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mexicomaria

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Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 11:47:47 PM

At long last...a man that does not care to be politically correct, he cares to be frank. Dr Ben Carson speaks at Prayer Brkft
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Aug 21, 2014 3:20:08 AM

Atheists forgetting the meaning of freedom

8-19-14

opinion

"As a nation, we must avoid the paralysis of hypersensitivity, which will allow us to get nothing done because virtually everything offends someone. We need to distribute “big boy” pants widely to help the whiners learn to focus their energy in a productive way. We must also go back and read the Constitution, including the First Amendment, which guarantees freedom of religion. It says nothing about freedom from religion and, in fact, if you go back and look at the context and the lives of those involved in the crafting of our founding documents, it is quite apparent that they strongly believed in allowing their faith to guide their lives. This has nothing to do with imposing one’s beliefs on someone else."

[Edited by: mweyant at 8/21/2014 3:20:47 AM EST]
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Aug 20, 2014 4:57:46 AM

Ben Carson Challenges Al Sharpton to Debate

8-18-14

“I had an opportunity to speak with Rev. Sharpton a couple months ago at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner,” Mr. Carson explained. “I said, ‘We want the same kinds of things, but we have very different approaches to achieving them. What do you think about a public debate to talk about the various ways that we can get this done?’ “

I believe Carson wants everyone at the table to discuss the future--all political leanings, that is.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 5:13:29 PM

"While I'm not favoring Dr. Carson, one shouldn't dismiss him because his views are different than yours."

This statement tells me you missed my point. I dismiss anybody who says one thing but then does something else. He said he follows data, yet is clearly shown to reject data when it isn't in line with his personal beliefs/opinions.

My opinion on evolution (not creation, which you have changed the subject to) is moot with regards to this discussion.
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 4:12:28 PM

Weasel, >>Unfortunately for him the media seemed to ignore him, so I don't know much about his views. From the little I have seen though I will listen if he runs again.<<

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It's refreshing to see an open mind as Gov. Johnson seems to be the best qualified of the people who have thrown or appear to be gettting ready to throw their hats into the ring.

While I'm not favoring Dr. Carson, one shouldn't dismiss him because his views are different than yours. Your statement of >>Yet despite all of the evidence and empirical data supporting the theory of evolution, he doesn't buy it because it conflicts with his 'opinion';<< is still an opinion. There's nothing wrong with that. All of us have to eventually come up with an opinion on subject matter that is beyond our realm or continue to switch to the then most current or popular view.

Perhaps a better perspective is, your belief begins at the moment AFTER creation and continues to today. Dr. Carson's view begins BEFORE creation and everything that happens (including the 'Big Bang') has been planned.

Personally. I admire Dr. Carson for voicing his opinion against popular opinion. (It's one of the traits I believe that separate leaders from followers.) I see no reason anyone should dismiss him as a Presidential Candidate for doing so but should actually consider him a potential candidate for standing up for what he believes to be true. I would much rather have a President who believes in God than a President who believes they have to answer to no one.

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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 3:26:20 PM

"Unfortunately, Obama only hires "experts" who campaigned for him or gave large contributions. It explains much of his blundering about."

Just his Ambassadors... ;)
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 3:24:45 PM

Unfortunately, Obama only hires "experts" who campaigned for him or gave large contributions. It explains much of his blundering about.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 2:09:11 PM

"You must have been not paying attention when Gary Johnson was marginalized by BOTH the Republican and Democrat Parties."

He ran as a Libertarian after withdrawing as a Republican. Unfortunately for him the media seemed to ignore him, so I don't know much about his views. From the little I have seen though I will listen if he runs again.

"To my knowledge, he didn't say that at all."

This is what he stated;

"I believe it is a very good idea for physicians, scientists, engineers, and others trained to make decisions based on facts and empirical data to get involved in the political arena and help guide our country."

Yet despite all of the evidence and empirical data supporting the theory of evolution, he doesn't buy it because it conflicts with his 'opinion';

"I don’t believe in evolution .... I simply don’t have enough faith to believe that something as complex as our ability to rationalize, think, and plan, and have a moral sense of what’s right and wrong, just appeared.”

