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calwdstk

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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 1:23:57 PM

Now that everyone is examining this law, they are finding out. Costs will rise for family's, some people will not be covered, namely children. Then the ultimate 9 Million less then predicted will be covered, and more. Read the full article on this from NY Times.

Wheels Coming Off - NYPOST
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theTower
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 6:36:33 AM

nstrdnvstr: <<<"So show us where specifically clear wording in the ObamaCare law states that President Obama can change enforcement dates at will or that the IRS can give subsidies to people that are in plans that are NOT run by the state.">>>

--As he has demonstrated, he is unable

Of course Passer was unable to provide that. Because Obama doesn't have that authority, but did it anyway.
Why else would there be a bunch of name calling from Passer right after.
That's what liberals do when confronted with illegal activity or incompetence from the Obama administration.
Obamas own people do that in that press. Its part of what they are.
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 5:01:14 AM

Passer, "Their great "accomplishment" is that they shut down the government for a few weeks -- enough for them to earn the distinct honor of "Anarchists of the Month"!"

Umm... no, the president shut down the government. He even (tried to) shut down Mount Vernon which is run by private money and not government dollars! He shut down the Veterans Memorial and had to increase security there (which cost more money) in order to "shut down" the open memorial.

Obama made the choice to shut down the government.
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 4:56:22 AM

EZExit, "<<<"Are those classes tuition free, subsidized by taxpayer dollars?">>>

--Only if you promise to vote early and vote often!"

But I don't live in Chicago!
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 1:26:32 AM

nstrdnvstr: <<<"So show us where specifically clear wording in the ObamaCare law states that President Obama can change enforcement dates at will or that the IRS can give subsidies to people that are in plans that are NOT run by the state.">>>

--As he has demonstrated, he is unable.

<<<"Are those classes tuition free, subsidized by taxpayer dollars?">>>

--Only if you promise to vote early and vote often!
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 2:57:13 PM

Passer said: "They have "learned" that it is easier to DESTROY or throw a bomb than to try to build something.

The last thing that they actually CREATED was noise and static."

Oh such a short memory you have!

Take a look at what the last administration built...an opportunity for 50 million Iraqis to live in peace and tranquility. Look who let that dream get totally DESTROYED...Obozo with his liberal "we'll pull the troops out and leave a stable Iraq" mentality. Watch what happens in Afghanistan now as Obozo apparently learned no lesson from his Iraq fiasco.

It's not worth building something if it's not functional. Who wants a car with 2 left wheels and no engine? That's what we got with ObozoCare. Yeah, you liberals "built" something, but it's as worthless as an elephant turd.

How about the billions wasted on energy projects like Solyndra and A123? Obozo seems to like to build things out of sand...they look good for a few weeks or so, then they totally collapse under their own weight.

What an absolutely sorry excuse for a president we now have!
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Passer
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 2:04:21 PM

"Wheels coming off ObamaCare" What's in the Tea Party "wheelhouse"? Same as the Anarchists. They haven't been FOR anything but destruction!

Their great "accomplishment" is that they shut down the government for a few weeks -- enough for them to earn the distinct honor of "Anarchists of the Month"!

They have "learned" that it is easier to DESTROY or throw a bomb than to try to build something.

The last thing that they actually CREATED was noise and static.

Those who vote for them and their Anarchist brothers should be so proud.
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 11:03:03 AM

EZExit, "For more understanding of liberal doublespeak, your local college should offer courses in "Understanding Liberalism 101" as well as "Wealth Redistribution Tactics and Advanced Social Engineering 310" "

Are those classes tuition free, subsidized by taxpayer dollars?
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 11:01:09 AM

Passer "A law can delegate rules and regulations for its implementation to an executive or a department."

So show us where specifically clear wording in the ObamaCare law states that President Obama can change enforcement dates at will or that the IRS can give subsidies to people that are in plans that are NOT run by the state.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 10:28:32 AM

Jesk, or this one:
this one

It fits what greentre posted also.
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greentre
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 9:46:17 AM

Just a couple of logs to toss on the pyre.

My deductible and co-pays amounts have doubled since the passage of 0bamaCare.

Here's a sad note:

"The deck seems stacked against those who most need coverage.

