mweyant
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Message Posted: May 21, 2013 5:45:57 AM
Americans beware -- ObamaCare expands how the IRS can hurt you
5-20-13
"When you file your taxes, you’ll have to attach proof of insurance and provide the insurer’s name and policy number to the IRS. When anything changes in your life, such as losing or changing your job, having a baby, or splitting with your spouse, the IRS will have to be notified. That’s the agency that determines whether your coverage meets government requirements, how much you have to contribute, and whether you are eligible for a subsidy.
And what about your medical privacy? Most of us confide things to our doctor we wouldn’t tell anyone else. Under the new law, doctors have to enter your medical history and treatments into an electronic data base. The goal is one national inter-operative system. Privacy advocates from the far left to the far right have been calling for privacy protections."
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mweyant
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Message Posted: May 18, 2013 2:40:14 AM
IRS Official in Charge During Tea Party Targeting Now Runs Health Care Office
5-6-13
the URL contains the word "blog"
"The Internal Revenue Service official in charge of the tax-exempt organizations at the time when the unit targeted tea party groups now runs the IRS office responsible for the health care legislation.
Sarah Hall Ingram served as commissioner of the office responsible for tax-exempt organizations between 2009 and 2012. But Ingram has since left that part of the IRS and is now the director of the IRS’ Affordable Care Act office, the IRS confirmed to ABC News today."
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 8:54:59 AM
Has anyone heard about some of the Cancer medication that may cost the recipient $2000/month..... Your government at work ....making it harder for you.
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mweyant
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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 4:44:38 AM
5-14-13
"The letter to Sebelius asks her to provide several pieces of information by May 27 related to the solicitations, including names of those contacted “in this unusual fundraising pitch” as well as phone logs and whether other agency officials were involved.
Committee Chairman Rep. Fred Upton, R-Mich., said: “Despite HHS’ insistence that the secretary did not directly ask for funds, one source said, ‘There was a clear insinuation by the administration that the insurers should give financially to the nonprofits.’ ”
The 11 companies receiving letters include insurance groups Cigna, Kaiser Permanente, United Healthcare and Blue Shield of California."
House committee to probe Sebelius soliciting money for ObamaCare signups
[Edited by: mweyant at 5/15/2013 4:47:55 AM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 1:17:04 PM
As long as HHS can 'shakedown' the industry all is well.....
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Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius has gone, hat in hand, to health industry officials, asking them to make large financial donations to help with the effort to implement President Obama’s landmark health-care law, two people familiar with the outreach said. Her unusual fundraising push comes after Congress repeatedly rejected the Obama administration’s requests for additional funds to set up the Affordable Care Act, leaving HHS to implement the president’s signature legislative accomplishment on what officials have described as a shoestring budget.
This has all the hallmarks of a shakedown. DrewM at Ace of Spades snarkily summarizes: "Hi I'm HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. You may recall I have tremendous discretionary power over your company and entire industry. Would you like to donate to my favorite cause? You would? Thank you so much." Obamacare vests Sebelius with an enormous amount of regulatory power; she has the ability to make life exceedingly difficult for any company that crosses her (recall her "zero tolerance" quote). "Friendly" requests for "voluntary" donations may not seem optional for companies who sense the HHS Sword of Damocles hanging over their heads. Administration spokesmen are predictably shrugging off accusations of extortion and insisting there's "nothing improper" to see here. Senior Republicans have a different take:<<<
I wonder - is there any thing this administration and its stooges thinks may be unethical or illegal??? Anything - anyone?????
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 9:39:03 AM
"Cancer patients could face high costs for medications under President Barack Obama's health care law, industry analysts and advocates warn.
Where you live could make a huge difference in what you'll pay.
To try to keep premiums low, some states are allowing insurers to charge patients a hefty share of the cost for expensive medications used to treat cancer, multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis and other life-altering chronic diseases.
Such "specialty drugs" can cost thousands of dollars a month, and in California, patients would pay up to 30 percent of the cost. For one widely used cancer drug, Gleevec, the patient could pay more than $2,000 for a month's supply, says the Leukemia & Lymphoma Society."Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/13/cancer-patients-could-face-high-costs-for-medications-under-obamacare-critics/?test=latestnews#ixzz2TBC8FEYH
Will people start migrating to states which WILL pay a higher proportion of the costs?
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: May 10, 2013 1:15:08 PM
We are getting all possible medical things done this year in case the company I work for has to drop health insurance completely next year. This is a very real possibility.
