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calwdstk

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Message Posted: Feb 11, 2013 1:23:57 PM

Now that everyone is examining this law, they are finding out. Costs will rise for family's, some people will not be covered, namely children. Then the ultimate 9 Million less then predicted will be covered, and more. Read the full article on this from NY Times.

Wheels Coming Off - NYPOST
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e_jeepin
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2014 3:43:52 PM

It's that time of year again, time to open those renewal notices and read how much more the (un)Affordable Care Act will cost us.

I just opened mine Friday -- it is increasing +19% for 2015 -- so since 2009, my rates have almost doubled thanks to Obama and the corrupt Democrat establishment.

In the letter, United Healthcare states that "there has been a rise in the cost of healthcare...". wait, where is the $2500 average family savings?

I think my entire family visited the Doctor 4-5 times the entire year, payed 100% out of pocket, and we get slammed with a 19% increase. The amount of next years increase is more than we paid out-of pocket for the few visits we had!

Democrats need to wear this badge of dis-honor for eternity -- they did this to us, and they need to all be voted out.

There is nothing affordable in the act, just pain to families who have to carry the water for those who now get it free or close to it.


[Edited by: e_jeepin at 11/23/2014 3:49:36 PM EST]
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2014 7:46:26 AM

streetrider, "Should we do the same for people with car insurance? Should people that have a lot of tickets and/or collisions pay the same rate as safe drivers? "

So inane to compare cars to humans."

Why? The financial principles are the same. Insurance economics don't change if the insured is a human or a car. Risks are risks. Risky behavior in or out of a car is still risky behavior.
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Nov 23, 2014 5:18:40 AM

3 things White House doesn't want you to know about ObamaCare, plus 3 things coming in 2015 you aren’t going to like

11-13-14

"1. HUGE DEFICITS AND NEW TAXES. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the latest projections for the net cost of ObamaCare over the next ten years are just over $1.4 trillion. Whereas President Obama promised in 2009 that it would cost less than $1 trillion over ten years. In order to partially pay for this, ObamaCare has added more than 20 new taxes totaling over $500 billion.

2. BUREAUCRACY. Speaking of Orwellian politics, ObamaCare includes 159 new boards and agencies to restrict and govern your health care choices.

3. STILL MORE BUREAUCRACY. Dysfunctional state exchanges with high deductible policies, narrow doctor networks, including federally-run exchanges in 36 states which may not be allowable under the law (SCOTUS currently considering this case)."

What is NEW?

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1. PENALTIES WILL RISE – INDIVIDUAL MANDATE. In 2014, people are facing a penalty of $95 per person or 1% of income.

In 2015, the penalty will more than triple to $325 per person or 2% of income, whichever is higher.

If an American failed to get coverage this year, the penalty will be taken out of their tax refund in early 2015.

2. SERIOUS RATE HIKES FOR CHEAPER OBAMACARE PLANS. According to Investor’s Business Daily, the lowest cost bronze plan will increase an average of 7 % in many cases, the lowest cost silver plan by 9%, and the lowest priced catastrophic policy will climb 18 percent on average. Double digit rate hikes are anticipated in several southern and Midwestern states including Kansas, Iowa, Louisiana, North and South Carolina, Tennessee, Iowa, and Virginia.

Subsidies will continue to be a huge part of the program. In 2014, subsidies provided ¾ of the premiums for the federally-run exchanges.

3. EMPLOYER MANDATE WILL TAKE EFFECT. After being delayed for a year, large businesses (100 or more employees in 2015, 50 or more in 2016) will be required to offer affordable (and subsidized) health plans to at least 70 percent of their full time employees or face a $2,000-$3,000 penalty per employee."

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streetrider
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2014 2:17:47 PM

nstrd

"streetider, "Agreed, now lets agree a pre existing condition is not a reason to rip someone on the cost of the policy."

