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btc1

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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 9:16:43 AM

That is the way it has been since the birth of this nation.

But, now it seems the minority of the voting public get to have the loudest mouths. It used to be when the majority won, everyone in the minority would try to allow the wounds to heal. Now it does not.

What happened, just because President Obama was elected and then turned around and did a good enough job to win a second term? The minority refuses to try to heal those wounds. Is there any reason we in the majority should not think the things we think about them?
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btc1
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Message Posted: Jan 30, 2013 6:39:12 AM

BGT, to me judgements of the majority of voters and most legal experts override your opinion in my view.
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BlackGumTree
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 5:49:08 PM

sgm4law - "Do I have to keep reminding you that this is the 21st century? Women are actually legally whole people now. And blacks and women can vote. And even illegitimate children are no longer considered "filius nullius" merely because they lack a father (since a mother didn't count for squat back then."

I am not against blacks and women voting nor against them being considered whole people. I was addressing the meaning of "Natural Born Citizen". Nothing has changed the meaning of that since it was incorporated in our Constitution.

The requirement was intended to make sure our President was thoroughly American, that both his parents were patriots, and that the child was raised as an American patriot and acts like an American patriot. Obama does not fit the definition of "Natural Born Citizen" not would a lot of people consider him a patriot.

In not refuting that Obama is not a "Natural Born Citizen" you have backed up what I have said even if that was not your intention. Thanks.
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 5:33:10 PM

so you think forcing obama care down the throat of the country without reading it was ok? That is really sad.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 3:05:50 PM

"Especially when there are no pictures."


Um, there were a few pictures...but they showed long abandoned weapon sites....

LOL
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 3:01:39 PM

"Well, it's no wonder righties still think there were WMDs in Iraq. That report is over 1,200 pages long! And we all know that righties take issue with a document that long (re: PPACA)."

Especially when there are no pictures.
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 2:53:45 PM

nose, "just because they weren't found doesn't mean they weren't there", before the invasion yes. Saddam had lots of time to destroy his wmd. But he could not disclose it because he would have been vulnerable to attack by Iran. Bush probably did not consider that before he went to war. Thinking ahead was not Bush virtue, he thought Iraq was going to be a cake walk. In hindsight it is obvious faulty and cherry picked intel was used to make a case for war. Bush and friends got a free pass for their monumental failures. Just because dems went along does not justify the blunder. Wmd "hidden", so where are the satellite pics Bush loved to use for going to war? You like most cons are quick to forgive Bush for the 4,287 Iraq war deaths while crying about 4 dead in Libya.

Norm, don't confuse cons with reports.

Pan, "Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah". 4 more years and not one day less and that is not an "urban legend".
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regulate_now
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 10:05:28 AM

Obama is the worst "leader" we have ever seen... He relishes his victories and shows no taste or tac... He shows arrogance and works against fostering any idea of working together or for healing "wounds." Instead of leading, he is divisive and picks fights... The split nation is evidenced in the polls as well as in congress yet he either is blind to this or chooses to do nothing- whatever the case, this again shows his lack of ability...
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 9:58:26 AM

Blackgumtree said, "In the days of our forefathers, the citizenship of a child followed that of the father; no way they would consider him natural born."

Do I have to keep reminding you that this is the 21st century? Women are actually legally whole people now. And blacks and women can vote. And even illegitimate children are no longer considered "filius nullius" merely because they lack a father (since a mother didn't count for squat back then).

Thanks for keeping these things in mind in the future, even if you don't like them, and welcome to the present.
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NickHammer
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 9:51:25 AM

>>"The Iraq Survey Group report, released Wednesday, is 1,200 to 1,500 pages long."<<

Well, it's no wonder righties still think there were WMDs in Iraq. That report is over 1,200 pages long! And we all know that righties take issue with a document that long (re: PPACA). Duelfer probably should have pared it down to about 3 or 4 pages, something they're more comfortable with, instead of filling up all those pages with a bunch of boring facts.
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Panama19
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 9:24:00 AM


gocatgo, "Pan, 'breaking away when he was elected first time' with less votes than Gore by a decision from the Supreme Court"

That is an urban legend popular on the left, but a complete recount performed after the fact still showed Bush to be the winner.

