airfresh
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Message Posted: May 21, 2013 9:07:14 AM
Maybe we should have learned what was in it BEFORE we passed it eh Nancy?
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: May 18, 2013 12:11:44 PM
What happened to all the Obamacare cheerleaders on these threads? They seem to have all gone mute.
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theTower
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 7:15:14 PM
Obama Care® is going to be a complete and utter failure and one giant government boondoggle.
For once Nancy Pelosi knew what she was talking about when she said it had to pass to find out whats in it.
It passed and man oh man did we find out.
[Edited by: theTower at 5/13/2013 7:16:06 PM EST]
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wbacon
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 5:57:38 PM
How do you like the name to this law?? Probably deliberately worded in the exact opposite just to deceive the "Low information" voter
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 3:46:51 PM
It isn't just cancer patients, that might face much higher costs, it's any critically ill patients, that need high priced medications.
[Edited by: noseatbelt at 5/13/2013 3:48:26 PM EST]
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mweyant
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Message Posted: May 13, 2013 5:14:38 AM
Cancer patients could face high costs for medications under ObamaCare, critics warn
5-13-13
"To try to keep premiums low, some states are allowing insurers to charge patients a hefty share of the cost for expensive medications used to treat cancer, multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis and other life-altering chronic diseases."
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: May 6, 2013 8:53:42 AM
What abnormal growth?
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EZExit
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Message Posted: May 2, 2013 1:16:02 PM
Another sign of democrats jumping the ObamaCare© ship, distancing themselves for possible re-election possibility:
Harry Reid: More funding needed to prevent ObamaCare from becoming 'train wreck'
It's funny, it felt so warm & fuzzy at the time they ramrodded that through the system.
[Edited by: EZExit at 5/2/2013 1:18:32 PM EST]
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: May 1, 2013 6:18:48 AM
Just wait...many of us that actually earn and pay for our own healthcare have not even seen the impact of the "subsidy" tax that is going to hit us.
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mweyant
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Message Posted: May 1, 2013 5:30:25 AM
ObamaCare: Insurer plans to raise rates 25 percent, will still lose money
4-29-13
Maryland’s largest individual market insurer, CareFirst BlueCross BlueShield, has submitted an average proposed rate increase of 25 percent for next year, plainly citing ObamaCare’s new rules as the reason.
But the most telling piece of the story is that it originally wanted a 50 percent increase, as reported by Kaiser Health News. Recognizing that this would make their insurance product too expensive to attract consumers, they instead asked for the 25 percent increase.
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Apr 16, 2013 11:55:45 PM
I seem to remember that before the bill was passed so we could find out what was in it some us conservatives said that the healthcare exchanges would cost more than forecast. Some of the critics said that it would cause insurance to go up. We were told that Obamacare would result in more people having insurance, but what we are seeing is that millions will lose their insurance instead. We were told that more people would have insurance paid for by their employers. What we are finding is that employers are cutting jobs because of Obamacare. Some of these lost jobs are going oversees and private investment in the medical research field is dropping. Those of us that said employers would cut hours to avoid the cost of healthcarewere ignored, called stupid or worse. It’s starting to look like the critics of Obamacare were right after all.
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2013 6:53:45 PM
Nation's biggest movie theater chain cuts workweek, blaming ObamaCare.
Now instead of having a low paying job with no healthcare they have a part time low paying job with no healthcare.
Can someone tell me again how this is helping people?
[Edited by: johnnyg1200 at 4/15/2013 6:54:23 PM EST]
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2013 3:44:18 PM
It's really amazing, how deathly quiet obama and friends have been here lately, with mostly bad reports coming out about obamacare. You would think they would at least, be out trying to spin the reports into something good. Are they finally runing out of lies, do they realize, that obamacare, is coming apart at the seams?
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Apr 15, 2013 3:16:44 PM
Nation's biggest movie theater chain cuts workweek, blaming ObamaCare
"In addition, some managers have requested guidance on what they should tell those employees negatively impacted and, at your discretion, we suggest the following,” read the memo obtained by FoxNews.com. “To comply with the Affordable Care Act, Regal had to increase our health care budget to cover those newly deemed eligible based on the law's definition of a full-time employee.”
