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SemiSteve

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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 4:07:50 PM

Looks like the Peace Prize was premature. School children are not safe with the CIA's Predator Drones prowling the skies over them. Obama could stop this at any moment. Please contact the White House as I have and join me in urging him to put an end to this. Indiscriminate drone attacks set a really bad precedent. By doing this we are saying that it is OK for other nations to do this to us as soon as they get drone technology. Drone attacks also create more enemies than they eliminate:

"All these children are a big recruitment agent for militants in the area. When you can show people that children are being killed in the drone strikes, all those who are so far non-aligned, that gets them onto the other side."

Bureau of Investigative Journalism: 160 Children dead and counting

US Drone Strike statistic based on research by a team of journalists of the Bureau of Investigative Journalism:[2][17]

(As of 10 January 2013)

Total strikes: 362
Total reported killed: 2,629 – 3,461
Civilians reported killed: 475 – 891
Children reported killed: 176
Total reported injured: 1,267 – 1,431
Strikes under the Bush Administration: 52
Strikes under the Obama Administration: 310

Wikipedia: Drone Strikes in Pakistan
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Message Posted: May 24, 2013 11:08:35 AM

<<<"Imagine if someone as well-intentioned as Obama can become so cold-blooded...">>>

Words or actions. Which are the real indicator of someones intentions?
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Message Posted: May 23, 2013 8:33:37 AM


Four Americans killed in drone strikes

"US Attorney General Eric Holder said today that four Americans, including Jude Mohammed, who was rumored to have been killed in a drone strike two years ago, have died in US "counterterrorism operations" since 2009. Mohammed had been arrested in Pakistan for attempting to enter the tribal areas, but evaded a trial after skipping bail."

"Holder noted that Anwar al Awlaki, Samir Khan, and Anwar's son Abdul Rahman were also killed. All three are known to have died in US drone strikes in 2010. But Anwar was the only one who was "specifically targeted," according to a letter that was sent to senior Congressmen today and obtained by ABC News.

From Wired:

"The five-page letter...does not explain the circumstances that led to the unintentional killings of Khan, Mohammad and the younger Awlaki. Holder does not apologize for the killings, nor explain whether their deaths resulted from errant targeting, mistaken identity or another circumstance."

"But after acknowledging that the administration did “not specifically targe[t]” those three Americans, Holder defended killing Americans the administration believes to be members of al-Qaida without due process, a constitutionally questionable proposition."


[Edited by: xrdc at 5/23/2013 8:37:54 AM EST]
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Message Posted: May 18, 2013 8:50:34 AM

SemiSteve, "Imagine if someone as well-intentioned as Obama can become so cold-blooded..."

AND you know his intentions, HOW?
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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 8:25:17 AM


"First Time Ever: U.S. Navy launches Jet-Sized Drone From Aircraft Carrier"

Perfect. Now Obama can still blame Bush when it comes to the drone campaign.

Looks like there is one more hitch...landing.

"While the tailless plane won't land on the aircraft carrier on Tuesday, the Navy plans to conduct those tests soon. Landing on a moving aircraft carrier is considered one of the most difficult challenges Navy pilots face. Following the test launch, the plane will make a series of approaches toward the aircraft carrier before landing at Naval Air Station Patuxent River in Maryland."

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Message Posted: May 15, 2013 1:23:56 AM


SemiSteve, "Imagine if someone as well-intentioned as Obama can become so cold-blooded..."

Imagine if liberals could credit their opposition with having good intentions even if they had different opinions - perhaps then they would start judging our leaders on their policies rather than their imputed motives.

We might actually elect more responsible leaders...

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Message Posted: May 14, 2013 2:52:17 PM


Terrorists beware!

First Time Ever: U.S. Navy launches Jet-Sized Drone From Aircraft Carrier

"ABOARD THE USS GEORGE H.W. BUSH: The Navy for the first time Tuesday launched an unmanned aircraft the size of a fighter jet from a warship in the Atlantic Ocean, as it wades deeper into America's drone program amid growing concerns over the legality of its escalating surveillance and lethal strikes."

"Called the X-47B, the drone is considered particularly valuable because it's the first that is designed specifically to take off and land on an aircraft carrier, allowing it to be used around the world without needing the permission of other countries to serve as a home base."

