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calwdstk

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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 1:23:57 PM

Now that everyone is examining this law, they are finding out. Costs will rise for family's, some people will not be covered, namely children. Then the ultimate 9 Million less then predicted will be covered, and more. Read the full article on this from NY Times.

Wheels Coming Off - NYPOST
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Passer
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Message Posted: Apr 17, 2014 5:53:57 PM

"Passer, "Fox News as a "Source" for news about Obamacare?

That's like the Klan doing a biography of somebody they've already lynched!!"

j1200>"No matter how you polish this healthcare law it’s still a turd no matter who reports on the stench."

Not, "no matter who reports on the stench", since those with the biggest NO'S can always smell a "stench" whether one exists or not.

Republicans will someday learn IF they are ever given the responsibility to govern, again, that if

they cut off their NO'S it will not always spite their Face (or in Romney's case, faces)!


It is so EASY for the irresponsible to call the responsible,"turds". It only shows, that they don't deserve the RESPONSIBILITY (look up the word) to GOVERN (look that one up too).
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2014 11:54:47 AM

Seems like the administration doesn't want any true measure with regards to how many people have signed up for ObamaCare.

Why is that?
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 3:54:16 PM

So how do we know how many people really signed up for 0bamaCare?

Major Changes to U.S. Census Will Make It Nearly Impossible to Track How 0bamacare Is Doing

"The U.S. Census Bureau will change its annual survey to include a “total revision to health insurance questions,” essentially making it all but impossible to track 0bamacare’s successes and failures in its next report, the New York Times reported Tuesday.
Widely regarded as the most authoritative source on health insurance data in the country, the bureau’s shakeup was met by sharp criticism from analysts who hoped to follow 0bamacare’s progress." NYT

Curious timing. It will be even harder to keep an accurate score now.
It's not who votes, it's who counts the votes.

Who watches the watchers?



[Edited by: I75at7AM at 4/15/2014 3:55:07 PM EST]
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2014 6:05:11 AM

So how do we know how many people really signed up for ObamaCare?
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2014 11:56:59 PM

<<<<<Passer, "Fox News as a "Source" for news about Obamacare?>>>

Typical of some on the left ignore the facts and ridicule the messenger.

They tried to blame the Tea-Party for the crash of Healthcare.gov. They tried to twist the lie about you can keep your doctor and plan. They even tried to say Obama never said it. They are now offended by the name Obamacare, a name he embraced himself. When companies started to cut fulltime jobs they blamed “greedy corporations” but refused to accept that the companies did what was predicted by the conservatives, a prediction that was called fear mongering.


No matter how you polish this healthcare law it’s still a turd no matter who reports on the stench.

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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2014 2:55:36 PM

Passer, "Fox News as a "Source" for news about Obamacare?

That's like the Klan doing a biography of somebody they've already lynched!!

(Of course that is over the heads of the Palin Right --> and most of those even live with their heads in the sand!)"

Ummm.. wasn't it hose on the right that were saying that it was not true that you could keep your plan if you liked it, that the average family wouldn't be saving $2500 a year on health care, and that it wouldn't lower the deficit?

Come to think of it, wasn't it Palin (and Romney) that said that Russia was a geopolitical threat? And wasn't it Obama that laughed that off?

Better get your head out of the sand!
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goldseeker
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2014 10:49:56 AM

I am amazed at how many Americans still think that Obama Care is such a good deal.

I am going to run you through the basic plan for a couple aged 45 here in WVA that has a family income of $25,000. That income would indeed be near poverty level which is not uncommon here in WVA.

Actual monthly premiums for the basic plan would be $453 per month. However with your tax credit you would pay zero. That is right zero. Wow they have really baited you with the carrot. Now lets look at the deductibles.

Primary Doctor: 40% Coinsurance after deductible
Specialist Doctor: 40% Coinsurance after deductible
Generic Prescription: 40% Coinsurance after deductible
ER Visit: 40% Coinsurance after deductible

And your maximum deductible is $6,000.

I just had a basil cell carcinoma removed from my nose. It was a 5 minute procedure but it cost me $2500.00 If I had that so-called affordable care plan I would have to pay $1000! Do you think a poor family can pay that co-payment?

