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MahopacJack Champion Author New York Posts:8,020 Points:1,586,525 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Jan 23, 2013 10:09:20 AM Ignore MahopacJack Report Abuse A student who is President of a gun rights group at Lone Star College was interviewed by the Huffington Post. From the link, "Sanders said he was concerned about the influence of the Democratic Socialists of America, a political group that endorsed Barack Obama in his failed attempt to win a congressional seat in 2000. Sanders said he also feared the federal government may turn the Federal Emergency Management Agency and other agencies into paramilitary forces aimed at cracking down on the rights of citizens. "If you do a little bit of reading about which way this country is going, yeah, we need to hold onto our firearms," Sanders said. Asked where he got his information, he said that he trusts statistics put out by the FBI. A recent post on the Breitbart blog pointed to FBI data that suggests more people are killed annually with hammers and clubs than with rifles." Also from the link, "If they start limiting our guns and grinding away at our rights, it's just going to get worse," Sanders said. "How far is it going to go? If they start doing mental health checks, that's a very sticky area. They'll start saying, 'Well, who in their right minds need a gun?' How far is it going to go? I hate to use Nazi Germany as a -- well I don’t hate to use it, but I don't want to refer to any force in this country as Nazism. Nazism isn't alive in this country, but fascism is." Student speaks out about shooting on Lone Star Campus. _______ [Edited by: MahopacJack at 1/23/2013 10:12:22 AM EST]

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A student who is President of a gun rights group at Lone Star College was interviewed by the Huffington Post.

From the link, "Sanders said he was concerned about the influence of the Democratic Socialists of America, a political group that endorsed Barack Obama in his failed attempt to win a congressional seat in 2000. Sanders said he also feared the federal government may turn the Federal Emergency Management Agency and other agencies into paramilitary forces aimed at cracking down on the rights of citizens.

"If you do a little bit of reading about which way this country is going, yeah, we need to hold onto our firearms," Sanders said. Asked where he got his information, he said that he trusts statistics put out by the FBI. A recent post on the Breitbart blog pointed to FBI data that suggests more people are killed annually with hammers and clubs than with rifles."

Also from the link, "If they start limiting our guns and grinding away at our rights, it's just going to get worse," Sanders said. "How far is it going to go? If they start doing mental health checks, that's a very sticky area. They'll start saying, 'Well, who in their right minds need a gun?' How far is it going to go? I hate to use Nazi Germany as a -- well I don’t hate to use it, but I don't want to refer to any force in this country as Nazism. Nazism isn't alive in this country, but fascism is."

Student speaks out about shooting on Lone Star Campus.

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[Edited by: MahopacJack at 1/23/2013 10:12:22 AM EST]

