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flyboyUT

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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 7:15:10 PM

The spend more on chimps than people.
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>>>The National Institutes of Health, the government’s medical research arm, is spending about $12 million annually to care for the chimps formerly used for research, some of it for a retirement sanctuary in Louisiana where the animals are housed.

And the agency is soon in danger of reaching a $30 million cumulative spending cap that Congress set for the retirement home, dubbed Chimp Haven. That means NIH will need to go to Congress or another source for more money.

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To put the whole program in perspective, the $12.4 million price tag last year is about half the tab that the Smithsonian reports it costs to run the entire National Zoo in Washington, D.C. And the NIH’s average daily retirement cost of $50 per chimp is way more generous than the $133 per month that the government gives the average impoverished American in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, better known as food stamps.

For creating an expensive creatures comfort program with no immediate end game, the NIH wins this week’s Golden Hammer, awarded by the Washington Guardian to highlight an egregious example of government spending.<<<

They will spend millions to keep chimps in luxury and millions more to kill children. Is there something wrong with this picture?
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Mar 21, 2014 12:36:49 PM

How the government WASTES your money. Maybe. They're really not sure.
They have an agency to track this type of thing (bureaucracy breeding more bureaucracy) but having more bean counter doesn't mean getting all the beans counted.

NASA OIG: NASA's Management of its Smartphones, Tablets, and Other Mobile Devices

"IG report finds flaws in NASA's mobile device management

Hey, it's only $679,000 so what's the big deal, right?
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KansasGunman
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2014 1:29:13 PM

"Topic: How the govt spends your money"

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Like a two dollar prostitute with a $20 tip at an adult toy shop.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2014 1:21:59 PM

How the government MIS-spends your money:

The Federal Government Makes $100 Billion a Year in Improper Welfare Payments

There are a lot of heavy-hitters on this list. The usual suspects.....

[Edited by: I75at7AM at 2/19/2014 1:23:17 PM EST]
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2014 9:58:10 AM

NIH Spent $464,272 to Find Out Why Gay Men Get Syphilis in Peru

Take a wild guess.........

Might as well chase wild geese.........

Oh well, it's only money, and I'm sure some grad student somewhere got kudos for securing that government money to do that vital study. Probably got an "A" too.........
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2013 12:59:13 PM

The government spent all of our money decades ago, I think they are now working on the money of our great, great grandchildren.
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Tru2psu2
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2013 12:57:09 PM

"Wastes" your money!!!
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Dec 18, 2013 11:41:03 AM

Senator Tom Coburn issues a Wastebook list every year (similar to the late Sen. Proxmire's "Golden Fleece" award).

Sen. Coburn slams $30 billion in wasteful spending

"Would you spend nearly $300 million on a blimp? More than $300,000 to study angry wives? Or $5 million for crystal stemware?

These are some of the examples cited by Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., in his annual look at what he considers wasteful and "low-priority" spending by the federal government."

Tom Coburn ‘Wastebook’: $125K 3-D pizza

"NASA gave a $124,955 grant to Arjun Contractor, a mechanical engineer with a small company hoping to build a 3-D pizza printer as part of space-exploration mission supplies. However, NASA scientists say the research will take time, and it could be years before the technology becomes feasible."
That, and the inconvenient truth that NASA has no space-worthy vehicle and no plans to sent any astronauts into space in the foreseeable future.

Sen. Tom Coburn calls out Defense Department in Wastebook "He says Pentagon savings could total $100 billion a year "without difficulty."
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2013 4:14:01 PM

I75at7AM said: "we learn that the popular progams Medicaid and Heat Start are ineffective at best"

Heat Start???

Is that an offshoot of the condom program? ;)
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2013 2:52:06 PM

In a far-reaching and deeply telling piece, we learn that the popular progams Medicaid and Heat Start are ineffective at best, and under the government's own EBT criteria, should not be continued.

