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RNorm

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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 7:32:00 PM

"If a lot of African-Americans back in the '60s had guns and the legal right to use them for self-defense, you think they would have needed Selma? I don't know, I'm just asking. If John Lewis, who says he was beat upside the head, if John Lewis had had a gun, would he have been beat upside the head on the bridge? Anyway, that's what we're -- and these people that think like Brokaw are all over the media. This is the way they're looking at this."

However, some who lived through those days who can soundly refute Rushbo's ignorance and revisionist history:

"Our goal in the Civil Rights Movement was not to injure or destroy but to build a sense of community, to reconcile people to the true oneness of all humanity," said Rep. John Lewis.

African Americans in the 60s could have chosen to arm themselves, but we made a conscious decision not to. We were convinced that peace could not be achieved through violence. Violence begets violence, and we believed the only way to achieve peaceful ends was through peaceful means. We took a stand against an unjust system, and we decided to use this faith as our shield and the power of compassion as our defense.

And that is why this nation celebrates the genius and the elegance of Martin Luther King Jr.'s work and philosophy. Through the power of non-violent action, Dr. King accomplished something that no movement, no action of government, no war, no legislation, or strategy of politics had ever achieved in this nation's history. It was non-violence that not only brought an end to legalized segregation and racial discrimination, but Dr. King's peaceful work changed the hearts of millions of Americans who stood up for justice and rejected the injury of violence forever."


As I've said before, many people today love to QUOTE Martin, but have NO CLUE as to what he was about and what he stood for.
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NE Guy
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Message Posted: Jan 24, 2013 5:54:54 PM

Limbaugh appeals to a certain segment of the population, not a large segment, just enough to give him ratings. He's an aspect of the worst traits of corporations and of human nature, nothing more.

Limbaugh isn't dumb enough to actually believe what is coming out of his own mouth. That's what makes him such a repulsive man. He hates himself. Which explains the drug use.

He has no idea of the history of the civil rights movement John Lewis is a thousand times the human being that Rush is. What he did took REAL courage.

Next, Limbaugh will come out in favor of the protestors shooting at the police during the Vietnam protests.
"If only the Students at Kent State had been armed…..”
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Jan 24, 2013 4:50:26 PM

Rushbo, and his sheep,

SAD

Not as sad as obama and his sheep, you know, the ones that keep falling for his smoke, and mirrors, and just gave him four more years to shove his radical way left of center agenda over on us.

Now, that's SAD.
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Jan 23, 2013 12:00:46 PM

Thanks, RNorm, for helping Rush to be the number one rated talk show host in the country. ;)
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jan 23, 2013 11:57:49 AM

"The facts are that Rush Limbaugh was not talking about civil rights or jim crow but gun control legislation. He was speaking as if blacks were beyond that as they are today."


Right...*eye rollage coupled with sarcasm*

Lets look at what Rushbo said:

"If a lot of African-Americans back in the '60s had guns and the legal right to use them for self-defense, you think they would have needed Selma?"

Well, since he's talking about African-Americans in the 60's he IS talking about the civil rights era. And he can't be talking about gun control legislation because African-Americans were indeed citizens and DID own guns, even back then.



"I don't know, I'm just asking."

I know Rushbo is an idiot, but, we'll play along with his stupidity.




"If John Lewis, who says he was beat upside the head, if John Lewis had had a gun, would he have been beat upside the head on the bridge?"

Again, Rushbo refers to a Civil Rights Icon who indeed was almost beaten to death on the Edmund Pettus Bridge. So trying to imply that Lewis' beating didn't happen shows more of Rushbo's ignorance. And since the motivation of those marchers were to peacefully protest, they would not be taking up arms, which Rushbo in his stupidity thinks is the solution to all problems.




"Anyway, that's what we're -- and these people that think like Brokaw are all over the media. This is the way they're looking at this.""

That is NOT the way anyone is looking at anything. Rushbo has been exposed for being stupid once again, and is trying to save face.

Nice try, but no dice.
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BlackGumTree
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Message Posted: Jan 23, 2013 9:02:14 AM

The facts are that Rush Limbaugh was not talking about civil rights or jim crow but gun control legislation. He was speaking as if blacks were beyond that as they are today. Read what Rep. John Lewis said. He proves himself deceptive.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jan 23, 2013 8:57:42 AM

"But RNorm does not seem to be concerned about the facts even though it is apparent in what Rep. John Lewis said, that Limbaugh’s comments were not about civil rights."


Um, the FACTS are that whites in the jim crow south would be up in arms when blacks defended themselves from the whites with guns.

See, Rosewood, Florida for proof of that.
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BlackGumTree
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Message Posted: Jan 23, 2013 8:50:08 AM

Don’t be as ignorant as Rep. John Lewis thinks you should be.

In an effort to bad mouth Rush Limbaugh, Rep. John Lewis misrepresented what Limbaugh was talking about.