“To manage this budget, all other employees will be scheduled in accord with business needs and in a manner that will not negatively impact our health care budget,” the message continues."
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Apr 12, 2013 3:05:32 AM
Obamacare Exchanges Costs Double: $4.4 Billion
4-10-13
"As a number of Republican governors continue to say “no” to Obamacare, the U.S. Health and Human Services Department (HHS) on Wednesday acknowledged that the president’s signature healthcare law is racking up twice the costs to set up the all-important insurance exchanges.
HHS more than doubled its previous cost estimate of $2 billion for the amount it expects to spend to help states set up insurance exchanges, which is a central component of Obamacare.
The agency now expects to spend $4.4 billion by the end of the year, reports The Hill."
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Apr 8, 2013 2:43:50 AM
Look Out Below, The Obamacare Chaos Is Coming
4-7-13
"Just wait until the broad realization dawns that the harsh reality of Obamacare is that tens of millions will lose their employer provided insurance because of the perverse incentives under the program. Even the establishment CBO admits that at least 7 million, and as many as 20 million, will lose their employer coverage. In February, CBO reported that “in 2019 [5 years after Obamacare is implemented], an estimated 12 million people who would have had an offer of employment-based coverage under prior law will lose their offer under current law [aka ‘Obamacare’].”
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Apr 6, 2013 7:23:38 AM
BTW...wait until we all start paying for the subsidies for the people that cannot afford to purchase insurance that is qualifying as outlined by this law. Prices are just going to keep going up for the givers and the takers are just going to keep taking and voting in people that want to give them everything.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Apr 6, 2013 7:22:16 AM
noseatbelt, you also have noted how they have stopped talking it up. There are so many things we are finding out are in there after it was passed that nobody likes. It is amazing how much hair gets ripped off with a giant band-aid even when you only have a small cut. They tried to fix everything with one big bill and instead have made a mess out of healthcare in our country...but hey...they got it passed and that is all they care about.
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Apr 6, 2013 4:54:59 AM
Marchant questions 'inflated' salaries for ObamaCare insurance navigators
4-5-13
“I have great concerns over the lack of need and the significant resources that the navigator program and its support staff will consume,” Marchant continued. “Hiring tens of thousands of new workers that cannot treat patients, nor even by definition actually enroll citizens in a qualified health plan, appears to be a significant misuse of taxpayer funds.”
The above excerpt is from RegWatch, which is The Hill's regulation blog.
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 2:56:05 PM
It seems like every day more bad news comes out about obamacare. You don't hear democrats braging it up like we used to, I wonder why?
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Apr 3, 2013 4:46:45 AM
Administration decides to delay on ObamaCare’s promise of small-business insurance options
opinion
4-1-13
"The NYT reports that the administration is encountering some, ahem, difficulties meeting their deadlines, and has decided to delay on a program that’s supposed to help provide affordable insurance for small businesses and their employees — one of the entire law’s major selling points."
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Apr 2, 2013 12:14:35 PM
This thing is nothing more than a nightmare that has come to life. Freddie Cruger is just loving Obamacare!
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Apr 1, 2013 10:53:30 AM
Obamacare: Affordable Care Act's false promise of universal coverage
3-22-13
"Prior to the Affordable Care Act, the uninsured were largely young and healthy or working for companies that did not offer health insurance. Most had money to buy health insurance but chose to pay their own medical costs. Under Obamacare the uninsured will be those who pay the projected $55 billion in opt-out penalties, who fall between the cracks of Medicaid and government authorized exchanges, or whose employers drop employee coverage. (Remember Obama's promise: "If you like your current insurance, you can keep it.")
Obamacare moves us from a system of voluntary to involuntary uninsurance. Why do we not hear about these facts from the mainstream media?"
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2013 9:41:37 AM
Small businesses are dropping their insurance plans. Plan prices are rising.
How exactly is this helping anyone?
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Mar 30, 2013 5:59:01 AM
States cutting hours to avoid workers' health care costs?
3-29-13
"It's all about the money. Virginia has a balanced budget amendment, and if it's not in the budget, and we can't afford it, we don't cover it."
