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2015 9:35:15 PM

"Reb...I would never assert that many do not give...but the assertion was made that "people of faith need to put their money where their values are. Demonstrate your faith in a concrete manner.""

I'm sure alot of people think they give... but the level and the motivation are certainly at different levels...



[Edited by: reb4 at 2/24/2015 9:35:30 PM EST]
mexicomaria
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I believe if you read Ben Carson's books you will get the gist of his giving and his goal in life...or his reason for giving. This is a gentle man who has worked harder than probably all of us to get where he is....the hardships were many....and he is brilliant and loves the USA.

Reb...I would never assert that many do not give...but the assertion was made that "people of faith need to put their money where their values are. Demonstrate your faith in a concrete manner."

What does that have to do with Ben Carson? Who has done that. Also, Kat I get has no idea who I am.....or what I do or have done. He just throws out mud and sees if it will stick. Does he really know any folks of faith here that do not do what he suggests?
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""Funny, most people do that..."

Most people do that? How are you going to prove that assertion??"
let me say ... you are right WeasleSpit. I posted incorrectly...



I meant to say "***many*** people do that"...

But I guess that would also be subjective...
"bet it is smaller than any of the deeds done by those of faith that go here."I could "blame" MexicoMaria's post... (just kidding MM) in getting me thinking of faith based folks giving, though I know that there are people that give just to be kind...
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2015 2:34:58 PM

"I would like to hear weasel and Kat's definition of "concrete"...bet it is smaller than any of the deeds done by those of faith that go here."

Perhaps you should start a new thread? ;)
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2015 2:34:06 PM

"Funny, most people do that..."

Most people do that? How are you going to prove that assertion?
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2015 2:33:14 PM

"Like who? You do not know the folks here weasel, even if we know you..."

Which is why I said "I think" - not "I know". Don't confuse me for A1, or some of your fellow die-hard con buddies who think they know all about the other person. Especially those that make false allegations regarding different screen names....

Hit close to the mark yet, or are you still unaware of your own hypocrisy?

"Start a topic, if you like on; "who puts their money where?""

Why? I wasn't the one the brought the point up... You seemed keenly interested and asked the question, so why don't you direct your question back at yourself?
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2015 12:30:43 PM

"I encourage folks to put their money where their values are. Demonstrate your faith in a concrete manner"

Funny, most people do that... Ben Carson does


of course I believe some of his work as a surgeon was done without fee's...

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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2015 12:27:14 PM

LOL, I donate blood, but usually only every 56 days or when I cut myself on a project. I also run two blood drives every school year.

While, I appreciate their service and sacrifice for their country, the volunteer armed forces are being paid for their service, albeit meagerly.

We should probably bring THAT up in the Food Stamps thread.

[Edited by: teacher_tim at 2/24/2015 12:28:10 PM EST]
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That is a good idea time....or how about their blood....that would be all the soldiers here.

Very small to say.............""I encourage folks to put their money where their values are. Demonstrate your faith in a concrete manner."

I would like to hear weasel and Kat's definition of "concrete"...bet it is smaller than any of the deeds done by those of faith that go here.
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2015 12:04:00 PM

Or their time, if they volunteer rather than just write a check.

RNorm and I might be hard to beat that way, lol.
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2015 11:47:26 AM

Like who? You do not know the folks here weasel, even if we know you...

This little site is filled with very wonderful, generous folks. You just have a narrow vision field.

Start a topic, if you like on; "who puts their money where?"
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"Why would you mention that, do you think there is someone here who does not do that?"

I think there are many here who don't do this... Is that a surprise to you?
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2015 11:21:32 AM

"I encourage folks to put their money where their values are. Demonstrate your faith in a concrete manner."

Why would you mention that, do you think there is someone here who does not do that?

Share with us how you are doing that, Kat....I am interested.
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2015 10:33:33 AM

"I encourage folks to put their money where their values are. Demonstrate your faith in a concrete manner."

I can't disagree with that. Good point.
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"Somewhere along the way, I heard Scott Walker criticized for not having a college degree in these threads."

Which is not a legitimate criticism - as are most partisan criticism. Very few legitimate criticism are referenced these days - it is all hyperbole and conjecture.
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2015 10:31:28 AM

"LOL, so why are you here WeasleSpit???

... wasting time???LOL"

I didn't realize posting here against Carson was my following Carson? Interesting theory you got working there...
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2015 11:52:45 PM

"Anybody following Carson or donating already is wasting his/her time and/or money. "

I encourage folks to put their money where their values are. Demonstrate your faith in a concrete manner.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2015 9:25:59 PM

Oh, EZ, you obviously are over simplifying it.



The "problem" with him is he's conservative...


LOL


[Edited by: reb4 at 2/23/2015 9:26:25 PM EST]
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Somewhere along the way, I heard Scott Walker criticized for not having a college degree in these threads. If that is the criteria for a presidential candidate, Ben Carson should be receiving most votes as he is easily the most educated of any of the prospective candidates, red or blue.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2015 7:22:30 PM

"Anybody following Carson or donating already is wasting his/her time and/or money."



LOL, so why are you here WeasleSpit???

... wasting time???


LOL



[Edited by: reb4 at 2/23/2015 7:23:04 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2015 4:25:21 PM

"I was thinking the exact same thing about Hillary, weaselspit."

Good, then at least we agree on that point! ;)

I'm kinda interested to hear some more from Jeb Bush, actually...

[Edited by: Weaslespit at 2/23/2015 4:25:57 PM EST]
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If he runs, I'll be working for him.

I was thinking the exact same thing about Hillary, weaselspit.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2015 8:16:43 AM

Like I said before, there are a lot of people that would have far better experience than our current President..."

But not the subject of this thread.... So if Obama is as bad as some here like to think (and he has certainly made his share of mistakes) - yikes.

Anybody following Carson or donating already is wasting his/her time and/or money.
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Message Posted: Feb 23, 2015 7:57:54 AM

btc1 "he" I presume is BO?There was likely a reason it was excluded from the link I provided btc1.


The Anneburg project was a total failure.... or do you have some different facts?


Some people are not aware of all the dealings Obama had ... past dealings with ACORN (lead leadership training), and Ayers...


Like I said before, there are a lot of people that would have far better experience than our current President...

Thanks for prooving my point btc1...
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He was an educator and Chairman of the Board of the Annenberg Project.

I realize that is not something you all would think much of. Education and all....
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