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101Speedster

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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 5:36:14 PM

Do you agree with those that believe the United States should create a path to citizenship (amnesty) for anyone in this world that has decided to break our laws, enter into our country (often ILLEGALLY), live here ILLEGALLY, and often work here ILLEGALLY? I left out vote ILLEGALLY and collect benefits that are supposed to be for United States citizens. Nor did I mention the number of ILLEGAL aliens that are locked up in our prisons and jails or the number of people that they have killed while here.

In 1986, amnesty was given to approximately 2 million ILLEGAL aliens. That deal invited another 11 million ILLEGALS into our country. No one knows for sure how many ILLEGALS are living in our country because many in our government do not want them counted and prevent us from doing so. Part of that 1986 amnesty deal included a provision that our borders had to be secured so that more ILLEGAL aliens would not enter our country. There was also supposed to be interior enforcement of our immigration laws. Neither one of those things has yet happened.

There are reasons why countries have immigration laws. Considering the fiscal cliffs that we are now facing in this country, we should not even be considering inviting more of the world's poor into this country.

Giving amnesty to those that have had no respect for the laws of this country would only be rewarding them for breaking our laws, putting them at the front of the line, and be a slap in the face to those people in this world that are trying to legally enter, live, and work in this country.
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Nov 27, 2014 9:19:56 AM

We need to naturalize them, however no matter what race, they have no minority status, or do away with minority status laws.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Nov 27, 2014 12:55:25 AM

I'd expand that slightly to citizen or permanent resident alien.
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 9:42:09 PM

How about this for a compromise.
We create a path to citizenship for specific illegal aliens. Obama and the liberals get what he want. Now in return for a law passed by congress creating the path to citizenship the same law would bar ANYONE who is not a U.S. citizen from receiving any benefit paid for by federal, state or local government money. That would mean if someone is not a citizen no SSI, Medicare, unemployment benefit, Education loans or even public education. In short if it is paid for by tax dollars it cannot be used by non citizens.

Due to past failures to come through with promises to secure the boarder this would have to be all in the same law. All or nothing.

I could go for this kind of compromise.
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therder
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Message Posted: Nov 26, 2014 7:06:19 PM

Amid heckling from immigration activists at a Chicago campaign event to celebrate his granting temporary amnesty to an estimated 5 million people in the United States illegally, a perturbed President Obama explained: “But what you're not paying attention to is the fact that I just took action to change the law.” Oops. I didn't know a president could change the law. Must have been a freudian slip there by Obama because he quickly walked back the remark.
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rjhenn
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I75at7AM - "Last count: 354 House-passed bills gathering dust in Harry's little dark spot."

Are 353 of them repealing ObamaCare? 7;-]
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Nov 22, 2014 12:32:08 AM

At this point in time, you can't really lay the blame for anything at the feet of "Congress" without delineating which chamber has or has not passed a bill on a specific subject.

Last count: 354 House-passed bills gathering dust in Harry's little dark spot.
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mnrick041
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2014 8:53:16 PM

No, most Americans do not agree with this and I hope the Democrats are punished for this in the next election.
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therder
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2014 7:59:50 PM

rjhenn:>>So, much like the inaction on the part of Congress.<<

You are right about the damage done by Congress' failure to pass an immigration bill that works. They had better do something now because President Obama just told millions of illegals they are welcome to remain, and created expectations of such accommodations, to millions, yet to come.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2014 7:04:34 PM

therder - "The problem all along has been a lack of enforcement of laws already on the books, along with an unsecure border."

That's a bit simplistic, but not far off. It's also a fact that the laws on the books weren't written to be enforceable.

Of course, the fact that the House has refused to even consider the issue makes it nearly impossible to make things any better.

"This action by the president will only make it worse."

So, much like the inaction on the part of Congress.
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therder
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2014 6:32:56 PM

Let me see if I understand this, President Obama is welcoming people who violated the immigration laws of this country because the law is unenforceable because of the sheer numbers already here. So if a law is unenforceable, let's just ignore it. Sends a bad message to those who live by the laws of the land, why should you do it the right way when you can get what you want by doing it illegally? The problem all along has been a lack of enforcement of laws already on the books, along with an unsecure border. This action by the president will only make it worse. I75at7AM is right. Those who have applied to come here from their home countries are chumps.


[Edited by: therder at 11/21/2014 6:33:26 PM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2014 3:21:28 PM

The only "path" for illegal aliens should be the one that says OUT. Then if we have to incur expenses to remove these lawbreakers and send them back home their home country should be sent the bill to 'repatriate' them.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2014 3:20:32 PM

nstrdnvstr - "I agree with about 90% of your position here."