The Case For Evidence Based Government.

"In 2010, HHS released the findings of the Head Start Impact Study, which tracked the progress of three- and four-year-olds entering Head Start through kindergarten and first grade. Overall, Head Start had little to no positive effects for children who were granted access."

"So for an annual cost of 8.1 billion federal dollars, which must be matched by 1.6 billion state and local dollar we get a program that not only achieves virtually nothing but is proven detrimental to the development of children in some areas."

Over at Medicaid, the story is not any better:
"Yesterday, I posted on the strong evidence that indicates that Medicaid does not provide better outcomes for its enrollees than those outcomes experience by a similar age/income cohort that does not have health insurance."

More about the Head Start
"For the second time in two years, a Congressionally mandated study of the Health and Human Services program has shown it does not work. Its published date is October 2012, but it wasn’t released until after Obama’s election, presumably so Democratic campaigns could safely accuse Republicans of not caring about children and ignore the actual results of the programs they favor…"

"Naturally, on the heels of these scientifically rigorous findings, the president announced his desire for a massive expansion of Head Start and state pre-K programs. Universal pre-K— Who could object to that?"

Liberals who approve of continued massive spending on proven failure projects can now commence to attack this post, and don't forget to attack my sources and me while you're at it. It's part of your M.O.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Nov 19, 2013 1:37:41 PM

How the government LOSES your money:

Pentagon's Cooked Books Hide Lost Billions - Reuters finds $8.5T in spending has never been audited

"And yet "because of its persistent inability to tally its accounts," the Pentagon has yet to undergo a single audit since 1996, though federal agencies are required to have them yearly. The lack of an audit means $8.5 trillion—almost $27,000 for every man, woman, and child in America—has gone unaccounted for."

I wonder if the retired Rep. Ron Paul and his current Senator son Rand Paul are as earnest for a Defense Department audit as they are for a comprehensive Federal Reserve audit.....

Of course, unaccounted for money might have spent according to budget and plan, they just can't show records of where it was spent. Or it might have been misappropriated. Absconded. Stolenated.
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Nov 8, 2013 4:20:59 PM

Something is wrong with the picture.
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Oct 6, 2013 12:29:06 PM

While I often butt heads with friend Flyboy, it is true that the way the govt spends money is a problem. It is one of the few things everyone agrees on these days. Unfortunately our priorities are very different.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Sep 25, 2013 9:48:22 AM

I am re-reading my previous post and trying to make sense out of it.

Ha haaa!

Did I write that?

Looks like it was rattled off so fast that it became nothing but gibberish.

Looking at EZ's post is my only clue.

OK, now I get it.

Why would the government have control over money simply because it was transferred from one owner to another?

You pay your bills.
You pay your taxes.
You buy what you want to buy.
What you have left is yours.

Is there some part of that which is disputable?
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Aug 15, 2013 4:04:42 PM

Why would the gvot have control ov money because it was transferred from one owner to another? You corollary no sense, Exit.
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2013 5:56:18 PM

I can't believe I missed this:

Steve: <<<"Once you pay 'your money' to someone else or to an institution such as the government or a big corporation it is no longer 'your money.' At that point it becomes -their- money. You have no more right to control that money. They can do as they please with it.">>>

--There is a corollary to this:
All monies paid to someone else, or a institution or big corporation, are 100% controllable by the government at any time for any reason without exception. This is also known as the Wizard of Oz Corollary. In layman speak it is known as the "all you own you owe" rule.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Aug 14, 2013 11:44:17 AM

The government is spending money destroying money, in this case, badly printed $100 bills at the Bureau of Engraving and Printing.

A Blunder At The Money Factory

Perhaps we should just subcontract the printing to North Korea.
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SemiSteve
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Message Posted: Jul 3, 2013 11:41:46 AM

This is like complaining about what corporations and the rich do with 'your' money after you have paid it to them.

Sorry to have to explain this to you.

