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101Speedster

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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 5:36:14 PM

Do you agree with those that believe the United States should create a path to citizenship (amnesty) for anyone in this world that has decided to break our laws, enter into our country (often ILLEGALLY), live here ILLEGALLY, and often work here ILLEGALLY? I left out vote ILLEGALLY and collect benefits that are supposed to be for United States citizens. Nor did I mention the number of ILLEGAL aliens that are locked up in our prisons and jails or the number of people that they have killed while here.

In 1986, amnesty was given to approximately 2 million ILLEGAL aliens. That deal invited another 11 million ILLEGALS into our country. No one knows for sure how many ILLEGALS are living in our country because many in our government do not want them counted and prevent us from doing so. Part of that 1986 amnesty deal included a provision that our borders had to be secured so that more ILLEGAL aliens would not enter our country. There was also supposed to be interior enforcement of our immigration laws. Neither one of those things has yet happened.

There are reasons why countries have immigration laws. Considering the fiscal cliffs that we are now facing in this country, we should not even be considering inviting more of the world's poor into this country.

Giving amnesty to those that have had no respect for the laws of this country would only be rewarding them for breaking our laws, putting them at the front of the line, and be a slap in the face to those people in this world that are trying to legally enter, live, and work in this country.
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Duperza
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Message Posted: Mar 31, 2014 10:03:42 PM

United States already has a path to citizenship. You're disenfranchising the American people and the immigrants who are attempting to obtain citizenship legally. Why reward cutting in line?
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therder
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2014 5:42:14 PM

>>Can anyone explain why they need to be given citizenship after breaking our laws?<<

I would have less problem with them being given a path to become legalized nationals rather than voting citizens. (But this is really about increasing the ranks of democrat voters. Our vice-president recently said he already considers illegals citizens.) What a travesty!
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2014 3:46:31 PM

Can anyone explain why they need to be given citizenship after breaking our laws? Can't they be given legal status and nothing more after going through background checks, paying fines, etc.?
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Hemond
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2014 3:22:32 PM

QUOTE::::>>>Amnesty for illegals? Thank St. Ronald. <<<<
I conceder this one of Reagan’s biggest failures as president. ::::




Here we have history repeating itself. We are about to witness once again the proof of Santayana's statement "Those who refuse to learn from history are condemned to repeat it."

The Reagan mistake of granting amnesty to these criminals turned out to be a disaster. But Reagan had no history to go by. Obama does.

[Edited by: Hemond at 3/28/2014 3:23:03 PM EST]
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Mar 28, 2014 1:47:27 PM

Joe Biden says, as far as he is concerned, they already are citizens.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Mar 2, 2014 12:24:25 AM

Republican Congressman from Texas Pete Sessions says we should.
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Feb 25, 2014 11:52:53 AM

Our government can't process or keep up with the paperwork for people that come here legally. How could our government process the paperwork for 20 million ILLEGALS if amnesty were granted? Background checks? You're dreaming.
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2014 4:06:14 PM

"The Post also reported on July 7, 2012, in "U.S. pushes for more scientists, but the jobs aren't there," on high-tech graduates who cannot find jobs. The Post quotes Jim Austin, editor of the online magazine ScienceCareers: "And yet, it seems awfully hard for people to find a job. Anyone who goes into science expecting employers to clamor for their services will be deeply disappointed."

Maybe they need to trim the number of H1B visas.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2014 2:42:47 PM

Or even necessary! Wouldn't that be embarassing?

What if they gave an Amnesty and no one stayed? (paraphrasing an old anti-war line...)
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2014 2:01:01 PM

You are correct, I75, it's gotten so bad with our economy that many illegals are voluntarily returning "home". The longer and worse the economy gets, the less likelihood that amnesty will be a priority, or even possible.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Feb 24, 2014 1:22:45 PM

One of the standard arguments of those in favor of Amnesty is that America needs more workers, both unskilled and highly-skilled. Of course, the unskilled labor argument falls flat as we have millions out of work, many because they have few skills.
But the argument that America needs more high-tech workers has been quashed.
Amnesty: Not Just for Low-Skilled Workers?
"The Washington Post reported on April 24, 2013, in "Study: There may not be a shortage of American STEM graduates after all," on a recent study by the Economic Policy Institute..."