Thank you.

"I think that those that were born here should be considered citizens."

Even if the parents are just tourists, who decided to tour the US in hopes that their baby would be born here?
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2014 3:19:11 PM

I75at7AM - "Sen. Sessions reacts: We must stop Emperor Obama
"Americans defeated President Obama's disastrous amnesty plans both in Congressand at the voting booth. Tonight, President Obama defied an entire nation and declared that he will impose his rejected amnesty through the brute force of executive order."

Funny, the Senate passed an immigration bill last year, but the House has refused to even look at it, or the entire issue.

Isn't that what many Republicans claim only the Democrats do?
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Nov 21, 2014 8:41:00 AM

rjhenn, "I've posted my position and ideas on illegal immigration many times. In essence: Go after the employers; redesign the visa system, including adding a limited numbers temp worker visa that would first go to those already here, with stable jobs and no criminal record; restrict welfare to citizens and permanent resident aliens; reinterpret the 14th so that only those born here to parents who are here both legally and permanently are citizens by birth."

I agree with about 90% of your position here.

I think that those that were born here should be considered citizens. The parents, if illegal, must still go back and come over the right, legal way. They should have the choice to leave their children with family that is here legally of they can take them back to their native country and come back together as a family when going through the proper process. That way families are not being "torn apart".

We currently have US citizens living in other countries, so this would not be much different it that way.

And I don't think that there should be a path to citizenship for those that are here illegally. Maybe a path to legal residence, but since they knowingly and willingly broke several laws by remaining here, they should have to "settle" for eventual legal residency.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Nov 20, 2014 10:15:47 PM

I don't agree with the "path" that 0bama has laid out. Illegals and assorted line-jumpers get to stay, are allowed to get jobs, S Numbers, drivers licenses, and work permits. Those who have applied to come here from their home countries are chumps.

Sen. Sessions reacts: We must stop Emperor Obama
"Americans defeated President Obama's disastrous amnesty plans both in Congressand at the voting booth. Tonight, President Obama defied an entire nation and declared that he will impose his rejected amnesty through the brute force of executive order.

President Obama's executive amnesty will provide an estimated 5 million illegal immigrants with the exact benefits Congress rejected, in violation of federal law. His order will grant them social security numbers, government-issued ID's, legal status and work permits. Illegal immigrants will now be able to take jobs and benefits directly from struggling Americans in a time of high unemployment and low wages."

0bama is a total douchebag.
He obviously hates less-successful Americans, including "his own people".
He has no regard for the Constitution, our laws, or his own prnouncements from years past.

And no, this is not the same thing as other (Republican) Presidents have done in the past. And I disagreed with those actions too.

[Edited by: I75at7AM at 11/20/2014 10:16:18 PM EST]
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therder
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2014 7:51:20 AM

It is looking more likely that President Obama will give amnesty to 11 million illegals by executive order. Giving amnesty without securing the border didn't work in 1986. It won't work now. If he commits this traitorous act he should be impeached. I will shortly be writing to my currently elected officials about this. Hopefully others will do the same.
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I think Chris Mathews is a no......
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Nov 5, 2014 1:05:05 PM

Report: Exec Amnesty 'No Matter How Big a Shellacking' For Dems

"ABC News Chief White House Correspondent Jon Karl reported that according to WH officials “the president will move forward with an executive order on immigration reform “no matter how big a shellacking Democrats get tonight” during ABC’s Election coverage on Tuesday.

Karl said “White House officials are saying that you can expect the president to set an aggressive, and defiant tone tomorrow. You're not going to see any mea culpas, no big firings, no change in direction.”

He added “officials tell me the president is prepared to aggressively pursue his agenda using his power of executive authority, where he can't work with Congress, and the big one is going to be on immigration reform."

So much for "reaching across the aisle" and bipartisanship and doing what is best for the country. Lord 0bama wants it his way and will use his pen to order it.
Does 0bama's core constituency realize how much amnesty will hurt them? Immigrants in general and illegal immigrants in particular start at the bottom rung of jobs, and with black unemployment still above 11% that does not bode well for improving that employment number.
(Shut up, drink your kool aid, cash your benefits check, and continue to vote Democrat)
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mnrick041
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Message Posted: Nov 4, 2014 8:12:09 PM

No, Never. The only "path" we should be creating for these illegal aliens is one that leads back to where they came from.
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Tru2psu2
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Message Posted: Nov 4, 2014 8:00:48 PM

WE HAVE A PATH! USE IT!