A response on Bush v Gore

"Had SCOTUS deferred to SCOFLA, Bush would have won, according to the consortium’s recount. As the NY Times put it: [I]f Florida’s 67 counties had carried out the hand recount of disputed ballots ordered by the Florida court on Dec. 8, applying the standards that election officials said they would have used, Mr. Bush would have emerged the victor by 493 votes.

Alternatively, if SCOTUS had granted the Gore campaign exactly what they wanted — a recount only in four Gore-heavy counties — Bush still would have won. Again, the Times: Even under the strategy that Mr. Gore pursued at the beginning of the Florida standoff — filing suit to force hand recounts in four predominantly Democratic counties — Mr. Bush would have kept his lead, according to the ballot review conducted for a consortium of news organizations.

The study found that, even if the recount had been allowed to proceed, and the ballots had been recounted just as election officials in each county say they planned, Bush still could have won by a 493-vote margin"

It was indeed a close election, but Bush would have won it in any case; the SCOTUS did not overturn the will of the people.

But that did not keep the Dems from calling Bush's election illegitimate for his entire time in office, and even now according to your post.

To maintain that the country fell into line behind Bush is a fantasy of the left that is now smarting because the right doesn't fall into line behind Obama, and many on the right do not consider him legitimate because of his still hidden background.

The left started this level of hatred and now is objecting when their own precedent is blowing back into their faces – even though Obama is not seeing nearly the vitriol the left dished out to Bush.

Sorry 'bout that. What goes around comes around.

Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch.


[Edited by: Panama19 at 1/29/2013 9:28:46 AM EST]
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btc1
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Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 6:49:52 AM

Bluster and fuss, that was Bush's MO. Then when he got what he wanted, Oh! Well! Sorry about that.... Still for the majority of the first term America was united behind our President and military.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 6:01:53 PM

"Oh, and the wmd thing, just because they weren't found, doesn't mean they weren't there. Who's to say they aren't buried out in the desert, or hiden in syria, or some other iraq friendly country?"

Bush's OWN EXPERT says that's not so:

"WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Saddam Hussein did not possess stockpiles of illicit weapons at the time of the U.S. invasion in March 2003 and had not begun any program to produce them, a CIA report concludes.

In fact, the long-awaited report, authored by Charles Duelfer, who advises the director of central intelligence on Iraqi weapons, says Iraq's WMD program was essentially destroyed in 1991 and Saddam ended Iraq's nuclear program after the 1991 Gulf War.

The Iraq Survey Group report, released Wednesday, is 1,200 to 1,500 pages long."


But the right ALWAYS dismisses the facts when they don't support their talking points....
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YDraigGoch
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 5:21:17 PM

The minority rules;

41% can stop a bill in Congress by simply THREATENNING to stage a fillibuster.

That is not how a Republic works. That is not even how a Democracy works.

That is the way AlQaeda works. Intimidation instead of legislation.
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 4:40:34 PM

obama did a great job once again, of buying votes with freebies, and fooling the gullable into voting for him again.

And as far as things improving some, is it because of obama, or in spite of him?

Why do liberals chose to ignore the fact that most of their heroes voted to go to iraq, and nearly all thought there were wmds there. One would think, that if they had ant doubts at all, they would have voted no.

Oh, and the wmd thing, just because they weren't found, doesn't mean they weren't there. Who's to say they aren't buried out in the desert, or hiden in syria, or some other iraq friendly country?

[Edited by: noseatbelt at 1/28/2013 4:46:48 PM EST]
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 12:44:26 PM

The political call for unity lasted long enough for Bush to get 2 free passes. Once when he was not held accountable for stopping the 911 attack with available Cia evidence. The second free pass was given when wmd were not found after the Iraq invasion. That unity thing worked quite well for the blundering Bush.

Gato, both parties are far from perfect. This is all the more reason for compromise. Good luck convincing the extremists of that.

Pan, "breaking away when he was elected first time" with less votes than Gore by a decision from the Supreme Court. That did seem to be a problem. Nowadays Bush ain't to popular in his own party.

Black, "Constitutional requirement", let me know how that goes in court. Is there a new conspiracy theory to back up your nonsense? "Everybody is not expected to march in lock step", that is great advice you should take for yourself.

Maho, "the left had the same Cia reports" that turned out to be W-R-O-N-G. Do you understand Wrong and has it sunk in yet? Thanks to those Cia reports America has delivered Iran a new friend paid for in blood and taxes by America.