Like I said, he says all of the right things like any politician but doesn't follow what he says.

"Compare this to the POTUS who had ZERO business experience but constantly tells us what is best for all of us."

NO President is an expert in every aspect of running a country. That is why they have experts who advise them on such things...
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 11:37:20 AM

Weasel, >> I want the GOP to offer candidates that I can actually take serious. Romney, Santorum and Cain were the only 3 serious candidates last election (until Cain self-destructed over personal issues and Santorum pulled the plug leaving the '08 re-tread whom nobody on the Right wanted 4 years earlier as the only guy left standing).<<

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You must have been not paying attention when Gary Johnson was marginalized by BOTH the Republican and Democrat Parties. He was a business executive who had started his company from scratch and built it into a multi million business, and became a Republican Governor in very Democrat State (New Mexico). He also infuriated Republicans because he exposed his corrupt party members. He was also one of two Republican candidates espousing the legalization of marijuana and the doing away with the IRS. (In just a little over two years, take a look at what is going on in this country today. Many States are now considering legalizing marijuana and the IRS is being exposed as the corrupt organization it was and continues to be.)

As far as Romney being a serious candidate, he lost the election when he didn't let Ron Paul on the podium during the Republican Convention.

Gov Johnson is currently suing the Presidential Debate Commission for being excluded in the Presidential Debates. While I don't have any idea how that will work out, the man fights for what is right, has leadership talent, and is not afraid to shake things up. Something we are in dire need of today.

As of today I see no other prospect coming close with exception of Herman Cain.

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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 11:14:04 AM

Weasel, >>So apparently he only follows empirical data when it agrees with his POV? Yikes.<<
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To my knowledge, he didn't say that at all. Getting 'involved' is a call to others to HELP our country. Compare this to the POTUS who had ZERO business experience but constantly tells us what is best for all of us.

Gigantic difference.
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Message Posted: Aug 19, 2014 10:55:38 AM

"Weasley keep up..ben Carson retired a long time ago so I am NOT taking him away from anyone anyone.perhaps he retired to run for president."

Interesting - I didn't realize that once retired that he was useless in his profession as a mentor/teacher to those currently wielding the scalpel? I also don't consider March of 2013 to be a 'long time ago', especially when he stated that he was quitting while being 'at the top of his game'.

And were you trying to be condescending in your first comment (along with your intentional mis-use of my screen name in)? Seems awfully 'fishy' given your sanctimonious posts regarding the attacking of other posters - specifically females ;)

Regarding the man's positions, I find his disbelief in evolution especially troubling given his statement "I believe it is a very good idea for physicians, scientists, engineers, and others trained to make decisions based on facts and empirical data to get involved in the political arena and help guide our country".

So apparently he only follows empirical data when it agrees with his POV? Yikes.

He is a smart man, there is no doubting that, but a Presidential candidate? God, I hope not. I want the GOP to offer candidates that I can actually take serious. Romney, Santorum and Cain were the only 3 serious candidates last election (until Cain self-destructed over personal issues and Santorum pulled the plug leaving the '08 re-tread whom nobody on the Right wanted 4 years earlier as the only guy left standing).
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Message Posted: Aug 18, 2014 10:52:37 AM

I'm sure Dr. Carson would consult on a case, if needed, but he's been retired for a while.

Having spoken with him many times, and having heard him speak to students, as well as at the funeral of a mutual friend, who was a Carson Scholar before her untimely passing, I think he would make an excellent President. He lacks the bombastic speaking ability common to many successful politicians, but he quietly makes a lot of sense with his opinions and observations.
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Aug 16, 2014 12:21:26 PM

Weasley keep up..ben Carson retired a long time ago so I am NOT taking him away from anyone anyone.perhaps he retired to run for president.
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Aug 16, 2014 12:14:10 PM

A Doctor in the Oval Office?

excerpt from US News and World Report article

8-15-14
What are some steps that individuals can follow to help achieve a stronger society?