[Edited by: Tru2psu2 at 11/4/2014 8:01:15 PM EST]
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Nov 4, 2014 7:38:20 PM

Saw an interesting idea today: instead of the current green card system, simply sell green cards for $50,000 a pop, cash only. And make the penalty for hiring an illegal having to pay for that illegal's green card, cash.

All an illegal would have to do to get a green card is turn in his employer.

How fast would that make the jobs go away?
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rjhenn
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I75at7AM - "Free market is one thing, being played for a fool by being disadvantaged at every turn is a sucker's game and I don't think americans want to play any more."

But isn't that the desired effect of catering to the rich?
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I75at7AM
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Free market is one thing, being played for a fool by being disadvantaged at every turn is a sucker's game and I don't think americans want to play any more.
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rjhenn
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I75at7AM - "Rj, your ideas on handling illegal immigration are okay, but we can secure the border immediately while working to sort out who is already here and what "benefits" they are eligible for."

Except that you can't "secure the border". We might be able to improve security somewhat, but even the Israeli's have been unable to create secure borders.

"Some companies simply offshore the entire workload, from software development to call centers for large businesses. For you to say that businesses should have the option to hire "immigrants" for less to do the work here while Americans need jobs just doesn't make any sense."

While I agree, I think that's a strange position for any conservative to take. It's anti-capitalist and anti-free market.
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teacher_tim - "All of that is reasonable rjhenn, but if you don't stop ilegals from coming in all you are doing is encouraging more."

It's more the other way around. We need to stop encouraging them to come in before we'll have much success at stopping them from coming in.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 3:58:04 PM

Rj, your ideas on handling illegal immigration are okay, but we can secure the border immediately while working to sort out who is already here and what "benefits" they are eligible for.

As for this: >>Immigrants with those skills will work for less than citizens with those skills, so companies want to hire them instead of citizens. <<
I think we should make employment preferences to our own citizens, especially our own children who we paid for twelve years of public school education and probably paid a bunch more for some post-secondary education in the STEM fields. So what if an immigrant will do the same job for less. We let immigrants and migrants (who may be citizens) pick agricultural crops for less pay, but in the STEM fields we don't have a shortage of eligible qualified workers, we have many already trained, looking for work.

Some companies simply offshore the entire workload, from software development to call centers for large businesses. For you to say that businesses should have the option to hire "immigrants" for less to do the work here while Americans need jobs just doesn't make any sense.
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 3:12:29 PM

Obama may do that, but what the government giveth, it can taketh away.

All of that is reasonable rjhenn, but if you don't stop ilegals from coming in all you are doing is encouraging more. That's what happened when we did it under Reagan.
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rjhenn
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I75at7AM - "No, rj, people like me don't sit around waiting for their marching orders to come from Democrat Central."

Actually, that was a reply to jd's post, which, like other posts he's made, looked like it probably came from a chain email.

"I was reading a news site, The Weekly Standard, and the piece about Senator Sessions was there."

Calling the Weekly Standard a news site is stretching things a bit. Like Crooks & Liars on the other side, they're extremely biased.

"Do you care to discuss what is in the column?"

I've posted my position and ideas on illegal immigration many times. In essence: Go after the employers; redesign the visa system, including adding a limited numbers temp worker visa that would first go to those already here, with stable jobs and no criminal record; restrict welfare to citizens and permanent resident aliens; reinterpret the 14th so that only those born here to parents who are here both legally and permanently are citizens by birth.

Once all that's done, then we can look at improved border security.

"Yet we have more than 11 million Americans with STEM degrees who don’t have jobs in these fields."

Which is simply capitalism. Immigrants with those skills will work for less than citizens with those skills, so companies want to hire them instead of citizens.

Are you against capitalism?

"And now, in order to help open borders billionaires, President 0bama is going to deny millions of Americans their shot at entering the middle class and a better life."

Capitalism again: what benefits the already wealthy is what's best for the country. I don't understand how Republicans can be against this. </sar>

[Edited by: rjhenn at 10/31/2014 3:01:06 PM EST]
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 1:48:11 PM

If there is to be a path to citizenship, it MUST start with secure borders. Period.

Anyone caught trying to cross in illegally after a certain date is fingerprinted and deported immediately. A second crossing results in incarceration, then deportation.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 1:47:03 PM

No, rj, people like me don't sit around waiting for their marching orders to come from Democrat Central.
I was reading a news site, The Weekly Standard, and the piece about Senator Sessions was there.
(Actually, it was linked on Drudge this morning.)