Wylene Gary of Yazoo City, who works in a low-paying restaurant job, paid a $129 premium as soon as Obamacare became available. Her card arrived with the notification that she would be responsible for a $6,000 deductible and 40 percent co-pay.

"This ain't worth a tooth," she said and canceled her coverage, Gary told Politico."
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2014 8:58:20 PM

Look who's scared now!
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2014 12:19:51 PM

Uh-oh!

Now that bastion of liberal "intelligence", The New York Times, is reporting how patients are paying more for less care now that ObozoCare is law of the land.

Looks like the insurers are the ones who are really enjoying ObozoCare. They get to charge higher premiums and pay out less. Just another "unintended consequence" of liberal idiocy, eh?

[Edited by: jeskibuff at 10/28/2014 12:20:45 PM EST]
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Passer
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2014 10:10:06 PM

"Technically, congress voted on a bill, and it became law, but the particulars are meaningless."

Reactionaries and the Tea Party say they respect the Constitution but what they fail to say,

"only when we agree with it"!

If there is something in the law they don't like, quote "...the particulars are meaningless."

Couldn't have been said any better by an Anarchist, the Tea Party's elder brothers!
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2014 2:40:32 AM

Nstrdnvstr, what Passer apparently believes, is that congress is only involved enough to vote for socialized medicine, and then the executive branch can modify it any way, shape, or form, as they see fit. Technically, congress voted on a bill, and it became law, but the particulars are meaningless. It is the same thought process that authorized the current war started by Obama on ISIS, because congress had authorized military action upon Al Qaeda in 2001. You see, congress authorized this action on a radical Muslim group 13 years ago, so any actions on any radical Muslim groups are automatically OK'd till the end of time.

For more understanding of liberal doublespeak, your local college should offer courses in "Understanding Liberalism 101" as well as "Wealth Redistribution Tactics and Advanced Social Engineering 310"
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Passer
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2014 2:10:48 AM

typo: 2/3 [of congress and 3/4] of States ratify...
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Passer
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 8:19:48 PM

" Isn't Congress, according to the Constitution (the law of the land) supposed to write and change laws?"

A law can delegate rules and regulations for its implementation to an executive or a department. The fact that crybabies don't like a law and threaten to hold their breath until it is changed so that they are satisfied, doesn't make it any less of a law or any less legal.

Even a Constitutional Amendment can DELEGATE to Congress by simple majority vote (which is not how an amendment is originally ratified) how to implement the amendment and to write rules and regulations that are not specifically in the originally passed by Congress and ratified by 2/3 of the States' document.

But one would have to know the Constitution to understand that, not just give it to its rabble to only use as a club against its made up enemies or to spill Tea on the Constitution so the less educated Tea Party supporters can be fooled and tricked and brainwashed into voting for its Bizarro "understanding".
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 6:37:03 AM

Passer, "When the training wheels are completely off Obamacare and the Tea Party begins respecting the law of the land..."

Now THAT is funny!!!

That "law of the land" (ObamaCare) has been unilaterally changed (without the consent of Congress) hasn't it? Isn't Congress, according to the Constitution (the law of the land) supposed to write and change laws?
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 2:46:51 AM

ObamaCare Returns as an Election Albatross

10-22-14

opinion

"According to an Oct. 2 Gallup survey, 54% of Americans said the Affordable Care Act had hurt them and their families compared to 27% who said it had helped them.

The White House understands this, so it is not trumpeting the upcoming open-enrollment period when people can sign up for health coverage. Nor are White House officials crowing about last year’s eight million sign-ups, probably because insurance industry officials suggest that 10% or more never fully enrolled by paying their premiums."link to Gallup survey

[Edited by: mweyant at 10/24/2014 2:48:06 AM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 8:53:07 PM

So then you probably really didnt save as much as you thought and or your risk is higher.

When you are at 70 you will find that the increase in deductibles means more than if your younger and dont see the doc as much.
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mnrick041
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 8:46:04 PM

Obama claims the average American now saves $1800 a year on health insurance.