Once you pay 'your money' to someone else or to an institution such as the government or a big corporation it is no longer 'your money.' At that point it becomes -their- money. You have no more right to control that money. They can do as they please with it.

Your only recourse is to advocate for better usage through representation, in the case of the government, or through consumer advocacy groups or dealing with customer service in the case of corporations.
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Tru2psu2
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Message Posted: Jul 3, 2013 5:18:16 AM

wastes it!
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2013 4:56:16 PM

More on the student load flap:
Washington's $279 Billion Fraud - Elizabeth Warren and Harry Reid fight Obama and the GOP on student loans.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2013 12:50:55 PM

Since health care rates may double or even triple for healthy (young) Americans, the current generation of college students is really getting screwed by the Obama Administration and the Democrats. I just hope they have enough intelligence to realize who has screwed them so royally and remember to vote accordingly for the next fifty years.

They won't be able to scare up enough "new" voters (illegal immigrants who get legal status) to overcome an entire generation of native Americans who are being used and abused by the whims of people who claim to know what is best for them.

Meanwhile, don't invest in real estate, at least not starter homes, as no one in that generation is going to be in any financial position to buy a house anytime soon.


[Edited by: I75at7AM at 7/2/2013 12:57:16 PM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2013 12:44:58 PM

I75 - but dont you remember when Obamacare passed part of how to pay for it was for the govt to take over student loans. So if the rates are lowered will Obamacare still be such a fantastic deal and so 'cost effective'?
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Tru2psu2
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2013 12:40:46 PM

FLAT OUT WASTE!

And you know we have no one to blame but ourselves...

We elect, re-elect and RE-elect folks who make the rules...that don't apply to them but only us. Fox guarding the hen house.

There should be NO incumbents...you serve ...one-term..and you are out...

Only way to break this culture of corruption in DC.

No pension, no perks, no special treatment...

You go in there to serve US---and your country....How long before we WAKE UP?????!!!!!
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PatAZ
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2013 11:06:17 AM

Let's be honest and call it what it is, wasting, not spending.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Jul 2, 2013 8:49:54 AM

Well, the government has been spending money for decades by subsidizing student loan interest while the students are still in school. After graduating (or dropping out) students begin to pay the loan back and the interest is added to the loan balance.

Now, the government has thrown graduating students under the school bus.
Interest rates on new college student loans double, but Congress could restore low rates later
Student loan rates double after Congress fails on fix
Interest rates double on federally backed loans for college students after Congress breaks for the holiday without taking action

Of course Congress will eventually reduce the interest rate, retroactively, and continue to spend taxpayer money to subsidize the huge balloon of student loan debt.

College students make a handy political football though.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Jun 21, 2013 12:43:31 PM

How does the government spend our money? Increasing on Entitlement programs.
The growth of entitlement programs in on a geometrically-increasing path, which is obviously unsustainable. So, the
US Chamber of Commerce Wants to Fix Entitlement Programs

"America has a problem — increasingly expensive entitlement programs.

And the U.S. Chamber of Commerce announced a campaign to solve it, according to The Washington Times.

The Chamber warns that spending on entitlement programs is going reach such levels that it will crowd out spending on defense, infrastructure and even education."

"Without federal spending reform — driven primarily by entitlement costs — interest payments on our national debt will reach almost $1 trillion per year by 2023 and explode well beyond that — not if, but when, interest rates get back to normal levels," Josten said.

We've all been warned. Numerous times over the past years.
Is anyone in Washington (government) listening?
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Jun 11, 2013 1:15:50 PM

Senate Passes Bloated $955 Billion Farm Bill 66-27

"The Senate on Monday passed a five-year farm bill that promises to cut "$24 billion from farm spending over 10 years, including a $4 billion reduction to food stamps."

