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calwdstk

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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 1:23:57 PM

Now that everyone is examining this law, they are finding out. Costs will rise for family's, some people will not be covered, namely children. Then the ultimate 9 Million less then predicted will be covered, and more. Read the full article on this from NY Times.

Wheels Coming Off - NYPOST
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Dec 14, 2014 2:17:39 PM

Coverage for pre-existing conditions, a diamond found amongst several tons of rubbish. About as useful as finding a chocolate in a dumpster.
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Passer
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Message Posted: Dec 13, 2014 8:13:07 PM

"Higher costs and higher deductibles makes for higher expenses that make 'coverage' next to worthless."

There are some who under the previous "system" had preexisting conditions that simply made getting health insurance IMPOSSIBLE at ANY cost!

I'll agree with jestibuff that people who are healthy and think they would never use nor need health insurance would be furious at "higher costs and deductibles" simply because they already think they don't need it at any price (this might apply especially to the younger).

For those who DO have a pre-existing condition and no coverage at a job, Obamacare not only is not "next to worthless" it is both a lifesaver and a family saver that Conservative hypocrites can not or just politically refuse to understand for the most insidious of motives.

It is not just "nice". It is utterly critical!







[Edited by: Passer at 12/13/2014 8:14:49 PM EST]
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2014 4:33:43 PM

Passer said: "there are more people insured now"

It really doesn't matter that there are more people insured if their insurance doesn't do much to help them. Higher costs and higher deductibles makes for higher expenses that make "coverage" next to worthless. Insurance is meant to provide a tangible benefit when you buy it. When you're essentially forced to buy it (or pay penalties), there's little incentive for insurance companies to build any value into those policies. ObozoCare has screwed up American healthcare BIG TIME!
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Passer
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2014 3:51:18 PM

"In theory, that's correct.

It's just that the Obozo method has had the exact opposite effect."

The fact is, the latter is not true. Of course there are genuine faults with it as there is with everything in the real world. But there are more people insured now and the rate of increase for health insurance has slowed. With the ACA there are winners and losers. It should be tweaked and will be.

To be abolished no matter how politically attractive to some would have the same result as the equally appealing (to them) as abolishing the equally socialistic Federal Plan called Social Security. If the Tea Party overreaches and tries it, even their lapdogs the GOP will bite them with such ferocity that all the Tea in China would not stop their bleeding.
It would make the few remaining (and desperate) Democrats vampires who would delight in sucking their blood just in time for 2016.





[Edited by: Passer at 12/11/2014 3:53:20 PM EST]
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Dec 11, 2014 7:03:56 AM

Passer said: "It should be in the public interest for as many people as possible to have health insurance"

In theory, that's correct.

It's just that the Obozo method has had the exact opposite effect.

More people now have less EFFECTIVE healthcare coverage. Higher costs and higher deductibles make for more expensive plans. The only ones reaping benefits because of ObozoCare are the insurance companies who get to charge higher premiums to cover impossible conditions (males getting pregnant, etc.). When people have to pay more for what they get, they forego things that they need.

Don't try to pretend that ObozoCare has taken us in the right direction: IT HASN'T. The only positive aspect is that the passage of the bill has resulted in many Dumbocrats losing their offices.

Ring around the mulberry bush...
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Passer
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Message Posted: Dec 10, 2014 1:10:47 PM

Driving is a privilege. It should be in the public interest for as many people as possible to have health insurance because, and this is one thing Conservatives can not alter, Mother Nature:

IF someone is contagious with a curable disease, EVEN Conservatives might catch it and get sick (or sicker).

It is in every intelligent person's interest (and even anti-health insurance fools) for people to have health insurance because, again, if someone is contagious with a curable dread disease, and just can't afford health insurance, it is even in the selfish persons' interest (of course that even includes a member of the Tea Party Mob) for that person to be treated so that even the foolish do not get sick.

For religious hypocrites: the bible was right, in this instance you might even see your hypocrisy, that you are your brother's keeper or else.
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Dec 9, 2014 9:59:31 AM

"They think that "hallucinogenic drugs" are what cause stupid Liberal ideas like collecting more than once on an auto policy???"

If you have more then 1 chargeable accident in a short amount of time...then your rates will go up due to the fact that you are a High risk driver. If you continue to have chargeable accidents....then they will drop you.

ALSO
If not hallucinogenic drugs" Then what is the root cause of stupid Liberal ideas?
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Passer
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Message Posted: Dec 6, 2014 4:06:08 PM

"you only get to collect one time per incident in an insurance policy. Why should any insurance company let someone collect "again for that (same) fire"?"

