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SemiSteve

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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2013 9:45:55 AM

"We may do different jobs, and wear different uniforms, and hold different views than the person beside us. But as Americans, we all share the same proud title:

We are citizens. It’s a word that doesn’t just describe our nationality or legal status. It describes the way we’re made. It describes what we believe. It captures the enduring idea that this country only works when we accept certain obligations to one another and to future generations; that our rights are wrapped up in the rights of others; and that well into our third century as a nation, it remains the task of us all, as citizens of these United States, to be the authors of the next great chapter in our American story."

WaPo: State of the Union 2013 text

We're emerging from the economic crisis. Let's tackle these: create jobs, cleaner energy, gun safety, national security, enhanced economic growth, limit spending, reform immigration, repair infrastructure, build new tech advancements, improve education and work together building a better future.

Right on.

Inspiring words that sound good to me.

What's your take?
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2013 11:32:32 PM

Sure, raise the minimum wage so the 1/6th of people earning minimum wage and supporting a family WON'T qualify for the tax credits that they already get in addition to paying no income tax AND increase unemployment amongst teens by 10% or more.

Great idea!
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2013 11:28:31 PM

The short form of the speech
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2013 9:56:55 PM

One would think that those groups which champion greater employment for minorities would be against raising the minimum wage IF THE RESULTS OF YOUR SLANTED STUDY WERE TRUE. But those groups consistently support raising the minimum wage. And I don't recall such great unemployment back when the adjusted min wage was $10 an hour.

I think your referenced study had an agenda: began with the results; and looked for the data to support them.

The best way to find out is to test the theory in the real world. Raise the min wage and let's see if unemployment rises.

Raising the min wage is the stealth stimulus.

Won't cost us taxpayers a dime.

But the economy will do better when more consumers have more money to spend. And people at the lower end of the wage scale tend to spend most of what they earn. That will help the economy improve and a better economy will generate more jobs. INCLUDING min wage ones.

Let's try it. I dare ya.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2013 9:55:34 PM

"One has to wonder if Rubio even paid attention at all to what the President said."

You have to admit he did a nice product placement ad for Poland Spring. It was the high point of his "rebuttal."
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2013 9:46:15 PM

Steve what effects do you think the raise in Minimum wage will have - if Obama can get it done? Some ideas to ponder on
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>>>Their study focuses on 16-to-24-year-old male high school dropouts, understandably a relatively inexperienced group of labor market participants. Since minimum wage laws discriminate against the employment of the least-skilled worker, it shouldn't be surprising to find 16-to-24-year-old male high school dropouts its primary victims.

Among the white males, the authors find that "each 10 percent increase in a state or federal minimum wage has decreased employment by 2.5 percent; for Hispanic males, the figure is 1.2 percent.

"But among black males in this group, each 10 percent increase in the minimum wage decreased employment by 6.5 percent."

The authors go on to say, "The effect is similar for hours worked: each 10 percent increase reduces hours worked by 3 percent among white males, 1.7 percent for Hispanic males, and 6.6 percent for black males."

Even and Macpherson compare the job loss caused by higher minimum wages with that caused by the recession and find between 2007 and 2010, employment for 16-to-24-year-old black males fell by approximately 34,300 as a result of the recession; over the same time period, approximately 26,400 lost their jobs as a result of increases in the minimum wage across the 50 states and at the federal level.

Why do young black males suffer unequal harm from minimum wage increases? Even and Macpherson say that they're more likely to be employed in low-skilled jobs in eating and drinking establishments.

These are businesses with narrow profit margins and are more adversely affected by increases in minimum wage increases. For 16-to-24-year-old men without a high school diploma, 25 percent of whites and 31 percent of blacks work at an eating and drinking establishment. Compounding the discriminatory burden of minimum wages, not discussed by the authors, are the significant educational achievement differences between blacks and whites.

The best way to sabotage chances for upward mobility of a youngster from a single-parent household, who resides in a violent slum and has attended poor-quality schools is to make it unprofitable for any employer to hire him. The way to accomplish that is to mandate an employer to pay such a person a wage that exceeds his skill level.

Imagine that a worker's skill level is such that he can only contribute $5 worth of value per hour to the employer's output, but the employer must pay him a minimum wage of $7.25 per hour, plus mandated fringes such as Social Security, unemployment compensation and health insurance. To hire such a worker would be a losing economic proposition. If the employer could pay that low-skilled worker the value of his skills, he would at least have a job and a chance to upgrade his skill and earn more in the future.

Minimum wage laws have massive political support, including that of black politicians. That means that many young black males will remain a part of America's permanent underclass with crime, drugs and prison as their future.<<<

Now it doesnt matter what nice warm fuzzy feeling the progressive liberal gets from raising the minimum wages - do they give a rats behind for what the other effects are?
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2013 9:23:32 PM

One has to wonder if Rubio even paid attention at all to what the President said.

President Obama: "The American people don’t expect government to solve every problem."

Rubio: "But President Obama? He believes it’s the cause of our problems. That the economic downturn happened because our government didn’t tax enough, spend enough and control enough. And, therefore, as you heard tonight, his solution to virtually every problem we face is for Washington to tax more, borrow more and spend more."

--President Obama never said that! It would carry some meaning if Rubio responded to what the President actually DID say; instead of making things up and putting words into the President's mouth.

Republicans don't have a messaging problem. They have a HEARING problem.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2013 10:33:36 AM

In-N-Out Burger?

Does that describe the way it goes through you?

I stand and applaud the $9 min wage proposal.

It is about time!
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2013 10:28:05 AM

$9/hour minimum wage? I wonder how that will affect the unemployment rate? Although, in California, many fast food places already start pay at or above that. For example, In-N-Out Burger.
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2013 10:19:34 AM

More regulation..... More laws.... More government.....

Not a good idea.
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2013 10:09:32 AM

Lies I caught (although I admit I missed some parts due to work phone calls):

•"The state of our union is strong."
•"Both parties have reduced our deficits, we are halfway there."
•"ObamaCare© is slowing the growth of healthcare costs"
•"I am open to ideas from both parties"
•"We need a tax code that isn't very complicated for small business" (he doesn't mean it)
•"Nothing I suggest tonight will increase our deficit not one dime"
•"Everyone's energy bills are lower than before"
•"I am doing everything I can to speed up energy and drilling permits"
•"Every dollar we invest in early education pays back $7 in later savings"
•"We will continue to attack terrorists that attack America" (Benghazi?)
•"All of our efforts are transparent to the American people and the world"
•"We will do what is necessary to prevent Iran from perfecting a nuclear weapon"
•"We will stand steadfast with Isreal for a real and secure peace"
•"We will maintain the best military that the world has ever known"
•"We must be able to maintain our God given rights" (he doesn't mean it)
•"A girl was shot in Chicago only a mile away from my house" (he lives in Hawaii)
•"We ought to respect the security of other generations" (Why does he keep spending money like a drunken sailor?)
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2013 10:03:56 AM

It was a decent speech... not spectacular, but decent. I don't agree with all that Obama envisions, but at least we know where he stands on matters of import to our nation. I hope the Congress begins to discharge its leadership by legislating meaningful laws, and stops opposing sensible legislation just because Obama suggests it.

[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 2/13/2013 10:05:10 AM EST]
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2013 10:00:10 AM

fact check - overreaching
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