I am not. I saved a little this year by risking to select a higher deductible plan but my savings is only about $600 over the course of the year-If I do not have to get any medical care.
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Passer
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 2:42:37 PM

"public Aproval of Health Care Law
RCP average of all polls 9/4-10/14
38.9 Favor 51.3 Oppose

I suppose over half the country is biased, eh Passer? lol"

These figures "coincidentally" mirror Obama's current popularity polls. Yet, I hate to bring this up in a Tea Party dominated topic but even though Karl Rove, Fox's Ace Political Guru, still doesn't believe it or acknowledge it, Obama won two presidential elections. When the training wheels are completely off Obamacare and the Tea Party begins respecting the law of the land (as if hypocrites can change their stripes any faster than Zebras) even though it was passed with the help of their Kenyan who they know, hid his birth certificate and they will finally succeed in their goal of impeaching him within a few years (probably about 2 and one half), Obmacare will take hold with them or without them.

It is interesting that instead of drinking tea, the Tea Party members will have spent eight years of preferring sour grapes to their Tea. History will show that they have more in common with their brothers, the Anarchists, than any other American group outside of the Survivalists.





[Edited by: Passer at 10/22/2014 2:43:43 PM EST]
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reb4
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 8:12:29 AM

wow, how did you know that poster was gone streetrider????
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 8:07:52 AM

Sure reply to Buzz's comments after he is gone.

LMAO
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 8:04:44 AM

Buzz, ". "25% give it an A or B" does NOT translate into "25% favorable", because C and D are also passing grades... which means more like only 6% unfavorable... which means many doctors are not happy with being unable to overcharge for their services any more... but, they're far from starving, either... unlike many of their poorer customers..."

What, you don't think doctors have overhead? They have employees to pay, rent, electricity, water and many other bills to pay! That money has to come from somewhere! They also have college debt they have to pay, not to mention a family to support.

If you don't like paying for a doctor, treat yourself, it MAY end up costing even more money in the end.

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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 5:25:31 AM

Affordable Care Act Fails to Address Physician Shortages - Here's How We Can Better Deal with This Challenge

10-21-04

Article from Forbes describes how to deal with yet another failing of the Affordable Care Act

"A recent groundbreaking simulation created by the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill (UNC) and funded by The Physicians Foundation shows that there will be drastic shortages of critical specialists and primary care physicians over the next five years unless states and the federal government take immediate action."
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BuzzLOL
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 11:24:57 AM

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< mweyant: "Only 25% give it a favorable review?"

. "25% give it an A or B" does NOT translate into "25% favorable", because C and D are also passing grades... which means more like only 6% unfavorable... which means many doctors are not happy with being unable to overcharge for their services any more... but, they're far from starving, either... unlike many of their poorer customers...
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 11:00:25 AM

"Looks like the desperate lib is simply Passing gas on this topic!"

More like "Wheels Coming Off Diesel Trolls" because of Obamacare.

Somebody's 1980's engine [that sputters on Tea] should have been replaced long ago.

ROTFL


[Edited by: Passer at 10/20/2014 11:05:36 AM EST]
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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 9:30:46 AM

Looks like the desperate lib is simply Passing gas on this topic!

*ROTFL*
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 6:41:56 AM

teacher tim, don't confuse Passer with facts!

Passer, "That is a problem. In order to get it passed without any Republican support, even though Romneycare is its practical basis...

There are HUGE differences between Romneycare and ObamaCare. I see you are confused about that.

Massachusetts ditches RomneyCare health exchange

Romneycare Vs. Obamacare: Key Similarities & Differences
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 2:51:42 AM

public Aproval of Health Care Law
RCP average of all polls 9/4-10/14
38.9 Favor 51.3 Oppose

I suppose over half the country is biased, eh Passer? lol
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Passer
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 1:28:02 AM

oops, I meant "'think' tank".
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Passer
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 1:26:17 AM

"Singer practices general surgery in Phoenix, Arizona and is an adjunct scholar at the Cato Institute."

The Cato Institute is a Conservative Stink Tank that is virulently against all things Democratic. Asking them to comment about a Democrat (much less a horse of a different color ie Democrats in general but Obama specifically) is like asking a Klan member to offer an opinion about someone they just lynched --

but the Cato Institute would not be as sympathetic.
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 8:11:01 PM

Why doctors give Obamacare a failing grade

10-15-14

article is written by a doctor and appears in a blog

"Count me among the discontented. Obamacare has harmed too many of my patients."