"One of the big things I encourage people to do is read. If people spent half an hour a day reading, in a year’s time they would be different people. The other thing is talk. We have a tendency to clam up because we don’t want anybody to be offended. We need to get out of that mentality. Instead of being politically correct in everything we say and trying to censor everything we say, we need to be learning how to talk without taking offense, learning to respect what other people have to say, and be able to take a stand from our position."

[Edited by: mweyant at 8/16/2014 12:15:16 PM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Aug 4, 2014 8:48:25 AM

"GTH I actually believe that Ben Carson has a brain of a genius..."

Albert Einstein, despite his obvious disqualification, would also have been a poor choice for the Oval Office.

Why would you want to take him away from the people who are directly benefitting from his obvious medical talents? ;)
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Aug 4, 2014 8:36:32 AM

Thanks, gas, for the updates.

Dr. Carson has a great life experience. He has perhaps the most compelling childhood of any candidates I have heard of.
A physician and surgeon, while having a specialty, also serves as the "Chief Operating Officer" of the medical team that he is leading.

Jd, nice list. Obama had very little experience in some areas (like leadership) but obviously had help rounding up his "team"........
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Aug 4, 2014 8:14:04 AM

mw, by all means - please do, - and btw - I personally believe that Frank Marshall is obama's father.
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Aug 4, 2014 6:03:11 AM

jdhelm, may I please add Valerie Jarrett to your list?

Obama's Strange Dependence on Valerie Jarrett from 2012

and

Valerie Jarrett’s Father-in-Law Was a Communist – Worked With Obama Mentor Frank Marshall Davis

blog with researchable facts from 2011

and

New York Times profile scrubs Valerie Jarrett's radical ties

from 2013
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Aug 3, 2014 5:56:59 PM

well - consider who obama surrounded himself with:

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Tim Geithner - Tax cheat

Kathleen Sebelius - Tax cheat

Tom Dascle - Tax cheat

Kevin Jennings - Safe School Czar - cofounder and executive director of the Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network (GLSEN), told attendees at a GLSEN conference over a decade ago that he looked forward to the day when promoting homosexuality in schools will be seen in a positive light. (See the remarks here) Also BROKE LAW, as a teacher by NOT notifying authorities of a sexual relationship between one of his male students, and an adult male.

Van Jones - Green Jobs Czar - Admitted racist, avowed communist

John Holdren - Science Czar - Supports FORCED Sterylization, and the drugging of drinking water

Cass Sunstein - Regulatory Czar - Wants to ban hunting, ban guns, give animals lawyers, and the right to sue. Monitor, and control internet blogging etc.

Mark Lloyd - FCC Diversity Czar - Hugo Chavez admirer, and racist who wants qualified whites to step down to make room for minorities and gays, AND also wants to silence free speech (opposing views) conservative radio, by implementing a 100% tax on talk radio operating costs..

Harold Koh - State Dept Legal Advisor - Says "Sharia Law could apply to disputes in US courts"

Adolfo Carrion - Urban Czar - Pocketed thousands of dollars in campaign cash from city developers whose projects he approved or funded with taxpayers' money.

Michelle Obama - Oversaw patient dumping scheme for profit, as the vice president Of University of Chicago Hospital, where she also coincidently went from 100K to over 300K promotion upon Barack Obama becoming state senator.

Tony Rezko - Chicago Slum lord, Convicted on 16 counts of corruption

Jeremiah Wright - Obama spiritual mentor 20 years, who promoted anti-government, anti-white sentiment.

ACORN - Corrupt federally funded organization, who Obama gave 800K to, and who Obama lawyered for, and benefitted from politically. Fraudulant voter registration drives. Recently exposed advising a pimp , and prostituute on how to bring in minors from other countries for purposes of prostitution, how to get illegal tax breaks, and how to stash away profits.

