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MiddletownMarty Champion Author Connecticut Posts:17,548 Points:269,245 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Feb 13, 2013 5:31:41 PM Ignore MiddletownMarty Report Abuse GOP 'Savior' Rubio Votes No on Violence Against Women Act The U.S. Senate voted overwhelmingly to pass legislation reauthorizing the Violence Against Women Act on Tuesday, despite the efforts of a group of Republican men who tried to block it. Florida senator Marco Rubio led a group of 22 male Republicans who voted against the bill, which established a system for helping women in danger from domestic violence. No women or Democrats opposed the bill and it passed 78-22. That's right, the guy that Time magazine hailed this week as the "GOP Savior" voted against helping protect women from violence. In fact, Rubio was also one of eight Republican senators who last week voted against moving to debate on the revived legislation. One of the most contentious issues of the bill is that the updated version grants additional protections to immigrants which would encourage undocumented women to report assaults done to them. Another issue some of the gang of 22 are hiding behind is that they object to the updated VAWA extending protections to LGBT and Native Americans. The spending and grant provisions of the bill may have had something to do with the no votes, as well. The Senate bill also prohibits discrimination against LGBT victims in grant programs to help victims, and would let illegal immigrants stay in the country to receive help if they are victims of domestic violence or rape. VAWA provides grants to victims of domestic violence in order to encourage victims to leave their abusive situations. Some feel they can’t get away from their abusers because they might not have another form of family income, so the grants can provide housing assistance and cellphones for victims. Under this reauthorization bill, these programs would continue for another five years. It seems that those who voted "no" feel some women are more deserving of help than others. Conservatives do love their minority tokens. [Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 2/13/2013 5:32:59 PM EST]

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GOP 'Savior' Rubio Votes No on Violence Against Women Act

The U.S. Senate voted overwhelmingly to pass legislation reauthorizing the Violence Against Women Act on Tuesday, despite the efforts of a group of Republican men who tried to block it.

Florida senator Marco Rubio led a group of 22 male Republicans who voted against the bill, which established a system for helping women in danger from domestic violence. No women or Democrats opposed the bill and it passed 78-22. That's right, the guy that Time magazine hailed this week as the "GOP Savior" voted against helping protect women from violence.

In fact, Rubio was also one of eight Republican senators who last week voted against moving to debate on the revived legislation.

One of the most contentious issues of the bill is that the updated version grants additional protections to immigrants which would encourage undocumented women to report assaults done to them.

Another issue some of the gang of 22 are hiding behind is that they object to the updated VAWA extending protections to LGBT and Native Americans.

The spending and grant provisions of the bill may have had something to do with the no votes, as well.

The Senate bill also prohibits discrimination against LGBT victims in grant programs to help victims, and would let illegal immigrants stay in the country to receive help if they are victims of domestic violence or rape.

VAWA provides grants to victims of domestic violence in order to encourage victims to leave their abusive situations. Some feel they can’t get away from their abusers because they might not have another form of family income, so the grants can provide housing assistance and cellphones for victims. Under this reauthorization bill, these programs would continue for another five years.

It seems that those who voted "no" feel some women are more deserving of help than others.

Conservatives do love their minority tokens.

[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 2/13/2013 5:32:59 PM EST]