Guitar, "after 911", how about a little trip down memory lane. Bush also attacked Iraq and put bin laden on the back burner. It took a community organizer leading from behind to do the job Bush miserably failed at after 911.

Ac-, and you think Bush "did a good enough job"? Good luck with that one. As soon as it was obvious the wmd were not found in Iraq after the invasion Bush should have been kicked to the curb. But no, Bush needed another term to ruin the economy and fail to get bin laden.

175, "Bill Clinton did not win with a majority of votes", try telling that to the people of the Electoral College. Clinton won a clear majority and did not need any help from the Supreme Court.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 11:34:19 AM

"--IMHO, the steps we took to invading Iraq were logical. Are you then also going to criticize then Sen. Clinton for also voting for it? And what of that legion of Democrats that joined that legion of Republicans?"

I was against the war from the beginning and most on here know that. And since the question of WMDs was not affirmatively answered before, and Bush's OWN WMD expert stated that there were no WMDs in Iraq, then it was not a logically reached conclusion at all.






"Hmmm??? Oh, and didn't Obama say we were going to get out within about 1 year of his election? So where is it?"

Um, Obama was bound by the agreement reached with Iraq by Bush before Bush left office...or did you forget that????
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 11:20:56 AM

Worryfree said: "BTW it's only "majority rules" when the majority wants to take away rights of minorities such as gay marriage and voter suppression."

--Oh, or like the Dems trying to take away your and my right to be able to own an AR-15? Or for that matter, even a handgun? It cuts both ways, my friend.RNorm said: "You mean like the legions of republicans who applauded the foolhearty decision to invade Iraq, but yet want to blame Obama for the $TRILLION (and counting) that said invasion has (and continues) to cost this country? Yet the same people moan and whine about giving air support and missiles to a NATO led toppling of Libya?"

--IMHO, the steps we took to invading Iraq were logical. Are you then also going to criticize then Sen. Clinton for also voting for it? And what of that legion of Democrats that joined that legion of Republicans? Hmmm??? Oh, and didn't Obama say we were going to get out within about 1 year of his election? So where is it?

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worryfree
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 11:08:51 PM

"Unfortunately the majority today seem to be made up of nincompoops, freeloaders, welfare, gay and a myriad of other social misfits with their hand out wanting a free lunch."

Please don't be so harsh with our Republicans-they can't help themselves.

BTW it's only "majority rules" when the majority wants to take away rights of minorities such as gay marriage and voter suppression.



[Edited by: worryfree at 1/27/2013 11:10:24 PM EST]
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I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 10:44:15 PM

In this nation it is not "Majority Rules". We have elections, yes, and the winner could win with a plurality of the votes, short of a majority. Ask Bill Clinton, both his elections wins did not come with a majority of the votes.
Then, all laws, decisions, and actions are supposed to follow the "Rule of Law". All public office holders take oaths to uphold the laws of the nation. You can't take a quick poll and shout "Majority Rules, we will do this action". Many elected officials would like to be able to rule that way, and sometimes they get away with it. But is is not legitimate.
If a mob gathers on a street corner and wants to lynch a person suspected of having just committed a crime, we know that mob would be in the wrong. If a crowd occupies a public park and demands an end to the Capitalist system, do they get their way?

No.

It is not "majority rules" for most of the governing of this nation. A lesson Obama and his minions should go back to college and law school and learn for once.

[Edited by: I75at7AM at 1/27/2013 10:44:55 PM EST]
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 8:29:25 PM

"No matter what Obama does, there is a cadre of Dems that will applaud it, rather than thinking through the logical conclusions of the path he's taken, and cannot fathom the damage that is being done to our economy, our liberties, and to our country."


You mean like the legions of republicans who applauded the foolhearty decision to invade Iraq, but yet want to blame Obama for the $TRILLION (and counting) that said invasion has (and continues) to cost this country? Yet the same people moan and whine about giving air support and missiles to a NATO led toppling of Libya?

C'mon man.
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btc1
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 7:43:40 PM

Guitar Man, ""We Democrats got behind Bush after 911 and you know that."

And if ANYONE believes that crap I have some ocean-front property in Arizona I want to sell you!

