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EZExit Champion Author Phoenix Posts:10,369 Points:1,704,630 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Feb 1, 2013 12:21:05 PM Ignore EZExit Report Abuse It looks like Obama has now reversed his pre-election stance of forcing employers to provide contraception coverage for its employees as a part of ObamaCare©, even when it goes 100% against the grain of the beliefs and morals of the employer, especially when it is not something needed for health care. This flip flop only apparently applies to non profit employers. Nice deflection from the 48 suits currently filed in regard to this. Contraception Mandate Clarified To Accommodate Religious Groups, Obama Administration Announces

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It looks like Obama has now reversed his pre-election stance of forcing employers to provide contraception coverage for its employees as a part of ObamaCare©, even when it goes 100% against the grain of the beliefs and morals of the employer, especially when it is not something needed for health care.

This flip flop only apparently applies to non profit employers. Nice deflection from the 48 suits currently filed in regard to this.

Contraception Mandate Clarified To Accommodate Religious Groups, Obama Administration Announces

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gocatgo Champion Author South Carolina Posts:15,623 Points:2,525,580 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2013 11:52:08 AM Ignore gocatgo Report Abuse So which is it cons are you happy or are you just bellyaching as usual about a flip flop you were for before you were against? Men's influence on women and abortion today is ebbing by the minute. If you don't believe in abortion don't get one. If you want to preach become a minister. I think that is what Rnorm did. Fly, "you are now a member of the language control army" and you are the 5 star general. Thanks for the laugh bud. Btw my last Army enlistment ended in 1968. Norm, "bingo & boom", unfortunately cons are deaf and can't hear the boom. Bell, "some people can't handle the truth" some can't handle your language either. So are you really an outraged Jack Nicholson? worry, I've never heard of men using Viagra for "pulmonary hypertension". I thought it was all about being afflicted with a lack of muscle tone in the front lower torso. ;)
NickHammer Champion Author Maryland Posts:16,155 Points:2,575,985 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2013 9:37:44 AM Ignore NickHammer Report Abuse >>It's astonishing to me that right-wing hates ObamaCare given that it was originally a proposal by the Heritage Foundation.<< Yes, and the individual mandate was championed by the likes of Newt Gingrich and Orrin Hatch. But it reinforces what Norm wrote: "Even after Obama agrees with their position and gives them what they want, they STILL complain!!!" >>I don't like ObamaCare because it doesn't go far enough. Why not single-payer?<< The reason ObamaCare doesn't go far enough or include single-payer (as I'm guessing you already know) is that he wouldn't have been able to get enough votes to pass a bill that included those items you would have liked to see in it.
PopcornPirate Champion Author New Jersey Posts:3,904 Points:1,169,700 Joined:Nov 2006	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2013 8:54:00 AM Ignore PopcornPirate Report Abuse Wait???? Obama Flip Flops? How shocking .
worryfree Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:23,822 Points:1,864,800 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 11:27:56 PM Ignore worryfree Report Abuse Sildenafil (Viagra) does have another medical use besides ED. In a lower, daily dose it is used for pulmonary hypertension.
Sneakers55 Champion Author Houston Posts:51,247 Points:2,139,925 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 7:08:52 PM Ignore Sneakers55 Report Abuse Yes, and Jehovah's Witnesses object to blood transfusions. Is a health care provider allowed to pick and choose what they want to cover under a minimum standard plan? (Yes, they are, at least for now.) It's astonishing to me that right-wing hates ObamaCare given that it was originally a proposal by the Heritage Foundation. I don't like ObamaCare because it doesn't go far enough. Why not single-payer? Effectively, we have that now with employer-provided health insurance.