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cymk All-Star Author Detroit Posts:635 Points:185,610 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:25:54 PM Ignore cymk Report Abuse Don't get me wrong jeskibluff, I'm all for practicing our right to bear arms, but as you say there is no one perfect coultion to the issue.
RAB2010 All-Star Author Kalamazoo Posts:506 Points:66,210 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 12:23:29 PM Ignore RAB2010 Report Abuse Are there any "gun free" zones? These people are not mentally ill; they are cold and calculating murderers. They keep making the points that 1) gun control does not work, and 2) there is no such thing as a "gun free zone." The "majority" continues to miss the points. Why is it that people can not see that these people are criminals; they do not legally own these firearms - firearms obtained with the intent to commit a crime are not legally obtained; they commit their crimes where they KNOW the level of resistance will be as low as possible. It would be the same if they used knives or hammers. These people are smart, calculating, and wicked. Until the world awakens to this reality, and starts dealing with the wickedness, we will continue to witness murderous rampages.
jeskibuff Champion Author Tampa Posts:7,900 Points:1,451,060 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 6:26:29 AM Ignore jeskibuff Report Abuse cymk said: "Armed or not, how do you expect 170 security guards to cover 254 acres o[f] property?" It's certainly a big task and no solution would be "bulletproof" perfect. But either by employing a number of security guards or allowing faculty (or even qualified students) to be armed or have access to firearms certainly provides much better odds at stopping an assailant than does the proven failure of gun-free zoning!
oilpan4 Champion Author Virginia Posts:12,062 Points:306,900 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2013 1:44:06 AM Ignore oilpan4 Report Abuse "Unless some mythical space ship flies around the earth with a magic magnet to scoop up all the guns, there will never be a gun free zone". Then they will eat us or enslave us.
YDraigGoch Champion Author Illinois Posts:7,346 Points:86,435 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 6:38:00 PM Ignore YDraigGoch Report Abuse Unless some mythical space ship flies around the earth with a magic magnet to scoop up all the guns, there will never be a gun free zone. However, with the United Sates being the largest supplier of arms to the rest of the world, using out tax money to pay for it, there are certainly a LOT of free gun zones.
oilpan4 Champion Author Virginia Posts:12,062 Points:306,900 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 2:15:49 PM Ignore oilpan4 Report Abuse Gun free zones only protect common criminals, deranged mass murdering perps and crazy ex relationship partners.
oilpan4 Champion Author Virginia Posts:12,062 Points:306,900 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 2:15:36 PM Ignore oilpan4 Report Abuse Gun free zones only protect common criminals, deranged mass murdering perps and crazy ex relationship partners.
cymk All-Star Author Detroit Posts:635 Points:185,610 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Jan 28, 2013 1:19:53 PM Ignore cymk Report Abuse oilpan4>>>Who says they need a gun?<<< True, I will revise the question then, "how do you pickout an assailant with a bag/coat full of weapons/explosives from a student overloaded with books and papers?"
AC-302 Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:26,606 Points:2,905,020 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Jan 27, 2013 9:08:25 PM Ignore AC-302 Report Abuse The topic should actually be titled: Topic: YET ANOTHER SHOOTING in a Gun Free Zone
RAB2010 All-Star Author Kalamazoo Posts:506 Points:66,210 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: Jan 26, 2013 9:13:38 PM Ignore RAB2010 Report Abuse Must be the NRA was right - the only way to stop an armed thug is to be armed. Some one said to me years ago that "there is no common sense any more." To see so many senseless morons is mind boggling. Next, there will be a call for white people to cover up with show polish; for heterosexuals to be required to "just try" being "gay" for a day; for every high school kid to be forced to "try" pot. Every thing is backwards. Thugs go free, innocent people are arrested and murdered by police, and law-abiding people are made out to be criminals. What next?
owt Champion Author Tennessee Posts:10,292 Points:1,591,570 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jan 26, 2013 10:37:31 AM Ignore owt Report Abuse We need more "gun free zones".....that really works doesn't it? If that doesn't work make more laws to make guns illegal, that really works, no cocaine out here to be found, is there. Ban something else to coddle the liberals, David slay Goliath with a rock....BAN ROCKS. Sometimes people just need to be smacked to wake them up to see the light.
worryfree Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:23,878 Points:1,871,725 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jan 26, 2013 12:40:35 AM Ignore worryfree Report Abuse A sniper on every roof.
oilpan4 Champion Author Virginia Posts:12,062 Points:306,900 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Jan 26, 2013 12:32:26 AM Ignore oilpan4 Report Abuse "Lone Star College System says all its 170 officers police and security personnel have been trained for such emergencies" A lot of good that did. "How do you pickout a gunamn" Who says they need a gun?
