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calwdstk

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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 1:23:57 PM

Now that everyone is examining this law, they are finding out. Costs will rise for family's, some people will not be covered, namely children. Then the ultimate 9 Million less then predicted will be covered, and more. Read the full article on this from NY Times.

Wheels Coming Off - NYPOST
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 6:37:03 AM

Passer, "When the training wheels are completely off Obamacare and the Tea Party begins respecting the law of the land..."

Now THAT is funny!!!

That "law of the land" (ObamaCare) has been unilaterally changed (without the consent of Congress) hasn't it? Isn't Congress, according to the Constitution (the law of the land) supposed to write and change laws?
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 2:46:51 AM

ObamaCare Returns as an Election Albatross

10-22-14

opinion

"According to an Oct. 2 Gallup survey, 54% of Americans said the Affordable Care Act had hurt them and their families compared to 27% who said it had helped them.

The White House understands this, so it is not trumpeting the upcoming open-enrollment period when people can sign up for health coverage. Nor are White House officials crowing about last year’s eight million sign-ups, probably because insurance industry officials suggest that 10% or more never fully enrolled by paying their premiums."link to Gallup survey

[Edited by: mweyant at 10/24/2014 2:48:06 AM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 8:53:07 PM

So then you probably really didnt save as much as you thought and or your risk is higher.

When you are at 70 you will find that the increase in deductibles means more than if your younger and dont see the doc as much.
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mnrick041
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 8:46:04 PM

Obama claims the average American now saves $1800 a year on health insurance.

I am not. I saved a little this year by risking to select a higher deductible plan but my savings is only about $600 over the course of the year-If I do not have to get any medical care.
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Passer
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 2:42:37 PM

"public Aproval of Health Care Law
RCP average of all polls 9/4-10/14
38.9 Favor 51.3 Oppose

I suppose over half the country is biased, eh Passer? lol"

These figures "coincidentally" mirror Obama's current popularity polls. Yet, I hate to bring this up in a Tea Party dominated topic but even though Karl Rove, Fox's Ace Political Guru, still doesn't believe it or acknowledge it, Obama won two presidential elections. When the training wheels are completely off Obamacare and the Tea Party begins respecting the law of the land (as if hypocrites can change their stripes any faster than Zebras) even though it was passed with the help of their Kenyan who they know, hid his birth certificate and they will finally succeed in their goal of impeaching him within a few years (probably about 2 and one half), Obmacare will take hold with them or without them.

It is interesting that instead of drinking tea, the Tea Party members will have spent eight years of preferring sour grapes to their Tea. History will show that they have more in common with their brothers, the Anarchists, than any other American group outside of the Survivalists.





[Edited by: Passer at 10/22/2014 2:43:43 PM EST]
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reb4
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 8:12:29 AM

wow, how did you know that poster was gone streetrider????
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 8:07:52 AM

Sure reply to Buzz's comments after he is gone.

LMAO
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 8:04:44 AM

Buzz, ". "25% give it an A or B" does NOT translate into "25% favorable", because C and D are also passing grades... which means more like only 6% unfavorable... which means many doctors are not happy with being unable to overcharge for their services any more... but, they're far from starving, either... unlike many of their poorer customers..."

What, you don't think doctors have overhead? They have employees to pay, rent, electricity, water and many other bills to pay! That money has to come from somewhere! They also have college debt they have to pay, not to mention a family to support.

If you don't like paying for a doctor, treat yourself, it MAY end up costing even more money in the end.

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mweyant
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 5:25:31 AM

Affordable Care Act Fails to Address Physician Shortages - Here's How We Can Better Deal with This Challenge

10-21-04

Article from Forbes describes how to deal with yet another failing of the Affordable Care Act

"A recent groundbreaking simulation created by the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill (UNC) and funded by The Physicians Foundation shows that there will be drastic shortages of critical specialists and primary care physicians over the next five years unless states and the federal government take immediate action."
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BuzzLOL
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 11:24:57 AM

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< mweyant: "Only 25% give it a favorable review?"