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Grizdad
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Message Posted: May 10, 2013 11:47:43 AM
It is going to start hitting working class Americans in the pocketbooks.
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mweyant
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Message Posted: May 10, 2013 3:44:27 AM
Republican leaders boycott controversial ObamaCare board
5-9-13
"The Republican leaders of the House and Senate announced Thursday that they will boycott the ObamaCare-created committee responsible for holding down Medicare costs, in a challenge to a controversial element of the health care overhaul.
The Individual Payment Advisory Board, or IPAB, has been described as a "death panel" by some of its fiercest critics. Though that epithet is not often used anymore to describe the panel, Republicans still say it would hurt seniors by forcing doctors to stop seeing patients.
House Speaker John Boehner and Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell, in a letter Thursday to President Obama, said they would refuse to recommend any nominees to the committee, reiterating that they think it should be repealed entirely.
They revived concerns that the panel would enforce Medicare cuts by reducing payments to providers and/or "eliminating" certain treatments."
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mweyant
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Message Posted: May 8, 2013 5:19:01 AM
Lawsuit claims Obamacare crushing small employers
5-7-13
"The 2010 Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act radically hikes small-business costs, impoverishes states and violates the plain language of the U.S. Constitution, claims a lawsuit filed Tuesday in Houston, Texas.
Steven F. Hotze, a Katy-based allergist and immunologist, says the Affordable Care Act, popularly called Obamacare, forces his wellness center to pay enormous costs for its 73 employees.
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The problem, said Hotze, is that the Affordable Care Act is forcing his small business to choose between either exorbitant per-employee penalties or exorbitant costs for health coverage the employees don’t want."
[Edited by: mweyant at 5/8/2013 5:19:39 AM EST]
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: May 6, 2013 11:19:33 AM
This reversal doesn't appear related to the economy, which has been consistently mediocre. Instead, all evidence points to the coming launch of ObamaCare, which the retail industry has warned would cause just such a result.
Starting in 2014, large employers will face nondeductible fines of up to $3,000 per full-time worker who gets subsidized coverage via ObamaCare exchanges because qualifying coverage isn't available via the workplace. Next year's fines will be influenced by staffing levels in the second half of 2013.
"One way for employers to minimize the costs of providing "affordable" coverage to modest-wage workers is to shift more work to part-time, defined as less than 30 hours per week under ObamaCare.
A multitude of companies have said they're considering a shift to more part-time work. Now, beyond the anecdotal reports, the ObamaCare effect is becoming evident in official data."Read More At Investor's Business Daily: http://news.investors.com/economy/text deleted
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: May 3, 2013 10:20:40 AM
jeskibuff - I can dream the Impossible Dream cant I?
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: May 3, 2013 9:59:12 AM
DE-Fund it.......NOW
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: May 3, 2013 8:11:48 AM
"Obama promised that you could keep your doctor!"
Not if he/she retires or quits practice. Or if they stop taking Medicare patients and that is the program you are on.
Just like the hollow promise from the Prez "If you like your current insurance you can keep it"
All health insurance policies (employer provided) are annual contracts and all provisions are subject to revision every year, including the cost.
Employers are facing the dichotomy of needing to pare back policy features due to cost, while having to offer almost everything under the sun because so many procedures and mandated to be covered. If the premiums get high enough, employers will be faced with paying a penalty because they offer "Cadillac" health plans. Because they are mandated to do so! It's a lose-lose Catch 22 situation.
The stink of this onerous law is just starting to permeate the fabric of our society.
[Edited by: I75at7AM at 5/3/2013 8:12:48 AM EST]
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: May 3, 2013 7:18:39 AM
randog said: >when the "middle class" sees the bill, hopefully they will wake up and stop voting for democrats.<
Don't bet on it. You just can't easily fix stupid!
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: May 3, 2013 7:16:01 AM
nstrdnvstr said: "Obama promised that you could keep your doctor!"
You can...it'll just cost you an arm and a leg to do so!
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: May 3, 2013 7:12:19 AM
flyboyUT said: "Never again will the govt be exempt from laws for the rest of us."
I wouldn't put money on that if I were you!
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Tru2psu2
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Message Posted: May 3, 2013 5:22:59 AM
Sooner we kill it the better!