So now it is the Tea Party position that if you buy auto insurance and have an accident, just one, you should be dropped forever?:

"Apparently, hallucinogenic drugs play a large part in enhancing the imagination of liberals." Like collecting more than once for automobile insurance???

No wonder now that the Tea Party may get the chance to "govern" it will expose them for the reactionary radicals they are. All they can successfully do is, say, "NO". There is more to "ideas" than that.

They think that "hallucinogenic drugs" are what cause stupid Liberal ideas like collecting more than once on an auto policy???

The American Public will now see who the crazy radicals are (hint TP) when they aren't allowed to "just say, 'NO!" anymore. They are little more than just a name calling mob of Nihilists...
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Dec 5, 2014 5:56:54 AM

ObamaCare author: Health law is 'really complicated'

12-3-14

"Sen. Tom Harkin, one of the co-authors of the Affordable Care Act, now thinks Democrats may have been better off not passing it at all and holding out for a better bill."
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2014 11:20:29 AM

nstrdnvstr said: "Where do you get all your misinformation from?"

Apparently, hallucinogenic drugs play a large part in enhancing the imagination of liberals.
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2014 8:58:53 AM

Passer, "It was "low cost" because the Insurance company could and would have dropped you like a hot potato if they lost money on your family. And like fire insurance after a fire, no company would cover you or your family ever again for that fire."

Ummm... you only get to collect one time per incident in an insurance policy. Why should any insurance company let someone collect "again for that (same) fire"?

[Edited by: nstrdnvstr at 12/4/2014 8:59:25 AM EST]
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2014 8:56:25 AM

Passer, "Even if a woman is raped, she is now covered much to the chagrin of Republicans who bitterly resent paying anything for any problem a woman may have. That's why, nationally there is a problem with rape because too many males just don't care..."

Where do you get all your misinformation from?
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AnotherOne
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Message Posted: Dec 4, 2014 12:02:02 AM



Passer, "Even if a woman is raped, she is now covered much to the chagrin of Republicans who bitterly resent paying anything for any problem a woman may have. That's why, nationally there is a problem with rape because too many males just don't care. If it were up to many Republicans, they would even abolish rape penalties so we can see why it upsets them so if they have to actually pay out of their own pocket for anything concerning a woman if its not one they personally know. How dare their Kenyan make them."

What an IDIOTIC idea!

SMH

More blatant lies from liberals.

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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2014 11:56:51 PM

Happy New Year!
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Passer
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Message Posted: Dec 2, 2014 12:41:09 PM

nstrdnvstr said: "there is absolutely NO risk that I will get pregnant but under ObamaCare"

Even if a woman is raped, she is now covered much to the chagrin of Republicans who bitterly resent paying anything for any problem a woman may have. That's why, nationally there is a problem with rape because too many males just don't care. If it were up to many Republicans, they would even abolish rape penalties so we can see why it upsets them so if they have to actually pay out of their own pocket for anything concerning a woman if its not one they personally know. How dare their Kenyan make them.
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Dec 2, 2014 9:32:35 AM

"But...but...aren't you supposed to be content in the knowledge that ObozoCare has considered ALL possibilities?? "
It is the Progressive Liberal Mentality.
Everyone is the same & needs the same coverage.
So how do you like the New Automaton you have become for the Party to the LEFT???
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2014 9:46:35 PM

Streetrider: <<<"The cheapest plan I could find here independently was 500, it wasn't a family plan either. More people insured eventually the insurance should get cheaper.">>>

--In theory, yet it won't happen. The same number of uninsured remain, just the names have changed. There will always be people left behind, especially with the mindset of the government. They eliminated the cheaper options that many people relied on, and what remains increased substantially in cost to fund the previously uninsured. This has had the net result of nothing, other than increased costs for the consumer, and increased revenue for the insurer.

I am self insured, my plan was found to be not compliant, and cancelled. My rates for the new plan (closest to what I had before) increased 25%, my deductible dropped from $7,500 to $5,000, my co-pays doubled, and my coverage after the deductible is met dropped from 80% to 70% in network, and dropped to 50% out of network. I am just one of many stuck with a worse plan for my needs at substantially higher cost.

[Edited by: EZExit at 12/1/2014 9:46:51 PM EST]
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2014 2:03:28 PM

nstrdnvstr said: "there is absolutely NO risk that I will get pregnant but under ObamaCare"

But...but...aren't you supposed to be content in the knowledge that ObozoCare has considered ALL possibilities??
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Dec 1, 2014 12:25:32 AM

300 per month for a family plan in 2008 sounds a little low, but then if its written where they pay nothing out it is not a value to you, just a bill that maybe eases your mind.