. "25% give it an A or B" does NOT translate into "25% favorable", because C and D are also passing grades... which means more like only 6% unfavorable... which means many doctors are not happy with being unable to overcharge for their services any more... but, they're far from starving, either... unlike many of their poorer customers...
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Passer
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 11:00:25 AM

"Looks like the desperate lib is simply Passing gas on this topic!"

More like "Wheels Coming Off Diesel Trolls" because of Obamacare.

Somebody's 1980's engine [that sputters on Tea] should have been replaced long ago.

ROTFL


[Edited by: Passer at 10/20/2014 11:05:36 AM EST]
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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 9:30:46 AM

Looks like the desperate lib is simply Passing gas on this topic!

*ROTFL*
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 6:41:56 AM

teacher tim, don't confuse Passer with facts!

Passer, "That is a problem. In order to get it passed without any Republican support, even though Romneycare is its practical basis...

There are HUGE differences between Romneycare and ObamaCare. I see you are confused about that.

Massachusetts ditches RomneyCare health exchange

Romneycare Vs. Obamacare: Key Similarities & Differences
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 2:51:42 AM

public Aproval of Health Care Law
RCP average of all polls 9/4-10/14
38.9 Favor 51.3 Oppose

I suppose over half the country is biased, eh Passer? lol
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Passer
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 1:28:02 AM

oops, I meant "'think' tank".
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Passer
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 1:26:17 AM

"Singer practices general surgery in Phoenix, Arizona and is an adjunct scholar at the Cato Institute."

The Cato Institute is a Conservative Stink Tank that is virulently against all things Democratic. Asking them to comment about a Democrat (much less a horse of a different color ie Democrats in general but Obama specifically) is like asking a Klan member to offer an opinion about someone they just lynched --

but the Cato Institute would not be as sympathetic.
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 8:11:01 PM

Why doctors give Obamacare a failing grade

10-15-14

article is written by a doctor and appears in a blog

"Count me among the discontented. Obamacare has harmed too many of my patients."

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Passer
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 12:00:54 PM

"Only 25% give it a favorable review?"

That is a problem. In order to get it passed without any Republican support, even though Romneycare is its practical basis and it was supported by the GOP when Dole was its nominee back when the GOP was sane, there was a deal with the devil made, the health insurance companies. The companies were used to cheating the public to give their CEO's huge paydays. Now, with Obamacare they can't cheat the public so they take it out on the doctors.

It is a problem. But the solution isn't returning to the old status quo of cheating the public as much as that is in the GOP's interest and the way that party does business.

The public has Obama. The Doctors have their AMA. Let the GOP win back their patron they have been courting for the last 6 years, the devil. If they need help they can always ask the Tea Party who is said to have him in their pocket.
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 7:38:46 AM

Most doctors are not happy with Obamacare. I would say it was a problem since the doctors are forced into helping it continue.

Only 25% give it a favorable review?



[Edited by: mweyant at 10/19/2014 7:39:36 AM EST]
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BuzzLOL
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 7:33:48 AM

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< mweyant: "The grades aren't good. Only 25% of doctors give it an "A" or a "B" grade. Nearly half ( 46%) give it a "D" or an "F"." >

. OK, everyone can do that math:

A 15%

B 10%

C 29%

D 40%

F 6%

. Some doctors unhappy because their income is down with ObamaCare...

. Not our problem...
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 7:02:55 AM

Ask Your Doctor About Obama's Affordable Care Act

10-17-14

editorial

"You shouldn't judge the Affordable Care Act based on headlines or by listening to politicians or talking heads. I tried for a while, but only heard wildly conflicting stories that seemed to have little basis in reality.

Instead, you should ask someone who actually deals with the law on a daily basis — a doctor, for instance.

The Physicians Foundation did exactly that in its "2014 Survey of American Physicians," which was released last month. The survey, which reached over 80% of doctors in the U.S. and elicited responses from some 20,000, is doctors' collective report card on the Affordable Care Act's first four years.