Should we do the same for people with car insurance? Should people that have a lot of tickets and/or collisions pay the same rate as safe drivers? "

So inane to compare cars to humans.
Should we charge the ones that never use it -0- until they do? The same with car insurance should one be charged nothing till they have a wreck then start paying the next year?
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2014 11:15:15 AM

Nstrdnvstr: <<<"Should we do the same for people with car insurance? Should people that have a lot of tickets and/or collisions pay the same rate as safe drivers?">>>

--Shhhh! Those "stupid voters" aren't supposed to think about that!
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2014 8:12:26 AM

streetider, "Agreed, now lets agree a pre existing condition is not a reason to rip someone on the cost of the policy."

Should we do the same for people with car insurance? Should people that have a lot of tickets and/or collisions pay the same rate as safe drivers?
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2014 7:59:21 AM

teacher_tim said: "27 of the senators who voted for ObamaCare are gone as of January."

Gee. Ya think there might be some connection there with how Americans feel about getting ObozoCare shoved down their throats?

Hopefully some other sitting politicians can get a lesson from this!
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Passer
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Message Posted: Nov 12, 2014 2:10:21 AM

"Allow the selling of insurance across state lines."

In my opinion, the single best Republican idea in eight years.
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Nov 9, 2014 3:42:07 PM

OK
Popcornpirate

Agreed, now lets agree a pre existing condition is not a reason to rip someone on the cost of the policy.
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Nov 7, 2014 8:59:36 AM

Lets all agree here?
Insurance companies cant deny for pre-existing conditions.
Allow the selling of insurance across state lines.
Allow people to purchase the type of insurance that they will need & use....not what they can get
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Nov 6, 2014 2:03:00 AM

100% of Newly Elected GOP Senators Campaigned on Repealing Obamacare

11-5-14

"Louisiana’s Senate GOP candidate, Bill Cassidy, has also voiced support for the repeal of Obamacare, listing 10 reasons why it should be replaced. As a practicing physician, Cassidy has said that the ACA would drive up costs, endangers access to care, destroys jobs and increases taxes just to name a few.

“By definition, a law that creates over 150 boards, bureaucracies, and commissions does not empower patients. Repealing this law is the first step to enacting real health care reform that lowers costs and expands access to quality health care for all Americans,” Cassidy said."
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2014 10:13:01 AM

27 of the senators who voted for ObamaCare are gone as of January.
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2014 10:12:08 AM

Lets see how we can scale back some of the really bad parts of Obamacare
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Nov 4, 2014 5:43:41 AM

So what good is the insurance that you are forced to buy if you cannot afford the deductibles?
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Nov 4, 2014 4:19:28 AM

Some ObamaCare patients with high deductibles turning to community care centers

11-4-14

"Millions signed up after the president said premiums would be less than their monthly cell phone bill. But now, even those the law was most designed to help still must pay for their own care."
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Nov 1, 2014 6:16:43 AM

If You Thought the Legal Challenges to the Affordable Care Act Were Over, You'd Be Wrong

10-31-14

"In its briefs, the Obama administration scoffs at the challenge, saying there is no way Congress would have intended such an “absurd” result. Supporters of the law acknowledge, however, if this battle is lost it's unlikely the rest of the law could survive.

There are similar cases percolating in the lower courts, and it's likely the Supreme Court will hold off for now and only step in after those courts have ruled. But supporters of the health care law are worried that two years after the Supreme Court barely upheld the law, this challenge might be the final blow."
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theTower
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 6:36:33 AM

nstrdnvstr: <<<"So show us where specifically clear wording in the ObamaCare law states that President Obama can change enforcement dates at will or that the IRS can give subsidies to people that are in plans that are NOT run by the state.">>>

--As he has demonstrated, he is unable

Of course Passer was unable to provide that. Because Obama doesn't have that authority, but did it anyway.
Why else would there be a bunch of name calling from Passer right after.
That's what liberals do when confronted with illegal activity or incompetence from the Obama administration.
Obamas own people do that in that press. Its part of what they are.
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 5:01:14 AM

Passer, "Their great "accomplishment" is that they shut down the government for a few weeks -- enough for them to earn the distinct honor of "Anarchists of the Month"!"

Umm... no, the president shut down the government. He even (tried to) shut down Mount Vernon which is run by private money and not government dollars! He shut down the Veterans Memorial and had to increase security there (which cost more money) in order to "shut down" the open memorial.