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gocatgo Champion Author South Carolina Posts:15,647 Points:2,529,580 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 11:45:58 AM Ignore gocatgo Report Abuse Afs, this is the same "state level laws" that kept black voters from voting before the feds stepped in, thank you. As a resident of Ala. you should be very aware of that fact. Of course their are many that are quick to forget. nose, "dumb downed", the tears and bitterness of the Losers in the last election continue to flow, Lol. Ac-, "stupid character assassination against Rubio" thank goodness you never read anything like that against Obama from cons, Lol. Guitar, "50% of aborted babies are female". Cons are only concerned with fetuses and could care less about children after birth which is quite a mystery. We read so many tearful notes for the unborn that dry up quickly at birth when a poor child needs govt support. This makes most dems question con sincerity. As a con maybe you can explain the inconsistency. 101, "I was wondering how long it would take dems to start attacking Rubio"? I would say about as quick as it took cons to start doing the same to Obama. Naturally you may not have considered that point.
101Speedster Champion Author Ventura Posts:30,418 Points:2,716,670 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 10:08:18 AM Ignore 101Speedster Report Abuse I was wondering how long it would take the libs to start attacking Marco Rubio.
I75at7AM Champion Author Dayton Posts:66,519 Points:2,433,445 Joined:Feb 2006	Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 9:53:20 AM Ignore I75at7AM Report Abuse Guitar Man, what about the other 50%? And they must not be counting the abortions (and infanticide) in China.......
MiddletownMarty Champion Author Connecticut Posts:17,548 Points:269,245 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 9:47:30 AM Ignore MiddletownMarty Report Abuse "There was so much garbage in that bill that it watered down the initial intent." Such as?
AFSNCO Champion Author Montgomery Posts:14,725 Points:1,291,210 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 10:02:46 PM Ignore AFSNCO Report Abuse There was so much garbage in that bill that it watered down the initial intent. It is amazing what happens to a bill once it is introduced and everyone adds their little pork to it. The Democrats added a whole pig to this one so when the Republicans voted against it they can point to the original bill and yet not a single one will talk about all the little "extras" that have been added on.
reb4 Champion Author Chicago Posts:19,105 Points:1,822,065 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 6:06:47 PM Ignore reb4 Report Abuse ac-302, this link is to a "far left" leaning blog... fair and balanced is not going to happen their motives are quite clear... [Edited by: reb4 at 2/17/2013 6:07:14 PM EST]
Guitar_Man Champion Author Colorado Springs Posts:8,526 Points:126,430 Joined:Nov 2006	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 3:35:48 PM Ignore Guitar_Man Report Abuse Roughly 50% of aborted babies are female...why isn't THAT considered "violence against women?" (The worst kind of violence, actually.)
nstrdnvstr Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:36,854 Points:3,984,205 Joined:May 2001	Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 3:21:20 PM Ignore nstrdnvstr Report Abuse MiddletownMarty, I'm still waiting for an answer to my question: explain, if you can why "violence against women" is worse than violence against anybody else. "Maybe Rubio should post some workout pix." I believe that job belongs to Democrat Anthony Wiener!!!
AC-302 Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:26,582 Points:2,902,095 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 12:12:48 PM Ignore AC-302 Report Abuse This whole article that MM posted was an incredibly stupid character assassination of Rubio. It didn't even try to make sense of the objections, it just objected to the Sentors' objections. Here, now. The article stated: "One of the most contentious issues of the bill is that the updated version grants additional protections to immigrants which would encourage undocumented women to report assaults done to them. Another issue some of the gang of 22 are hiding behind is that they object to the updated VAWA extending protections to LGBT and Native Americans." --Well, should we be giving money to illegal aliens? Should they be here in the first place? And if the allegations aren't proven, then what stops illegals from "reporting" domestic violence that doesn't exist, then taking their anchor babies to their new FREE government provided accommodations? And with the LGBT, I think we look upon male/male relationships different than male/female relationships. Can't the man just move out? Does he need a government grant? Really? And is domestic violence an issue in the LGBT community? If I read what sgm and others have to say, these relationships are MORE harmonious than those of heterosexuals, or is this a dirty secret in the LGBT community?? Also, does BIA already have programs in place for native Americans?? If so, I can understand why Rubio and others might not want to spend money for double-coverage. And for non-indians living in and around the reservation, they might not want to be "covered" by BIA or tribal police forces, feeling they might not be getting treated fairly. And I can understand that, as well as the converse. So, no. I think this article is nothing more than a propaganda and character assassination piece. It's interesting that the propaganda department of the Democrat party chooses to beat down ANY Republican that DARES to speak up on anything, even when the Dems know they're right. Just exactly who is suppose to run from the Rep side, if the Dem propagandists keep beating them down? And how would you Dems feel if the Reps started doing the same thing? What I see here is some on the left laughing about this, when if it were written about Obama, or Clinton, or Panetta, or Geithner or Pelosi, they'd be up in arms and frothing at the mouth with fake outrage.