The grades aren't good. Only 25% of doctors give it an "A" or a "B" grade. Nearly half ( 46%) give it a "D" or an "F"."
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 6:52:13 AM

Passer, "It sells Cancer policies ie "dread disease" policies. It shows how profitable any company no matter what you call it (I realize how important labels are to the GOP like "death panels" as if they had anything to do with health insurance but just by labeling something one can change reality) is. Because the unconscionable profit health insurance companies made by selling "dread disease" policies that more progressive states eventually outlawed (but still legal in 'buyer beware' States that were loath to outlaw even blood money profits) that exact figures are hidden..."

Nobody forces people to buy these policies, and as you now admit, you are wrong about the "75% profit by health insurance companies.
Oh, and I notice you said those were "pre-tax" earnings. What are the AFTER tax earnings?

Their NET margin is in the low teens, which is quite different that "75%", isn't it?
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2014 1:23:48 AM

Obamacare Kills 22,000 Health Plans In Colorado

10-17-14

"Udall, who voted for Obamacare and made the same debunked promises as President Obama that Americans could keep their health insurance plans, took heat earlier this year when emails suggested that his office tried to interfere with a state analysis of the number of plans cancelled by Obamacare. He was cleared of wrongdoing by a panel that refused to document its hearing."

more transparency
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2014 11:52:35 PM

It sells Cancer policies ie "dread disease" policies. It shows how profitable any company no matter what you call it (I realize how important labels are to the GOP like "death panels" as if they had anything to do with health insurance but just by labeling something one can change reality) is. Because the unconscionable profit health insurance companies made by selling "dread disease" policies that more progressive states eventually outlawed (but still legal in 'buyer beware' States that were loath to outlaw even blood money profits) that exact figures are hidden. But anyone who is not an axe grinder can see that I answered your question even if you and the GOP will never be satisfied with any factual answer that doesn't support their opinions.
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2014 11:44:01 PM

Yeah, Passer, I was certain that you would be unable counter my arguments, and I was not disappointed ;)
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2014 3:02:40 PM

Passer, ""Very profitable??? Explain, if you can, what net profit margin is "very profitable? Is it 2%? 5%? 10%?"

Getting US dread disease figures is difficult because it was so profitable it was embarrassing. But AFLAC's experience in Japan gives an answer:

** like 74% of the company's PRETAX OPERATING EARNINGS. **"

I can see where you are very confused. AFLAC is NOT a health insurance company. Their role is VERY different than that of United Health Care, Cigna, and Aetna, among others. In fact, AFLAC is in a completely different industry that health insurance companies.

You should really research companies, especially what they do before you provide examples, or maybe just read what you copied.

AFLAC sells SUPPLEMENTAL insurance, NOT health insurance!

Nice try though!


[Edited by: nstrdnvstr at 10/17/2014 3:04:47 PM EST]
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Passer
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2014 2:16:15 PM

"Very profitable??? Explain, if you can, what net profit margin is "very profitable? Is it 2%? 5%? 10%?"

Getting US dread disease figures is difficult because it was so profitable it was embarrassing. But AFLAC's experience in Japan gives an answer:

** like 74% of the company's PRETAX OPERATING EARNINGS. **


That's a lot of PROFIT even for Republicans: (Or Mid to Upper 20% Profit while writing Cancer Policies vs Industry average profit of 13%. That is nice, especially for Republicans, though for policyholders it might be looked at in a different light)

"By 1991, Aflac held 99% of a the cancer insurance market, according to March 1992 story in the Japanese business weekly Nikkei. By the end of 2001—the year that Japan deregulated its supplemental insurance market, allowing large insurers in the cancer market—Aflac Japan had more than 13 million policy owners. That year, Aflac Japan accounted for 74% of the company’s pretax operating earnings.

"Aflac’s prized position in the Japanese cancer market has continued to help power the firm’s explosive profitability in recent years. Aflac’s growth in return on equity (ROE), a key measure of profitability, has historically hovered in the mid-to-high-20% range annually. ROE growth for the insurance industry as a whole has been around 13% annually."