[Edited by: mweyant at 3/30/2013 5:59:35 AM EST]
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2013 10:06:35 AM
From that article:
"The disparities are striking. By 2017, the estimated increase would be 62 percent for California, about 80 percent for Ohio, more than 20 percent for Florida and 67 percent for Maryland. Much of the reason for the higher claims costs is that sicker people are expected to join the pool, the report said."
Seems to want to hit those Democrat stongholds pretty dang hard. I guess they got what they voted for!
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2013 10:03:19 AM
Study: Health care overhaul to increase claims costs by 32 percent
OUCH!!!!
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Mar 27, 2013 9:35:33 AM
Oh those sneaky Democrats...nice discovery mweyant!
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2013 11:29:02 PM
Carney: Thank Clinton-era for Obamacare voter registration provision
3-26-13
Not all the costs are monetary ones.
"White House press secretary Jay Carney said Tuesday that including the voter-registration question on applications for health insurance coverage actually dates to a Clinton-era precedent.
. . .
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When a reporter suggested that Obamacare would be used to register more Democrats to vote, Mr. Carney again asserted, “It’s not about the Affordable Care Act.”
But he added, “I’m not sure that it’s such a terrible thing that people might want to register to vote.”
A House Republican leader on Monday asked the administration to explain why it included the voter question in a draft application to use insurance marketplaces under the health-care law. If people respond “yes” to the voter-registration question, they are linked to an online voter application form.
“While the healthcare portions are lengthy and complex on their own, the draft documents wander into areas outside the Department’s purview and links applications for health insurance subsidies to voter registration,” Rep. Charles W. Boustany Jr., Louisiana Republican, said in a letter to Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius.
The lawmaker noted that in 974 pages of the health-care law, “nowhere in the law is voter registration mentioned.” "
[Edited by: mweyant at 3/26/2013 11:30:11 PM EST]
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2013 11:29:01 PM
Carney: Thank Clinton-era for Obamacare voter registration provision
3-26-13Not all the costs are monetary ones.
"White House press secretary Jay Carney said Tuesday that including the voter-registration question on applications for health insurance coverage actually dates to a Clinton-era precedent.
. . .
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When a reporter suggested that Obamacare would be used to register more Democrats to vote, Mr. Carney again asserted, “It’s not about the Affordable Care Act.”
But he added, “I’m not sure that it’s such a terrible thing that people might want to register to vote.”
A House Republican leader on Monday asked the administration to explain why it included the voter question in a draft application to use insurance marketplaces under the health-care law. If people respond “yes” to the voter-registration question, they are linked to an online voter application form.
“While the healthcare portions are lengthy and complex on their own, the draft documents wander into areas outside the Department’s purview and links applications for health insurance subsidies to voter registration,” Rep. Charles W. Boustany Jr., Louisiana Republican, said in a letter to Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius.
The lawmaker noted that in 974 pages of the health-care law, “nowhere in the law is voter registration mentioned.” "
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Mar 26, 2013 11:15:52 PM
Study: Health Care Overhaul to Increase Claims Cost by 32 Percent
3-26-13
"Medical claims costs -- the biggest driver of health insurance premiums -- will jump an average 32 percent for Americans' individual policies under President Obama's overhaul, according to a study by the nation's leading group of financial risk analysts.
The report could turn into a big headache for the Obama administration at a time when many parts of the country remain skeptical about the Affordable Care Act. The estimates were recently released by the Society of Actuaries to its members.
While some states will see medical claims costs per person decline, the report concluded the overwhelming majority will see double-digit increases in their individual health insurance markets, where people purchase coverage directly from insurers.
The disparities are striking. By 2017, the estimated increase would be 62 percent for California, about 80 percent for Ohio, more than 20 percent for Florida and 67 percent for Maryland. Much of the reason for the higher claims costs is that sicker people are expected to join the pool, the report said."
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Mar 22, 2013 1:23:31 PM
Bipartisan push to repeal medical device tax gains traction in Senate
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2013 3:02:03 PM
No exemptions for ANYBODY, from The President to Congress and on down. It's so wonderful; we should ALL have to enjoy it.