"Fox News reported:
The wide-ranging, five-year agriculture measure would cost taxpayers $955 billion.
That bulk of the money -- $760.2 billion -- would go toward the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program – or commonly known as the food stamp program."
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Jun 6, 2013 10:11:11 AM

"Unless explicitly restrained, government programs organically expand. After several years, they bear little resemblance to their original intent."

Gotta agree with this. But I disagree with the GOP's frequently proffered solution of doing away with programs completely.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Jun 6, 2013 8:00:14 AM

While the EPA is busy regulating everything in sight, perhaps they have not been as busy as it seems.
Secret Man Caves Found in EPA Warehouse

"We don't have any field operations to do today."
"That's okay, there's a game on TV!"
"Want a beer with your sammich?"
"Sure, I'm almost done with my workout."
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Apr 22, 2013 9:51:44 AM

Perhaps you have nor heard of this program.
'MarcoPhone' Program Covers Area Including 200k Sq Miles, 7+ Million People, Open-Ended Funding

Note to Marco Rubio, yes, people are paying attention to what you say and do.
As this article explains, federal programs can be set up one of two ways, and that set up has a lot to do with how that program grows over the years.

"In designing a federal grant program, one can opt for very general eligibility criteria, to provide certain flexibility, but strictly limit the funding to ensure the grant is narrowly applied. One could, alternatively, detail very specific eligibility criteria, with less restrictions on funding, to ensure grants get where they are intended."

So far, so good.
It's when a program gets designed (legislation passed) that provides very general criteria and less restrictions that a program has the potential of growing out of control. To wit, the "Obamaphone" program is an outgrowth of a program to provide land-line telephones to people who couldn't afford them in years past.

"It is important to remember that the federal program providing cell-phone service, popularly known as "ObamaPhones" began its life decades ago as a program to subsidize land-line phones for low-income people. It the past few years, however, it has expanded to cover cell phones and eligibility is now more directly tied to other welfare programs. It is estimated that 8 million people currently receive free federal cell-phone and cell-phone service and up to 35% of all Americans could qualify for the program.

Unless explicitly restrained, government programs organically expand. After several years, they bear little resemblance to their original intent."

And that is "How The Government Spends Your Money"

[Edited by: I75at7AM at 4/22/2013 9:53:02 AM EST]
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2013 4:22:32 PM

lol, that condom use gives a WHOLE new meaning to stimulus.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Apr 4, 2013 4:13:14 PM

$423,500 Stimulus Program on 'Correct Condom Use' Yields Zero Jobs

So, what did they spend the money on?

[Edited by: I75at7AM at 4/4/2013 4:15:29 PM EST]
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Mar 25, 2013 9:28:35 AM

""I wonder how that last 50¢ got on there? ""

Probably his tip to the Bellhop....
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2013 12:45:15 PM

How the government spends your money: sending officials overseas on trips

VP to London: Biden's $459,388.65 Hotel Bill "Approximately 136 hotel rooms for 893 room nights."
Okay, so that works out to about 6-1/2 nights. For a large entourage. Fair enough.
Read on.

Biden's One-Night Paris Hotel Tab: $585,000.50

I wonder how that last 50¢ got on there?
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 9:47:03 PM

Gocatgo“”Fly, prepare yourself for a possible attack by gorgeous naked babes from peta. I'm sure peta followers will tell you chimps have rights too.””

This topic was all my idea. I put Fly up to it. So if there are any gorgeous naked babes from PETA I should be the one to have to deal with them. I can’t let Fly take the blame it was me, all me, I swear.

All joking aside this is the type of thing that needs to end before we start to cut SSI, Medicare or the military. I also include the waste in all the above mentioned also.