From http://qz.com/114832/aflac-japan-cancer-insurance/


Yes, the wheels had come off Obamacare. But history will report that they were only the TRAINING WHEELS.







[Edited by: Passer at 10/17/2014 2:18:07 PM EST]
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2014 9:48:04 PM

Passer, "But those "poicies" were a sham to begin with and almost worse than useless. Most of them were inferior Dread Disease policies (that were already outlawed in many states) such that they were very cheap but only included very specific coverage like a form of Cancer. Everything else was excluded and the chances of the insurance company paying off was astronomically low."

IF that was the case, how were they sold in said states? Each state has insurance regulators. So the states allowed illegal policies to be sold?

Don't think so!

"The policies that were cancelled were in every case substandard and had little chance of paying off but rather were designed to make the insurance companies very profitable."

Very profitable??? Explain, if you can, what net profit margin is "very profitable? Is it 2%? 5%? 10%?

Maybe you should do some research and find out exactly what the profit margin is at health insurance companies before you talk about them being "very profitable"!
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2014 6:38:25 PM

QuOte :::::;Let's face it, if ObamaCare© included the smothering of baby seals, you'd blindly support it as a good liberal, you are apparently incapable of thought for yourself,::::;


No truer words could be spoken.

Look at how many eagles, bats, and endangered raptors are killed by windmills each year. Thousands upon thousands. Yet because Obama has deemed windmills/green energy desirable, this slaughter is blindly supported by good liberals.

Can you imagine the uproar if Exxon, when building a pipeline, cut down a tree with an eagle nest? Or if a Koch Brothers drilling platform leaked crude oil and fouled a couple of pelicans?

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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2014 1:26:39 PM

Passer: <<<"Did you or even anyone you can document, ever collect one penny on that "insurance"?">>>

--Yes

<<<"May I suggest that the "insurance" company "enjoyed" that policy a bit more than you?">>>

--It is shared risk, it simply had a higher deductible with all or the same coverages as other quality plans.

<<<"At least they have your money and it would be very, very hard for you to get theirs no matter how "sick" you got.">>>

--If my insurance company was indeed a scam that would never pay any claims when I exceeded my high deductible, then why did Obama make them one of the preferred companies providing ObamaCare©? (BCBS)

Let's face it, if ObamaCare© included the smothering of baby seals, you'd blindly support it as a good liberal, you are apparently incapable of thought for yourself, and simply provide an echo chamber for the DNC. You're covered through one of the three scenarios I indicated in my previous post, and so your unaffected and unconcerned about what might happen to others.
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Message Posted: Oct 11, 2014 8:30:00 PM

"Meanwhile, as I get my cancellation letter, for my catastrophic health insurance that I chose and have enjoyed all these years,"

Did you or even anyone you can document, ever collect one penny on that "insurance"?

May I suggest that the "insurance" company "enjoyed" that policy a bit more than you? At least they have your money and it would be very, very hard for you to get theirs no matter how "sick" you got.
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Oct 11, 2014 1:35:46 PM

There you go... Passer, a devout liberal and Obama apologist compares the American consumer to "retarded" people, and the federal government to the knowledgeable big brother. How Freudian your slip becomes, you have been arguing against that assessment of liberals for years, and then come here today and prove our point, ROFL. Undoubtedly, Mr.Passer is someone unaffected by ObamaCare©, either as one of those government employees with Cadillac benefits, or as a professional entitlement collector, or even one of those exempt union members that have found favor with the DNC.

Meanwhile, as I get my cancellation letter, for my catastrophic health insurance that I chose and have enjoyed all these years, and mandated to buy substantially more insurance than I want, in order to help subsidize a government freebie to buy votes, I am supposed to be grateful to people that think like Passer that the public is too stupid to figure it out for themselves.

It was just a few hundred years ago that England figured the new colonies in America were too stupid to fight oppression. They always say history tends to be cyclical.