The cheapest plan I could find here independently was 500, it wasn't a family plan either. More people insured eventually the insurance should get cheaper.
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Nov 28, 2014 8:49:40 PM

Passer: <<<"But, if you actually had to use it, you would have needed a pocket deeper than Lake Superior to pay and it would have financially drown the whole family...

It was "low cost" because the Insurance company could and would have dropped you like a hot potato if they lost money on your family. And like fire insurance after a fire, no company would cover you or your family ever again for that fire.">>>

--So to fix it, they dramatically increased the cost of health insurance, so that you can also help pay for the coverage of others, and make it a win/win for insurance companies. And they made it in such a way that you will pay, one way or another, under penalty of law. They also crafted it so that it will come from your pocket indirectly, so that you won't even know that your pocket has been picked. The costs requiring a pocket "deeper than Lake Superior" will be paid by you, me, and everyone else (void if employed by the government, as you get a free pass).

Stupid voters...
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Passer
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Message Posted: Nov 28, 2014 6:16:18 PM

"In 2008 I had a low cost family plan for $300 with a little more out of pocket first."

But, if you actually had to use it, you would have needed a pocket deeper than Lake Superior to pay and it would have financially drown the whole family...

It was "low cost" because the Insurance company could and would have dropped you like a hot potato if they lost money on your family. And like fire insurance after a fire, no company would cover you or your family ever again for that fire.
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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 11:36:36 PM

Reagan’s First Inaugural: “Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.”
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 5:59:00 PM

streetrider, are you advocating that low risk drivers pay high risk rates to cover risky drivers that are lower income AND that their car insurance cover tune ups and oil changes?

I'm advocating that insurance premiums be based on risk. For example there is absolutely NO risk that I will get pregnant but under ObamaCare, I am covered for that and part of my premium goes for that.

I am advocating that I should be able to decide what kind of coverage I need, whether I want mental health coverage, cancer coverage, etc. and not be forced to buy coverage that I do not feel I need.

Are you advocating that the government knows best what your individual needs are when it comes to health insurance coverage?
I doubt that you and I both need (or want) the same identical coverage, but that is what is mandated. If I smoke cigarettes, shouldn't I pay more for health insurance than you if you do not?

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EZExit
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 12:14:20 PM

E Jeepin: <<<"Now it appears I am paying for someone else's fully subsidized plan first.">>>

--Congratulations, you understand how ObamaCare© was designed to work!
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e_jeepin
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 10:40:43 AM

In 2008 I had a low cost family plan for $300 with a little more out of pocket first.

Now it appears I am paying for someone else's fully subsidized plan first.
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 10:21:37 AM

nstrdnvstr

Said
"Why? The financial principles are the same. Insurance economics don't change if the insured is a human or a car. Risks are risks. Risky behavior in or out of a car is still risky behavior."

So your an advocate for my no charge till the insurance has a cost on my part.
After all why should I be paying someone else's bill.
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Nov 25, 2014 9:48:10 AM

Before ObamaCare....
Deductibles were $250 to $1500

Now after ObamaCare
Deductibles are $3000 to $7000

This is better???? for Who?
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e_jeepin
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2014 3:43:52 PM

It's that time of year again, time to open those renewal notices and read how much more the (un)Affordable Care Act will cost us.

I just opened mine Friday -- it is increasing +19% for 2015 -- so since 2009, my rates have almost doubled thanks to Obama and the corrupt Democrat establishment.

In the letter, United Healthcare states that "there has been a rise in the cost of healthcare...". wait, where is the $2500 average family savings?

I think my entire family visited the Doctor 4-5 times the entire year, payed 100% out of pocket, and we get slammed with a 19% increase. The amount of next years increase is more than we paid out-of pocket for the few visits we had!

Democrats need to wear this badge of dis-honor for eternity -- they did this to us, and they need to all be voted out.

There is nothing affordable in the act, just pain to families who have to carry the water for those who now get it free or close to it.


[Edited by: e_jeepin at 11/23/2014 3:49:36 PM EST]
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2014 7:46:26 AM

streetrider, "Should we do the same for people with car insurance? Should people that have a lot of tickets and/or collisions pay the same rate as safe drivers? "

So inane to compare cars to humans."