Note this part again: "...to be used around the world without needing the permission of other countries to serve as a home base."



[Edited by: LTVibe at 5/14/2013 2:58:33 PM EST]
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Message Posted: May 12, 2013 1:47:40 PM

SS: "Imagine if someone as well-intentioned as Obama can become so cold-blooded what would happen if we get another cowboy-wanna-be President of the 'Bring Em On' mentality."

Around 220,000 people were killed when Hiroshima and Nagasaki were nuked. Over 80,000 more died over the following weeks and months from radiation and other effects. Many of those killed were women, children, and the elderly. Yet nobody ever accused President Truman of being 'cold-blooded' or a 'cowboy-wanna-be'.

That's the terrible irony of war and human nature. Neither Truman, Bush, or Obama would ever harm an innocent person face to face. But with little hesitation, they will order military attacks that kill thousands.

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Message Posted: May 12, 2013 12:59:32 PM

Oh.

Glad the two month time limit has not expired here.

I just read a sizzling article in The Nation magazine that rips Obama a new one for killing American citizens with no due process.

One of them was a 16 yo boy.

Imagine if someone as well-intentioned as Obama can become so cold-blooded what would happen if we get another cowboy-wanna-be President of the "Bring Em On' mentality.

This whole drone program needs to have some strong Congressional oversight bereft of big money influence from weapons makers and the like.
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Message Posted: Mar 14, 2013 7:35:37 AM

SS: "Ahh. I see. So since they kill their own neighbors and children then that makes it OK for us to do it too."

No, it's not 'OK'. That isn't what my post implied. It was to point out the hypocritical double standards of Islamic culture.

Innocents killed by our drones is always accidental and unintentional. Innocents killed by Islamic thugs is always deliberate and intentional.
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2013 11:28:26 PM

Honestly, I don't think we'll ever civilize Afghanistan or areas of Pakistan such as Waziristan. No way, no how. The morality they've practiced over the years is ingrained and is foreign to out Western way of thinking. For example, in certain parts of the Muslim world, women are put here for the sole purpose of procreation of the species. So when men have certain "feelings", they bugger young boys for satisfaction. And apparently Islam is OK with that, as long as they don't romantically love whomever they're doing it too. Hmmm... here in America we call that sodomy of a child, and it carries a heavy penalty, including prison time. (I was going to say "stiff penalty", but I didn't want to sound too flippant - I'm trying to make a more serious point here..)
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Message Posted: Mar 13, 2013 5:26:31 PM

Ahh. I see. So since they kill their own neighbors and children then that makes it OK for us to do it too. They are reasonable enough to understand that. There is then no motivation here for them to want to kill Americans. Got it.

Just one question.

Why are they still killing Americans?

Because for a lot of them who were 'on the fence' we willed their children so they now want to kill Americans. And no, they are not giving us a pass because they kill their own. Revenge is huge over there. It can't be discounted because killing is 'a fad' over there.
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Message Posted: Mar 10, 2013 9:52:53 AM

>>"All these children are a big recruitment agent for militants in the area. When you can show people that children are being killed in the drone strikes, all those who are so far non-aligned, that gets them onto the other side."<<

How ironic, and hypocritical. They get upset when drones accidently kill civilians, yet they deliberately kill their own neighbors almost daily.

And killing their own families and children is a cultural norm.

Pathetic.

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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 11:03:03 AM

af, "listen" to excuses, you're too funny. Not even w Bush fell for the Syria conspiracy and you think I should. The truth shall set you free.

Ac-, "since saddam moved his wmd to Syria" you assume too much. If saddam had wmd the invasion was a perfect excuse to use them.

And the rest of the story.
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 10:38:42 AM

I agree with Ben.

Rand Paul made a very good point.

Mini has tried to misrepresent the situation. He has succeeded only in showing his animosity towards our President.

People in the poll mini links were not asked if they thought Obama should be able to 'kill people Obama doesn't like.' Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh are still breathing are they not?