[Edited by: EZExit at 10/11/2014 1:42:17 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 11, 2014 1:18:51 PM

"The irony is more health insurance policies have been canceled under Obamacare than ever before."

But those "poicies" were a sham to begin with and almost worse than useless. Most of them were inferior Dread Disease policies (that were already outlawed in many states) such that they were very cheap but only included very specific coverage like a form of Cancer. Everything else was excluded and the chances of the insurance company paying off was astronomically low.

Now, of course its in the GOP's blood to "let the buyer beware" and let the foolish be swindled. It is in the Affordable Care Act position to not enable large insurance companies (with their lawyers who write the policies) to take advantage of the foolish -- and there are many, many foolish: the proof of that is in Republican election returns.

Let me be blunt: if you had a retarded brother would you subscribe to the Republican right of "let the buyer beware" in him buying a substandard health insurance policy that had little chance of him collecting if he got sick but instead was sold with the idea to make the insurance company a huge profit based even on hundreds of foolish people's deaths?

The policies that were cancelled were in every case substandard and had little chance of paying off but rather were designed to make the insurance companies very profitable. If your relative were a loser in this scheme you (even if you were Republican) would rightly try to change the law that made this blood profit so easy.

In spite of Republican "principles" to the contrary, an insurance company does not have a constitutional right to cheat even the foolish.

The only good reason that Republicans disagree is that to change their policy would be to lose too many of their constituents!




[Edited by: Passer at 10/11/2014 1:24:33 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 11, 2014 5:37:18 AM

Remember When Obamacare Would STOP Health Insurers From Canceling Policies?

10-10-14

opinion

"President Obama’s now-discredited assertion that “if you like your policy, you can keep it” has overshadowed another bogus promise: that his health care reform law would stop health insurers from canceling policies.

The difference between the two failed promises is that the first one was meant to reassure Americans who liked their health coverage that nothing in Obamacare would force them to lose it.

The second failed promise was an anti-health insurer ruse meant to fix something he thought was a huge problem: health insurers canceling policies. Obama wanted to assure you that if your policy was coming to the end of its term and you wanted to keep it the health insurer couldn’t cancel it. Insurers would be required to renew the policy, a provision known as “guaranteed renewability.”

The irony is more health insurance policies have been canceled under Obamacare than ever before."

The contributor goes on to support his beliefs with facts.
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Message Posted: Oct 10, 2014 1:43:32 AM

Louisiana Hit with Double-Digit Premium Increases Due to Obamacare

10-9-14

"Tens of thousands of Louisianans are bracing for double-digit health insurance premium hikes as high as 19.7% due to Obamacare.

The Times-Picayune reported on Wednesday that Louisiana's largest health insurer, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Louisiana, plans to increase the rates of its Blue Saver, Blue Max, and Multi-State individual plans sold on the state's Obamacare exchange between 18.3% and 19.7%.

The skyrocketing rates will hit 52,638 Louisiana residents.

Other insurers in the state are also moving forward with major premium increases.

Obama promised at least 19 times that Obamacare would reduce premiums $2,500 a year per family.

The latest Associated Press poll finds that just 30% of Americans support Obamacare."
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Message Posted: Oct 9, 2014 11:06:23 PM

"Nothing wrong with being white." The problem, if you included the whole quote and not just your out of context quote was the part that was not white "is just not a rabid Fox's 'cup of Tea'".

Yes, there is "nothing wrong with being white" to a rabid Fox. That's the point. But the part that isn't and is president is just not the GOP's "cup of Tea". And all the Tea Bags in China or America will not change that.

The wheels haven't come off Obamacare. But the spokes did and the road they landed was way Up Tea Party Pass.








[Edited by: Passer at 10/9/2014 11:07:29 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2014 7:10:41 PM

30,000 part time workers are about to lose their healthcare coverage. It may not have been the best but it was something. Now they will have nothing unless they pay for it all.