Why? The financial principles are the same. Insurance economics don't change if the insured is a human or a car. Risks are risks. Risky behavior in or out of a car is still risky behavior.
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2014 5:18:40 AM

3 things White House doesn't want you to know about ObamaCare, plus 3 things coming in 2015 you aren’t going to like

11-13-14

"1. HUGE DEFICITS AND NEW TAXES. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the latest projections for the net cost of ObamaCare over the next ten years are just over $1.4 trillion. Whereas President Obama promised in 2009 that it would cost less than $1 trillion over ten years. In order to partially pay for this, ObamaCare has added more than 20 new taxes totaling over $500 billion.

2. BUREAUCRACY. Speaking of Orwellian politics, ObamaCare includes 159 new boards and agencies to restrict and govern your health care choices.

3. STILL MORE BUREAUCRACY. Dysfunctional state exchanges with high deductible policies, narrow doctor networks, including federally-run exchanges in 36 states which may not be allowable under the law (SCOTUS currently considering this case)."

What is NEW?

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1. PENALTIES WILL RISE – INDIVIDUAL MANDATE. In 2014, people are facing a penalty of $95 per person or 1% of income.

In 2015, the penalty will more than triple to $325 per person or 2% of income, whichever is higher.

If an American failed to get coverage this year, the penalty will be taken out of their tax refund in early 2015.

2. SERIOUS RATE HIKES FOR CHEAPER OBAMACARE PLANS. According to Investor’s Business Daily, the lowest cost bronze plan will increase an average of 7 % in many cases, the lowest cost silver plan by 9%, and the lowest priced catastrophic policy will climb 18 percent on average. Double digit rate hikes are anticipated in several southern and Midwestern states including Kansas, Iowa, Louisiana, North and South Carolina, Tennessee, Iowa, and Virginia.

Subsidies will continue to be a huge part of the program. In 2014, subsidies provided ¾ of the premiums for the federally-run exchanges.

3. EMPLOYER MANDATE WILL TAKE EFFECT. After being delayed for a year, large businesses (100 or more employees in 2015, 50 or more in 2016) will be required to offer affordable (and subsidized) health plans to at least 70 percent of their full time employees or face a $2,000-$3,000 penalty per employee."

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streetrider
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2014 2:17:47 PM

nstrd

"streetider, "Agreed, now lets agree a pre existing condition is not a reason to rip someone on the cost of the policy."

Should we do the same for people with car insurance? Should people that have a lot of tickets and/or collisions pay the same rate as safe drivers? "

So inane to compare cars to humans.
Should we charge the ones that never use it -0- until they do? The same with car insurance should one be charged nothing till they have a wreck then start paying the next year?
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2014 11:15:15 AM

Nstrdnvstr: <<<"Should we do the same for people with car insurance? Should people that have a lot of tickets and/or collisions pay the same rate as safe drivers?">>>

--Shhhh! Those "stupid voters" aren't supposed to think about that!
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2014 8:12:26 AM

streetider, "Agreed, now lets agree a pre existing condition is not a reason to rip someone on the cost of the policy."

Should we do the same for people with car insurance? Should people that have a lot of tickets and/or collisions pay the same rate as safe drivers?
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2014 7:59:21 AM

teacher_tim said: "27 of the senators who voted for ObamaCare are gone as of January."

Gee. Ya think there might be some connection there with how Americans feel about getting ObozoCare shoved down their throats?

Hopefully some other sitting politicians can get a lesson from this!
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Passer
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2014 2:10:21 AM

"Allow the selling of insurance across state lines."

In my opinion, the single best Republican idea in eight years.
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2014 3:42:07 PM

OK
Popcornpirate

Agreed, now lets agree a pre existing condition is not a reason to rip someone on the cost of the policy.
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2014 8:59:36 AM

Lets all agree here?
Insurance companies cant deny for pre-existing conditions.
Allow the selling of insurance across state lines.
Allow people to purchase the type of insurance that they will need & use....not what they can get
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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2014 2:03:00 AM

100% of Newly Elected GOP Senators Campaigned on Repealing Obamacare

11-5-14

"Louisiana’s Senate GOP candidate, Bill Cassidy, has also voiced support for the repeal of Obamacare, listing 10 reasons why it should be replaced. As a practicing physician, Cassidy has said that the ACA would drive up costs, endangers access to care, destroys jobs and increases taxes just to name a few.