cymk All-Star Author Detroit Posts:635 Points:185,610 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 11:08:07 AM Ignore cymk Report Abuse popcorn, if it were only that simple. If you saw the map I linked to, you would have noticed the numerous buildings (13 i believe) which have an unnumbered amount of floors and exits. Guns cannot accurately shoot through walls, even the barret that cliffy mentioned, without the chance for some accidental causalties. I doubt even a 10 man team for each building (and one for the exterior grounds) could repell a gunman from getting inside one or more of the buildings (assuming they are working in 3 shifts, each shift made up of 10 men). Those 10 men would have to patrol their entire building (or campus grounds) while trying to pickout a possible gunman from the numerous students and teachers who go to school everyday. How do you pickout a gunamn with a bag/coat full of weapons from a student overloaded with books and papers?
Cliffisher Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:26,046 Points:3,139,575 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 10:15:04 AM Ignore Cliffisher Report Abuse The Barrett M82A1 Effective range, over 1,800 metres (5,900 ft) (1.1 miles), along with high energy and availability of highly effective ammunition such as API and Raufoss Mk 211, allows for effective operations against targets like radar cabins, trucks, parked aircraft and the like. The M82 can also be used to defeat human targets from standoff range or against targets behind cover. One gun mount, 3 shifts.
PopcornPirate Champion Author New Jersey Posts:3,920 Points:1,173,370 Joined:Nov 2006	Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 9:37:44 AM Ignore PopcornPirate Report Abuse ""Armed or not, how do you expect 170 security guards to cover 254 acres or property? Thats roughly one guard per every 1.4 acres, and I'm pretty sure they aren't all working at once."" AR15 - Muzzle velocity 975 m/s (3,200 ft/s) Effective range 400–600 m (avg 547 yd) .45 Model 1911 - Muzzle velocity 825 ft/s (251 m/s) Effective range 91 m (avg 100 yd) .40 S&W - Muzzle velocity 1175 ft/s (358 m/s) Effective range 46–69 m (avg 50-75 yd) That is how
Cliffisher Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:26,046 Points:3,139,575 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Jan 23, 2013 4:47:30 PM Ignore Cliffisher Report Abuse Watch it Fly - the mods will give you a unkind message if you keep that up. I don't have to remind you that it is a two way street. In this world you get what you give.
flyboyUT Champion Author Utah Posts:22,887 Points:1,012,810 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jan 23, 2013 4:02:26 PM Ignore flyboyUT Report Abuse Watch it Cliff - the mods will give you a unkind message if you keep that up.
Cliffisher Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:26,046 Points:3,139,575 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Jan 23, 2013 12:38:27 PM Ignore Cliffisher Report Abuse "Armed or not, how do you expect 170 security guards to cover 254 acres or property? Thats roughly one guard per every 1.4 acres, and I'm pretty sure they aren't all working at once." One officer for every acre. three shifts weekends $35,000 per officer 1,016 cops should be enough. $35,000,000 should cover it.
Cliffisher Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:26,046 Points:3,139,575 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Jan 23, 2013 12:34:08 PM Ignore Cliffisher Report Abuse The only point is on the top of flybynights hat? 170 officers. All armed?
101Speedster Champion Author Ventura Posts:30,450 Points:2,719,595 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Jan 23, 2013 11:58:47 AM Ignore 101Speedster Report Abuse So Cliff is saying that we need more armed police and security personnel?
flyboyUT Champion Author Utah Posts:22,887 Points:1,012,810 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jan 23, 2013 11:57:22 AM Ignore flyboyUT Report Abuse Cliff has a point? [Edited by: flyboyUT at 1/23/2013 12:01:29 PM EST]
cymk All-Star Author Detroit Posts:635 Points:185,610 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Jan 23, 2013 11:57:13 AM Ignore cymk Report Abuse Armed or not, how do you expect 170 security guards to cover 254 acres or property? Thats roughly one guard per every 1.4 acres, and I'm pretty sure they aren't all working at once. this is alot of ground to cover
101Speedster Champion Author Ventura Posts:30,450 Points:2,719,595 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Jan 23, 2013 11:49:44 AM Ignore 101Speedster Report Abuse Not sure what point you are trying to make, Cliff.
Cliffisher Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:26,046 Points:3,139,575 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Jan 23, 2013 10:28:59 AM Ignore Cliffisher Report Abuse Gun Free? In a statement issued late Tuesday night, the Lone Star College System says all its 170 officers police and security personnel have been trained for such emergencies and the Office of Emergency Management followed contacted students via text messages, e-mail, web, voice messages, and personal announcements. 170.
101Speedster Champion Author Ventura Posts:30,450 Points:2,719,595 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Jan 23, 2013 10:15:34 AM Ignore 101Speedster Report Abuse How many lives have been saved because of a gun?