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Passer
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 12:00:54 PM

"Only 25% give it a favorable review?"

That is a problem. In order to get it passed without any Republican support, even though Romneycare is its practical basis and it was supported by the GOP when Dole was its nominee back when the GOP was sane, there was a deal with the devil made, the health insurance companies. The companies were used to cheating the public to give their CEO's huge paydays. Now, with Obamacare they can't cheat the public so they take it out on the doctors.

It is a problem. But the solution isn't returning to the old status quo of cheating the public as much as that is in the GOP's interest and the way that party does business.

The public has Obama. The Doctors have their AMA. Let the GOP win back their patron they have been courting for the last 6 years, the devil. If they need help they can always ask the Tea Party who is said to have him in their pocket.
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 7:38:46 AM

Most doctors are not happy with Obamacare. I would say it was a problem since the doctors are forced into helping it continue.

Only 25% give it a favorable review?



[Edited by: mweyant at 10/19/2014 7:39:36 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 7:33:48 AM

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< mweyant: "The grades aren't good. Only 25% of doctors give it an "A" or a "B" grade. Nearly half ( 46%) give it a "D" or an "F"." >

. OK, everyone can do that math:

A 15%

B 10%

C 29%

D 40%

F 6%

. Some doctors unhappy because their income is down with ObamaCare...

. Not our problem...
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 7:02:55 AM

Ask Your Doctor About Obama's Affordable Care Act

10-17-14

editorial

"You shouldn't judge the Affordable Care Act based on headlines or by listening to politicians or talking heads. I tried for a while, but only heard wildly conflicting stories that seemed to have little basis in reality.

Instead, you should ask someone who actually deals with the law on a daily basis — a doctor, for instance.

The Physicians Foundation did exactly that in its "2014 Survey of American Physicians," which was released last month. The survey, which reached over 80% of doctors in the U.S. and elicited responses from some 20,000, is doctors' collective report card on the Affordable Care Act's first four years.

The grades aren't good. Only 25% of doctors give it an "A" or a "B" grade. Nearly half ( 46%) give it a "D" or an "F"."
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 6:52:13 AM

Passer, "It sells Cancer policies ie "dread disease" policies. It shows how profitable any company no matter what you call it (I realize how important labels are to the GOP like "death panels" as if they had anything to do with health insurance but just by labeling something one can change reality) is. Because the unconscionable profit health insurance companies made by selling "dread disease" policies that more progressive states eventually outlawed (but still legal in 'buyer beware' States that were loath to outlaw even blood money profits) that exact figures are hidden..."

Nobody forces people to buy these policies, and as you now admit, you are wrong about the "75% profit by health insurance companies.
Oh, and I notice you said those were "pre-tax" earnings. What are the AFTER tax earnings?

Their NET margin is in the low teens, which is quite different that "75%", isn't it?
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Message Posted: Oct 18, 2014 1:23:48 AM

Obamacare Kills 22,000 Health Plans In Colorado

10-17-14

"Udall, who voted for Obamacare and made the same debunked promises as President Obama that Americans could keep their health insurance plans, took heat earlier this year when emails suggested that his office tried to interfere with a state analysis of the number of plans cancelled by Obamacare. He was cleared of wrongdoing by a panel that refused to document its hearing."

more transparency
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2014 11:52:35 PM

It sells Cancer policies ie "dread disease" policies. It shows how profitable any company no matter what you call it (I realize how important labels are to the GOP like "death panels" as if they had anything to do with health insurance but just by labeling something one can change reality) is. Because the unconscionable profit health insurance companies made by selling "dread disease" policies that more progressive states eventually outlawed (but still legal in 'buyer beware' States that were loath to outlaw even blood money profits) that exact figures are hidden. But anyone who is not an axe grinder can see that I answered your question even if you and the GOP will never be satisfied with any factual answer that doesn't support their opinions.
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2014 11:44:01 PM

Yeah, Passer, I was certain that you would be unable counter my arguments, and I was not disappointed ;)
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2014 3:02:40 PM

Passer, ""Very profitable??? Explain, if you can, what net profit margin is "very profitable? Is it 2%? 5%? 10%?"