William Ayers - Weather Underground domestic terrorist who Obama partnered with (Chicago Annenberg Challenge) (Woods Fund) on radical left projects with the intent of indocrtinating youth.Obama also launched his bid for Chicago senate from Ayers home.
=-I forgot the source for the types like reggie, earl and marine green and such - here it is

[Edited by: jdhelm at 8/3/2014 5:58:31 PM EST]
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gas_too_high
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Message Posted: Aug 3, 2014 5:43:39 PM

I75at7AM, Warren Harding held several elective offices, including US Senator from Ohio, before being elected President. (BTW, historians are revising his assessment to give him higher marks, including recovering the country from the postwar economic depression that Woodrow Wilson left him with).

Gerald Ford was House minority leader, not just a Congressman (but also the only President never to run on a Presidential ticket).

Dwight Eisenhower was the most recent of several Presidents who were generals (the first was George Washington). But being a general of any rank invariably entails some degree of political experience. And Eisenhower served at the highest level.

We have had some inexperienced men become President. The most prominent was a one-term Congressman, a failed Senate candidate, a backwoods lawyer who never finished high school -- Abraham Lincoln -- who served during our greatest crisis and was perhaps our greatest President. Does Ben Carson have the same natural qualities bordering on genius that Lincoln had?

GTH
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daylily2009
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Message Posted: Aug 3, 2014 3:23:30 PM

A man that can and will put good of country first !!
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Aug 3, 2014 1:00:33 AM

Let's see, Maria, Sen. Truman, Sen. Kennedy, Sen. Johnson, Sen. Nixon, Gov. Carter, Gov. Reagan, Sen. (CIA Chief) Bush, Gov. Clinton, Gov. G.W. Bush, Sen. 0bama.....

That left General Eisenhower and Rep. Ford as the only modern era Presidents who were not Senators or Governors.

Going back before FDR, I am less sure of their backgrounds without looking it up. Harding was a newspaper publisher (Marion Ohio) (as was his opponent James Cox of Dayton).
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2014 10:29:40 PM

GTH I actually believe that Ben Carson has a brain of a genius...he can think on him feet in very stressful situations. Like any President he puts people of a particular knowledge around him....the best he can find. This is not a man who is not a quick study or shrinks from hard choices....

He can not be bought, and he has only an honest past. He has risen above all obstacles.

Now we have quite a history of men being President who were not senators first...or governors...etc.
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2014 8:49:55 PM

You know, there's a thought, GTH. In Maryland we have currently 2 uber-liberal senators who answer only to our President and who never waver in their steadfast love and devotion to him. Carson is Extremely(capital E) popular in Maryland, particularly since his stellar career blossomed at Johns Hopkins. Maybe he could initially take over one of the senate seats!!!

Of one thing I am positive . . . Carson needs no one to tell him what to do. The man is brilliant.
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2014 8:42:56 PM

IF Ben Carson were serous about running for President, he first would be running for Senate or some other high elective office, to shore up his lack of political officeholding experience.

GTH
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Message Posted: Aug 2, 2014 5:55:01 AM

Ben Carson takes major step toward presidential campaign

8-1-14

"He said the outcome of the 2014 elections in which Republicans are trying to seize control of the Senate would be a major factor, and that his new PAC would try to support candidates with similar viewpoints as his.

“Obviously we are very interested in what happens in November,” he said. “And if the people also continue to show strong desire for me to run, obviously that would be an important factor too.”

“In the meantime, we will focus our attention on helping those candidates who understand the change we need in our nation, and how to lead toward the healing our of nation,” he said."
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Message Posted: Aug 1, 2014 11:27:29 AM

Dr. Ben Carson is my pick to be in next administration --from top to bottom he will be an honourable worker!! (God fearing man)

[Edited by: daylily2009 at 8/1/2014 11:28:12 AM EST]
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Aug 1, 2014 7:53:11 AM

Ben Carson: Americans Should Prepare to Defend Against Aggressive Government

7-31-14

"Americans should be prepared to defend themselves against an "overly aggressive government," and the Constitution's Second Amendment recognizes their right to do this very thing. So says pediatric neurosurgeon, best-selling author, conservative advocate and nationally known speaker Dr. Ben Carson, who is no stranger to standing up for liberty.