At this point in time I am lucky I have a company plan, but even I have seen major changes this year that is effecting me.

My premiums did not go up a lot. However, my deductible did. When I had the basil cell removed I still paid $400 out of pocket. A year ago it would have been less than half.

I recently had a routine eye exam. I have a supplemental eye insurance called blue vision. In years gone buy it paid 100% for a eye exam. This time I got a co-payment bill. I called about it and I found out that blue vision did not cover this exam because I had a small amount of cataract on one eye, so they claim this is a medical condition and sent it off to my blue cross health care and that is why I got a deductible payment. What gets me is I have an annual eye exam and the cataracts have been there for 3 years and blue vision always did pay the full amount, now under Obama Care they passed the buck and I get stuck.

It only gets worse. A co-worker who has the same insurance as me just has an eye exam and it turns out blue vision will not cover progressive lenses and titinum frames any more. So the out of pocket expenses for glasses just went up about 1000%.

Here I am looking to retire soon, but wondering if I can afford to?

Experts are saying that the new rates for 2015 will likely increase up to 300% in some states.I am fed up with this so called affordable health care program. Government never has and never will do anything right.

The bums that pushed this through should be tarred an feathered and run out of office.

Wake up America!
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therder
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Message Posted: Apr 13, 2014 10:19:20 AM

Grantme:>>I hate it took this long for America to find this out. I hope it is not to late to stop this disaster<<

We had our chance in 2012. ObamaCare wasn't a winning issue for Republicans nationally because Mitt Romney had no credibility versus Barack Obama's lies about Obamacare.

[Edited by: therder at 4/13/2014 10:20:17 AM EST]
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Grantme
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Message Posted: Apr 12, 2014 9:08:18 PM

I hate it took this long for America to find this out. I hope it is not to late to stop this disaster
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Passer
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Message Posted: Apr 12, 2014 8:32:09 PM

"The poll also indicates that more than twice as many are against it as are for it."

ObamaCare driving voters
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Fox News as a "Source" for news about Obamacare?

That's like the Klan doing a biography of somebody they've already lynched!!

(Of course that is over the heads of the Palin Right --> and most of those even live with their heads in the sand!)







[Edited by: Passer at 4/12/2014 8:35:50 PM EST]
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Apr 11, 2014 10:41:24 AM

Pew poll says ObamaCare is one of the top issues in the coming elections.

Bad news for Democrats? The poll also indicates that more than twice as many are against it as are for it.
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HEDGEHOGS
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Message Posted: Apr 11, 2014 10:07:09 AM

After taking a victory lap over tthe announcement that they had reached their magic number, they blew the engine (Katleen Sebelius out)!!!
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Apr 11, 2014 6:48:49 AM

jayrad, the margin of error in that poll you linked to is 3.5%. That is a HUGE margin. So you really can't say that a majority like ObamaCare. In fact, that wasn't even the question in the poll, was it?
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Apr 11, 2014 6:44:26 AM

therder, "7.1-million heavily subsidized people with pre-existing conditions, who will draw far more from the system than they ever pay in..."

How do we know that the real number is 7.1 million? The administration has lied about everything else about ObamaCare.
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2014 9:07:12 PM

>>>>So, who in their right mind thinks that GOP governors have prevented people in their state from signing up for ObozoCare?? How EXACTLY have they "prevented their own residents from accessing health coverage"??<<<<<

In several states the people voted no to Obamacare. In Missouri we did it to stop the Democrat Governor from setting up an exchange. Strange that the people could actually vote on something like that.