Getting US dread disease figures is difficult because it was so profitable it was embarrassing. But AFLAC's experience in Japan gives an answer:

** like 74% of the company's PRETAX OPERATING EARNINGS. **"

I can see where you are very confused. AFLAC is NOT a health insurance company. Their role is VERY different than that of United Health Care, Cigna, and Aetna, among others. In fact, AFLAC is in a completely different industry that health insurance companies.

You should really research companies, especially what they do before you provide examples, or maybe just read what you copied.

AFLAC sells SUPPLEMENTAL insurance, NOT health insurance!

Nice try though!


[Edited by: nstrdnvstr at 10/17/2014 3:04:47 PM EST]
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Passer
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Message Posted: Oct 17, 2014 2:16:15 PM

"Very profitable??? Explain, if you can, what net profit margin is "very profitable? Is it 2%? 5%? 10%?"

Getting US dread disease figures is difficult because it was so profitable it was embarrassing. But AFLAC's experience in Japan gives an answer:

** like 74% of the company's PRETAX OPERATING EARNINGS. **


That's a lot of PROFIT even for Republicans: (Or Mid to Upper 20% Profit while writing Cancer Policies vs Industry average profit of 13%. That is nice, especially for Republicans, though for policyholders it might be looked at in a different light)

"By 1991, Aflac held 99% of a the cancer insurance market, according to March 1992 story in the Japanese business weekly Nikkei. By the end of 2001—the year that Japan deregulated its supplemental insurance market, allowing large insurers in the cancer market—Aflac Japan had more than 13 million policy owners. That year, Aflac Japan accounted for 74% of the company’s pretax operating earnings.

"Aflac’s prized position in the Japanese cancer market has continued to help power the firm’s explosive profitability in recent years. Aflac’s growth in return on equity (ROE), a key measure of profitability, has historically hovered in the mid-to-high-20% range annually. ROE growth for the insurance industry as a whole has been around 13% annually."

From http://qz.com/114832/aflac-japan-cancer-insurance/


Yes, the wheels had come off Obamacare. But history will report that they were only the TRAINING WHEELS.







[Edited by: Passer at 10/17/2014 2:18:07 PM EST]
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2014 9:48:04 PM

Passer, "But those "poicies" were a sham to begin with and almost worse than useless. Most of them were inferior Dread Disease policies (that were already outlawed in many states) such that they were very cheap but only included very specific coverage like a form of Cancer. Everything else was excluded and the chances of the insurance company paying off was astronomically low."

IF that was the case, how were they sold in said states? Each state has insurance regulators. So the states allowed illegal policies to be sold?

Don't think so!

"The policies that were cancelled were in every case substandard and had little chance of paying off but rather were designed to make the insurance companies very profitable."

Very profitable??? Explain, if you can, what net profit margin is "very profitable? Is it 2%? 5%? 10%?

Maybe you should do some research and find out exactly what the profit margin is at health insurance companies before you talk about them being "very profitable"!
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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2014 6:38:25 PM

QuOte :::::;Let's face it, if ObamaCare© included the smothering of baby seals, you'd blindly support it as a good liberal, you are apparently incapable of thought for yourself,::::;


No truer words could be spoken.

Look at how many eagles, bats, and endangered raptors are killed by windmills each year. Thousands upon thousands. Yet because Obama has deemed windmills/green energy desirable, this slaughter is blindly supported by good liberals.

Can you imagine the uproar if Exxon, when building a pipeline, cut down a tree with an eagle nest? Or if a Koch Brothers drilling platform leaked crude oil and fouled a couple of pelicans?

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Message Posted: Oct 12, 2014 1:26:39 PM

Passer: <<<"Did you or even anyone you can document, ever collect one penny on that "insurance"?">>>

--Yes

<<<"May I suggest that the "insurance" company "enjoyed" that policy a bit more than you?">>>

--It is shared risk, it simply had a higher deductible with all or the same coverages as other quality plans.

