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Panama19

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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 4:04:52 PM


White House releases photo of Obama shooting at Camp David

What's with the smoke coming off the top of a double barrel shotgun?

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Message Posted: Feb 5, 2013 6:18:24 PM



Answer to Jorgie's question: "Wouldn't the shell have hit in the face shooting that way? It looks phony to me."

No, because to empty the gun you have to use the level on top of the gun where the barrel then pivots forward breaking the gun in two basic parts.
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Message Posted: Feb 5, 2013 5:46:14 PM

It makes for a great caption/photoshop contest!

[Edited by: SUVFan at 2/5/2013 5:47:09 PM EST]
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theTower
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Message Posted: Feb 5, 2013 5:33:26 PM

"It's a photo op.........."

I also believe that was the case.
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 11:04:34 AM

jorgie, the photo is kind of fuzzy (or my eyesight) but that looks like a 12ga over and under. The shooter has to push the lever on the top rear of the receiver to open the shotgun. The shell(s) are ejected as you open the shotgun.

Ac, I spent many a winter day with my friend and his beagle hunting rabbits. Shooting that close to the ground is normal. The only thing that was in danger were the jackrabbits.

We also had a winter jackrabbit league.

This example is from a Illinois group:

JAcK RABBIT PROGRAM FORMAT
50 targets are shot at eAch Program Event – 25 Singles and 25 Handicap (yardage based on Singles Score between 20 and 25 yards). The hosting club will squad shooters and Act as Event judges. If there are weather problems, the weekly hosting club will make a decision regarding the shoot. Cancelled shoots will not be made up. The JAck Rabbit web site (www.winterjackrabbit.com) will provide a display feature if a shoot is cancelled due to weather

[Edited by: Cliffisher at 2/4/2013 11:06:12 AM EST]
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Jorgie
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 10:19:23 AM

Wouldn't the shell have hit in the face shooting that way? It looks phony to me.
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 10:16:21 AM

Better shot than Cheney! Doubtful that he is, but still a humorous comment!

Cliffsher said: "How many people have joined the NRA in the last three months only because it was the "Right" thing to do? You may know some of them. They are the "If Obama is against it, then I'm for it" types."

--I think especially in hard economic times folks aren't going to part with money so easily. It costs like $2K to become a life member of the NRA, so I think not everyone is going to do that.

Oh, and Pax - there are sporting clays also. But that's not what he's doing. He's shooting skeet. So, no, I don't buy your explanation. Particularly since skeet shooting is up above you, not directly in front of you. If he were shooting up into the air, I'd believe it. He's shooting parallel or almost parallel to the ground. To wit - when shooting, you want to be in the neighborhood of about 2 telephone poles away from the target (and I'm talking about in 3D space, angles included, not perpendicular). So you're saying the target was 10 - 20' off the ground and over 100' away. Nope, too far. And if it were, even with the follow up, he let it get too far. Not only that, it's dangerous to fire that close to the ground, even with a full choke barrel. Or don't you know that about shotguns?

[Edited by: AC-302 at 2/4/2013 10:21:23 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 9:41:31 AM

smells like a political ploy/pic to me, unusual stance, late release, seeminly obvious pose with gun fire/smoke to alledge that he actually shoots all the time, ya sure, ok
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 9:39:50 AM

Definitely a better shot the Darth Cheney!
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 9:31:11 AM

Maybe he is a better shot then Dick Cheney???
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Panama19
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 12:10:52 AM


Edger, "Maybe we will find out that Obama is an NRA member, under one of his many aliases, of course"

If so, his card is probably sealed.

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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 6:48:42 PM



The barrel has been ported which means there are holes drilled in the barrel to let gas out to help control the rising of the barrel and the recoil.

He probably really did the shot, but really doesn't know how to shoot,
for he should have been leaning forward from the waist up, not standing straight up with his weight on his back left leg.

It's a photo op to make every believe he knows what he talking about when it comes to guns and his love for guns.

Yea right!

This just showed the opposite to me!

Thanks for the thread, Panama19.


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PatAZ
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 6:44:16 PM

I highly doubt he was doing anything more than posing shooting a shotgun.
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 4:58:27 PM

Getting membership in the NRA does not make a person knowledgeable in handling firearms.