This could be the start of a new trend. What shall we call it? I know how about Democracy.
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therder
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2014 8:50:50 PM

I'm certain she has seen some bad preliminary numbers but Sebilius's resignation looks like a power move to me. President Obama is shifting the blame to her and avoiding taking any responsibility for his "accomplishment". He has always promised everything to everybody and then shifted the blame when people were inevitably disappointed. Will it will make a difference this time? Democrats own this law and hopefully the American people won't fall for this bait and switch in the mid-terms.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2014 8:29:48 PM

therder: "The real issue will be revealed when there are not enough younger, healthy Americans paying premiums to offset the high claims by those who ran to sign up. "


I suspect that the Bozocare chickens will come home to roost this fall when the new premiums, adjusted for who actually did and didn't signup versus Bozo's rosy predictions, are announced. I wonder if Sebilius resigned because she got her first preview of what those premiums are likely to be now that the enrollment period is over and the insurance companies have some hard data on the demographics of the people they are being forced to cover.


mudtoe
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therder
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Message Posted: Apr 10, 2014 8:22:29 PM

7.1-million heavily subsidized people with pre-existing conditions, who will draw far more from the system than they ever pay in. The real issue will be revealed when there are not enough younger, healthy Americans paying premiums to offset the high claims by those who ran to sign up.
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Apr 9, 2014 7:25:08 PM

e_jeepin said: "We will find out eventually who are buying off the exchanges."

Here's another group who's happy with ObozoCare:

Inmates getting coverage under ObamaCare, as states shift cost to feds

"Cash-strapped state and local prisons increasingly are using the Affordable Care Act to pay for their inmates' medical costs, taking advantage of a little-known provision that lets them shift some of those expenses to the federal government.
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Under the old Medicaid plan, the federal government would pay 58 percent of the cost of care while the state and local government picked up the other 42 percent. Under the expansion of the Medicaid program under ObamaCare, the federal government would absorb 100 percent of the extra costs for the first three years which would then go down to 90 percent by the end of the decade."
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Passer
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2014 12:09:54 PM

"...and replace it with better solutions focused on lowering health care costs for families and small businesses...,"

If you think you can stand on that political grandstand I'd like to sell you some tea based quicksand that that the grandstand is resting upon. A life insurance company would go bankrupt insuring the life of every fool cheering on that grandstand.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2014 10:02:50 AM

Yesterday was a Drudge Headline saying that 'Republicans might be Expanding 0bamaCare?'

The story:
GOP seeks coverage choices in health law
" "Maybe you say it helps (Obamacare), but it really helps the small businessman," said Rep. Phil Roe, R-Tenn., one of several physician-lawmakers among Republicans and an advocate of repeal.
No member of the House GOP leadership has publicly hailed the fix, which was tucked, at Republicans' request, into legislation preventing a cut in payments to doctors who treat Medicare patients."

Boehner's staff replies today:
Team Boehner to Drudge: We didn't 'expand' 0bamacare, we repealed a piece
"Hours after the Drudge Report suggested on Sunday that "Republicans expanded 0bamacare" in the headline for the site's lead story, an "alert" from the office of House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, countered that they had actually "chipped away another piece" of the law.
The recent change "eliminated a cap on deductibles for small group policies offered inside the law's health care exchanges as well as outside," the Associated Press explained.
"Successfully repealing this 0bamacare provision is just one part of Republicans' larger effort to repeal the full law and replace it with better solutions focused on lowering health care costs for families and small businesses," Boehner aide Kevin Smith wrote in the blog post."

Small businesses.
What about large companies? Hmmmm?????
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Apr 6, 2014 8:34:58 AM

From jayrad1957's Bad News For Republicans link:

"The true apocalypse will occur in red states where Republicans reject Obamacare.
This is especially true in red states, where GOP governors have prevented their own residents from accessing health coverage. Studies show that thousands of Americans will die needlessly in red states because of GOP opposition to Obamacare. The GOP is literally willing to sacrifice the lives of their own constituents. As Americans in these states suffer, the GOP should expect a backlash unlike any they have ever experienced. If anything will spur people to vote against the GOP in these states, it’s the deaths of loved ones that could have been prevented. The impending death toll in red states is the true apocalypse that is going to occur. And it will be 100 percent caused by Republicans."

So, who in their right mind thinks that GOP governors have prevented people in their state from signing up for ObozoCare?? How EXACTLY have they "prevented their own residents from accessing health coverage"??

It's amazing that people can get away writing these falsehoods. It's even more amazing that liberals like jayrad fall for it hook, line & sinker!