During a recent summit, Carson called the right to bear arms "vitally important" and said any efforts to confiscate weapons are efforts that should never be allowed in America. Many who agree with Carson on this and other issues are hoping he will make a direct foray into politics."
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Message Posted: Jul 24, 2014 8:44:13 AM

"Perhaps we are in agreement that Ben Carson would not be a good Presidential candidate. But I suspect you have problems with his views."

We do agree that Dr. Carson is not a good Presidential candidate for the very reasons you mentioned.

If this were his only view, I would have no problem with it;

"Rising political star Ben Carson opened Friday night's Western Conservative Summit in Denver by saying that "Republicans, Democrats, people of faith and people of common sense" must start working together."

"And we all know what a disaster President Obama is turning into, even if you agree with his stance."

I don't agree with his stance 'on all issues'. I never agree 100% with 'any' President that is elected...

[Edited by: Weaslespit at 7/24/2014 8:45:21 AM EST]
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gas_too_high
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2014 9:52:55 PM

My bad. Obama is not doing nothing.

He's out fundraising.

GTH
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2014 9:34:11 PM

weaselspit: "Wow, I find myself in agreement with GTH for once... Interesting."

Perhaps we are in agreement that Ben Carson would not be a good Presidential candidate. But I suspect you have problems with his views.

I will say he has had executive experience, having been a division director at Johns Hopkins and a board member of several corporations. That's more experience than our incumbent President had before being elected.

And we all know what a disaster President Obama is turning into, even if you agree with his stance. In the current crises on our southern border, in Ukraine with a downed airliner, and in Gaza, Obama does -- nothing (other than talk).

GTH
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2014 9:35:38 AM

"We are only as strong as out weakest link, and right now we have no credibility, no honesty, no working together, spying on American citizens, lying to American Citizens, laying the ground work for American to be over run with folks who will vote only one way. We can't feed them or house them but they can vote. We need a leader who can plan on his feet, who is super bright, articulate, and honest. Everyone is looking right now for something they might drag him down over.

Herman Cain was never found in a court to be guilty of infidelity but if one gets it said enough then one must be guilty.

Ben Carson is on of the few men I believe can with stand the horror of lies that will be coming his way.......and for goodness sake, Ben, watch out for the video.
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2014 8:38:41 AM

I admire the way GTH contributes to the conversation without resorting to ridicule and mockery.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Jul 23, 2014 8:34:39 AM

Wow, I find myself in agreement with GTH for once... Interesting.
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Message Posted: Jul 22, 2014 8:57:59 PM

Dr. Carson has many good things to say that need to be said. He is an accomplished surgeon, credited with the first successful separation of twins conjoined at the head. And I have no doubt that he is a man of good character. But he has never held elective office or even run for office, so far as I know.

That is important, because running for President is no place to learn how to be a political candidate. A political campaign brings with it all kinds of pressures, that a candidate needs to learn how to deal with and adjust to, what things he can (and must) compromise on, and what he must stand fast on, when to speak his mind, and when not to. Mistakes in all those areas and others are common, and can fell candidates at any level. Making new candidate mistakes at the Presidential level, where much rides on the outcome, is uncalled for.

And running for President 9espeially as a Republican, and even more so as black Republican) guarantees that your character and background will be intensely and publicly scrutinized. Few of us can withstand that. Just ask Herman Cain, felled in the last election cycle by infidelity. (But had he survived that, Cain would have fallen to gaffes and gaps in his knowledge and preparedness).

Ben Carson is a good man, and has the right views, but a viable Presidential candidate needs more. He needs experience running for and holding elective office. Dr. Carson simply doesn't have that experience.

GTH

[Edited by: gas_too_high at 7/22/2014 8:58:46 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jul 22, 2014 11:58:34 AM

""Rising political star Ben Carson opened Friday night's Western Conservative Summit in Denver by saying that "Republicans, Democrats, people of faith and people of common sense" must start working together."