“By definition, a law that creates over 150 boards, bureaucracies, and commissions does not empower patients. Repealing this law is the first step to enacting real health care reform that lowers costs and expands access to quality health care for all Americans,” Cassidy said."
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2014 10:13:01 AM

27 of the senators who voted for ObamaCare are gone as of January.
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2014 10:12:08 AM

Lets see how we can scale back some of the really bad parts of Obamacare
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Nov 4, 2014 5:43:41 AM

So what good is the insurance that you are forced to buy if you cannot afford the deductibles?
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Message Posted: Nov 4, 2014 4:19:28 AM

Some ObamaCare patients with high deductibles turning to community care centers

11-4-14

"Millions signed up after the president said premiums would be less than their monthly cell phone bill. But now, even those the law was most designed to help still must pay for their own care."
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Message Posted: Nov 1, 2014 6:16:43 AM

If You Thought the Legal Challenges to the Affordable Care Act Were Over, You'd Be Wrong

10-31-14

"In its briefs, the Obama administration scoffs at the challenge, saying there is no way Congress would have intended such an “absurd” result. Supporters of the law acknowledge, however, if this battle is lost it's unlikely the rest of the law could survive.

There are similar cases percolating in the lower courts, and it's likely the Supreme Court will hold off for now and only step in after those courts have ruled. But supporters of the health care law are worried that two years after the Supreme Court barely upheld the law, this challenge might be the final blow."
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 6:36:33 AM

nstrdnvstr: <<<"So show us where specifically clear wording in the ObamaCare law states that President Obama can change enforcement dates at will or that the IRS can give subsidies to people that are in plans that are NOT run by the state.">>>

--As he has demonstrated, he is unable

Of course Passer was unable to provide that. Because Obama doesn't have that authority, but did it anyway.
Why else would there be a bunch of name calling from Passer right after.
That's what liberals do when confronted with illegal activity or incompetence from the Obama administration.
Obamas own people do that in that press. Its part of what they are.
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 5:01:14 AM

Passer, "Their great "accomplishment" is that they shut down the government for a few weeks -- enough for them to earn the distinct honor of "Anarchists of the Month"!"

Umm... no, the president shut down the government. He even (tried to) shut down Mount Vernon which is run by private money and not government dollars! He shut down the Veterans Memorial and had to increase security there (which cost more money) in order to "shut down" the open memorial.

Obama made the choice to shut down the government.
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 4:56:22 AM

EZExit, "<<<"Are those classes tuition free, subsidized by taxpayer dollars?">>>

--Only if you promise to vote early and vote often!"

But I don't live in Chicago!
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 1:26:32 AM

nstrdnvstr: <<<"So show us where specifically clear wording in the ObamaCare law states that President Obama can change enforcement dates at will or that the IRS can give subsidies to people that are in plans that are NOT run by the state.">>>

--As he has demonstrated, he is unable.

<<<"Are those classes tuition free, subsidized by taxpayer dollars?">>>

--Only if you promise to vote early and vote often!
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 2:57:13 PM

Passer said: "They have "learned" that it is easier to DESTROY or throw a bomb than to try to build something.

The last thing that they actually CREATED was noise and static."

Oh such a short memory you have!

Take a look at what the last administration built...an opportunity for 50 million Iraqis to live in peace and tranquility. Look who let that dream get totally DESTROYED...Obozo with his liberal "we'll pull the troops out and leave a stable Iraq" mentality. Watch what happens in Afghanistan now as Obozo apparently learned no lesson from his Iraq fiasco.

It's not worth building something if it's not functional. Who wants a car with 2 left wheels and no engine? That's what we got with ObozoCare. Yeah, you liberals "built" something, but it's as worthless as an elephant turd.

How about the billions wasted on energy projects like Solyndra and A123? Obozo seems to like to build things out of sand...they look good for a few weeks or so, then they totally collapse under their own weight.

What an absolutely sorry excuse for a president we now have!
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 2:04:21 PM

"Wheels coming off ObamaCare" What's in the Tea Party "wheelhouse"? Same as the Anarchists. They haven't been FOR anything but destruction!

Their great "accomplishment" is that they shut down the government for a few weeks -- enough for them to earn the distinct honor of "Anarchists of the Month"!

They have "learned" that it is easier to DESTROY or throw a bomb than to try to build something.

The last thing that they actually CREATED was noise and static.

Those who vote for them and their Anarchist brothers should be so proud.
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 11:03:03 AM

EZExit, "For more understanding of liberal doublespeak, your local college should offer courses in "Understanding Liberalism 101" as well as "Wealth Redistribution Tactics and Advanced Social Engineering 310" "

Are those classes tuition free, subsidized by taxpayer dollars?
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 11:01:09 AM

Passer "A law can delegate rules and regulations for its implementation to an executive or a department."

So show us where specifically clear wording in the ObamaCare law states that President Obama can change enforcement dates at will or that the IRS can give subsidies to people that are in plans that are NOT run by the state.
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