Wal-Mart Eliminates Health Care Insurance Coverage for Most Part-Time Workers
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2014 10:33:08 AM

QuOTE Passer :::the REAL problem is that Obama is a horse of a different color:::


Why are liberals hung up on Obama being a mixed breed? Half white. Nothing wrong with being white.
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2014 10:30:26 AM

QUOTE :::Funded by the Koch Brothers and the Bradley Foundation.
:::;


The Koch's are great role models and US patriots. I look to them for inspiration.
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Watchdog group?
Cause of Action, formerly known as Freedom Through Justice Foundation.
Funded by the Koch Brothers and the Bradley Foundation.
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Message Posted: Oct 7, 2014 4:34:12 AM

After One Year, Obamacare’s Biggest Achievement: Hiding Its Cost

10-3-14

"Despite eventual fixes to the website, higher-than-expected enrollment on the exchanges, and unwavering support from its defenders in the press, Obamacare remains unpopular.

At least part of the reason is that many Americans have discovered Obamacare coverage isn’t all that great. As new enrollees sought out medical care with their ACA-subsidized health insurance this year, they discovered the network of doctors and hospitals on those plans was woefully narrow. Insurers excluded many of the nation’s top cancer centers from exchange networks in an effort to keep premiums down. Patients across the country complained—and continue to complain—about inadequate access to physicians and hospitals, and some have been hit with huge medical bills after insurers refused to pay for care outside their narrow networks.

The Obama administration has long argued that coverage on the individual market prior to the ACA was “substandard”—deductibles were too high, pre-existing conditions shut sick people out of the market, and if you did get sick there was no guarantee your insurer would pay your medical bills. Obamacare was going to change all that through mandates, regulations, and subsidies. Although the law has indeed ameliorated some of these pre-ACA problems, it has also created many new ones. One recent study found that pre-ACA plans on the individual market—plans no longer allowed under the ACA—were superior to Obamacare exchange plans; many of them offered more choices of doctors and hospitals, and many had lower premiums, deductibles, and out-of-pocket maximums than even the cheapest exchange plans.

In a normal market, new entrants would naturally try to undercut existing plans to be competitive. At first glance that seems like what’s happening. After all, in an analysis of 2015 exchange rates in 16 major cities, 12 insurers that had benchmark plans in 2014 have either been undercut by new entrants or raised their rates (and in some cases, both). But this isn’t a normal market, and what’s happening isn’t healthy competition. New insurers are most likely underpricing their plans, knowing that the reinsurance and risk corridor programs will shield them from losses until, 2017 after which the programs expire and we get to find out how much these plans really cost."
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2014 4:47:49 AM

It is what it is -- ACORN. You can't make this stuff up. If ACORN still has viable entities, we have a problem. Sad to see that it is affecting the Affordable Care Act now. The ACA did not need this, nor do the people who want a decent health system. Punching bag? You gotta' be kidding.

Rotten Acorn

[Edited by: mweyant at 10/6/2014 4:52:36 AM EST]
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Passer
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2014 3:25:45 AM

ACORN references are just beating a dead horse, But the REAL problem is that Obama is a horse of a different color! AND that is just not a rabid Fox's "cup of Tea".





[Edited by: Passer at 10/6/2014 3:30:31 AM EST]
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Passer
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2014 3:20:34 AM

ACORN? The GOP punching bag?

"A poll released in November 2009 by the Public Policy Polling organization found that 52% of Republican Party members it surveyed, and 26% of respondents overall, believed in a conspiracy theory that ACORN "stole" the election for Barack Obama. The Democratic polling organization commented that this was somewhat higher than belief in the birther conspiracy theories.[78] (In a follow-poll in 2012, PPP found that almost as many Republicans, 49%, believed that ACORN had stolen the 2012 election for Obama, even though by then ACORN no longer existed.[79])" Wiki.org

That "Watchdog" has rabies from a Fox:

"...present a RISK of violating the law..." just a rightwing charge

Daniel Epstein, executive director for Cause of Action said to FoxNews.com."