Cliffisher Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:26,017 Points:3,136,650 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 11:14:44 AM Ignore Cliffisher Report Abuse He was reaching for his 2016 water bottle and hit the wrong button?
AFSNCO Champion Author Montgomery Posts:14,725 Points:1,291,210 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 7:04:51 PM Ignore AFSNCO Report Abuse I asked that question before and nobody will ever answer it.
nstrdnvstr Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:36,854 Points:3,984,205 Joined:May 2001	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 7:02:17 PM Ignore nstrdnvstr Report Abuse Marty, explain, if you can why "violence against women" is worse than violence against anybody else.
noseatbelt Champion Author Indiana Posts:7,622 Points:205,230 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 5:48:28 PM Ignore noseatbelt Report Abuse Kind of like the dumb downed, uniformed crowd that elected obama, the king of sound bytes meant to appeal to the ignorant.
MiddletownMarty Champion Author Connecticut Posts:17,548 Points:269,245 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 5:30:55 PM Ignore MiddletownMarty Report Abuse Maybe Rubio should post some workout pix.
AFSNCO Champion Author Montgomery Posts:14,725 Points:1,291,210 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:55:22 AM Ignore AFSNCO Report Abuse Rubio is right...these are programs that should not be mandated by the federal government but should be handed down to the state level. What is so hard to understand? You liberals seem to think that the states should not even exist.
gocatgo Champion Author South Carolina Posts:15,647 Points:2,529,580 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 9:50:45 AM Ignore gocatgo Report Abuse And cons wonder why they have a problem with American women? Some people never learn.
Bell30012 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:3,927 Points:616,745 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 7:53:21 AM Ignore Bell30012 Report Abuse I love how people choose one vote on one issue to paint someone as anti-woman or whatever. If we carefully look at every bill that your great sainted one, your messiah, Barrack Obama has voted for or against we can really paint him as a heinous individual. This can be done with anyone who votes on anything in Washington DC. But if it plays well for your case, go for it.
SemiSteve Champion Author Tampa Posts:14,458 Points:253,830 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 7:31:22 AM Ignore SemiSteve Report Abuse "did you libs even read what jd posted, what Rubio said about his votes on the bill and its Amendments?" Yes. Here's the part I found very strange: "These funding decisions should be left up to the state-based coalitions that understand local needs best, but instead this new legislation would put those decisions into the hands of distant Washington bureaucrats in the Department of Justice. Additionally, I have concerns regarding the conferring of criminal jurisdiction to some Indian tribal governments over all persons in Indian country, including non-Indians." So he thinks federal handling of a national problem is wrong for whites but correct for Indians. The hypocrisy is glaring. I also noted the Republican talking-point "Washington bureaucrats". It is nothing but a euphemism playing up to the "I hate the government" theme. That theme is overly simplistic, meant to play to the dumbed-down uninformed crowd that is attracted to the GOP. I prefer logical solutions rather than sound-bytes meant to appeal to the ignorant. Most legislators agree this bill can do some good things. They don't require proof that it will work. They are ready to try it. Drink some more water, Marco. Maybe it will come to ya.
MiddletownMarty Champion Author Connecticut Posts:17,548 Points:269,245 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 6:42:03 AM Ignore MiddletownMarty Report Abuse "He's (Marco Rubio) the best communicator since Ronald Reagan." -- Karl Rove Stay thirsty, my friends (Dos Equis) [Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 2/14/2013 6:42:33 AM EST]
e_jeepin Champion Author Michigan Posts:3,814 Points:121,970 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 1:30:58 AM Ignore e_jeepin Report Abuse The rubber stamp re-authorization of this Bill was put forward with some new additions and ZERO repairs. For example, any immigrant woman married to a US citizen can simply declare "abuse" and jump into the express checkout to a residency status. Sure, probably only used 1000 times but who's counting right? Additionally, un-documented "visitors to the U.S." who assist police with information are eligible for another express-lane feature called a U-Visa. Sooooo, why are Democrats FOR fraud loopholes and unintended consequences? Why do they ignore the obvious? Why do they refuse to fix anything? So they can create a campaign commercial: "Republicans hate women" who cares about putting forth good legislation, vote Democrat, Republicans hate you (because we told you they do) Pathetic bunch these Democrats -- this thread is same old partisan games that we are all fed up with. [Edited by: e_jeepin at 2/14/2013 1:32:34 AM EST]