"The Post also reported on July 7, 2012, in "U.S. pushes for more scientists, but the jobs aren't there," on high-tech graduates who cannot find jobs. The Post quotes Jim Austin, editor of the online magazine ScienceCareers: "And yet, it seems awfully hard for people to find a job. Anyone who goes into science expecting employers to clamor for their services will be deeply disappointed."

Those proposing Amnesty need to come up with some fresh reasons. Not wanting to go through with upholding current law and finding and deporting illegals is not a good enough reason.
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2014 8:49:11 PM

>>>Amnesty for illegals? Thank St. Ronald. <<<<

I conceder this one of Reagan’s biggest failures as president.

He though he was giving amnesty to a small group of people in exchange for better enforcement of the boarder and tighter enforcement in the country. At least he was up front and called it amnesty not reform.

This is what Reagan reportedly later said about his amnesty deal.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>According to Ronald Reagan himself, as told to his trusted long-time friend and U.S. Attorney General Edwin Meese, the biggest mistake of his presidency was signing the 1986 amnesty for what turned out to be more than half the five million illegal immigrants in the country. Reagan was uncomfortable with the amnesty but was persuaded by some of the leaders of his own party (still living) that it would only affect a small number of illegal immigrants and would assure that Congress would follow through with more vigorous enforcement of U.S. immigration laws. The misnamed Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA) of 1986 was touted by its supporters as “comprehensive immigration reform” that would grant amnesty only to a few long-settled immigrants and strengthen border security and internal immigration enforcement against employers who were hiring illegal immigrants.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Link

This article says a lot about how the last amnesty came about and there are lessons to be learned. Will we learn from history or repeat it.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2014 3:40:15 PM

Regan amnesty : law which was passed after 1984 speech:"The Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA), Pub.L. 99–603, 100 Stat. 3445, enacted November 6, 1986, also Simpson-Mazzoli Act, is an Act of Congress which reformed United States immigration law. It was an attempt to solve the immigration problem during 1986.
In brief, the act:
1. required employers to attest to their employees' immigration status;
2. made it illegal to knowingly hire or recruit unauthorized immigrants;
3. legalized certain seasonal agricultural illegal immigrants, and;
4. legalized illegal immigrants who entered the United States before
--January 1, 1982 and had resided there continuously with the penalty of ---- a fine, back taxes due, and admission of guilt;
5. candidates were required to prove that they were not guilty of crimes, that they were in the country before January 1, 1982, and that they possessed minimal knowledge about U.S. history, government, and the English language.
About three million undocumented immigrants were granted legal status through this act"wiki link
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Hiram 615
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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2014 3:11:54 PM

Amnesty for illegals? Thank St. Ronald.

"I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here even though sometime back they may have entered illegally."
-Ronald Reagan 10/28/1984
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2014 10:13:27 PM

I75at7AM - "Sotomayor was asked at a talk at Yale Law School later in the day about her use of the term “undocumented immigrants” rather than the traditional illegal alien. Sotomayor characterized the issue as a regulatory problem and said labeling immigrants criminals seemed insulting to her."

Well I’m sure that bank robbers would be much more comfortable being called “unauthorized customers”. Carjackers would much prefer the phrase “unauthorized vehicle operator.” I’m sure a rapist would prefer be called the partner of a non consenting sexual event. Murders would like to be charged with unauthorized life termination.

You can put pretty names every crime but it doesn’t change the act.

Perfect example we call liars politician.
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rjhenn
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I75at7AM - "Sotomayor was asked at a talk at Yale Law School later in the day about her use of the term “undocumented immigrants” rather than the traditional illegal alien. Sotomayor characterized the issue as a regulatory problem and said labeling immigrants criminals seemed insulting to her."

She should realize that nobody is "labeling [all] immigrants criminals". They're labeling specifically those immigrants who are here illegally as criminals.

It's sad that a Supreme Court justice doesn't seem to understand the concept of "illegal".
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2014 10:14:50 AM

"Path to citizenship" = amnesty.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2014 9:46:43 AM

This gem from the recently minted Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor:

Sotomayor: Labeling Illegal Immigrants Criminals Is Insulting

"Sotomayor was asked at a talk at Yale Law School later in the day about her use of the term “undocumented immigrants” rather than the traditional illegal alien. Sotomayor characterized the issue as a regulatory problem and said labeling immigrants criminals seemed insulting to her."

Another prime example of "how does this make you feel"......

Hey Sonia! We might expect that a lawyer would understand that if a person breaks the law to come here, and continues to break the law by staying here, they are indeed a criminal by definition!