Do you care to discuss what is in the column?
In case you didn't actually go there, here is another snippet:

"The WSJ reports that the President is ‘expected to benefit businesses that use large numbers of legal immigrants, such as technology companies.’ Those changes include measures to massively expand the number of foreign workers for IT companies—measures aggressively lobbied for by IT giants like Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gates. Yet we have more than 11 million Americans with STEM degrees who don’t have jobs in these fields. Rutgers professor Hal Salzman documented that two-thirds of all new IT jobs are being filled by foreign workers. From 2000 through today, a period of record legal immigration, all net gains in employment among the working-age have gone entirely to immigrant workers."

"And now, in order to help open borders billionaires, President 0bama is going to deny millions of Americans their shot at entering the middle class and a better life."

We note that the time period 2000 through today includes the totality of the GWB administration, all of 0bama's administration so far, and the last year of the Clinton I Administration.

[Edited by: I75at7AM at 10/31/2014 1:50:30 PM EST]
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 1:45:04 PM

O'Malley, the present governor of Maryland, calls them "new Americans".
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 1:36:57 PM

The only path should be the one way path out of the US.

Illegal Alien means just what it says. They are not a citizen of this country and they entered the country illegally and broke our laws in the process. They should never have an opportunity to become a citizen.
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 1:30:44 PM

Another chain email?
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 10:08:02 AM

I thought obama called them or referred to them as: undocumented voters/citizens
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Oct 31, 2014 8:58:23 AM

Senator Jeff Sessions: 'The World Has Turned Upside Down'

"Senator Jeff Sessions will soon release this statement in response to a report in the Wall Street Journal that details President Obama's plans to unilaterally implement amnesty."

"The Wall Street Journal confirmed today that the President is planning to issue a massive unilateral executive amnesty after the election."

"In its report, the WSJ certifies that this executive amnesty would provide work permits for illegal immigrants—taking jobs directly from struggling Americans."

We need to call this what it is: ILLEGAL AMNESTY

Such an executive order is above and beyond any president's actual power. All true citizens must stand up and refuse to abide by any provisions of any such ILLEGAL executive action.
Congress should move to block the action. Law enforcement officers and other government workers should refuse to enforce anything called for illegally under such an illegal order.

We already have 92 million Americans who don't work. Do we really need to make illegal aliens "legitimate" and encourage more to come here? We have so many poor people (47 million on food stamps), do we really need to import more?
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2014 10:09:26 AM

Republican RNC chair Priebus Rallies Base: GOP Will Stop 0bama's 'Un-American' Amnesty if We Win Senate

"Reince Priebus, the chairman of the Republican National Committee (RNC), says it’s “un-American" for President Barack 0bama to consider implementing an executive amnesty for millions of illegal aliens across the country."

"Priebus promised the hundreds of activists on the call that the Republican Party, if it takes the Senate on Nov. 4 in the upcoming midterm elections, will do everything in its power to stop 0bama from proceeding on the executive amnesty. Priebus even boldly predicted that Republicans can and will succeed in stopping 0bama if elected on Nov. 4."

I will believe that when I see it happen.

[Edited by: I75at7AM at 10/28/2014 10:10:08 AM EST]
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"That solves their 'problem' of staying with their family but still (in a sense) punishes them for breaking our laws."

Yes, it would create a lifelong punishment.

From what I've read, the very worst penalty that can currently be assessed in our criminal courts is six months in jail for first-offense improper entry into the U.S. A fine can be added to that jail time.
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Message Posted: Oct 28, 2014 9:06:15 AM

Civil Rights Advocates tell Obama: Amnesty Harms Black Workers....



"A top civil rights advocate is warning President Obama that extending executive amnesty to millions of illegal aliens will deeply harm black workers.
Peter Kirsanow, as U.S. Civil Rights Commissioner, says in an Oct. 27 letter to Obama and the Congressional Black Caucus that U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services' recently revealed preparations for a huge ID "surge" upped his alarm over what the president has planned.
“Granting work authorization to millions of illegal immigrants will devastate the black community, which is already struggling in the wake of the recession that began in 2007 and the subsequent years of malaise,” he explained.
"Illegal immigration has a disparate impact on African-American men, because these men are disproportionately represented in the low-skilled labor force," Kirsanow added. "
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reb4
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 8:36:39 AM

I agree with going after employers , also the Government who is hiding the fact that they know there are people illegally using Social Security Numbers illegally...
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Message Posted: Oct 27, 2014 2:34:04 AM

reb4 - "Need to secure borders"

Can't work until we reduce the demand for illegals. That requires going after the employers and legalizing drugs to end the drug trade.
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2014 12:51:56 PM

ntsrdnvstr:>>Can't we just have a path to legal residency instead? That solves their "problem" of staying with their family but still (in a sense) punishes them for breaking our laws.<<

Because legal residents who are not citizens cannot reward democrats with most of their votes.
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2014 9:05:34 AM

Here is my counter question:

Why do they need (or should they get) a path to citizenship? They either broke the law crossing our border or by staying past their allotted time.