[Edited by: johnnyg1200 at 2/4/2013 9:50:35 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 9:29:20 PM

Curtis & Leroy saw an ad in the Starkville Daily in Starkville, MS. and bought a mule for $100. The farmer agreed to deliver the mule the next day.
The next morning the farmer drove up and said,"Sorry, fellows, I have some bad news, the mule died last night."
Curtis & Leroy replied,"Well, then just give us our money back."
The farmer said,"Can't do that. I went and spent it already."
They said, "OK then, just bring us the dead mule."
The farmer asked, "What in the world ya'll gonna do with a dead mule?"
Curtis said, "We gonna raffle him off."
The farmer said, "You can't raffle off a dead mule!"
Leroy said, "We shore can! Heck, we don't hafta tell nobody he's dead!"
A couple of weeks later, the farmer ran into Curtis & Leroy at the Piggly Wiggly grocery store and asked. "What'd you fellers ever do with that dead mule?"
They said,"We raffled him off like we said we wuz gonna do." Leroy said,"Shucks, we sold 500 tickets fer two dollars apiece and made a profit of $998."
The farmer said,"My Lord, didn't anyone complain?"
Curtis said, "Well, the feller who won got upset. So we gave him his two dollars back."
Curtis and Leroy now work for the government.
They're overseeing the Bailout & Stimulus Programs.
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 5:08:40 PM

It is easy for anyone of us to find wasteful government spending... spending that is obvious to eliminate. However, the nation's senators, representatives, and even the president can't see anywhere that we can cut spending, that is why they simply raise taxes.

Perhaps there is something in the DC water that causes permanent loss of common sense and erodes away comprehension skills in budget management.

:::shrug:::
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 4:47:47 PM

15 facts about military spending that will blow your mind.

Fly, the chimps are just a tiny tip of the iceberg in govt spending. I'm glad to see no one from Peta has attacked you yet.
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 4:46:34 PM

15 facts about military spending that will blow your mind.

Fly, the chimps are just a tiny tip of the iceberg in govt spending. I'm glad to see no one from Peta has attacked you yet.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 12:38:05 PM

gocat - throw me into the briar pach already----

The thinking of people who spend money like that is interesting. What possible reason could folks have to waste money like that? The only reason I can see is they dont see it as real money - just something that comes from da gubbiment and they have to scramble to get as much as they can.

The real problem is we have way too many people thinking that it doesnt matter if they spend just a 'little' here adnf there cause the govt always has more. But this thinking has resulted in us spending something like 40% more than we collect in taxes. People see nothing wrong with this --- WHY?
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 9:56:10 AM

Fly, prepare yourself for a possible attack by gorgeous naked babes from peta. I'm sure peta followers will tell you chimps have rights too.
Good Topic.

I can't believe there aren't wild like centers around the nation that would gladly accept the chimps at no cost to tax payers.
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 9:44:30 AM

when people don't have to make a payroll or have regard for 'earned' money, it becomes easy to spend other people's tax money in extreme foolish fashion, the majority of congress probably fits this profile, the potus most assuredly fits the profile.
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 9:27:53 AM

""to testing the exercise ability of shrimp on a treadmill ""

WOW....LOL.....!
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 7:41:41 PM

Some more food for thought
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>>>The Senate’s top waste watcher, in a new report Thursday, said taxpayer money has gone to funding jello wrestling in the Antarctic, to testing the exercise ability of shrimp on a treadmill and to a laundry-folding robot - all funded by the National Science Foundation.

Sen. Tom Coburn, Oklahoma Republican, said he identified more than $3 billion in mismanagement at NSF, ranging from questionable studies to exorbitant operating costs, and in some cases the agency duplicates the operations of other agencies.

At a time when the government is struggling with record deficits, he said the agency is an example of the kinds of spending taxpayers should not tolerate.

“There is little, if any, obvious scientific benefit to some NSF projects, such as a YouTube rap video, a review of event ticket prices on stubhub.com, a ‘robot hoedown and rodeo,’ or a virtual recreation of the 1964/65 New York World’s Fair,” Mr. Coburn wrote to taxpayers in introducing the 73-page report, which has more than 350 footnotes.<<<

Dont ya just love paying taxes now.
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