Obama made the choice to shut down the government.
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 4:56:22 AM

EZExit, "<<<"Are those classes tuition free, subsidized by taxpayer dollars?">>>

--Only if you promise to vote early and vote often!"

But I don't live in Chicago!
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Oct 30, 2014 1:26:32 AM

nstrdnvstr: <<<"So show us where specifically clear wording in the ObamaCare law states that President Obama can change enforcement dates at will or that the IRS can give subsidies to people that are in plans that are NOT run by the state.">>>

--As he has demonstrated, he is unable.

<<<"Are those classes tuition free, subsidized by taxpayer dollars?">>>

--Only if you promise to vote early and vote often!
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 2:57:13 PM

Passer said: "They have "learned" that it is easier to DESTROY or throw a bomb than to try to build something.

The last thing that they actually CREATED was noise and static."

Oh such a short memory you have!

Take a look at what the last administration built...an opportunity for 50 million Iraqis to live in peace and tranquility. Look who let that dream get totally DESTROYED...Obozo with his liberal "we'll pull the troops out and leave a stable Iraq" mentality. Watch what happens in Afghanistan now as Obozo apparently learned no lesson from his Iraq fiasco.

It's not worth building something if it's not functional. Who wants a car with 2 left wheels and no engine? That's what we got with ObozoCare. Yeah, you liberals "built" something, but it's as worthless as an elephant turd.

How about the billions wasted on energy projects like Solyndra and A123? Obozo seems to like to build things out of sand...they look good for a few weeks or so, then they totally collapse under their own weight.

What an absolutely sorry excuse for a president we now have!
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Passer
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 2:04:21 PM

"Wheels coming off ObamaCare" What's in the Tea Party "wheelhouse"? Same as the Anarchists. They haven't been FOR anything but destruction!

Their great "accomplishment" is that they shut down the government for a few weeks -- enough for them to earn the distinct honor of "Anarchists of the Month"!

They have "learned" that it is easier to DESTROY or throw a bomb than to try to build something.

The last thing that they actually CREATED was noise and static.

Those who vote for them and their Anarchist brothers should be so proud.
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 11:03:03 AM

EZExit, "For more understanding of liberal doublespeak, your local college should offer courses in "Understanding Liberalism 101" as well as "Wealth Redistribution Tactics and Advanced Social Engineering 310" "

Are those classes tuition free, subsidized by taxpayer dollars?
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 11:01:09 AM

Passer "A law can delegate rules and regulations for its implementation to an executive or a department."

So show us where specifically clear wording in the ObamaCare law states that President Obama can change enforcement dates at will or that the IRS can give subsidies to people that are in plans that are NOT run by the state.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 10:28:32 AM

Jesk, or this one:
this one

It fits what greentre posted also.
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greentre
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Message Posted: Oct 29, 2014 9:46:17 AM

Just a couple of logs to toss on the pyre.

My deductible and co-pays amounts have doubled since the passage of 0bamaCare.

Here's a sad note:

"The deck seems stacked against those who most need coverage.

Wylene Gary of Yazoo City, who works in a low-paying restaurant job, paid a $129 premium as soon as Obamacare became available. Her card arrived with the notification that she would be responsible for a $6,000 deductible and 40 percent co-pay.

"This ain't worth a tooth," she said and canceled her coverage, Gary told Politico."
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2014 8:58:20 PM

Look who's scared now!
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2014 12:19:51 PM

Uh-oh!

Now that bastion of liberal "intelligence", The New York Times, is reporting how patients are paying more for less care now that ObozoCare is law of the land.

Looks like the insurers are the ones who are really enjoying ObozoCare. They get to charge higher premiums and pay out less. Just another "unintended consequence" of liberal idiocy, eh?

[Edited by: jeskibuff at 10/28/2014 12:20:45 PM EST]
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Passer
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2014 10:10:06 PM

"Technically, congress voted on a bill, and it became law, but the particulars are meaningless."

Reactionaries and the Tea Party say they respect the Constitution but what they fail to say,

"only when we agree with it"!

If there is something in the law they don't like, quote "...the particulars are meaningless."