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mweyant
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Message Posted: May 3, 2013 4:13:38 AM
South Carolina bill would make it a crime to implement ObamaCare
5-3-13
"The bill, approved Wednesday by a vote of 65-39, declares President Obama's signature legislation "null and void." Whereas the law that Obama pushed and Congress passed is known as the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, South Carolina's law would be known as the Freedom of Health Care Protection Act.
It would prohibit state officials and employees from "enforcing or attempting to enforce such unconstitutional laws" and "establish criminal penalties and civil liability" for those who engage in activities that aid the implementation of ObamaCare."
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 5:14:40 PM
It was just a matter of time, till congress came up with something like this, we all know, how they hate living under the rules that set for the rest of us.
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 5:08:18 PM
I don't know why congress would want to weasel out of ObamaCare© coverage... after all, it is the best thing since sliced bread AND it's free!
<sarcasm>
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 5:03:39 PM
Looks like the cons just said loudly - "you passed it you live with it"
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>>>Republican senators pushed back on the idea that Congress ought to receive an exemption from the health-care exchanges required under Obamacare, after Politico reported Thursday that leaders from both parties had been involved in negotiations to do just that for aides and lawmakers.
The report says that lawmakers are concerned that if aides’ health insurance premiums are not subsidized by their employer, the federal government, they could see those costs skyrocket to levels they might not be able to pay. It is not clear if under Obamacare, the federal government would be able to do so.
Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina issued a terse an disapproving statement.“Obamacare is a train wreck. Congress shouldn’t be able to get out of Obamacare until everyone else does,” he said.
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“I am strongly opposed to any effort to exempt Congress from the ObamaCare exchanges. I have consistently called for the full repeal of ObamaCare, but as long as it is the law of the land, Congress must be subject to it,” he said in a statement.
“It’s encouraging to see that Democrats in Congress are having second thoughts about their health care law, now that its disastrous consequences are hitting close to home. I hope Democrats will now come to the table and work with us to spare all Americans from skyrocketing health insurance premiums and the rest of ObamaCare’s taxes and mandates,” he added.
“All Americans ought to be exempt from the onerous and costly provisions of Obamacare, not just a select few,” said Sen. John Cornyn of Texas in a statement emailed to TheDC. “The only way to remedy this is to repeal the bill in its entirety.”<<<
I neither know nor care of all the intricate nuances of what Reid or anyone else thought. It is a delicious point in time. The concept of being hoist on your own petard is so much fun to watch.
Dems - you passed it via strange proceedures - now you live with it!
Never again will the govt be exempt from laws for the rest of us.
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Apr 25, 2013 5:21:18 AM
Lawmakers, aides may get Obamacare exemption
4-24-13
"Congressional leaders in both parties are engaged in high-level, confidential talks about exempting lawmakers and Capitol Hill aides from the insurance exchanges they are mandated to join as part of President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul, sources in both parties said.
The talks — which involve Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), the Obama administration and other top lawmakers — are extraordinarily sensitive, with both sides acutely aware of the potential for political fallout from giving carve-outs from the hugely controversial law to 535 lawmakers and thousands of their aides. Discussions have stretched out for months, sources said."
How do we spell "hypocrisy"?
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Apr 20, 2013 6:32:04 AM
Roofers Union Backtracks on Obamacare; Now Wants Repeal or Reform
4-19-13
"Despite initially backing President Barack Obama's Patient Protection and Affordable Healthcare Act, also known as Obamacare, which passed in 2010, the United Union of Roofers, Waterproofers and Allied Workers has reportedly become the first among unions that supported the law to call for its repeal.
In a Wall Street Journal report on Tuesday, Kinsey Robinson, international president of the union which represents some 22,000 commercial and industrial roofers, said some of its members were now in danger of losing their insurance coverage due to the increased costs of insuring individuals under the law."
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Apr 18, 2013 5:58:08 AM
Obamacare Reality: Doctor Shortage on the Way
4-17-13
"In fact, a recent Deloitte 2013 survey of U.S. physicians found 57% doctors view changes in the industry under health-care reform as a threat, and six in 10 physicians report it’s likely that many will retire earlier than planned in the next two to three years, fueling the shortage.
Here’s the Doctor, You Have 6 Minutes
Here’s the problem: the number of people in the patient pool will increase 12% next year, but the supply of doctors will hold steady. Patients are already waiting longer to see their physicians and spending less time with them than they have in the past, according to Rothschild. On average, Vitals found patients are waiting 6% longer to see their doctors and spending only six minutes in the exam room."