I75at7AM Champion Author Dayton Posts:66,519 Points:2,433,445 Joined:Feb 2006	Message Posted: Feb 13, 2013 11:47:05 PM Ignore I75at7AM Report Abuse Ummmmm...... did you libs even read what jd posted, what Rubio said about his votes on the bill and its Amendments? I respect a Senator who won't vote for a bad bill. From the OP: "The spending and grant provisions of the bill may have had something to do with the no votes, as well." Bingo, and boom. More like, thud. This topic is a FAIL. [Edited by: I75at7AM at 2/13/2013 11:47:52 PM EST]
SemiSteve Champion Author Tampa Posts:14,458 Points:253,830 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 13, 2013 10:58:11 PM Ignore SemiSteve Report Abuse Women have to be wondering what Rubio has against them. I hope the next challenger for Rubio's seat is a woman. [Edited by: SemiSteve at 2/13/2013 10:59:36 PM EST]
jayrad1957 Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:19,651 Points:1,597,490 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Feb 13, 2013 10:47:11 PM Ignore jayrad1957 Report Abuse Weren't these guys at onetime "compassionate conservatives"?
MiddletownMarty Champion Author Connecticut Posts:17,548 Points:269,245 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Feb 13, 2013 10:10:39 PM Ignore MiddletownMarty Report Abuse Great product placement ad for Poland Spring.
Michiganian Champion Author Michigan Posts:5,734 Points:830,825 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Feb 13, 2013 10:06:58 PM Ignore Michiganian Report Abuse We also know now that Rubio cannot hold his water. How stupid was that???
jdhelm Champion Author Iowa Posts:11,856 Points:1,198,890 Joined:Dec 2009	Message Posted: Feb 13, 2013 6:06:34 PM Ignore jdhelm Report Abuse and here's his comment back on Apr 26, 2013 after he voted no: - Apr 26 2012 We Should Reauthorize the Violence Against Women Act By Senator Marco Rubio Earlier today, I cast several votes regarding the Violence Against Women Act. On the Klobuchar amendment, I voted no because I believe the Cornyn amendment, which I voted for, is better policy. I supported the Cornyn amendment because it addresses rape kit backlogs, tightens mandatory federal sentences for crimes against women and children, imposes a 15-year minimum sentence in crimes where domestic violence leads to death and imposes a 10-year minimum sentence in rape convictions. In addition, it creates a database for investigating sex offenders, including DNA databases to assist law enforcement. And finally, it contains a Sense of Congress provision calling on Backpage.com to take down its adult services section, which has become a facilitator for sex trafficking. On the other hand, the Klobuchar amendment does not contain the sentencing provisions or the subpoena authorities found in the Cornyn Amendment, nor does it have the Backpage.com component. On the Hutchison amendment, I voted no because of strong concerns, particularly by the Florida Coalition Against Domestic Violence, about the new requirement that 30 percent of STOP grant funding be targeted to sexual assault would divert funding away from current domestic violence programs without evidence that the increased funding will result in enhanced prosecutions or additional cases reported. Finally, on the Leahy Substitute, I voted no because it would also divert funding away from domestic violence programs to sexual assault cases, without any evidence that the increased funding will result in enhanced prosecutions or additional cases reported. Furthermore, it would give the Justice Department greater power in determining how funds are used at the state level, taking decision-making out of the hands of the state-based coalitions on the ground who know best about how to serve their communities. Lastly, this legislation fails to address the duplication and overlap within VAWA programs and with non-VAWA programs operated by both the Department of Justice and Department of Health and Human Services. I support reauthorizing the current Violence Against Women Act as written and hope we can vote for it once it comes out of the House-Senate conference committee.
jdhelm Champion Author Iowa Posts:11,856 Points:1,198,890 Joined:Dec 2009	Message Posted: Feb 13, 2013 6:00:26 PM Ignore jdhelm Report Abuse Rubio's comment on this now that it's being brought up again on Feb 12, 2013 -- In a statement released Tuesday, Rubio explained that though he continues to support programs "to combat domestic violence, sexual assault, dating violence, and stalking," he did not support all elements of the expanded bill. Unfortunately, I could not support the final, entire legislation that contains new provisions that could have potentially adverse consequences. Specifically, this bill would mandate the diversion of a portion of funding from domestic violence programs to sexual assault programs, although there’s no evidence to suggest this shift will result in a greater number of convictions. These funding decisions should be left up to the state-based coalitions that understand local needs best, but instead this new legislation would put those decisions into the hands of distant Washington bureaucrats in the Department of Justice. Additionally, I have concerns regarding the conferring of criminal jurisdiction to some Indian tribal governments over all persons in Indian country, including non-Indians. The Senate passed reauthorization by a vote of 78 to 22. [Edited by: jdhelm at 2/13/2013 6:05:32 PM EST]
jdhelm Champion Author Iowa Posts:11,856 Points:1,198,890 Joined:Dec 2009	Message Posted: Feb 13, 2013 5:59:29 PM Ignore jdhelm Report Abuse Rubio's statement on this back on April 26, 2012, when he voted on it