Couldn't have been said any better by an Anarchist, the Tea Party's elder brothers!
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2014 2:40:32 AM

Nstrdnvstr, what Passer apparently believes, is that congress is only involved enough to vote for socialized medicine, and then the executive branch can modify it any way, shape, or form, as they see fit. Technically, congress voted on a bill, and it became law, but the particulars are meaningless. It is the same thought process that authorized the current war started by Obama on ISIS, because congress had authorized military action upon Al Qaeda in 2001. You see, congress authorized this action on a radical Muslim group 13 years ago, so any actions on any radical Muslim groups are automatically OK'd till the end of time.

For more understanding of liberal doublespeak, your local college should offer courses in "Understanding Liberalism 101" as well as "Wealth Redistribution Tactics and Advanced Social Engineering 310"
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Passer
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2014 2:10:48 AM

typo: 2/3 [of congress and 3/4] of States ratify...
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Passer
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 8:19:48 PM

" Isn't Congress, according to the Constitution (the law of the land) supposed to write and change laws?"

A law can delegate rules and regulations for its implementation to an executive or a department. The fact that crybabies don't like a law and threaten to hold their breath until it is changed so that they are satisfied, doesn't make it any less of a law or any less legal.

Even a Constitutional Amendment can DELEGATE to Congress by simple majority vote (which is not how an amendment is originally ratified) how to implement the amendment and to write rules and regulations that are not specifically in the originally passed by Congress and ratified by 2/3 of the States' document.

But one would have to know the Constitution to understand that, not just give it to its rabble to only use as a club against its made up enemies or to spill Tea on the Constitution so the less educated Tea Party supporters can be fooled and tricked and brainwashed into voting for its Bizarro "understanding".
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 6:37:03 AM

Passer, "When the training wheels are completely off Obamacare and the Tea Party begins respecting the law of the land..."

Now THAT is funny!!!

That "law of the land" (ObamaCare) has been unilaterally changed (without the consent of Congress) hasn't it? Isn't Congress, according to the Constitution (the law of the land) supposed to write and change laws?
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Message Posted: Oct 24, 2014 2:46:51 AM

ObamaCare Returns as an Election Albatross

10-22-14

opinion

"According to an Oct. 2 Gallup survey, 54% of Americans said the Affordable Care Act had hurt them and their families compared to 27% who said it had helped them.

The White House understands this, so it is not trumpeting the upcoming open-enrollment period when people can sign up for health coverage. Nor are White House officials crowing about last year’s eight million sign-ups, probably because insurance industry officials suggest that 10% or more never fully enrolled by paying their premiums."link to Gallup survey

[Edited by: mweyant at 10/24/2014 2:48:06 AM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 8:53:07 PM

So then you probably really didnt save as much as you thought and or your risk is higher.

When you are at 70 you will find that the increase in deductibles means more than if your younger and dont see the doc as much.
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mnrick041
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 8:46:04 PM

Obama claims the average American now saves $1800 a year on health insurance.

I am not. I saved a little this year by risking to select a higher deductible plan but my savings is only about $600 over the course of the year-If I do not have to get any medical care.
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 2:42:37 PM

"public Aproval of Health Care Law
RCP average of all polls 9/4-10/14
38.9 Favor 51.3 Oppose

I suppose over half the country is biased, eh Passer? lol"

These figures "coincidentally" mirror Obama's current popularity polls. Yet, I hate to bring this up in a Tea Party dominated topic but even though Karl Rove, Fox's Ace Political Guru, still doesn't believe it or acknowledge it, Obama won two presidential elections. When the training wheels are completely off Obamacare and the Tea Party begins respecting the law of the land (as if hypocrites can change their stripes any faster than Zebras) even though it was passed with the help of their Kenyan who they know, hid his birth certificate and they will finally succeed in their goal of impeaching him within a few years (probably about 2 and one half), Obmacare will take hold with them or without them.

It is interesting that instead of drinking tea, the Tea Party members will have spent eight years of preferring sour grapes to their Tea. History will show that they have more in common with their brothers, the Anarchists, than any other American group outside of the Survivalists.