<<<"At least they have your money and it would be very, very hard for you to get theirs no matter how "sick" you got.">>>

--If my insurance company was indeed a scam that would never pay any claims when I exceeded my high deductible, then why did Obama make them one of the preferred companies providing ObamaCare©? (BCBS)

Let's face it, if ObamaCare© included the smothering of baby seals, you'd blindly support it as a good liberal, you are apparently incapable of thought for yourself, and simply provide an echo chamber for the DNC. You're covered through one of the three scenarios I indicated in my previous post, and so your unaffected and unconcerned about what might happen to others.
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Passer
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Message Posted: Oct 11, 2014 8:30:00 PM

"Meanwhile, as I get my cancellation letter, for my catastrophic health insurance that I chose and have enjoyed all these years,"

Did you or even anyone you can document, ever collect one penny on that "insurance"?

May I suggest that the "insurance" company "enjoyed" that policy a bit more than you? At least they have your money and it would be very, very hard for you to get theirs no matter how "sick" you got.
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Oct 11, 2014 1:35:46 PM

There you go... Passer, a devout liberal and Obama apologist compares the American consumer to "retarded" people, and the federal government to the knowledgeable big brother. How Freudian your slip becomes, you have been arguing against that assessment of liberals for years, and then come here today and prove our point, ROFL. Undoubtedly, Mr.Passer is someone unaffected by ObamaCare©, either as one of those government employees with Cadillac benefits, or as a professional entitlement collector, or even one of those exempt union members that have found favor with the DNC.

Meanwhile, as I get my cancellation letter, for my catastrophic health insurance that I chose and have enjoyed all these years, and mandated to buy substantially more insurance than I want, in order to help subsidize a government freebie to buy votes, I am supposed to be grateful to people that think like Passer that the public is too stupid to figure it out for themselves.

It was just a few hundred years ago that England figured the new colonies in America were too stupid to fight oppression. They always say history tends to be cyclical.

[Edited by: EZExit at 10/11/2014 1:42:17 PM EST]
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Passer
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Message Posted: Oct 11, 2014 1:18:51 PM

"The irony is more health insurance policies have been canceled under Obamacare than ever before."

But those "poicies" were a sham to begin with and almost worse than useless. Most of them were inferior Dread Disease policies (that were already outlawed in many states) such that they were very cheap but only included very specific coverage like a form of Cancer. Everything else was excluded and the chances of the insurance company paying off was astronomically low.

Now, of course its in the GOP's blood to "let the buyer beware" and let the foolish be swindled. It is in the Affordable Care Act position to not enable large insurance companies (with their lawyers who write the policies) to take advantage of the foolish -- and there are many, many foolish: the proof of that is in Republican election returns.

Let me be blunt: if you had a retarded brother would you subscribe to the Republican right of "let the buyer beware" in him buying a substandard health insurance policy that had little chance of him collecting if he got sick but instead was sold with the idea to make the insurance company a huge profit based even on hundreds of foolish people's deaths?

The policies that were cancelled were in every case substandard and had little chance of paying off but rather were designed to make the insurance companies very profitable. If your relative were a loser in this scheme you (even if you were Republican) would rightly try to change the law that made this blood profit so easy.

In spite of Republican "principles" to the contrary, an insurance company does not have a constitutional right to cheat even the foolish.

The only good reason that Republicans disagree is that to change their policy would be to lose too many of their constituents!




[Edited by: Passer at 10/11/2014 1:24:33 PM EST]
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Oct 11, 2014 5:37:18 AM

Remember When Obamacare Would STOP Health Insurers From Canceling Policies?

10-10-14

opinion

"President Obama’s now-discredited assertion that “if you like your policy, you can keep it” has overshadowed another bogus promise: that his health care reform law would stop health insurers from canceling policies.

The difference between the two failed promises is that the first one was meant to reassure Americans who liked their health coverage that nothing in Obamacare would force them to lose it.

The second failed promise was an anti-health insurer ruse meant to fix something he thought was a huge problem: health insurers canceling policies. Obama wanted to assure you that if your policy was coming to the end of its term and you wanted to keep it the health insurer couldn’t cancel it. Insurers would be required to renew the policy, a provision known as “guaranteed renewability.”

The irony is more health insurance policies have been canceled under Obamacare than ever before."

The contributor goes on to support his beliefs with facts.
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