In other news...
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7-18-14

"Rising political star Ben Carson opened Friday night's Western Conservative Summit in Denver by saying that "Republicans, Democrats, people of faith and people of common sense" must start working together.

The summit, held at the Hyatt Regency and Colorado Convention Center, culminates Sunday with a straw poll to gauge attendees' early choices for a 2016 presidential nominee."

He did indeed win that straw poll.

Ben Carson calls on conservatives to revive country

[Edited by: mweyant at 7/22/2014 6:59:02 AM EST]
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Jul 21, 2014 11:18:25 AM

"You might then get what actually occurred..."

It occurs to me that your understanding of the ruling is slightly skewed, especially given you comments in the Hobby Lobby thread - so I take your comment with a grain of salt.

My comment, FYI, goes back much further than the HL case... So you might want to read-up on Citizens United, etc.

[Edited by: Weaslespit at 7/21/2014 11:19:12 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Jul 21, 2014 9:29:48 AM

I think, weasle, it would actually benefit you to read the actually decision on the Supreme Court web site...

You might then get what actually occurred...

The decision is an interesting read...

Now, back to Dr. Ben Carson.

[Edited by: mexicomaria at 7/21/2014 9:30:30 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Jul 21, 2014 9:11:23 AM

"Oh... most people do not want to "change" the constitution, just the meaning of the words... thats all..."

Like the redefining of corporations as people such that they are suddenly protected by the Constitution ;)

SMH

[Edited by: Weaslespit at 7/21/2014 9:11:37 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Jul 19, 2014 7:24:45 PM

Oh... most people do not want to "change" the constitution, just the meaning of the words... thats all...




SMH...


[Edited by: reb4 at 7/19/2014 7:24:54 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jul 19, 2014 3:43:24 PM

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>>Altering the Constitution would never be my compromise of choice.<<

and

>>It may hurt....but leave the Constitution alone.<<

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I hope my stance is not being misinterpreted as being against change. As far as the US Constitution goes, I stand firm in abiding to it even though I may not like certain parts of it. Unlike the this and some other past administration's policies of getting away with as mush as possible.

I am vehemently against is both ignoring it or MISinterpreting the Constitution to suit a person's or group's agenda. Our Constitution has two means where if enough people want change, it can be done. The 'Progressives' were able to get their deceptive agenda in place by following the law. We can do the same but we must be forthright and clear in our goal, personal freedom and equality of justice for ALL citizens.

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Message Posted: Jul 19, 2014 5:32:47 AM

Altering the Constitution would never be my compromise of choice. :)
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Message Posted: Jul 19, 2014 1:00:23 AM

I agree, there are just some things that we should never meet in the middle on....or compromise on.... do not mess with the Constitution...

It may hurt....but leave the Constitution alone.
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Jul 18, 2014 11:23:01 AM

mweyant, >>...I think Carson or someone like him would attempt to bring unpopular conversations to the table, work through them, and then say goodbye to them with a course of action in place to address them, instead of sweeping them under the table. I don’t think he is a “my way or the highway” type of individual – in my opinion, that is not working lately, and much to our great country's detriment. <<
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I certainly see your point of view but we've been faced with 'THEIR WAY OR THE HIGHWAY' for many decades. It is how we got into this mess. 'Progressives,' be they Democrat or Republican, have been putting forth a very deceptive agenda and an unsuspecting public has grown to accept compromise as a means to 'solving' problems concerning freedom.

These compromises have undermined our freedoms for over a century. The 'Progressive Movement' at first did things correctly by changing the Constitution to allow the direct taxation of citizens. Consequently, each citizen immediately lost their rights that were guaranteed by the Fourth, Fifth and, most important, Ninth Amendments.

Another change was the direct election of Senators which greatly reduced States rights that are guaranteed by Tenth Amendment and put the entire Congress in the hands of the public. Our Founding Fathers knew we, for the most part, were NOT wise stewards of our freedoms and would approve of legislation that would eventually lessen our freedoms through Governmental ENFORCEMENT of these new laws.