And to top it off, check out the last 2 frames in the cartoon at the beginning of the "article". When have liberal predictions actually turned out the way they thought they would? Enough said!
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e_jeepin
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2014 1:57:06 AM

There is no Democrat silver lining in Obamacare and it wont "get better with time".
If Republicans put the car in the ditch -- while they were calling a tow truck and wondering what to do -- Democrats decided to set the car on fire.

"Why did you do that?"

"So the tow truck can spot us"
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2014 12:53:05 AM

jrad: "Bad news for republicans."


Are you sure? Do you really believe that poll, when one a few days ago showed Obamacare approval at an all time low? I'll give you some free insight into how you can tell which poll is more accurate. You need to watch those Congressmen and Senators up for re-election this fall in swing states and districts.

If the the poll you referred to isn't just propaganda then you will see democrats in those districts and states suddenly extolling the virtues of Obamacare and asking Obama to come campaign for them. Also you will see republicans in those districts and states stop with the attack ads tying their opponents to Obama and Obamacare and instead they will start saying things like Obamacare just needs a few tweaks to be good.

On the other hand, if this poll is just propaganda you will continue to see democrats running from Obamacare like the plague was chasing them and they will treat Obama himself like the carrier and will make no mention of him as well as make sure they are out of their district or state if he happens to come to town. You will also see the republicans continue the the attack ads on Obamacare and how their opponent voted for it.

None of these people are stupid and they are paying big bucks for real polling, so they are getting the unvarnished and unbiased polls about what people think, not the stuff that gets published for low information voters.

Watch and see which way things go and you will have your answer.



mudtoe

[Edited by: mudtoe at 4/4/2014 12:57:25 AM EST]
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2014 12:33:25 AM

Bad news for Democrats: each and every person who got screwed out of health insurance that was working for them and got sheisted into an 0bamaCare plan knows full well how much more they are paying, for premiums, for deductibles, for higher out-of-pocket threshholds.

Come votin' time, they will still remember.
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2014 11:09:37 PM

Bad news for republicans.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2014 5:26:08 PM

Why op how is it that Obama and the dems can change and postpone the Obamacare nightmare to their hearts desires are fulfilled but the Repubs cannto change any part of it at all - "its the law". Makes you go HUMMMMMMMM
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>>>As you read this, keep in mind that Robert Gibbs isn't some marginal figure. He is as close to Barack Obama's inner circle as anyone in America, and served as the administration's official mouthpiece for years. So when he starts talking about significant changes to Obamacare, people should sit up and listen. These remarks could reasonably be considered White House-planted trial balloons:

“I don’t think the employer mandate will go into effect. It’s a small part of the law. I think it will be one of the first things to go,” he said to a notably surprised audience. The employer mandate has been delayed twice, he noted. The vast majority of employers with 100 or more employees offer health insurance, and there aren’t many employers who fall into the mandate window, he said. Killing the employer mandate would be one way to improve the law — and there are a handful of other “common sense” improvements needed as well, he said...And, most importantly, Gibbs said “health care has to add an additional layer of coverage cheaper than the plans already offered.” A few points: (1) Yes, the employer mandate has already been delayed twice, tacit admissions that the law is bad for business. Will the administration keep punting it, or will they simply declare it dead? The mandate is built into the law. The White House's postponements of this provision are legally dubious at best; they absolutely do not have the authority to excise entire sections of the law permanently. Will Congress act? I'd also imagine that many employers would dispute Gibbs' characterization of this mandate as "small." (2) How would the demise of the employer mandate impact the mechanics of the law? Its existence has been baked into CBO estimates on revenues and coverage. If a portion of the law designed to ensure coverage for millions, which obviously impacts revenues, goes away, what then? CBO already projects that 31 million Americans will remain uninsured under Obamacare.<<<

The article goes on some more but you get the flavor.

I was under the understanding that the employer mandate was a major part of the law - yet Obama wants to gut it? Why????

Yet when the House tries to make any changes of any kind to this godawful mess the Dems in the Senate say "Its the law".....
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2014 4:38:19 PM

I heard that an ObamaCare Copper plan is being considered. If that still doesn't get enough people signed up they will introduce an ObamaCare wooden nickel plan.
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e_jeepin
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2014 4:30:33 PM

We will find out eventually who are buying off the exchanges. Here is my prediction:

High risk / high needs ($600.mo is a deal, they were paying $1500) Now somebody else pays their subsidy. Then they consume at least $1000/mo in medical needs -- a net drain to the system.