Bell30012 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:3,914 Points:616,565 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 10:36:03 AM Ignore Bell30012 Report Abuse There are actually medical reasons that birth control is prescribed that have nothing to do with preventing pregnancy. In these cases it should be treated like any other prescription medication and the normal copay of the policy or plan collected. But if it is just so she can fornicate without having to worry about the consequences, then I'm against paying for it. As for my being on an ignore list, some people can't handle the truth. If we all agreed the world would be a boring place. I always tell the truth and state my opinions, that hurts some people's feelings. You and I may not always agree but I'll defend your right to say it.
AC-302 Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:26,541 Points:2,897,345 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 10:12:02 AM Ignore AC-302 Report Abuse Wasn't it Sonya Sotomayor who personally blocked Hobby Lobby's request for a stay pending the law's outcome? And now Obama has offered "clarification" that supposedly will take into account religion for a private business, but, no, Hobby Lobby still has to "pony up". While I understand both sides, once again, this is one of those unintended consequences that the Democrats rarely think though and get right in their efforts to give everything to everyone "for free". [Edited by: AC-302 at 2/4/2013 10:12:31 AM EST]
no1doc Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:20,520 Points:1,773,265 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 9:58:34 AM Ignore no1doc Report Abuse Bell30012, "If the birth control is required for a medical reason, great cover it. If it is just so she can screw like a rabbit, then she can pony up." ............ She can pony up regardless of "medical reasons". We all have to pay for prescriptions which actually are medically indicated. It's pure bizarre ideology to single out contraceptives as the only "medication" which should be absolutely free. So we still have to pay for asthma medication so we can breathe but, birth control pills are free? Talk about Alice In Wonderland reasoning. Off with their heads.
RNorm Champion Author San Bernardino Posts:44,728 Points:775,365 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 11:47:59 AM Ignore RNorm Report Abuse "It would appear cons are against any and everything Obama says which makes their opinion of him irrelevant in most every discussion." Bingo and Boom! Even after Obama agrees with their position and gives them what they want, they STILL complain!!! So bro, just as you said, their opinions are almost irrelevant in just about every discussion.
flyboyUT Champion Author Utah Posts:22,772 Points:1,007,535 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 11:46:43 AM Ignore flyboyUT Report Abuse Gocat - you are now an honorary soldier in the language control army. ;-) sgm that is a really good question for sure. Medically it really isnt necessary IMHO. But one thing - the way that drug is used its not acting as an abortifacient is it? Those drugs that operate by killing the child are different than those things/drugs that prevent the conception of a child. BIG difference to me.
gocatgo Champion Author South Carolina Posts:15,623 Points:2,525,580 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 11:39:51 AM Ignore gocatgo Report Abuse Bell, "women that can't afford contraceptives". Unless you live in an ivory tower you should be well aware that there are poor people that can barely afford to eat let alone pay for contraceptives. Fyi I'd go easy on the word "screw" some people are very sensitive about language on these topics. It would appear cons are against any and everything Obama says which makes their opinion of him irrelevant in most every discussion. [Edited by: gocatgo at 2/3/2013 11:44:27 AM EST]
Michiganian Champion Author Michigan Posts:5,729 Points:827,725 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 9:58:52 AM Ignore Michiganian Report Abuse Why do you think the person who made the sexist remark is on the ignored list?
sgm4law Champion Author Maryland Posts:18,780 Points:2,373,800 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2013 1:42:09 AM Ignore sgm4law Report Abuse "If it is just so she can screw like a rabbit, then she can pony up." Then why is it "medical condition coverage" to pay for Viagra? That is the one and only purpose of that medication.
johnnyg1200 Champion Author St. Louis Posts:4,101 Points:640,320 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 11:09:10 PM Ignore johnnyg1200 Report Abuse What Obama has to say at this point is meaningless. Its all up to the courts and congress. Or at least it should be.
worryfree Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:23,822 Points:1,864,800 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 10:58:27 PM Ignore worryfree Report Abuse And it matters not because Romney lost.
MiddletownMarty Champion Author Connecticut Posts:17,531 Points:268,635 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 9:11:32 PM Ignore MiddletownMarty Report Abuse Yes I saw that, and I pointed out what a sexist attitude it is.