I sincerely believe the 'Progressives' were aware of this human fault and took advantage of this to gain power. Almost everyone would accept compromise to end the debate but ANY compromise merely would slow the eventual loss of our liberties. It is for this reason that I am against any compromise when it comes to debate about personal liberty.

I do agree with you about Dr. Carson being an exceptional person and would make an excellent President were he to have deal with people who were both honourable and limited their legislative actions to the confines of our Constitution.

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mweyant
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2014 11:44:51 PM

CARSON: Why the greater good sometimes necessitates compromise

from 5-27-14

It is difficult for me to stay out of Ben Carson conversations!

MahopacJack, I appreciated reading your take on Carson's willingness to compromise. To me it is unconscionable that the US Constitution, and the interpretation of it, is being challenged on so many fronts.

My take is that it is becoming more likely to see stalemate after stalemate with important issues of the day--for example, all these young people coming to this country, stuck in some sort of purgatory, and the collective reluctance to make decisions--plenty of blame to go around everywhere . . . ; all this stubborn hesitance to call out things that are wrong(I can’t help but wonder that if in 2016 before the election, we news lovers will still be held hostage to reading about further investigation into Lois Lerner’s missing emails, and, oh, but wait, some of them were printed out, etc., ad infinitum). I think Carson or someone like him would attempt to bring unpopular conversations to the table, work through them, and then say goodbye to them with a course of action in place to address them, instead of sweeping them under the table. I don’t think he is a “my way or the highway” type of individual – in my opinion, that is not working lately, and much to our great country's detriment.

Yesterday I was included in an email that invites people to a RunBenRun meeting in northern VA. Hmmm . . .
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2014 11:03:25 PM

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An excellent choice Surgeon General.

I'm reluctant to get on the band wagon for an Executive position as it appears to me he would tend to compromise with the very people who blatantly violate the US Constitution. Compromise would only serve to further entrench the corrupt politicians.

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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2014 10:39:30 AM

"Would be a good choice for vp from what i've seen."

Might be a good choice for a Doctor, from what I've seen.
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citizen1
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2014 10:30:10 AM

Probably not well known enough to win the nomination. Would be a good choice for vp from what i've seen.
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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2014 9:18:19 AM

You should have paid more attention in Sunday School.

I Samuel 16:

Context

Samuel Anoints David as King
…12 So he sent and brought him in. Now he was ruddy, with beautiful eyes and a handsome appearance. And the LORD said, "Arise, anoint him; for this is he." 13Then Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed him in the midst of his brothers; and the Spirit of the LORD came mightily upon David from that day forward. And Samuel arose and went to Ramah.

Romans Chapter 13:

Obey Those in Authority

13 All of you must be willing to obey completely those who rule over you. There are no authorities except the ones God has chosen. Those who now rule have been chosen by God. 2 So when you oppose the authorities, you are opposing those whom God has appointed. Those who do that will be judged.

3 If you do what is right, you won’t need to be afraid of your rulers. But watch out if you do what is wrong! You don’t want to be afraid of those in authority, do you? Then do what is right. The one in authority will praise you. 4 He serves God and will do you good. But if you do wrong, watch out! The ruler doesn’t carry a sword for no reason at all. He serves God. And God is carrying out his anger through him. The ruler punishes anyone who does wrong.

5 You must obey the authorities. Then you will not be punished. You must also obey them because you know it is right.

6 That’s also why you pay taxes. The authorities serve God. Ruling takes up all their time. 7 Give to everyone what you owe. Do you owe taxes? Then pay them. Do you owe anything else to the government? Then pay it. Do you owe respect? Then give it. Do you owe honor? Then show it.
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Weaslespit
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Message Posted: Jul 17, 2014 9:09:59 AM

"It must be news to Weasle that God does communicate with His people...if you haven't heard from Him, you ain't in His family."

I can honestly say I have never heard Him get involved with politics.

If you 'think' you have, you might want to verify the source was actually Him and not The Other...
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