Medicaid -- fully subsidized -- a net drain on the system.

Folks, the exchanges are not cheap and nobody realizes that you aren't receiving a conventional health plan accepted everywhere.

Here is your policy, here is a list of the few Doctors who accept it.

Medicaid Gold Plan is what they should call it.

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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Apr 2, 2014 11:42:35 AM

Really cliff, maybe you should look at the numbers a little closer.

First off the minimum number required to make ObamaCare work was 7M. However, there was another number that they had to reach that they did not reach. This number was that over 50% of the signups had to be younger healthier people that would be overcharged for their care through ObamaCare and thus fund the other people. Well guess what...it did not happen. Less than 30% of the people that signed up are in that age class that they needed to make it fiscally viable.

Now they are left with some hard choices over the next year. They either need to raise the "tax" that people are going to be hit with that did not sign up to pay for the majority older/sickly people that signed up. They can force the insurers to raise their premium rates to cover this majority. Or lastly they can just let the insurance companies swallow the costs and slowly but surely they become an insolvent company that goes bankrupt.

So, what is the next move?

On an FYI, the last number I saw was only 1.2M of those that have signed up have actually paid for a plan. I have not seen an update on that number lately and that was about a month ago.
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Apr 2, 2014 10:14:22 AM

"Sheep!"

Hard to describe just how funny that is, coming from the Sound Bite King.

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Cliffisher
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Message Posted: Apr 2, 2014 10:00:21 AM

The sign up of 7.1 million crushed the last GOPer talking point that there would never be over 6 million.

They are now in the process of making a new talking points list.

You will see the GOPer parrots on Fox spouting them by today.

And the GOPers on here with the same exact message.

Sheep!

[Edited by: Cliffisher at 4/2/2014 10:01:25 AM EST]
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e_jeepin
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Message Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:52:51 AM

"Obama has set the precedent for this himself"

Democrats thought they would rule over us forever and it wouldn't matter from now on -- change all the rules, who cares.

This will likely be how this all gets unwound -- just executive order the pig with lipstick to irrelevance.

Easy to do

Executive order 1. IRS penalty will not be enforced (call it a dream act, healthcare amnesty)
Executive order 2. Insurance companies can sell free market alternatives

The law will stay on the books but no longer matters, (and nobody will be able to afford it after this year anyways)

[Edited by: e_jeepin at 4/2/2014 9:55:05 AM EST]
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Apr 2, 2014 9:50:46 AM

Drudge had the round-up (center column below headline), and here are the highlights:
No, Mr. President, the Debate Is Not Over - William Kristol
Media Joins In "Mission Accomplished" Spin - Breitbart
RAND: Only One-Third Of Obamacare Exchange Sign-Ups Were From The Previously Uninsured (I pointed to this yesterday)
Krauthammer’s Take: 7.1 Million Enrollees a ‘Phony Number’ - "7.1 Million..... a number that is “wonderfully precise,” according to Charles Krauthammer. “These guys go six months without any idea what the numbers are, and all of a sudden it’s to a decimal point.”"

As for me, my premiums went up 40%, my co-pays went up 50%, my out-of-pocket deductible went up 50%, prescriptions went up, and I am still considered "lucky" to have a "good plan" from my employer. Right........



[Edited by: I75at7AM at 4/2/2014 9:52:23 AM EST]
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Apr 2, 2014 7:43:26 AM

Cliffisher, "With 7.1 million signed up will the GOPers stick their heads back into the sand?"

By the way, since the president has unilaterally changed the law on his own without Congress, changing the mandates, changing the law about only people that live in states with state exchanges (not the federal exchange) get subsidies, granting waivers, etc., the next president can effectively repeal the law on their own. Obama has set the precedent for this himself.

[Edited by: nstrdnvstr at 4/2/2014 7:43:57 AM EST]
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e_jeepin
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Message Posted: Apr 2, 2014 3:00:25 AM

Oh and nobody had to sign up today -- just check a box -- "honors system" that you will come back and finish the sign up.