Rush Limbaugh asked "If a lot of African-Americans back in the '60s had guns and the legal right to use them for self-defense, you think they would have needed Selma?

The central issue boils down to the question: What are the facts? Yet there are many zealots who seem utterly unconcerned about facts or about their own lack of knowledge of facts.

This was not a civil rights question, it was a right to keep and bear arms question. Rep. John Lewis was glad for the opportunity to make this inaccuracy.

But RNorm does not seem to be concerned about the facts even though it is apparent in what Rep. John Lewis said, that Limbaugh’s comments were not about civil rights.

The title of this thread should be “The Ignorance of Rep. John Lewis on full display as he tries to distort the PURPOSED choice of Gun Control.”

For Gun Control see:

Do Gun Control Laws Control Guns?

[Edited by: BlackGumTree at 1/23/2013 8:58:59 AM EST]
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Cliffisher
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Message Posted: Jan 23, 2013 8:11:48 AM

Rushbo and his sheep.

Sad.
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YDraigGoch
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Message Posted: Jan 22, 2013 8:46:35 PM

>> Sadly, too many people today don't understand that... <<

Especially Limbaugh.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jan 21, 2013 8:27:27 PM

"Nonviolence means avoiding not only external physical violence but also internal violence of spirit. You not only refuse to shoot a man, but you refuse to hate him."

Martin Luther King, Jr.

Sadly, too many people today don't understand that...
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Message Posted: Jan 21, 2013 6:12:32 PM

I doubt African Americans had any chance of purchasing in the 1960s due to traditional white-owned gun dealers likely discriminated against them on the spot. Quite sad Constitutionally, but that was the unfortunate era.

Regarding the so-called dominance of the "peace movement"

What we witnessed here in Detroit was that the cooler-heads-prevail MLK movement apparently was not moving fast enough for the radical progressive movement (who enjoys power today). A small movement of disruptors that makes enough noise to drown out the majority peace movement.

Ok, if White oppression by government is removed, shouldn't things get better? Detroit rid itself 100% of it when Coleman Young was elected in 1974. What went wrong?

However, lets step back in time two mayors! Detroit Mayor Jerry Cavanaugh, a brilliant White wealth re-distributor, poured out the money programs to minorities from 1961-1968. Subsidized housing, food, jobs, the list was long! Then "White Flight" began on his watch as taxes were increasing to pay for the redistribution programs. Companies moved to the suburbs to avoid the taxation -- Econ 101. Detroit was in critical debt and less people available to pay for it.

Cavanaugh even proudly marched in a Detroit parade with MLK in 1963 and everything was going swimmingly -- so we thought.

In July of 1967 the city was set on fire in riots (with Cavanaugh as sitting Mayor). How can this be??

Post riot, "White flight" out of Detroit accelerated to epidemic panic levels.

We should be worried about today's "rules for radicals" movement which has a dotted line on the org chart to Obamas desk. Be assured that this is not the MLK movement but a radical force who has no problem using violence to get there way. Witness Obama who Bullies his way on every subject -- and if you stand in the way? Right or wrong, you will be clobbered!

We lack a peace movement today and Obama has squandered this opportunity
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jan 21, 2013 12:52:30 AM

"But RNorm, what about the Deacons for Defense and Justice?"


Theirs is a widely unknown and very compelling story...

But Rushbo was talking about Selma and specifically John Lewis...who was not part of the Deacons (and still has steel plates in his skull from the beating he received on that bridge), but part of Martin's group who all renounced achieving their goals by violent means.

It was the very position on Non-Violence that separated Martin and Malcom (which is another story in and of itself), as well as the Deacons (because not all agreed with the non-violent means to the common end; i.e., equality for African-Americans).
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 10:14:31 PM

But RNorm, what about the Deacons for Defense and Justice?
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PappaVanTwee
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 9:56:52 PM

>>>
listen to Rush to get the facts
Thank you.
<<<

Listen to him to get deceived, you mean.
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 9:38:31 PM

talk about ignorance, guess who this person voted for
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 9:14:13 PM

"listen to Rush to get the facts"


*ROTFL*!!!!

The TRUTH is that Rushbo knows NOTHING about the NON-VIOLENT Civil Rights movement...

And anyone trying to defend this stupidity from Rush also knows nothing about what would happen to a black man who shot (or even attempted to shoot) a white racist in the Jim Crow South...
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daylily2009
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 8:47:12 PM

the truth dector Rush Limbaugh!!
listen to Rush to get the facts
Thank you..
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 8:10:45 PM

"If a lot of African-Americans back in the '60s had guns and the legal right to use them for self-defense, you think they would have needed Selma?"

Is Rush implying somehow the 2nd Amendement didn't apply to African-Americans back then?

I would think if Lewis did have a gun and tried to use it, he wouldn't be here today to refute this nonsense from Rush.
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