It is insufficient to go buy a firearm and then just keep it for when you might need it or look for a firing range to get practice. There is much more to know and gun owners need to be taught the proper procedures in firing the weapon, cleaning it, and safely storing it. They need to learn proper safety rules.

1) Never point the weapon at anyone you don't intend to shoot. Policemen, BTW, often violate this rule when arresting someone.

2) Don't miss the target. This is important and why you need to practice at a firing range. If the bullet is not stopped by your target, it can cause injury or death to innocent bystanders or damage to property. Make sure your target will stop the bullet. This means you need to be close enough to be sure the target will stop the bullet.

3) Clean the weapon and re-lubricate it after use to keep it in good condition.

4) Store it so that only you or someone you designate can have access to it. The prevents those who cannot handle it properly from hurting themselves and/or others and prevents thieves for obtaining possession of it.

Now look at the picture. That person does not know what he is doing; he is incompetent.
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 4:57:30 PM

Getting membership in the NRA does not make a person knowledgeable in handling firearms.

It is insufficient to go buy a firearm and then just keep it for when you might need it or look for a firing range to get practice. There is much more to know and gun owners need to be taught the proper procedures in firing the weapon, cleaning it, and safely storing it. They need to learn proper safety rules.

1) Never point the weapon at anyone you don't intend to shoot. Policemen, BTW, often violate this rule when arresting someone.

2) Don't miss the target. This is important and why you need to practice at a firing range. If the bullet is not stopped by your target, it can cause injury or death to innocent bystanders or damage to property. Make sure your target will stop the bullet. This means you need to be close enough to be sure the target will stop the bullet.

3) Clean the weapon and re-lubricate it after use to keep it in good condition.

4) Store it so that only you or someone you designate can have access to it. The prevents those who cannot handle it properly from hurting themselves and/or others and prevents thieves for obtaining possession of it.

Now look at the picture. That person does not know what he is doing; he is incompetent.
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PappaVanTwee
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 4:29:02 PM

Actually, his angle is not quite 90 degrees. At 6'1", at a 95-100 degree angle, at 100 feet he's shooting something at 15-20 feet off the ground.

Of course, there are other types of clay shooting out there that could explain this. But being experts, most people out here should KNOW that.
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 3:09:20 PM

"To say most NRA members don't know anything about guns doesn't look to be any where near true on my end."

How many people have joined the NRA in the last three months only because it was the "Right" thing to do?
You may know some of them.
They are the "If Obama is against it, then I'm for it" types.

Like when all of those on the "Right" went and stood in line at those chicken places.

Just sayin.
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 2:55:37 PM

All the NRA members I know are gun builders/modifiers, load their own ammo or both and others are gun dealers.
To say most NRA members don't know anything about guns doesn't look to be any where near true on my end.
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 2:37:18 PM

I liked the picture. It gave me a good laugh.
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 2:11:20 PM

You're absolutely right, Cliff. There's a lot of NRA members that don't know know "shells" from Shineola. Of course, most of them are the liberals who have joined the organization to promote gun control from within the organization. You know, guys like Michael Moron. Most folks who will put money into that membership do know what they're talking about.
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 2:00:15 PM

"FAce it - it's a photo op. He knows nothing about guns beyond "point and shoot"."

Ac, like about 95% of the citizens of this country. I would include a lot of NRA members in that category.

As a side note, bAck in the '80s I shot trap on two different teams. Both teams had one person who were "pull" "bang" shooters. Many times I watched the break targets ten feet out of the trap house. Me? I had an old 1954 12Ga. pump with a long barrel. My method was to lead the bird until it just about reAched the top of its travel and then break it.

I sure miss those days.
(I had the gun rebuilt at Gander Mtn. last year.)

[Edited by: Cliffisher at 2/3/2013 2:08:38 PM EST]
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 1:19:39 PM

Pax - have you ever yourself shot skeet OR trap?

Skeet comes from one side or the other. Even on a follow up shot, or doing doubles, he should never be shooting parallel to the ground. Once it gets to ground, you let it go. If he was even a mediocre shot, he should have got it already while it was in the air.