[Edited by: Passer at 10/22/2014 2:43:43 PM EST]
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reb4
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 8:12:29 AM

wow, how did you know that poster was gone streetrider????
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 8:07:52 AM

Sure reply to Buzz's comments after he is gone.

LMAO
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 8:04:44 AM

Buzz, ". "25% give it an A or B" does NOT translate into "25% favorable", because C and D are also passing grades... which means more like only 6% unfavorable... which means many doctors are not happy with being unable to overcharge for their services any more... but, they're far from starving, either... unlike many of their poorer customers..."

What, you don't think doctors have overhead? They have employees to pay, rent, electricity, water and many other bills to pay! That money has to come from somewhere! They also have college debt they have to pay, not to mention a family to support.

If you don't like paying for a doctor, treat yourself, it MAY end up costing even more money in the end.

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Message Posted: Oct 22, 2014 5:25:31 AM

Affordable Care Act Fails to Address Physician Shortages - Here's How We Can Better Deal with This Challenge

10-21-04

Article from Forbes describes how to deal with yet another failing of the Affordable Care Act

"A recent groundbreaking simulation created by the University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill (UNC) and funded by The Physicians Foundation shows that there will be drastic shortages of critical specialists and primary care physicians over the next five years unless states and the federal government take immediate action."
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 11:24:57 AM

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< mweyant: "Only 25% give it a favorable review?"

. "25% give it an A or B" does NOT translate into "25% favorable", because C and D are also passing grades... which means more like only 6% unfavorable... which means many doctors are not happy with being unable to overcharge for their services any more... but, they're far from starving, either... unlike many of their poorer customers...
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 11:00:25 AM

"Looks like the desperate lib is simply Passing gas on this topic!"

More like "Wheels Coming Off Diesel Trolls" because of Obamacare.

Somebody's 1980's engine [that sputters on Tea] should have been replaced long ago.

ROTFL


[Edited by: Passer at 10/20/2014 11:05:36 AM EST]
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Troller_Diesel
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 9:30:46 AM

Looks like the desperate lib is simply Passing gas on this topic!

*ROTFL*
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 6:41:56 AM

teacher tim, don't confuse Passer with facts!

Passer, "That is a problem. In order to get it passed without any Republican support, even though Romneycare is its practical basis...

There are HUGE differences between Romneycare and ObamaCare. I see you are confused about that.

Massachusetts ditches RomneyCare health exchange

Romneycare Vs. Obamacare: Key Similarities & Differences
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 2:51:42 AM

public Aproval of Health Care Law
RCP average of all polls 9/4-10/14
38.9 Favor 51.3 Oppose

I suppose over half the country is biased, eh Passer? lol
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Passer
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 1:28:02 AM

oops, I meant "'think' tank".
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Message Posted: Oct 20, 2014 1:26:17 AM

"Singer practices general surgery in Phoenix, Arizona and is an adjunct scholar at the Cato Institute."

The Cato Institute is a Conservative Stink Tank that is virulently against all things Democratic. Asking them to comment about a Democrat (much less a horse of a different color ie Democrats in general but Obama specifically) is like asking a Klan member to offer an opinion about someone they just lynched --

but the Cato Institute would not be as sympathetic.
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 8:11:01 PM

Why doctors give Obamacare a failing grade

10-15-14

article is written by a doctor and appears in a blog

"Count me among the discontented. Obamacare has harmed too many of my patients."

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Passer
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Message Posted: Oct 19, 2014 12:00:54 PM

"Only 25% give it a favorable review?"

That is a problem. In order to get it passed without any Republican support, even though Romneycare is its practical basis and it was supported by the GOP when Dole was its nominee back when the GOP was sane, there was a deal with the devil made, the health insurance companies. The companies were used to cheating the public to give their CEO's huge paydays. Now, with Obamacare they can't cheat the public so they take it out on the doctors.

It is a problem. But the solution isn't returning to the old status quo of cheating the public as much as that is in the GOP's interest and the way that party does business.

The public has Obama. The Doctors have their AMA. Let the GOP win back their patron they have been courting for the last 6 years, the devil. If they need help they can always ask the Tea Party who is said to have him in their pocket.
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