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Tru2psu2
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2013 6:26:00 AM
Truth comes out!
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Apr 14, 2013 5:33:27 AM
Death Panels for Babies in Obamacare? Kids With RSV Should Beware
4-11-13
"Each year RSV causes two million hospitalizations and 14,000 deaths. In addition, RSV disproportionately affects minority and especially African American babies, who, according to the Centers for Disease Control, are 59% percent more likely to be born prematurely than white infants.
While there is no vaccine for RSV, there is an FDA-approved treatment available. When it became available in 1997, the American Academy of Pediatrics issued evidence-based guidelines for its use, recommending that the treatment be administered once per month during outbreak season (an average of five months total).
But in 2009, with no clear medical evidence for doing so, the AAP both shrunk the pool of eligible infants and reduced the number of RSV treatments that would be made available – for some babies down to 3 doses, while for others as low as 1 dose. The only clear reason given was cost.
Unfortunately, the AAP’s guidelines are widely implemented by Medicaid and insurance providers, who in turn followed suit and greatly reduced coverage."
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Tru2psu2
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Message Posted: Apr 12, 2013 5:24:21 AM
what a mess...vote them all out!
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Apr 12, 2013 4:01:01 AM
UPTON: Obama budget's destructive impact on Medicaid
4-11-13
opinion
"Rather than modernizing the Medicaid program so that it could be flexible and adaptable to meet the health care needs of our nation's poorest and sickest, Obamacare offered no such options."
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2013 8:20:36 AM
noseatbelt, "I just found out today, that I may need to find another family doctor, they said the are thinking about not taking medicare people. unless some changes are made in obamacare. Thanks a bunch obama."
But Obama promised that you could keep your doctor!
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2013 1:48:21 AM
ObamaCare in Trouble? Exchange provision delayed, as lawmakers push to repeal another
4-3-13
"The Obama administration now says a special system of exchanges designed to make it easier for small businesses to provide insurance will be delayed an entire year -- to 2015.
"Lots of small businesses struggle with providing insurance for their workers so this was supposed to facilitate it and make it easier for small business to do this," said Jim Capretta of the Ethics and Public Policy Center. "It was a huge portion of the sale job. When they passed the law in 2010 there were many senators and members of Congress who were saying 'I am doing this because it's going to help small businesses.'"
The exchanges were designed to give workers a range of choices supported by dollars from their employers. But now they will have only one choice until 2015, which could mean they can't shop for insurance that includes their current providers. Capretta said the administration is "way" behind schedule.
Since insurance is more expensive for small businesses, many of which have no obligation under the law to provide coverage, analysts now fear many might just stop trying and let workers go on the soon-to-be-launched state exchanges.
Sara Teppema of the Society of Actuaries -- which did an exhaustive study of ObamaCare -- said that "even if it's just a small change of people who are leaving the employment-based insurance and coming into the individual insurance market, their costs and their numbers will overwhelm those who are currently uninsured."
That means costs would increase."
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1OILMAN
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 5:25:01 PM
It never had wheels, just fools.
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 2:52:26 PM
I had another dr apointment today, he said they are either going to drop medicare people, or raise the price of office calls to help pay for it.
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WES03
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 8:27:19 AM
The Devil is in the details.
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 5:27:51 AM
NFIB predicts job loss in WV from Affordable Care Act tax
3-31-13
"The National Federation of Independent Businesses says the Mountain State could lose close to 2,000 jobs from a tax in the Affordable Care Act.
The federation's recent study predicts 1,095 to 1,902 jobs lost by 2022 because of increased costs from the health insurance tax
This tax begins in 2014 and the federation says it could mean $100 billion in new taxes on small businesses, their employees and self-employed people in the next decade, the news release states.
The federation continued, saying the state's gross domestic product also may decrease and cumulative lost sales among small businesses could be approximately $290 million."
[Edited by: mweyant at 4/3/2013 5:29:22 AM EST]
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Apr 1, 2013 4:45:41 PM
I just found out today, that I may need to find another family doctor, they said the are thinking about not taking medicare people. unless some changes are made in obamacare. Thanks a bunch obama.
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Apr 1, 2013 10:08:51 AM
Lawsuit over health care tax could kill ‘Obamacare’
3-31-13
"The Supreme Court upheld most provisions of the act in June, but Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. took pains in the majority opinion to define Obamacare as a federal tax, not a mandate. That was when the Sacramento, Calif.-based foundation’s attorneys had their “aha” moment.
