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Edger Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:40,199 Points:2,469,160 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 2:43:37 PM Ignore Edger Report Abuse The Department of Homeland Security is seeking to acquire 7,000 5.56x45mm NATO “personal defense weapons” (PDW) — also known as “assault weapons” when owned by civilians. These are semiauto switchable to full automatic firearms "suitable for personal defense use in close quarters." 30 round magazines are requested with the purchase. I guess the DHS is expecting to go on defense somewhere.

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The Department of Homeland Security is seeking to acquire 7,000 5.56x45mm NATO “personal defense weapons” (PDW) — also known as “assault weapons” when owned by civilians.

These are semiauto switchable to full automatic firearms "suitable for personal defense use in close quarters." 30 round magazines are requested with the purchase. I guess the DHS is expecting to go on defense somewhere.

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jdhelm Champion Author Iowa Posts:11,813 Points:1,195,965 Joined:Dec 2009	Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 3:33:53 PM Ignore jdhelm Report Abuse edger, that is a ver interesting read, and yes, I do remember that campaign promise he made.
Edger Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:40,199 Points:2,469,160 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 2:28:30 PM Ignore Edger Report Abuse Do you remember this qoute? "We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a Civilian National Security Force thats just as powerful, just as strong, just as funded." Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama 2008 An interesting read.
PopcornPirate Champion Author New Jersey Posts:3,904 Points:1,169,700 Joined:Nov 2006	Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 9:01:38 AM Ignore PopcornPirate Report Abuse ""Civilian gun owners DO NOT have to go towards shooters- we can and should run the other way if possible."" RIGHT???? Your choice? Hide & wait to be shot & killed or Return Fire & have a fighting chance to live....... You chose ?
AC-302 Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:26,559 Points:2,899,170 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 8:43:46 AM Ignore AC-302 Report Abuse Understand that your United States Coast Guard is also an armed, uniformed service of the US, and is organized under DHS. And the CG, among it's many other duties, also has to prevent smuggling and does port security (both here and abroad). So, they have a need for "real" military weapons. Are these going to the Coast Guard, or to some other deputized LE branch under DHS? If it were the TSA, Lord help us! They probably couldn't figure out how to move them through the metal detectors without setting them off and frisking and arresting themselves.
oilpan4 Champion Author Virginia Posts:12,036 Points:306,500 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 1:48:55 AM Ignore oilpan4 Report Abuse "Oilpan apparently you missed Newtown. The local PD officers ran into the school at full speed. Civilians can run away. A COPS job has them running towards the bad guys". Well there is a first time for everything. If there are more shootings in schools maybe the cops every where will respond like that.
EZExit Champion Author Phoenix Posts:10,382 Points:1,705,705 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 1:09:25 AM Ignore EZExit Report Abuse Apparently, there are DHS agents that can snap and shoot good guys. One case of DHS employee trusted with a gun Don't you feel that it is hypocritical to take one class of humans (government employees) and trust them to be 100% responsible with a firearm, but take another class of humans (American citizens), and take away their right to be a lawful responsible gun owner? Liberals, people that see the government as the answer and savior to all of societal ills, as the only entity that is never wrong, that always will be there 24/7 to protect us from harm, and that private sector citizens are lacking of any intelligence. People that believe that we should live in a monarchy. People that have forgotten the blood and sacrifice that bought our freedom. People that want to discard the constitution.
worryfree Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:23,832 Points:1,865,875 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 12:25:42 AM Ignore worryfree Report Abuse Oilpan apparently you missed Newtown. The local PD officers ran into the school at full speed. Civilians can run away. A COPS job has them running towards the bad guys. They need the best arms. We civilians don't (and I say that as an AR15 owner...) The TSA workers are an unarmed division of DHS. Most of the DHS agents face seriously armed bad guys.
flyboyUT Champion Author Utah Posts:22,797 Points:1,008,710 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 11:44:43 PM Ignore flyboyUT Report Abuse AC that is the point - why does DHS need full auto machine guns for 'personal defense' when people are saying that ordinary people dont need guns for pwesonal defense at all much less a semiauto or heaven forbid a machine gun.... Seems to be a huge double standard here and the irony is loud.
AC-302 Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:26,559 Points:2,899,170 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 10:14:56 PM Ignore AC-302 Report Abuse What DHS is talking about here are true "assault rifles". They are full auto, switchable to semi-auto (aka "select fire"). Yeah, so what's the point? These types of weapons are not available to the general public at large. Semi-auto versions of them have been available, but they're largely different guns, though they make look alike and scare some anti-gun fool liberals into soiling their pants.