I'd fire her if it were up to me.
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mnrick041
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Message Posted: Feb 1, 2014 5:48:53 AM

I am not in favor of giving them anything except a bus ride out of the country.
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Jan 31, 2014 11:31:18 PM

>>>Yeah, that's the part of everyone's plans that I don't understand. Why reward people for breaking the law?<<<<


Part of any law giving anyone a path to citizenship has to include no government money to noncitizens. If you are not a citizen you do not get SSI payments, WIC, free healthcare, or so much as a free meal. I will give them a free ticket the nearest boarder.

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Hemond
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Message Posted: Jan 31, 2014 10:42:16 PM

:::::They seem to do fine with getting on the Food Stamps and WIC programs though.:::


Plus legal aide, health care, housing, subsidized transit pass, subsidized college tuition, heating assistance, career counseling , job training, plus more.

THey even get airfare and moving expenses. My former tenant (of questionable citizenship) with 4 anchor babies broke her child custody agreement by secretly leaving her former home in N. Carolina. When the court tracked her down, she was ordered to appear in Family Court back there. Her air fare was picked up by local welfare.

Oh yeah, she lost the case and was ordered to return to NC or lose custody. Welfare picked up the cost of the moving van. If an American citizen did this, they 'd go to jail. Plus lose custody.

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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Jan 31, 2014 2:27:34 PM

johnnyg1200 - "Any reform needs to come with a way to deal with securing the border"

There is no practical way to secure our southern border.

"and any future illegal immigrants that does not include a free pass for violating the laws of this nation."

Yeah, that's the part of everyone's plans that I don't understand. Why reward people for breaking the law?
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2014 7:59:32 PM

Any reform needs to come with a way to deal with securing the border and any future illegal immigrants that does not include a free pass for violating the laws of this nation.

That one requirement alone would kill any immigration reform.
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2014 6:22:10 PM

Why do they need to be rewarded with citizenship after breaking the law? The furthest I would go is legal status with citizenship only if they do things the legal way and get at the back of the line.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2014 12:56:19 PM

Senator Jeff Sessions Warns House GOP: Immigration Bill Is Bad Politics, Bad Policy

"They (House Republicans) are reportedly drafting an immigration plan that is uncomfortably similar to a 'piecemeal' repackaging of the disastrous Senate plan—and even privately negotiating a final package with Democrat activists before consulting with their own members."

"It's bad politics, Sessions writes. "In the rush to pass an immigration bill, there has been a near absence of any serious thought about the conditions facing American workers. The last 40 years has been a period of record immigration to the U.S., with the last 10 years seeing more new arrivals than any prior 10- year period in history."

RNC’s Priebus: ‘General consensus’ that something big has to happen on immigration
"Republican National Committee chairman Reince Priebus said Wednesday that there’s a “general consensus” in his party that something big needs to happen on overhauling the country’s immigration laws and that more specifics would be unveiled this week at House Republicans’ annual retreat."

Note to Preibus: forging a "consensus" and moving ahead is not necessarily a desirable path for the Republican Party, if it means destroying what little is left of meaningful control of the borders and immigration.


[Edited by: I75at7AM at 1/30/2014 12:55:55 PM EST]
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rjhenn
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2014 8:50:05 PM

Duperza - "True Americans abide by all of these."

How many American citizens serve in the armed forces? How many volunteer and do community service?
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2013 11:26:28 AM

They are here illegally.

They need to voluntarily go back to their home country or be deported to their home country. If we have to deport them their home country should foot the bill for expenses.

They then need to get in line and immigrate to the US as per the law.

If they have kids born here - they can take the kids with them if they wish. If the kids are 18 and wish to stay here they can as they are citizens and adults able to make their own decisions.
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Its just that simple.
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Duperza
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2013 10:13:37 AM

1) Complete a full term in any of the Armed Forces gets expressed.
2) Pay a fine & any back taxes due to the US.
3) Fill out the correct paperwork.
4) Learn English passing the TOEFL test.
5) Get in line behind the people doing it LEGALLY.
6) Get a job.
7) Have a SPOTLESS record with no criminal activity.
8) Volunteer and do community service.

True Americans abide by all of these. Let's hold illegal immigrants to the same STANDARD.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Dec 21, 2013 10:08:23 AM

Jeb Bush thinks so.

"Former Florida Governor and amnesty advocate Jeb Bush alleged that America's economy needs an influx of foreign workers across all sectors and declared that 2014 would be a "blockbuster year that finally takes [immigration] reform" across the finish line."