“The court there quite explicitly says, ‘This is not a law passed under the Commerce Clause; this is just a tax,’” foundation attorney Timothy Sandefur said at a Cato Institute forum on legal challenges to the health care act. “Well, then the Origination Clause ought to apply. The courts should not be out there carving in new exceptions to the Origination Clause.” "
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 3:30:58 PM
obamacare was designed to fail from day one. after it self destructs, obama will use it as a excuse to go to a single payer system, what he wanted all along.
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randog
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 9:03:29 AM
This thing will fail under its own weight. At some point there must be someone to pay for it, and when the "middle class" sees the bill, hopefully they will wake up and stop voting for democrats.
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 8:09:51 AM
Insurance prices are going up, not down as Obama promised. Over 6 million people will still not have insurance, and there will not be enough doctors to treat all these new patients!
ObamaCare is a disaster!
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I75at7AM
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Dayton
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Message Posted: Mar 29, 2013 12:25:00 AM
I think massive civil disobedience will be the end of this foolhardy extravaganza. By "civil disobedience" I mean millions of people will not have health insurance, will not buy health insurance, and will not have the money to pay the tax penalty. So they won't file their taxes at all.
Sorry to the tax preparers. Prepare to lose business.
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2013 10:53:13 PM
The Secret Republican Plan to Repeal Obamacare
3-28-13
"Think the war was over when the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the law? Mitch McConnell isn't ready to give up that easily.
. . .
"Constituent pressure is overriding the view that virtually all Democrats have had that Obamacare is sort of like the Ten Commandments, handed down and every piece of it is sacred and you can't possibly change any of it ever," McConnell said. "When you see that begin to crack then you know the facade is breaking up." "
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Mar 24, 2013 11:35:35 AM
The fool ObamaCare law must necessarily fail. After all, there's not enough money in America to pay for everyone to be cared for for everything. It just isn't going to happen. So like GB or Canada, we will ultimately have to ration care. There's no possible way around that. And I wonder how some fool liberals around here are going to spin that one? Would you suspect even one of the far lefties will say: "Yeah, you're right, it's not working as I thought it would, we need to modify or scrap it"? Hell no! They'll simply claim that it wasn't administered properly, or that the Republicans are somehow obstructionist and they prevented it from working or what have you.
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e_jeepin
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Message Posted: Mar 24, 2013 4:40:31 AM
Single payer = rationing
Health care rations will be allocated by a political appointee and government "career administrators".
Democrats will remain that political appointee as every election cycle will be won by "dont vote Republican, they will take your healthcare away"
Great system
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2013 11:46:43 PM
Obamacare vs. Jobs Prepared by the Energy and Commerce Committee, Majority Staff
3-22-13
"This report examines how mandates, regulations, and cost increases resulting from the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) affect job creation and the security of employer-provided health insurance coverage. The law affects job creators and job seekers in several ways, through direct and indirect measures as well as through the creation of perverse incentives. For example, unfair taxes imposed by the new law are resulting in layoffs and jobs are being shipped overseas. Part time jobs are supplanting full time opportunities. Employers have more incentive financially to jettison employee health care. The most significant changes for America’s employers and workers are programmed to take effect in 2013 and 2014, but empirical evidence of the law’s negative impact on job growth has emerged even before these provisions are in place."
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ministorage
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2013 11:46:02 PM
"A lot of meaningless prattlin goin on here"
Whenever I see one of your posts, that's exactly what I'm thinking.
*ROTFL*
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worryfree
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2013 9:52:11 PM
A lot of meaningless prattlin goin on here
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2013 8:50:07 PM
Parts of the public are revolting already.
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michaelphoenix2
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2013 8:43:23 PM
Hopefully we can get single payer during one of President Hillary Clinton's terms.
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e_jeepin
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Message Posted: Mar 23, 2013 8:27:43 PM
The liberals were only in it for their greedy self interest. Obamacare was bribery. Take money from others so that their voter base gets free healthcare.
As this piece of crap is currently written, urban voters and the poor will have free healthcare, fully subsidized.
Who pays for this? Those of us who can't afford $1600 month govt plan, pay the $2000 penalty to the IRS -- and go without healthcare!
We wont be able to buy a private plan because Obamacare mandates are too expensive, our rates will be $800 month for lousy coverage.
So most working Americans will opt to go without (while non-working gets full coverage)
Obamacare is a turd, Democrats will lose when the public revolt against them.
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