Can't we just have a path to legal residency instead? That solves their "problem" of staying with their family but still (in a sense) punishes them for breaking our laws.
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Message Posted: Oct 26, 2014 4:44:54 AM

no
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reb4
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Message Posted: Oct 25, 2014 11:49:58 PM

Need to secure borders
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Aug 28, 2014 8:51:19 AM

Great post, therder.

As for what is broken, our (government's) will to enforce existing law is what is broken. Laws exist to monitor border crossings, build a security fence, deport people who have been caught here illegally, and allow a specified number of immigrants each year. We also have laws that establish special cases of refugees, such as any person from Cuba and other peoples who are fleeing repression. Escaping poverty in another nation is not an automatic qualifier as a refugee. Claiming that you are afraid of gangs and thugs is just a ploy to play our system, and everyone knows it. The border patrol knows it, our higher ups in government know it, government officials in the source nations know it, the drug cartels and coyotes operating in the border areas know it, and our media knows it. I'm sick of everyone pretending that the problem is something other than what it is.
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Message Posted: Aug 27, 2014 4:31:55 PM

therder - "Pro-amnesty supporters always say in the media is that our immigration system is somehow “broken”."

Which is a distortion. The fact is that, while our immigration system needs some work, what's actually "broken" are all the places these people are running away from.
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owt:>>There is a path, there are many on it and it is the legal one. Others trying to jump in front of the line should be forbidden to do so. People doing it the legal way are probably more offended by the illegals trying to jump line. Send them to the rear to do it properly.
They were given amnesty with the intent to secure the border, they got amnesty and we got NO border security. They can say it is secure all day long but that doesn't make it so. if it is so secure, everyone that states that it is should be required to live there.<<

"Immigration reform" is just a euphemism for amnesty. It didn't work in 1986. It won't work now. This isn't the 1850s anymore: we have no railroads to build. We have no more lands to settle. We have no labor shortage--in fact we have MILLIONS of people out of work. We have immigration laws for very good reasons (not the least of which is to weed out criminals and people with communicable diseases), and let's be real: these aren't doctors or scientists sneaking over the border; these people are poor, uneducated, are a drain on our social programs. Pro-amnesty supporters always say in the media is that our immigration system is somehow “broken”. It’s not broken—our laws just aren’t being enforced. If it were broken, tens of millions of people would not have been able to immigrate legally over the decades. Millions of hard working immigrants have succeeded in becoming citizens the legal way. It’s not easy, and in no country in the world are citizenship badges handed out to people for merely crossing a border. Again, we, and every country in the world, have immigration laws for very good reasons. The pro-amnesty people don’t want our immigration laws “fixed”—they just want citizenship handed to them on a silver platter. They want to cut in line in front of millions of people who are following the rules and trying to become citizens legally. We also have historic precedent that takes the guesswork out of what will happen with “immigration reform”. Like the amnesty of 1986, we learned if you reward illegal behavior, you just get MORE illegal behavior. If we pass this new round of "immigration reform", we'll be having this discussion again in ten years when millions of more illegals have scurried over our border and dug in demanding THEIR amnesty (err excuse me, “immigration reform”).
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Aug 10, 2014 7:14:59 AM

therder, "Children born in this country whose parents are illegal aliens should not be automatically granted citizenship. The citizenship clause in the 14th amendment was never about children of illegal aliens. It was about children of freed slaves."

I don't have a problem with those children being citizens. Their parents are still illegal aliens and must leave. They can choose to take their kids with them or leave them here with family members that are here legally.
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Message Posted: Aug 9, 2014 12:21:49 PM

The only path should be for the exit.
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Message Posted: Aug 9, 2014 12:15:48 PM

There is a path, there are many on it and it is the legal one. Others trying to jump in front of the line should be forbidden to do so. People doing it the legal way are probably more offended by the illegals trying to jump line. Send them to the rear to do it properly.
They were given amnesty with the intent to secure the border, they got amnesty and we got NO border security. They can say it is secure all day long but that doesn't make it so. if it is so secure, everyone that states that it is should be required to live there.
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