Nope, once again, my friend.. you're wrong. And your link does not address what was asked. Your posting of this link and not understanding how it related to the question shows me that you are inexperienced at target shotgun shooting as well.

Oh, and let me post some of the text from your e-how link:

1.Hold the shotgun so the butt is against your shooting shoulder. Your shooting hand should be near the trigger, while your other hand holds the gun on the stock just before it meets the barrel to provide stability.

2
Bend your neck so your cheek is against the shotgun stock and you are looking down the barrel with your dominant eye.

3
Follow the flying clay pigeon with your shotgun. As you are looking at it, the pigeon should be slightly above the end of the gun.

4
Move the end of the gun so it is slightly ahead of the clay pigeon.

5
Pull the trigger, but keep swinging your gun. A proper follow through after pulling the trigger will increase the number of pigeons you hit.


[Edited by: AC-302 at 2/3/2013 1:25:14 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 1:11:53 PM


Maybe we will find out that Obama is an NRA member, under one of his many aliases, of course.
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 12:25:52 PM

The photo was taken after recoil. The barrel rocks upward. The barrel position would have been flat or lower when he pulled the trigger. If he were breaking birds within a couple feet of the trap, would he be at that angle. Skeet, no way. It's a photo op. It's a good picture to laugh at.

[Edited by: SoylentGrain at 2/3/2013 12:27:00 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 11:20:39 AM

Pax, don't confuse those suffering from ODS with facts. Hard for them to digest.
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 11:15:47 AM

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Why in the heck he's shooting parallel to the ground makes no sense if he's skeet shooting? What's up with that, Barry? And the way he's holding the gun suggests to me he's a little inexperienced.

Face it - it's a photo op. He knows nothing about guns beyond "point and shoot".
<<<

Again, look at my link:

How to shoot at clay

Does the picture here look familiar? 90 degree angle, how he's holding the gun? It's pretty much how it's held, and if you missed on the first shot, aiming and shooting on the second can be the reason he's shooting at 90 degrees.
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 11:12:10 AM

>>>
"Extreme anti-gunner, Michael Moore became a member of the NRA to gain credibility with his fans."

That's a very odd thing for him to do, considering who his fans are.
<<<

He joined the NRA after Columbine because he wished to become it's president and dismantle it.
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 9:06:24 AM

This photo is much better than the Photoshop one. The president doesn't know how to hold a shotgun. It's obvious he hasn't done this much.
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 5:33:24 AM

hypocrisy???
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"Extreme anti-gunner, Michael Moore became a member of the NRA to gain credibility with his fans."

That's a very odd thing for him to do, considering who his fans are.
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Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 12:20:41 AM


AFSNCO, thanks for the link - I stand corrected.

In all my years of shooting I never ran across that before in an over/under double.

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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 8:06:58 PM

I have to believe that smoke coming off the top is a vented barrel or a form of muzzle brake to keep the barrel from jumping during recoil. Why in the heck he's shooting parallel to the ground makes no sense if he's skeet shooting? What's up with that, Barry? And the way he's holding the gun suggests to me he's a little inexperienced.

Face it - it's a photo op. He knows nothing about guns beyond "point and shoot".
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 7:55:07 PM

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We all know that this photo is a mainstream news media publicity stunt to lull the American public into thinking that Obama is not anti-gun, right?
<<<

Photo op, yes. Lull the American public? Not really.
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 7:54:04 PM

AF beat me to it, but here's another.

The 90 degree angle might bother some, but if he missed on the first shot, maybe he shot at a 90 degree angle when the clay was on the way down.
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We all know that this photo is a mainstream news media publicity stunt to lull the American public into thinking that Obama is not anti-gun, right?

This is a very common tactic with the anti-gunners. They claim to be gun owners and shooters in an attempt to gain credibility. With a lot of help from the media of course.

Extreme anti-gunner, Michael Moore became a member of the NRA to gain credibility with his fans. Of course we know Moore's stance on guns and the NRA from his film, Bowling For Columbine. Of course, it is not that difficult to become a lifetime member of the NRA. All Moore needed to do was fill out an application online and pay his dues, as shown here:

NRA Membership sign up

See, it doesn't take much. All he had to do was pay for it with a credit card. He did not need to show any skills at shooting or knowledge of gun. And here is a picture of Moore with a gun:

Moore with a gun

And let us also remember that the media was trying to decoy the gun owners by helping John Kerry with a photo op by publishing posted pictures and videos of him duck hunting. Of course, anyone checking Kerry's voting record knows that he did not run into an anti-gun bill that he did not like. Here is a picture of Kerry's photo op.