If you haven't had the opportunity to sign up for these new compliant junk plans -- it takes at least 30 days. Mine took 45 days.

Oh, and you need a photo ID to prove your identity if you have not previously been insured -- sheesh, the ACA is racist too.

Whatever Obama says, liberals buy as truth. Nothing told to us about obamacare has been truthful -- it can't stand on its merits so they lie to get Democrats to sign up? pathetic

There is no context for this 7.1 -- they just added up attempts to sign up, medicaid, and successful signups -- you all believing it as fact is your problem, not ours.



[Edited by: e_jeepin at 4/2/2014 3:05:46 AM EST]
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e_jeepin
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Message Posted: Apr 2, 2014 2:42:17 AM

Guess what libs -- Obama lies are aimed at you, not us.

We were never on board with oblundercare and all the lies in the World would never convince us to vote Obama a second term -- to get that $2500 "average savings". Obama was convincing you -- and you bought it!

Wouldn't today be even MORE successful today if the UAW, SIEU and Teamsters were "saved" from their old junk plans and navigated to new compliant ones?

No, controlled outrage is all Obama can handle with a few million individuals who are now seeing how bad these plans are.

My friend was once all gung ho about Obamacare last Fall until he tried to sign up. He finally gave up and bought a "compliant plan" outside of the exchanges. I did the same thing.

He just used his "covered preventative" in January 2014 for a full physical.

Guess what was covered? The office visit fee. He received a $300 Bill in the mail a few weeks later for all the routine lab tests associated with a physical. This is what "covered" means: what you will pay is covered up in the plan somewhere.

The only way to kill off this turd ACA is to force everyone to comply -- like the "settled law" declares.

Then lets see how popular Obama is!



[Edited by: e_jeepin at 4/2/2014 2:45:20 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Apr 2, 2014 2:03:44 AM

My brother just got his bill for Obamacare. Its much much more expensive per month for family plan than his old coverage. Plus much higher deductibles and copays. He's self employed and had his old policy cancelled.

I lost my prescription plan under Obama. Now I pay 100% out of pocket. I used to pay $3/ script. Thanks obamacare for screwing me over too.

[Edited by: Hemond at 4/2/2014 2:06:41 AM EST]
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Passer
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Message Posted: Apr 2, 2014 1:20:05 AM

Soom, Obamacare will be as entrenched as Social Security (and the Reactionaries are still trying to repeal that, too).

It's true, in the beginning it seemed the "wheels were coming off Obamacare".

But they were training wheels!

History will show that the ACA's opponents were the ones on the wrong track. Even yesterday has left the station that they remain trapped in and tomorrow to them is an enemy to be feared. And no wonder, the future holds little to those whose greatest weapon is false witness.







[Edited by: Passer at 4/2/2014 1:25:02 AM EST]
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theTower
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Message Posted: Apr 1, 2014 10:54:03 PM

"With 7.1 million signed up will the GOPers stick their heads back into the sand?"

How many of those lost their previous plans because of obamacare?
How many now have higher premiums and deductibles?
They won't tell us who this number represents and what they actually are getting fir turning their healthcare over to Obama Care.
Until Obamas State Run Media is given the facts behind the numbers, it's meaningless and could very well be an outright lie considering the lies that already have come from this so called "president"
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Apr 1, 2014 9:12:48 PM

"With 7.1 million signed up will the GOPers stick their heads back into the sand?"

LOL, Cliffisher, you ACTUALLY believe that there are 7.1 million people signed up for ObamaCare who have/will actually pay their first premium?!

I will remind you and all the DEMers of this lie every time it is "revised" this spring and summer. It is as unbelieveable and will be proved as false as the "miraculous" drop in unemployment right before the election in 2012 that was later "adjusted" and then proved totally inaccurate because "OOOPSIE we forgot to count a state or three". I'm just going on gut with this, but I would bet that the number is going to end up 25% lower or even more when it comes time to count actual premium-paying people in ObamaCare who are NOT fully subsidized.