I would like to take this opportunity to remind everyone to NEVER VOTE FOR THAT GUY no matter what office he is running for.

[Edited by: I75at7AM at 12/21/2013 10:08:36 AM EST]
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therder
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2013 7:59:32 PM

They "need to become citizens" so they can become democrat voters.
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2013 4:25:19 PM

So why do they "need to become citizens"? Can't they just have a long path to "legal immigrants" without citizenship?
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Dec 17, 2013 4:18:25 PM

Instead of Amnesty, Congress should pass SCRAMnesty. Shape up and get legal, or get out. And take your anchor babies with you, even if their like 16. They are citizens of the nation that their parents are citizens of, no matter where they were born or where they live. If that means some teen age kids get shipped down to Latino America along with their repatriated parents, that might be a good thing. They can take their American "values" and culture with them, and get those nations shaped up.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2013 10:58:27 AM

Popcorn: 6) Get a job.

Reb4: illegal immigrants distrustful of law enforcement and other government agencies? Go figure. They seem to do fine with getting on the Food Stamps and WIC programs though.
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2013 8:48:00 AM

Complete Amnesty...NO
A Path to Citizenship....YES!
1) Complete a full term in any of the Armed Forces gets expressed.
2) Pay a fine & any back taxes due to the US.
3) Fill out the correct paperwork.
4) Learn English
5) Get in line behind the people doing it LEGALLY.
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reb4
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Message Posted: Dec 3, 2013 8:35:54 AM

Today, [L=http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-10-29/news/text deleted will begin issuing driver's licenses to people in the country illegally[/L]

1. "officials estimating that as many as 500,000 people could eventually apply for the special permits."
*** Later in the article, they estimate 100,000 people a year will participate procviding up to 3 Million to pay for the program... ***
**** Though 1 Million startup is already been spent ****

2. "The launch of the program comes almost a year after Democratic Gov. Pat Quinn signed a law creating the specialized license, officially known as the temporary visitor driver's license. Unlike standard driver's licenses, they cannot be used as a form of identification for purposes such as boarding a plane, voting or buying a gun."*** This should be extremely confusing, Drivers License can not be used for an ID???? *****3. "Critics fear fraud and abuse, with some lawmakers saying immigrants living here illegally should be fingerprinted to qualify. Immigrant rights organizations fought back on that idea, arguing that it would deter participation among a population that often is distrustful of law enforcement and other government agencies."

*** let's see, we don't want to infringe on the rights of people that have already broken the law since they are here illegaly ****

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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2013 4:14:30 PM

Amnesty is dead, at least for the foreseeable future. The Bozocare fiasco killed it. What a shame...


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streetrider
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Message Posted: Nov 16, 2013 1:29:08 PM

It is going to be done both parties want it.
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Nov 14, 2013 9:36:28 AM

we could always annex Mexico then the illegal would become legal.
The only problem is we cant seem to agree on how to run this country.

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mnrick041
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 6:45:04 PM

Absolutely not. It is a tough decision but if they are here illegally they need to go.

The company I work for routinely brings in crews of temps to help with menial tasks during busy times. For awhile almost all the temps we got from the service we contract with were Mexicans. Although most of them spoke little or no English they were good workers and I even got to like a few of them over time. The temp service got audited and all the Mexicans were fired for false paperwork.

These are jobs that if you get hired on full time with us start out at $15 per hour with experience. These and other jobs should be going to Americans who are here legally, not illegal aliens.

They came here illegally, skipping around the process that millions of other legal immigrants went through. If they are here illegally the only thing they deserve is a ticket out of the country.
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streetrider
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 4:21:51 PM

Weather you and I want it or not it will be done.
the push is on
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TXryder
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 2:12:51 PM

Illegal Immigration is a Crime

Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:

- Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or
- Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
- Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;

has committed a federal crime.

Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.
Many of these illegals, like that anti-American we currently got in the White House, do not respect U.S. laws nor want to learn and abide by them.

Illegal immigration causes substantial harm to American citizens and legal immigrants, particularly those in the most vulnerable sectors of our population--the poor, minorities, and children.

Illegal immigration causes an enormous drain on public funds. The seminal study of the costs of immigration by the National Academy of Sciences found that the taxes paid by immigrants do not cover the cost of services received by them. We cannot provide high quality education, health care, and retirement security for our own people if we continue to bring in endless numbers of poor, unskilled immigrants.