oilpan4 Champion Author Virginia Posts:12,036 Points:306,500 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 7:26:18 PM Ignore oilpan4 Report Abuse "we can and should run the other way if possible". Agreed, But these cold calculating mass murders try to trap the largest number of people in as small a room as possible with no other exits if they can. When they start shooting there may be no where to run. "DHS and other law enforcement types run towards the shooters". But they don't. Time and time again they have shown us how police procedure works. The first responders call/wait for backup, with backup they set up a parameter and wait for swat to show up. If the shooting stops for a while, they might go in with out swat.
Cliffisher Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:25,992 Points:3,133,725 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 5:42:18 PM Ignore Cliffisher Report Abuse A few of my buds out for a day of fun, southwest of Madison. Dave rebuilt and made most of his Krink parts. [Edited by: Cliffisher at 1/29/2013 5:43:58 PM EST]
worryfree Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:23,832 Points:1,865,875 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 4:59:33 PM Ignore worryfree Report Abuse So you cons want the people charged with keeping us safe underarmed and outgunned by the bad buys? Civilian gun owners DO NOT have to go towards shooters- we can and should run the other way if possible. DHS and other law enforcement types run towards the shooters. Big difference.
Edger Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:40,199 Points:2,469,160 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 3:46:02 PM Ignore Edger Report Abuse Obama doesn't want your skeet gun. He'd miss his if he had to give it up. Shoots all the time.
sissurf Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:19,862 Points:1,673,175 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 2:29:24 PM Ignore sissurf Report Abuse That made me chuckle jdhelm.
jdhelm Champion Author Iowa Posts:11,813 Points:1,195,965 Joined:Dec 2009	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:14:04 AM Ignore jdhelm Report Abuse Ruger is coming out with a new pistol in honor of Obama. It will be called the "Union Worker." It doesn't work and you can't fire it.
Panama19 Champion Author Louisville Posts:25,260 Points:2,541,360 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 11:59:15 PM Ignore Panama19 Report Abuse flyboyUT, "Does anyone wonder why they need a machinegun for 'personal defense'?" To mow down Americans that won't take off their shoes at the scanner?
EZExit Champion Author Phoenix Posts:10,382 Points:1,705,705 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 10:59:28 PM Ignore EZExit Report Abuse They are buying guns that have the sole purpose of mowing people down. At least this is what the liberals claim. What happens when the people that hold them become unstable? Or they have these guns stolen or lost? Why is the government still spending money they don't have for more guns? Another reason they'll never get mine...
BlackGumTree Champion Author Virginia Posts:18,439 Points:1,459,665 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 10:45:04 PM Ignore BlackGumTree Report Abuse If I am to be restricted to a rifle which can only fire one round at a time, then let me have one of those old 56 caliber Spencer rifles which can fire a 50 caliber round by using a sabot to drop a buffalo at one mile. It would be easy to keep those with faster firing arms that wanted to stay alive at a distance (those bullet proof vests would not protect against these rounds).
oilpan4 Champion Author Virginia Posts:12,036 Points:306,500 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 9:47:18 PM Ignore oilpan4 Report Abuse Since I have used burst fire M16A2 like this I think the burst fire is useless at distances greater than around 30 yards. Only good for very close quarters. Other wise it just burns up ammo like you wouldn't believe. Im not saying I wish I couldn't buy one. (I dont have $25,000 to spend on one gun) Now what happened to all the gun banner liberal types that were trying to tell us we don't need an assault rifle with a big mag for personal defence?
flyboyUT Champion Author Utah Posts:22,797 Points:1,008,710 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 9:08:04 PM Ignore flyboyUT Report Abuse Does anyone wonder why they need a machinegun for 'personal defense'? If its that good for personal defense shouldnt it be acceptable for everyone to have for personal defense?
BlackGumTree Champion Author Virginia Posts:18,439 Points:1,459,665 Joined:Dec 2005	Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 5:23:53 PM Ignore BlackGumTree Report Abuse It sounds like just the kind of weapon our forefathers had in mind when they wrote the 2nd Amendment to emphasis the fact that we all have the right to keep and bear arms.
Edger Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:40,199 Points:2,469,160 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 4:24:20 PM Ignore Edger Report Abuse I think of the DHS employees patting down passengers at airports, saving and sharing scanner pictures, the ones caught stealing from passengers and the occasional DHS drug runners and think we can trust these people well armed and in public. Sure we can!
michaelphoenix2 All-Star Author Tucson Posts:670 Points:9,220 Joined:Nov 2012	Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 3:37:20 PM Ignore michaelphoenix2 Report Abuse So a government agency that specializes in terrorism and threats to the nation is buying guns. WHAT A SHOCK!
I75at7AM Champion Author Dayton Posts:66,477 Points:2,430,420 Joined:Feb 2006	Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 3:21:37 PM Ignore I75at7AM Report Abuse If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns........
michaelphoenix2 All-Star Author Tucson Posts:670 Points:9,220 Joined:Nov 2012	Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 2:47:39 PM Ignore michaelphoenix2 Report Abuse So?