(What happened after 911 WAS that over 90% of Americans supported George W."

Thanks for proving my point with your statement of contradiction. Even when you agree you find a limited way to disagree!

And, ergo, the topic OP is true.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 7:43:29 PM

btc1 crabbed: "What happened, just because President Obama was elected and then turned around and did a good enough job to win a second term?"

--No, I don't believe he did do a good enough job. In fact, in his own words, Obama said that if he couldn't turn the economy around in 3.5 years, he didn't deserve a second term. I agree with Obama himself - he didn't deserve a second term. However, there are a bunch of partisan "hacks" that have their noses so far up Obama's bum, that he better not stop too suddenly. No matter what Obama does, there is a cadre of Dems that will applaud it, rather than thinking through the logical conclusions of the path he's taken, and cannot fathom the damage that is being done to our economy, our liberties, and to our country.

Obama "sure as Shineola" did NOT do a very good job. Majority rule or not, what are you suggesting, btc1? Are you suggesting that the large minority (about 48 - 50% of Americans, last I checked) do not believe in Obama's wacky liberal agenda and are against it. Are you suggesting that the other half of Americans who DISSENT from Obama need to simply "take it" and "like it"? Here now, I thought DISSENT was PATRIOTIC? Or is it not so now that the Chief Executive is a Dem, not a Rep? To complain about the vocal ~1/2 of the country opposing Obama's stupidly liberal polices is hypocritical on your part, my friend.
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Guitar_Man
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 7:36:04 PM

"We Democrats got behind Bush after 911 and you know that."

And if ANYONE believes that crap I have some ocean-front property in Arizona I want to sell you!

(What happened after 911 WAS that over 90% of Americans supported George W. BUT that didn't include screeching Hillary, sore-loser Al Gore, Cindy Sheehan, and pass-me-that-chicken-leg Michael Moore, just to name a few.)

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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 6:58:41 PM

"It is because Obama ordered it. If it had been a gop POTUS, the right would be high fiving each other about the great job the gop POTUS did in taking out the terrorist. "


Bingo and Boom my friend, Bingo and Boom!
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RAB2010
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 6:56:43 PM


Heir Obama was not re-elected because of his job performance or strength of character.
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 6:39:08 PM

"Protecting avowed terrorists who fled this country to avoid prosecution and was killed on foreign soil in the GWOT??? When people defend terrorists who have repeatedly stated their intention to harm Americans, its a sad day indeed."

It is because Obama ordered it. If it had been a gop POTUS, the right would be high fiving each other about the great job the gop POTUS did in taking out the terrorist.

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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 6:32:42 PM

"The left had privy to the same CIA reports as did Bush."

Actually, there was much information in the PDBs that Bush DID NOT share with congress.





"Compare that to Obama's unilateral decision to wage war against Libya."

I don't see how you can compare hundreds of thousands of American Soldiers on Iraqi soil and after over a $TRILLION (and counting) in american treasure and over 4,500+ lives spent in that land as the decision to join with allies in a NATO led attack against Libya.




"Or his decision to execute an American without due process."

Protecting avowed terrorists who fled this country to avoid prosecution and was killed on foreign soil in the GWOT??? When people defend terrorists who have repeatedly stated their intention to harm Americans, its a sad day indeed.







"Drone attacks against our allie, Pakistan."

You mean the ally who was complicit in harboring Bin Laden and the same "ally" who prosecuted citizens who helped in the raid of Bin Laden and the same "ally" that took Billions of US Dollars intended for military aid and lined the pockets of a select few? The same ally that was instrumental in North Korea acquiring the technology to build a nuke?

Its a sad day when out of hatred of Obama, people will ignore the facts and call Pakistan an "ally". Pakistan has been part of the problem by helping Al Queda for some time now.

SMH
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Panama19
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 6:28:58 PM


El_Gato_Negro, "Not true Panama19. I had no great problem with Bush as a president when he was first elected"

The left in general did. The fight over the Bush/Gore election went all the way to the SCOTUS and the election was not settled until December 12, 2000.

Bush v. Gore: 2000 election vote in Florida resolved by the Supreme Court

The left never accepted the legitimacy of the election and their vitriol only grew for the full eight years that he was in office and even extended through the first Obama term when they blamed the world's problems on Bush.