Additionally, job competition by waves of illegal immigrants willing to work at substandard wages and working conditions depresses the wages of American workers, hitting hardest at minority workers and those without high school degrees.

Illegal immigration also contributes to the dramatic population growth overwhelming communities across America--crowding school classrooms, consuming already limited affordable housing, and straining precious natural resources like water, energy, and forestland.

What the U.S. needs is increased border security and Deportation reform. Law restructuring is needed to close the anchor baby loop holes that attract illegals that use their bodies to breed unwanted offspring just to plant themselves on U.S. soil.

[Edited by: TXryder at 11/13/2013 2:13:50 PM EST]
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 1:07:39 PM

The good news is that Obama is in so much trouble with the scandals and Obamacare that he can't even bring up the amnesty for ILLEGALS issue.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Nov 13, 2013 9:51:08 AM

News item:

Walmart CEO Contradicts Company's Support for Amnesty

"Walmart’s President and CEO Bill Simon wrote in an op-ed for Yahoo Finance that U.S. military veterans are having trouble finding work when they return home, and that his company would be happy to help them find jobs at Walmart.

“As more than one million service members prepare to transition out of the military over the next five years, their number one concern is jobs,” Simon wrote on Tuesday. “The unemployment rate for post-9/11 veterans alone is unacceptably high. The time to hire veterans is now.”"

Adding untold more millions (of illegal aliens) to the labor force is sheer lunacy.

"Despite Simon’s acknowledgment on the pages of Yahoo Finance that veterans need jobs, his corporate executives support the Senate immigration bill. Walmart’s spokeswoman Brooke Buchanan provided Breitbart News with aJune 27 statement from Ivan Zapien, Walmart’s vice president of Federal Government Relations, in which he praised the Gang of Eight bill as good for the economy, and called on the House to pass something similar."

Oops. Perhaps Mr. Simon should reign in his underlings and get them on the same page with him.

"In a Tuesday report, the Washington Free Beacon uncovered multiple studies showing that comprehensive immigration reform would hurt American workers, and it quoted Reps. Walter Jones (R-NC) and Lou Barletta (R-PA) as saying the same thing."

"... authorities like U.S. Civil Rights Commissioner Peter Kirsanow and Harvard economist George Borjas, to argue that “adding millions more to the labor force would harm working class Americans by taking away jobs and lowering wages.” "

"Even renowned economist Thomas Sowell has ripped (Congressman Paul) Ryan for his specious argument that a massive increase in imported labor would help the country. “That’s incredible,” Sowell said in response to Ryan's having appeared on The Laura Ingraham Show to make that argument last summer. “I mean—first of all to an economist, it is incredible to speak about shortages without talking about prices, in this case wages…"

Supposedly Paul Ryan (bio) studied economics as well as political science in his college days at Miami University. It's not showing too well these days.
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Sep 14, 2013 8:44:47 AM

How about a path into the country?TSA Agent Arrested for Smuggling Illegal Aliens
"Díaz-Torres and five others were charged in a 13-count indictment for bringing, transporting, harboring, and shielding illegal aliens within the United States.
According to a Justice Department press release, a group of Brazilian nationals were smuggled through the Luis Muñoz Marín International Airport in San Juan, Puerto Rico."

This puts a whole new meaning into "getting a Brazilian"
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2013 7:42:21 PM

When an illegal alien comes to America the first thing he/she has done is violate our borders and break federal law. Giving them anything other than a trip back across the border is a slap in the face to every person who has done it legally and a disincentive to those who are trying to do it legally.

If their first act in my nation is to break the laws of the land why should I begin to think they will obey any other laws?

If you haven’t guessed I say resoundingly and loudly NO!~!!!!!
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IammeCA
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2013 5:23:07 PM

The thing is they are far less likely to complain about poor working conditions even after they become legal. That's why some pretty powerful people are in favor of it.

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Champion Author Des Moines

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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2013 5:07:18 PM

And it didn't solve anything.
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2013 3:28:28 PM

come now speedy I did not speak amnesty, but it would not surprise me, Old Ronny boy did it.
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2013 1:18:02 PM

path to citizenship = amnesty

In other words, putting ILLEGALS at the front of the line ahead of those that are trying to come to this country legally.
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Message Posted: Sep 13, 2013 8:11:22 AM

eventually we will. the path is there , the big question is will it be shortened?
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