The fact that you still believe what this administration tells you about what a fabulous job they're doing is proof that you've swallowed their line, and hook, and sinker. Most of the American public, however, finds them considerably less credible, as evidenced by the chronically anemic poll numbers. But Hey! Have faith! 2018's coming!
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Apr 1, 2014 9:04:08 PM

Earlier Passer said: "Your hatred jestibuff blinds you and makes you bear false witness against those you hate."

I figured Passer made a typo...no big deal...we all make typos.

Then Passer said: "That is not the impression jestifbuff gleefully left out in his "false witness" example."

Clearly the same typo twice, with a little variation. Okay...not quite a typo anymore.

Is this a Passer attempt at being clever?

Wow, Passer...it appears you need a little help. Try using this tool and maybe after a few thousand tries you'll be able to come up with something that'll make someone smile. Until then...keep at it! Little victories will help you feel better about yourself!

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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Apr 1, 2014 8:44:02 PM

Cliffisher, "With 7.1 million signed up will the GOPers stick their heads back into the sand?"

Take YOUR head out of the sand. Everything the administration told us about ObamaCare has been a lie, including if you like your health insurance you can keep it, If you like your doctor you can keep them, the average family will save $2500 a year, large companies will have to cover their employees after Dec. 31, 2013, ObamaCare will lower the deficit... need I go on?
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Cliffisher
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Message Posted: Apr 1, 2014 8:24:15 PM

With 7.1 million signed up will the GOPers stick their heads back into the sand?
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BuzzLOL
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Message Posted: Apr 1, 2014 5:38:07 PM

+ ObamaCare numbers coming in HUGE: EvilBushies Flustered +

ObamaCare Huge, GOP Flustered

. "Against all odds and expectations, enrollments in health plans qualified under the Affordable Care Act are surging Monday toward -- and maybe beyond -- the 7-million figure projected by the Congressional Budget Office before Oct. 1, when the open-enrollment period began."

. "The surge is creating a big problem for the "train wreck" narrative of Republican opponents of the ACA, who have been holding out hope for Obamacare's utter failure"...

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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Apr 1, 2014 5:15:10 PM

5 Obamacare disasters that haven’t happened
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Apr 1, 2014 5:04:53 PM

While 0bama was taking to stage to brag about 7.1 million people now having health care* the real number gets put up on Drudge - from a Brit paper!
'The debate over repealing this law is over': Obama boasts 7.1 MILLION have signed up to Obamacare - but study shows just 858,000 newly insured Americans have paid up!

"Numbers from a RAND Corporation study that has been kept under wraps suggest that barely 858,000 previously uninsured Americans – nowhere near 7.1 million – have paid for new policies and joined the ranks of the insured by Monday night."

Is that the Ayn Rand corporation?
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e_jeepin
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Message Posted: Apr 1, 2014 12:47:59 PM

I called it -- of course they made their goal! If it was 10 Million, they would have met that too!

The stats show that the system can only handle 7,000 users at any given time.

So lets say 100% sign up in 24 hours, each taking a remarkably fast 30 minutes to research, commit, and make payment.

14,000 sign up per hour -- 24 hours = 336,000

However, we know the system cant handle any user volume and the likeliness to make it to payment is slim. It also takes hours to wade through it and then pick up the phone because you gave up trying.

The big lie continues, there was no 1 million sign ups out of the blue -- the system only booked 1 million per month prior to yesterday.

$17 million per month spent on advertising!!!! These jerks are wasting taxpayers money at a shocking rate. They could have already insured the uninsured for a decade based on the money the squandered.



[Edited by: e_jeepin at 4/1/2014 12:53:37 PM EST]
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Mar 31, 2014 4:47:24 PM


The White House is tripping over itself to tout its '6 million signed up' number.

When any other questions are asked to support that number, the WH responds "we don't know".

There are two possibilities for that, BOTH of which probably are true.

1. If they do NOT know, they are totally incompetent!

2. If they DO know and say they don't, they are LIARS!

I submit to you that BOTH things are true when it comes to Obama!

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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Mar 31, 2014 4:18:57 PM

Your article doesn't answer my question. 30 Million uninsured, 7 million sign up......what happened to 23 million uninsured "Americans"? I don't think they all got full-time jobs with benefits.......
....maybe they were illegals and left the country.......
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