You appear to be suffering from selective memory; it might be good for you to reflect on the old saying:

"The axe forgets, but the wood remembers".

The right will not soon forget the behavior of the left in these matters.

Fortunately for the left, the right has not been as uncivilized toward Obama as the left was toward Bush.

The right has SOME standards, the left does not.


[Edited by: Panama19 at 1/27/2013 6:32:42 PM EST]
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btc1
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 5:29:35 PM

I have not said the minority needs to be silent. That is not my intent here. What I am saying is the minority will not do anything to unify our efforts to get America back further to full recovery.

We are obviously improving our economy from what it was and not because of any result of the right's working together to get it done. It had to come all from this administration and the Democrats in Congress pushing and dragging the rest of America to do it.
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NickHammer
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 4:04:25 PM

So, the birther starts off with...

>>First, I don’t believe that Obama meets the Constitutional requirement to be president because he is not a natural born citizen.<<

then has the audacity to write...
>>You should hang your head in shame.<<

along with...
>>And the BS from the left goes on and on. Get a life guys.<<

Does the birther NOT see the irony in his statements? (no, of course he doesn't)
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 2:08:42 PM

RNorm, >>Actually, people began breaking away from Bush when he insisted on invading Iraq; even AFTER not being able to provide sufficient proof or rationale for doing so. <<
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Although I'm not a fan of either Bush, 'W' did ask for (and received) bipartisan approval from Congress to invade Iraq. The left had privy to the same CIA reports as did Bush. Compare that to Obama's unilateral decision to wage war against Libya. Or his decision to execute an American without due process. Drone attacks against our allie, Pakistan. All of which is unconstitutional but then Obama did say he taught Constitutional Law so as long as he does it, it's ok...........
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BlackGumTree
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 2:01:46 PM

btc1 – “What happened, just because President Obama was elected and then turned around and did a good enough job to win a second term?”

First, I don’t believe that Obama meets the Constitutional requirement to be president because he is not a natural born citizen. I grant that he is a citizen, that as a lawyer and Constitutional lecturer that he has not excuse for being unaware that he does not meet the qualifications and that therefore he is a traitor to the United States. In the days of our forefathers, the citizenship of a child followed that of the father; no way they would consider him natural born. A natural born citizen is specified as being the child of parents who are citizens (note that “parents” is plural). So I will not be surprised when he is held responsible for his unconstitutionally being in the White House.

As far as those not uniting behind Obama, he lacks leadership skills, and what he has done has resulted in dividing the country, not in uniting it; Bush worked to unite the country. That is a huge difference between the two. And I have not come across that many people today who like what Obama has done. That makes me wonder how he got enough votes to claim he won re-election.

RNorm – “How quickly the right forgets the Unity that the Country AND the Congress displayed when Bush was president...”

You should hang your head in shame. Your link shows the country uniting because of 9/11, not because of Bush. But I will agree that the country did unite behind Bush. Bush worked at uniting the country while Obama has been divisive.

And the BS from the left goes on and on. Get a life guys. Everybody is not expected to march in lockstep to the dictator’s commands. The government doesn’t know what is best for us because the government is composed of people just like us and we all have different opinions of how things should be done. We each know what is best for ourselves even when that is not best for other people. One solution does not help everybody. We must all respect the right of others to be different. Get a life! Be a real American!
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El_Gato_Negro
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 1:07:47 PM

Not true Panama19. I had no great problem with Bush as a president when he was first elected. Or when he attacked el Queda after 9/11. That was the right thing to do.

But he did not have a good justification to invade Iraq and he put the country at another war when we should have been fighting only the one.
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Panama19
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 12:53:17 PM


RNorm, "Actually, people began breaking away from Bush when he insisted on invading Iraq"

Actually the left started breaking away from Bush when he was elected the first time.

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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 12:22:11 PM

"That Republican call for unity didn't last long with the liberal partisans however."


Actually, people began breaking away from Bush when he insisted on invading Iraq; even AFTER not being able to provide sufficient proof or rationale for doing so.

There were no WMDs there; no mushroom clouds from Iraq on the Horizon and it was the intent to deceive the American Public that turned the national unity shared after 9-11 into the deeply divided country we have been ever since.
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El_Gato_Negro
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 12:21:34 PM

As much as I agree with you on many other things btc1, I think that the minority should always have a voice, regardless of whether you agree with them or not. Do not forget that in another turn of the wheel, you will be in the minority again and thus it ever turns.