Bell30012 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:3,914 Points:616,565 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 9:06:37 PM Ignore Bell30012 Report Abuse Hey Marty, I've already expressed that I can't believe there are women that would screw a man that can't afford to buy a box of condoms but apparently they are.
MiddletownMarty Champion Author Connecticut Posts:17,531 Points:268,635 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 9:03:12 PM Ignore MiddletownMarty Report Abuse "If it is just so she can screw like a rabbit, then she can pony up." It takes two. To place the entire onus on the woman is the apex of sexism. I personally can't believe that there are men with so little self-control and sense of responsibility that they would actually engage in unprotected sex, but apparently there are. [Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 2/2/2013 9:05:24 PM EST]
Bell30012 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:3,914 Points:616,565 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 8:50:39 PM Ignore Bell30012 Report Abuse How would I come to that conclusion? Pretty simple really. This administration and the Democrat party feel that it is a serious issue that WE must pay for contraception methods for women. I have no issues with women having access to contraception methods, but I have a problem with being forced to pay for it. I also don't want to pay for guys having hair transplants either. Contraception methods and hair transplants are choices, not necessity. If the birth control is required for a medical reason, great cover it. If it is just so she can screw like a rabbit, then she can pony up.
Michiganian Champion Author Michigan Posts:5,729 Points:827,725 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 7:45:25 PM Ignore Michiganian Report Abuse Not a complete flip flop as contraceptive coverage can be provided by a third party if a bonafied non-profit religious organization qualifies. If not, the objector MUST provide coverage.
sgm4law Champion Author Maryland Posts:18,780 Points:2,373,800 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 3:30:14 PM Ignore sgm4law Report Abuse "I personally can't believe that there are women with such low self worth that they would actually have sex with a man who can't afford a box of condoms, but apparently there are." That's an impressively odd way of looking at this. How would you ever reach that conclusion?
EZExit Champion Author Phoenix Posts:10,369 Points:1,704,630 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2013 2:46:51 PM Ignore EZExit Report Abuse Just as I thought, there is absolutely no arguments from anyone about some of the inane portions of the ObamaCare© law, the parts such as this that would have been corrected if the law was crafted properly, and not rushed through back halls in the cover of darkness. This is a step in the right direction, but there are many more parts of the law that still needs to be cleaned up.
Bell30012 Champion Author Atlanta Posts:3,914 Points:616,565 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Feb 1, 2013 1:26:25 PM Ignore Bell30012 Report Abuse This doesn't change anything on the lawsuits by companies such as Hobby Lobby where the owner vehemently opposes abortion and contraceptives. There are people other than religious organizations that oppose paying for birth control. I personally can't believe that there are women with such low self worth that they would actually have sex with a man who can't afford a box of condoms, but apparently there are.
flyboyUT Champion Author Utah Posts:22,772 Points:1,007,535 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Feb 1, 2013 12:28:55 PM Ignore flyboyUT Report Abuse From the linked article - "Religiously affiliated organizations that choose to insure themselves would instruct their "third-party administrator" to provide coverage through separate individual health insurance policies so that they do not have to pay for services to which they morally object. “Today, the administration is taking the next step in providing women across the nation with coverage of recommended preventive care at no cost, while respecting religious concerns,” said Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. “We will continue to work with faith-based organizations, women’s organizations, insurers and others to achieve these goals.” . . So they who self insure dont have to pay for abortions but they must tell those who adminsiter their helath insurance policies to provide abortions. They they top it off with saying it will be free?????? Just how dumb do these people assume we are? Obamaspeak at its finest. That is right up there with his promises of not raising taxes on folks with a lower income. He lied then and he is lying now. Remember all the times he said Obamacare is not a tax but then its suddenly a tax. I dont think these politicians would know the actual truth if it slapped them in the face.