It's tough to see the point of your post through the bias, mini.
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Message Posted: Mar 7, 2013 9:17:05 AM

”People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.”
- Ben FranklinHear hear!!! One of my all time favorite quotes.
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 10:28:22 PM

NOW
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 10:26:56 PM

Steve,

It is not baloney. If it was wrong under Bush, it is wrong under Obama. It should be non-partisan.

Click here and stand with America NOW.

Now is the time to stop the fascism you say you don't support.
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Message Posted: Mar 6, 2013 10:13:30 PM

fly michael and ropegun11, then the answer is simple.

Don't do it.

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mini you're rephrasing the question after the poll results are in.

"41% Of Democrats think Obama should be allowed to kill Americans he doesn’t like..."

That wasn't the question!

If such a question were phrased exactly like that the results would be very different.

"Do you think Obama should be allowed to kill Americans he doesn't like?"

Yeah, right.

Who do you think you're fooling?

Take a poll with one question and then report the results with another.

What baloney.
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2013 11:18:01 PM

SemiSteve: "When I contacted the WH, I asked that drone strikes where it can not be positively ascertained that no children or innocent bystanders would be killed should be halted."

Steve, That would be so awesome if it were possible, however, even in my current sleep-deprived state, with too much left to do tonight to have time to research it, I'm fairly certain it would be nearly impossible to guarantee that as children & innocent bystanders can be anywhere & the Taliban has a long history of hiding among civilians. :/
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2013 10:45:17 PM

I would say very few missions, in fact, would meet that criteria. And if the terrorist perps KNEW that, they would wrap themselves in kids, and always have at least one child around as a human shield. Not that they don't do it now anyway. I think going after the Islamo-terrorist thugs even when the wrap themselves in their children sends a message, in a language that they understand. In that case, they will nail terrorist no matter what. If we did stop when they had kids around, they'd just commit terrorist acts with kids around and laugh at how stupid we are - and in that circumstance, they'd be right.

BTW - this is also a trick the Palestinian terrorist-thugs use. They also use kids as human shields - sometimes during terrorist operations.

[Edited by: AC-302 at 3/4/2013 10:46:13 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2013 10:22:00 PM

It always feels so strange agreeing with flyboy on a topic
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2013 10:09:13 PM

Interesting poll

41% Of Democrats think Obama should be allowed to kill Americans he doesn’t like, compared to 26% of Republicans and 21% Independents.

34. Do you think the president of the United States, on his own, should be able to authorize the use of deadly force, such as a drone strike, to kill a suspected terrorist who is a U.S. citizen on U.S. soil?

..Total Dem Rep Ind Men Women White Non-White Degree No Degree
Y..32%.41%26%21%31%...33%....28%......43%.......25%.....35%
N..63%.54%70%76%66%...61%....67%......51%.......71%.....59%

”People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.”
- Ben Franklin

[Edited by: ministorage at 3/4/2013 10:16:47 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2013 12:42:29 PM

Steve there is no way possible they can still use drones and meet your criteria. It is just not real world possible.
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2013 12:33:12 PM

I am not an advocate of ending all drone strikes. I think the drone technology is here to stay and we would be foolish not to have it at our disposal. What bothers me is the indiscriminate use of drones which results in civilian deaths, exemplified by the killing of children.

When I contacted the WH, I asked that drone strikes where it can not be positively ascertained that no children or innocent bystanders would be killed should be halted.

But if there is a certainty that only confirmed militants are being targeted, and no others will be inadvertently harmed, then those strikes should be carried out.

This falls in line with my support for the big stick approach. We have this technology. We need to be very reserved in it's use but occasionally there will be times when we need to use it. The fact that we have it and we only use it when it is appropriate should serve as a strong deterrent to adversaries.
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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2013 7:33:59 AM

Homeland Security's specifications say drones must be able to detect whether a civilian is armed.

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Message Posted: Mar 4, 2013 7:22:02 AM


What happened when drones strikes were suspended for less than two months:

"WASHINGTON — A nearly two-month lull in American drone strikes in Pakistan has helped embolden Al Qaeda and several Pakistani militant factions to regroup, increase attacks against Pakistani security forces and threaten intensified strikes against allied forces in Afghanistan, American and Pakistani officials say."