Same care, same wait times, same restrictions, same costs.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2013 9:46:32 AM
The unions have finally read it now that it is passed and know what is in it...Pelosi and the left cronies knew it was going to cost trillions of dollars in subsidies passed on to other tax payers. This was one of the hidden features along with the rationing of care the Obama himself said...sometimes you just need to take a pill. It is all inevitable.
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2013 7:14:50 AM
The unions will continue to ask for exemptions from ObamaCare (yet they pushed for it).
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Mar 18, 2013 5:06:27 AM
Obamacare New Taxes Equal Sequester Spending Cut – Chriss W. Street
3-15-13
"Despite 10 years of sequester trillion dollar spending cuts and Obamacare’s trillion dollar tax increases, Federal spending and national debt will rise each of the 10 years.
The Census Bureau’s recently put out a report, which was hailed by the proponents of Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) that recorded a net decrease of 1.3 million in uninsured people since the passage of the bill. But the reported drop only reflects increases in government insurance, including 2 million newly insured under Medicare merely by aging, and another 2 million joining Medicaid. Without more insured by government, it would appear that Obamacare has already caused at least 700,000 more people to lose healthcare. Furthermore, the expected 20% increase in annual healthcare premiums this year and another 15% next year will cause thousands of small business to terminate healthcare benefits and move workers to part-time status.
According to Forbes Magazine, The Obamacare medical device tax on revenues, not just profits, is estimated to cause more than 400,000 high-paying U.S. jobs to be eliminated as devise companies move production off-shore to escape the onerous taxes. Boston Scientific has estimated their taxes will rise by more than $100 million a year, so they built a $35 million research center in Ireland and announced another $150 million site in China. Stryker of Michigan cut of 1,000 workers last November “in advance of the new Medical Device Excise Tax.” Cook Medical of Indiana scrapped plans to open five new plants in the Midwest, while saying “in reality, we’re not looking at the U.S. to build factories anymore as long as this tax is in place.”
At the inception of Obamacare, then Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Congress had to “pass the bill so you can find out what is in it.” Mostly what we have now found lurking in Obamacare’s 2,700-pages are less healthcare and more taxes."
Projected new estimates are itemized in this article.
[Edited by: mweyant at 3/18/2013 5:08:04 AM EST]
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2013 7:28:03 AM
mudtoe said: "Just look to Britain to see what's in store for us."
You KNOW it will get bad when those of us currently with a straight set of pearly whites start to see them growing out in all different directions! ;)
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Mar 16, 2013 4:21:34 AM
The Doctor Won't See You Now. He's Clocked Out
3-14-13
Opinion
"Big government likes big providers. That's why ObamaCare is gradually making the local doctor-owned medical practice a relic. In the not too distant future, most physicians will be hourly wage earners, likely employed by a hospital chain.
Why? Because when doctors practice in small offices, it is hard for Washington to regulate what they do. There are too many of them, and the government is too remote. It is far easier for federal agencies to regulate physicians if they work for big hospitals. So ObamaCare shifts money to favor the delivery of outpatient care through hospital-owned networks.
The irony is that in the name of lowering costs, ObamaCare will almost certainly make the practice of medicine more expensive. It turns out that when doctors become salaried hospital employees, their overall productivity falls.
ObamaCare's main vehicle for ending the autonomous, private delivery of medicine is the hospital-owned "accountable care organization." The idea is to turn doctors into hospital employees and pay them flat rates that uncouple their income from how much care they deliver. (Ending the fee-for-service payment model is supposed to eliminate doctors' financial incentives to perform extraneous procedures.)The Obama administration also imposes new costs on physicians who remain independent—for example, mandating that all medical offices install expensive information-technology systems.
The result? It is estimated that by next year, about 50% of U.S. doctors will be working for a hospital or hospital-owned health system. A recent survey by the Medical Group Management Association shows a nearly 75% increase in the number of active doctors employed by hospitals or hospital systems since 2000, reflecting a trend that sharply accelerated around the time that ObamaCare was enacted. The biggest shifts are in specialties such as cardiology and oncology."