Unlike so many of the GOP supporters here, I do not think that Democrats are always wrong. But I do not think that the GOP is always right either. Both sides have their pet issues that they cling to right or wrong and both sides make mistakes. And it is not lopsided like the GOP people here would have us think either. They are no better at getting it right despite what they think, but neither are we getting it wrong all the time as they would also have us think.
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Panama19
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 12:20:50 PM


gocatgo, "'What goes around comes around', so deal with it and stop the whining"

Thank you for restating my point below (Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 10:43:59 AM)

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Panama19
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 12:17:02 PM


RNorm, "How quickly the right forgets the Unity that the Country AND the Congress displayed when Bush was president..."

That Republican call for unity didn't last long with the liberal partisans however. The liberals' immediate reaction was to ridicule Bush, and they only moderated that when the public rose up against them.

"In the changed political climate after 9/11, few have dared raise challenging questions about Bush's actions. A journalist who said Bush was 'flying around the country like a scared child, seeking refuge in his mother's bed after having a nightmare' and another who said Bush 'skedaddled" were fired'."

But the new "civility" enforced on the left by an offended public did not last long.

Unfortunately.

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daylily2009
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 12:10:39 PM

obams did not win because of obama BUT because he was santa claus
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 12:07:13 PM

Losing an election is no reason for the minority to be silent. That said the Gop should not expect Obama to adapt a conservative agenda either.

Kans, ah yes still crying about the 47% while chasing away perspective new blood in a dying party.

Pan, "do you think we are stupid"? Answering that question honestly would amount to a personal attack and you like most in the Gop are not interested in honesty. "What goes around comes around", so deal with it and stop the whining.

101, so many many questions. There were no questions about wmd not found after the Iraq invasion or accountability of the Bush administration for it's many failures. The unfunded Bush Drug Plan hardly got a whimper, financed on the China visa card. There was little concern why Bush did not kill or capture bin laden either.

Some people's kids?
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btc1
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 11:46:13 AM

The right only wants unity when their side is in power.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 11:41:14 AM

How quickly the right forgets the Unity that the Country AND the Congress displayed when Bush was president...
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 11:22:59 AM

>>just because President Obama was elected and then turned around and did a good enough job to win a second term?<<

Obama just gave away enough money to make the "takers" happy. So the country's voters split the vote 52/48. We are divided. When is Obama going to come up with a budget? When is Obama going to lower the number of people that are not working in this country? When is Obama going to do something about the out of control government spending in this country? A "good enough job" means borrowing an ever-increasing amount of money from China and other foreign countries?
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 10:43:59 AM


btc1, "Not true, Panama. We Democrats got behind Bush after 911 and you know that. We were a united country"

We all noticed that.

And that.

Do you actually believe what you said? Do you think we are stupid or cannot remember anything before the echo of your voice dies down?

If so, you must live in some alternate universe.

"What is happening with President Obama is completely different and you know that too"

True, what Obama is experiencing is much milder than what Bush had to put up with for eight solid years.

Again, do you find your own medicine bitter? What you see now is nothing like what your side dished out, so put on your big boy pants and get used to it.

What goes around comes around.


[Edited by: Panama19 at 1/27/2013 10:49:44 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 10:31:32 AM

Unfortunately the majority today seem to be made up of nincompoops, freeloaders, welfare, gay and a myriad of other social misfits with their hand out wanting a free lunch.

I still recall back in the day the most popular kids in school were the jocks, loudmouths, flunkies and showoffs whereas the smart kids there to learn were relegated to the background and viewed as nerds...hasn't changed much over time.

[Edited by: KansasGunman at 1/27/2013 10:37:05 AM EST]
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btc1
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 10:03:17 AM

Not true, Panama. We Democrats got behind Bush after 911 and you know that. We were a united country. What happened after Iraq, was a fair protest of a warring nation.

What is happening with President Obama is completely different and you know that too. Nothing he has done has pleased the other side and they refuse to get behind anything he has done.
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Panama19
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Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 9:56:08 AM


"What happened, just because President Obama was elected and then turned around and did a good enough job to win a second term?"

I believe precedent was set during the Bush years.

Do you find your own medicine bitter?

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