That GOP opinion piece by mwe. would be more accurate if it also got a much needed rabies shot -- something Fox "news" should have had long ago!
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2014 3:12:22 AM

An ACORN by any other name, would smell as rancid.
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2014 3:04:44 AM

Watchdog claims union's legal fight reveals ObamaCare fraud

10-6-14

"A Texas union’s dirty laundry -- aired out in court when workers charged they were cheated out of overtime pay – also shows the labor organization ripped off taxpayers under a $1.3 million contract to sign people up for ObamaCare, a watchdog group is claiming.

Non-profit group Southern United Neighborhoods got a $1.3 million federal grant in 2013 to serve as a "navigator," enrolling people in Affordable Care Act coverage. The group subcontracted with United Labor Unions Local 100, which, according to Cause of Action, paid members less than it billed the government and, in some cases, paid them to recruit union members. The watchdog group discovered the alleged discrepancy in court papers filed by union workers suing the labor organization for unpaid overtime.

“Southern United Neighborhoods and ULU Local 100, both rebranded ACORN entities, present a risk of violating the law – this time by potentially misusing over $1.3 million of taxpayer dollars for union activities instead of enrolling individuals in the Affordable Care Act,” Daniel Epstein, executive director for Cause of Action said to FoxNews.com."

ACORN affiliated with Obamacare? You don't say . . .
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Passer
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Message Posted: Oct 4, 2014 5:39:04 PM

"and even Obama's forked tongue can't spin away that much dirt."

BUT, the Tea Party spin (on Obamacare) is enough to make an Anarchist's face grin!

With that much TP spin they'll get to China in minutes thus guaranteeing enough Tea to drown Obamacare and enough Tea Bags to cover the Empire State Building's lights and every other light they can continue to darken to boot.






[Edited by: Passer at 10/4/2014 5:44:03 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 4, 2014 5:08:06 PM

Well a wheel was coming off my car, it turned out to be one of those cheap Chinese wheel bearings American car manufactures are using.

Next time its a Japanese car, at least they know how to make wheel bearing and don't use that cheap Chinese stuff.
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Oct 4, 2014 7:27:57 AM

District cuts hours amid health insurance cost concerns

10-1-14

"The Twin Falls School District says the Affordable Care Act is causing them to make tough decisions when it comes to some of their employees' hours.

The school board made the decision this spring to reduce paraprofessional hours from 30 a week down to 27.5 hours a week.

It affected 150 employees throughout the district, including positions like janitors, substitute teachers, and food service workers."

. . . and these are people who likely cannot afford this Affordable Care Act consequence.
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Message Posted: Oct 3, 2014 12:45:01 PM

Now this is news:
Judge: IRS Obamacare Rule 'Is Arbitrary, Capricious, and Abuse of Discretion'

"In his decision, U.S. District Judge Ronald White concluded Tuesday that the IRS rule altering the Obamacare law and providing billions in subsidies is "arbitrary, capricious and abuse of discretion":

"The court holds that the IRS rule is arbitrary, capricious, and abuse of discretion or otherwise not in accordance with law, pursuant to 5 U.S.C.706(2)(A), in excess of summary jurisdiction, authority or limitation, or short of statutory right, pursuant to 5 U.S.C. 706(2)(C), or otherwise is an invalidation of the ACA [Affordable Care Act], and is hereby vacated. The court's order of vacatur is stayed, however, pending resolution of any appeal from this order."

"Today's ruling is a consequential victory for the rule of law. The administration and its bureaucrats in the IRS handed out billions in illegal tax credits and subsidies and vastly expanded the reach of the health care law because they didn't like the way Congress wrote the Affordable Care Act. That's not how our system of government works."

"(Oklahome AG Scott)Pruitt said the ruling proves that the administration can't change a low by executive fiat:"

So the IRS' illegal subsidies have been challenged and defeated in court.
Next come more appeals.
How is this going to turn out?

"Currently, over a hundred lawsuits have been filed against Obamacare - and Obamacare has lost 91% of the cases decided to-date, (71 losses out of 78 decisions), according to the latest tally by The Beckett Fund."
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