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Mar 2, 2013 9:46:19 AM
That medical device tax is only going to have one consequence...drive up prices for medical care. Like the sequester talks the only thing the Democrats are guaranteed of doing consistently is look for new ways to tax anyone and everyone.
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Mar 1, 2013 1:46:30 AM
Cook CEO to Toomey: MDT will drive our device business overseas
2-26-13
"The Keystone State senator, who for many years ran a small restaurant with his brothers, drew out from Steve Ferguson, the chairman of Cook Medical, a discussion about the damage President Barack Obama’s medical device tax has on his company during a Feb. 26 hearing of the Senate Budget Committee.
“Am I right in understanding that because of the medical device tax and if it stays in effect, you will forgo expanding production in the United States of medical device manufacturing?” said Sen. Patrick J. Toomey (R-Pa.), who in addition to helping to operate the restaurant in Allentown, Pa., had a successful Wall Street career.
“Yes, our future growth will have to be in Denmark or Australia,” the Cook chairman said. Cook Medical is a family-owned medical device company based in Bloomington, Ind., with more than 10,000 employees.
The medical device tax is a 2.3 percent levy on sales including in the president’s landmark 2010 Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. The levy is unique because it does tax profits, as is the case with other corporate taxes.
In the case of a company with $1 million in device sales, it would owe $23,000 for the MDT. If the company made a profit of $100,000, before deductions it would owe another $35,000 in corporate income taxes giving this relatively small company a tax rate of 63 percent. That 63 percent rate would come down with deductions, but the deductions apply only to the corporate income tax, not the MDT."
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2013 6:40:35 PM
Yes...SCOTUS did but Obama and the other Democrats said it was not so...the first step for the Democrats should be to admit they have a problem.
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2013 6:24:38 PM
“””””””Oh wait...this is a tax but the libs do not want to admit it!”””””””””Even after the SCOTUS said it is a tax.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2013 10:51:38 AM
There is so much in this bill that we had to find out after it was passed. Now the Democrats find themselves defending one of the most flawed pieces of legislation that has ever been passed in our country...it is right up there with our tax code. Oh wait...this is a tax but the libs do not want to admit it!
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mweyant
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Message Posted: Feb 27, 2013 12:29:34 AM
Employers Dropping Your Spouse’s Health-Care Coverage?
2-22-13
The law says you have to cover the kids, but not the spouse.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 10:18:36 PM
"The sad part is that there will be plenty of fully subsidized people to vote Democrat and protect their freebie."
That is exactly it...all those that will be "penalized (taxed)" for $4000 and getting $20,000 in healthcare premiums will see Obama and the Democrats as a savior. But I still want to know where that other money comes from to make up the difference. Of course I know but I just want one of the liberals on here to admit it.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 12:42:14 PM
ej: "Democrats have effectively bribed their way to a permanent majority. "
It won't be permanent. Once we go broke and the economy collapses, whoever is left will have a chance to start over.
mudtoe
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e_jeepin
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Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 11:39:48 AM
Again, when this all this comes to light and penalties assessed, Americans will wake up to the Democrats stupidity.
The sad part is that there will be plenty of fully subsidized people to vote Democrat and protect their freebie.
The scale will be tipped, we cant possibly out-vote that base.
Democrats have effectively bribed their way to a permanent majority.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 11:08:37 AM
Just look to Britain to see what's in store for us. Rationing and poor service will become the order of the day.
mudtoe
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 9:43:44 AM
btc tried to defend it in this thread by saying the "penalty" for not having insurance will be quite small.
Only problem is the link shows there is a monsterous gap between premium costs and the penalty that will be assessed. So, my question is...who picks up that cost? Hmm....
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 7:32:10 AM
Well, at least this signature "accomplishment" of Obozo's has his fingerprints all over it, as well as Pelosi's and a host of other Dumbocrats. No Republican "obstructionists" were able to block it, although it should be quite obvious now that that would have been the best thing for Americans.
Kudos to michaelphoenix2 for being the only liberal with enough courage to post in this thread. All others must be frantically searching for something good to say about this healthcare nightmare that had been shoved down our throats!
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