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Message Posted: Mar 3, 2013 4:39:41 PM

...I found this all very disturbing so I went in search of a petition against it and found one & signed it. It's worth a try anyway if it can save the life of even one child. Will you please sign it too?

"U.S drone strikes in Pakistan are coming under unprecedented scrutiny. Recently, a report by a joint Stanford/NYU team of researchers was released, highlighting civilian deaths, 'signature strikes' against unknown targets, 'secondary strikes' that include attacks on civilian rescuers, and how the drone strike policy is turning Pakistani public opinion against the United States.

Please join me in signing this petition against U.S. drone strikes:

Petition: End US Drone Strikes in Pakistan "

Thank you buddies!
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2013 11:22:15 AM

teacher_tim, very interesting. You have postulated that a drug kingpin in Mexico would be a more appropriate target of a drone strike. I agree. This guy Guzman lives in his hide-out in Mexico but directs his thugs to carry out deals and slaughter of those who stand in his way. So why can't he be indicted in the USA, and then an extradition order issued upon his arrest in Mexico, (such arrest, of course, he eludes) and then a public notice issued ordering him to turn himself in within a reasonable period of time or become a drone target? If he fails to turn himself in, then drone him. Make the public notice plain enough warming to anyone who would hang out with the guy?

I suppose the only thing that would prevent that from happening (and a likely scenario) would be if he would take innocent provisional hostages and then make it known that he those hostages will always be near him.
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 12:30:12 PM

gocatgo said: "Ac-, "our problem" seems to revolve around oil. Oil that is sold to many nations but we always shoulder most of the burden of policing the world's problems. In the meantime we can't police our own southern borders. "They belonged to Asaad" and out of Iraq before the invasion is my point. Btw the so called evidence for wmd moved to Syria is sketchy at best."

--You know, we also re-flagged Kuwaiti tanker ships with "Old Glory", so that attacks on these ships would be a direct attack upon the US, worth of our FULL military response. While I understand your "why are we the world's cop" sentiment, let me ask you - would you rather have had the USSR or China stepping into that role, and by extension, exporting communist revolution via so-called "progressive elements" to the rest of the world? We stepped up in the interest of ourselves AND our allies AND to shine that light of freedom and democracy in the world.

OK, so since Saddam moved his chem and bio weapons out of Iraq to Syria, that automatically means Saddam didn't have anything and that he didn't have access to them and that the then belonged to the Assad regime? Incredible...
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 9:36:19 AM


Radical leftist professor Cornel West condemns Obama's drone war

Conservative Charles Krauthammer defends Obama's drone war

Now that's a switch! Obama pisses off the Left, and gets support from the Right!
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 4:40:47 PM

Not even close go but like I said I don't hafta try and explain to someone who ain't trying to listen. Or worse... trying to frame what I ain't saying.
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 3:08:31 PM

Ac-, "our problem" seems to revolve around oil. Oil that is sold to many nations but we always shoulder most of the burden of policing the world's problems. In the meantime we can't police our own southern borders. "They belonged to Asaad" and out of Iraq before the invasion is my point. Btw the so called evidence for wmd moved to Syria is sketchy at best.

Airf, "this ain't Vietnam"? The Vc & Nva killed their own people without hesitation by the thousands. What you are saying is the usual excuses made for torture, I get it.
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Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 2:09:48 PM

gocatgo said: " But I also don't believe it is up to America to police the world. Had America found massive stockpiles of wmd "after" the Iraq invasion I would feel differently."

--I'm surprised by your response, in a way. You AGREE that he did have chem and bio agents beyond a shadow of a doubt. And it has been absolutely proven and confirmed that he gassed both the Kurds and the Iranians in the wars. But what of Saddam and Iraq threatening their neighbors, such as the Kuwait, the Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Turkey (a NATO member, no less) and their support for terror in Israel? That was also going on. And if Saddam attacked Saudi Arabia, would you also feel that it is not our problem? And tell me, if they find massive stockpiles of Iraqi nerve and chem agents (and disease toxins) in Syria, will you go off and say: "Oh, they belonged to Assad, they weren't Saddam's.."