News media photo op of Kerry

So does this Obama picture really surprise anyone?

Does Obama really want to convince us that he shoots and is a gun owner? Show us a certificate that he completed a hunter safety course from at least 8 years ago. Or show us a series of pictures of him shooting at a range from several years ago. Or show us a receipt for a gun that he purchased from several years ago. Or show us an NRA membership card from several years ago.
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 7:17:30 PM

I would go skeet shooting with my dad, one thing I noted was the shotgun barrel is at a 90 ° from his body....when you actual get a shot off in skeet you shotgun is not at a 90 ° from your body. Was he perhaps doing trap and didn't know the difference?

I am the same girl, my dad took 410 shooting when I was 12. I shot the 410, handed it to my dad and walked to the truck. I said, I don't want to do this. wimpy.
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 6:50:01 PM

Well I be go to heck there AF. They do exist! Maybe I have to take the photo at face value. He is shooting a real gun.....

Now I havent shot trap or skeet in thirty some years but I bet I could whup him in a match.
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 6:21:49 PM

Ported Shotgun Barrels

Usually used for shooting skeet so you do not recoil as much and can get back on double targets quicker.
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 6:13:53 PM

Pax, AFSNCO, Jd - anyone --- post a link to the shotgun that is a stackbarrel with recoil vents in the barrels please - I would like to see it.
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 6:07:45 PM

I have a .300 WIN Mag that the barrel is vented. It makes it loud as heck!
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 6:05:24 PM

6 months to release this photo, but 4-5-6 or more years to release a birth certificate that still smells of doctoring

and yup on the vent for the prupose of less recoil
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 6:04:09 PM

"Something doesnt look right about tht photo. I used to shoot competitive trap. I never did see that much smoke when someone shot a modern shotgun."

They may have vented the barrel to reduce recoil.

[Edited by: AFSNCO at 2/2/2013 6:07:19 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 6:02:26 PM

Was he golfing or shooting skeet?
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 5:47:11 PM

Paxy I have to admit I have been out of the shooting game for about thirty years now but I never heard of a stackbarrel double that had recoil compensator vents in the top barrel. Must be something new for sure....

Butr I am glad to have a place that tells me how to hold a shotgun and aim at clay birds... ;-0
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 5:33:27 PM

His stance looks pretty similar to this:

How to Aim at Clay Pigeons

As for the puff of smoke at the top, it is a vent that helps prevent recoil.
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 4:57:40 PM

@panama and Flyboy --- I doubt there is anyone on the left or right that deny that this was just a photoshoot. It just seems like it would be easier and far less risky to have him actually shoot the gun rather than take a photo of him holding it then doctor the photos later.

What would be the point of a coverup for something like that?
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 4:44:05 PM

Pan it just looks odd to me. But then according to some I have a severe case of ODS. But he sure is straining to hold on to that smokepole aint he.
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 4:38:10 PM


flyboyUT, the smoke is against a dark background, and that could make it stand out more. The thing that I found odd was the smoke coming up three or four inches behind the muzzle. It looks like there is a vent there for some reason. I have never seen that sort of thing before and don't know what it is.

He is also holding the shotgun like a rifle, which makes one question whether he was shooting skeet or just posing for a photo-op.

I guess we know the answer to that question.


[Edited by: Panama19 at 2/2/2013 4:41:03 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 4:35:50 PM

I have to ask this (though i suspect i know the answer im going to get from our more vehement anti-Obama posters).


What is more likely here they staged a photo shoot with Obama shooting skeet and the photog caught a decent puff of smoke in the shot



or




Its all a made up photoshopped forgery
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 4:31:32 PM

Overdose of ODS today?
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Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 4:13:58 PM

Something doesnt look right about tht photo. I used to shoot competitive trap. I never did see that much smoke when someone shot a modern shotgun.

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