And do you remember the Watergate incident? In the WH, there was a recorder system that recorded everything. Saddam had something much like it. We captured the tapes from one of his offices. It turns out that of those that have been translated, Saddam himself braggs of his possession of chem, bio and nerve agents. So yeah, he deserved what he got.
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Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 12:22:21 PM

This isn't Vietnam or 1966. Still not talking the same language gocat. But you're entitled to not think about what I'm really saying. And I'm entitled to not hafta keep trying to explain.
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Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 11:06:36 AM

Af, we are always going to disagree about torture. In 1966 when I arrived in Vietnam I was given a card explaining "The Enemy In Your Hands". No where did it mention it was ok to torture prisoners. If you believe Americans should act like the animals they are fighting, that is your opinion not mine.
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gocat <<<"Water boarding morally wrong" but that is a case of the enemy in your hands not an enemy and out of the fight. There were many cases during the Vietnam war of Pows being killed and I thought it was wrong. >>>

You're not comparing apples to apples. I also believe killing POW's is wrong.

IMHO killing prisoners who are fighting against your soldiers who you have in custody is much worse then temporarily waterboarding 3 known terrorists who have killed thousands and would kill more thousands of innocents.

I also have no problem with the drone attacks. I've been consistent on both of these issues. My problem is with people who consistently highlighted collateral damage before BHO who are completely silent now. And many of those same people who decried the waterboarding of 3 known terrorists in defense of our country as morally reprehensible are perfectly ok with killing 100's of children in that same defense.

I'm simply highlighting the duplicity and hypocrisy of this administration and it's supporters.

[Edited by: airfresh at 2/16/2013 10:31:56 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 7:49:22 PM

af: "The Taliban is the Taliban. They just want their country back and about 6 months after we leave they will have it again. Regardless of how many drones we send their way now. "


I don't believe Obama's purpose with the drones is to eliminate terrorism or the terrorists in the long term, and I also don't believe he cares if the Taliban takes back Afghanistan, as long as it either doesn't happen before he's out of office or if they do get it back sooner, that they can't launch a 9/11 scale attack against us until after he's out of office. I firmly believe Obama is simply engaged in a delaying action to keep a 9/11 scale attack from happening on his watch for the reasons I stated earlier.


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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 12:32:56 PM

A Better Target for Obama's Death-from-the-Skies Program

This one has certainly killed more Americans than terrorists.
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 12:24:46 PM

Ac-, Yes, I believe Saddam was a tyrant that killed thousands of his own people with chem/bio weapons. But I also don't believe it is up to America to police the world. Had America found massive stockpiles of wmd "after" the Iraq invasion I would feel differently. "General Sada", bottom line, and please pay attention, wmd was not in Iraq at the time of the invasion. America has delivered Iraq to Iran as a new ally at a cost of 4,287 American service people and billions of dollars spent.
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 12:09:25 PM

gocat, I never said or claimsed obama was a Christian
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 11:00:39 AM

But again, gocatgo, do you or do you no beleive that the Saddam Hussein used chem and bio weapons against his own people and against Iran in their war? Yes or no? (btw - it has been proven beyond any doubt that he did) So when Saddam brags that he had chem and bio agents, and that he would use them, there was absolutely no reason to doubt 1) that he had them and 2) that he had the means to manufacture them. Then again, there is the testimony of Gen. Georges Sada, who said Saddam moved his stocks of WMD to Syria under the guise of humanitarian aid during a crisis there (a dam burst, if memory serves).
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 10:40:29 AM

airf, when you go to war the civilian death toll is usually higher than the military death toll. The last 2 wars are no different. If you know a WWII pilot or crew member, try your sob story about civilians on him and see how far you get. "Water boarding morally wrong" but that is a case of the enemy in your hands not an enemy and out of the fight. There were many cases during the Vietnam war of Pows being killed and I thought it was wrong. Both sides did it and it sucked dirty canal water, I still feel the same way.

Jd, drones "should we believe him"? Give Obama the same treatment you gave W Bush when you realized there were no wmds of consequence found after the Iraq invasion.

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" does not get much mileage in politics, not even from so called Christians.
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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 9:35:50 AM

jdhel... he said before he got elected the FIRST time his administration would be the most transparent in history. He's been lying and obfuscating every day since. What's the saying about a leopard and his spots? More like a boa offering a loving hug.
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 11:08:13 PM

ok, what is with bho? all of a sudden he claims to release a statement of his whereabouts on the 911 Benghazi attack -

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now he claims he wants to tell we Americans more about his "drone" program?
should we believe him now or whay is he doing this so long after the fact?

obama says Americans need to know more about his drone program - now? ok
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 12:57:51 PM

Gocat you missed my point entirely... I was making the point that due process was so very important to you and your side when Bush was pres but nothing in the past 4. Also making the point that your side was horrified by temporarily making 3 terrorists uncomfortable by waterboarding but not a peep about killing thousands of suspects along with their families and hundreds of innocent children instead. If I'm not mistaken Mr Obama has significantly increased the drone attacks and cruise missiles or am I wrong?

Waterboarding 3 known terrorists morally wrong versus killing thousands of innocents and hundreds of children morally acceptable. Yep I see the self righteous moral superiority in that. If you're a megalomaniac.

[Edited by: airfresh at 2/14/2013 12:59:10 PM EST]
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 12:20:34 PM

gocatgo,
Hmmm, we agree right down the line. :-)

Obama's also ordered more cruise missiles to be fired than any other Nobel Peace Prize recipient.
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Message Posted: Feb 14, 2013 11:27:01 AM

Marty, Tokyo fire bombing, "are you ok with that", in a word yes. Compared to the projected casualties of a full invasion of the main islands of Japan, an even bigger yes. The Japanese lived and died by the Bushido creed. They showed little mercy to their defeated enemies and deserved the same.

Steve, "WWII was a different time"? War is war. "Bad PR" is scaring the wits out of would be terrorists too.

Fly, "two atom bombs saved millions of lives", I agree 100%.

Ac-, "again it's treason and we can't accept that either", I agree. Once an American joins the terrorists they are a target.

airf, "due process" is lost when you join the enemy. It would appear you can justify deaths of terrorists and their families under Bush but not Obama. I don't remember any topics by you on the loss of foreign civilians when Bush was Prez. So yeah I see where you are coming from.

Mud, though we seldom agree I am with you 100% on your "Feb. 8 & 12 post". As for Clinton's chance, sadly hindsight is 20/20.

If every terrorist travels with a small group of children for protection, I say too bad.
When Jane Fonda was on that anti aircraft gun in North Vietnam had she been killed by an American aircraft it would have been justified.
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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2013 9:00:00 PM

"...what % of Muslims do hate the US for it's lifestyle and for supporting Israel?"

--An increasing one thanks to Muslim children getting killed by US drones.

johnnyg1200, Don't you wonder if the views of the people in a refugee camp are influenced by their experience? I would hardly think that people who have been displaced from their homes by life-altering circumstances represent the typical view of Muslims who have not.

AF: "The mention of the 3 kids [by CNN] was that short and the transition was that fast. They transitioned as if they had breaking news of an assassination attempt...

Is there anyone on the right or left or middle that would say that if GW was president CNN would have given that part of the story so little air time?"

--All the commercial media outlets did EXACTLY that when GWB was in office. They report wars as if it were a race. Give 'em the numbers and move on. It was all so sterile. With all our fancy cameras these days one would think they could really show how disgusting war is. But that wouldn't be 'tasteful.' As if war ever is.

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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2013 7:04:13 PM


"Hey hey BHO how many kids ya gonna kill tomorrow? But at least we aren't gonna make a few murderers feel uncomfortable. If it saves even one terrorist from being uncomfortable it's worth it."

It could be an arab muslim vs. black muslim thing.

Probably why we don't see drone strikes in Somalia.

There has always been a deep-rooted bigotry in Islam against black africans, often referred to as "abd".

It would not suprise me in the least to find that Obama had experienced that as part of his muslim heritage and holds black and asian muslims (or ANY other muslims for that matter) in higher regard than arabs.

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Message Posted: Feb 13, 2013 3:44:58 PM

I see your points Mud. Problem with the BHO logic is terrorism central has simply moved from Afghanistan to other parts of the world where we will NOT be droning. The Taliban is the Taliban. They just want their country back and about 6 months after we leave they will have it again. Regardless of how many drones we send their way now.
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