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michaelphoenix2

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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 9:45:11 PM

Simple question should we alter the congressional makeup and allow the residents of Washington DC to have representation?

why?/why not?
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daylily2009
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 1:23:17 PM

no
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:44:47 PM

In defense of DC including the ugly side, visiting the many monuments and museums are worth the trip. The Vietnam Memorial is a pilgrimage to many of that war's vets. Finally DC, a great place to visit and I have many times but I would not like to live there.
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NickHammer
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:23:22 PM

>>But no matter what, the DC residents ought to have a vote for the presidential ticket. I believe they do not now, but if I'm wrong, someone correct me, please.<<

DC gets 3 electoral votes in Presidential elections. This was due to the 23rd amendment to the Constitution, passed in 1961.

>>I have been to D.C. several times. Beautiful city. Saw the Beach Boys there July 4th, 1985. Can't wait to get back and spend time in the Smithsonian.<<

I saw the Beach Boys there a few times on July 4 - it was great. I often wondered if my family was part of James Watt's "wrong element".
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 11:58:29 AM

Flexible units = Conservative math

ROTFL
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 11:55:48 AM

"There are certain parts of DC that are very ugly, and I would NOT advise tourists to set foot in."

AC, there are parts of my area I advise tourists to avoid!
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 11:41:36 AM

No, I don't believe they should.
Population is down from 1950 and it is not a state...

District of is link on some facts about D.C.

They are under the direct jurisdiction of Congress...

Are they looking to become a state?

Are we looking to make more changes to the Constitution?
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 11:39:12 AM

There's been talk of DC statehood for some years. I think they ought to be lumped in with the MD delegation, IMHO. But then their population ought to count for MD getting more representatives. But no matter what, the DC residents ought to have a vote for the presidential ticket. I believe they do not now, but if I'm wrong, someone correct me, please.

Jayrad said: "I have been to D.C. several times. Beautiful city. Saw the Beach Boys there July 4th, 1985. Can't wait to get back and spend time in the Smithsonian."

--Around the mall, its nice. But go up to the neighborhoods around the National Arboretum some time. Bars on the windows, cops on the streets. There are certain parts of DC that are very ugly, and I would NOT advise tourists to set foot in. Even some areas near Georgetown aren't so hot. Been there, done that, thank goodness I didn't get "rolled".

[Edited by: AC-302 at 1/19/2013 11:42:18 AM EST]
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NickHammer
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 11:24:05 AM

>>No Nick my comment on the size of land area was in response to the idea of they sould have senators because they are a certain size.<<

No, flyboy, no one came close to writing that. But I'll give you yet another opportunity (of countless opportunities, of which you have taken up exactly zero) to PROVE yourself correct. PROVE that your "comment on the size of land area was in response to the idea of they sould have senators because they are a certain size".

>>But keep on telling me what I think - its amusing at best.<<

I have no idea what you're thinking - I can only go by what you write. And what you wrote, as you are now admitting, demonstrated that "land area" refers to size (which, BTW is DOES).

>>Read again Nicky "If you (correction - your) gonna go on land area".<<

I can read it a thousand times, it still comes out the same - "land area" refers to size, you just admitted that that's how you used the term, and you're still trying to backtrack.

And, BTW, you don't need to "correct" a typo from a previous quote, but if you really feel the need to do so, at the very least you should correct it with something that's actually correct.
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 10:49:17 AM

No, the people that live in DC have never had a Senator or representative. If the people are that concerned about having representation, they can easily move to Maryland or Virginia.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 12:34:25 PM

No Nick my comment on the size of land area was in response to the idea of they sould have senators because they are a certain size. But keep on telling me what I think - its amusing at best.

Read again Nicky "If you (correction - your) gonna go on land area".

But you are correct on one thing - my memory is not as good as it used to be for sure - but I admit it.
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NickHammer
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 12:26:58 PM

>>No additional senators would be added if DC was absorbed by the surrounding states. Not sure how many representatives would be added for 600,000+ people.<<

600,000+ people would be 1 representative. Currently, there is 1 rep for every ~650,000 people.

gocatgo is correct about cons worrying about adding Dems to Congress. The last time Congress tried to give DC a representative in Congress, they tied it to giving an extra representative to Utah, as well, for no other reason than balancing out the 1 certain Dem congressman with a Rep congressman. This is the problem with DC not having representation in Congress - you get everyone else making decisions for them.
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NickHammer
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 12:03:22 PM

>>Yes Nick the Senators are based on land area - commonaly known as states.<<

Don't try to weasel out of being wrong by changing your definition of "land area" to what you now want it to mean, as opposed to how you used the term earlier.

Remember this???
>>Heck my county is bigger than Rhode Island and only 50 sqmi smaller than Delaware. If you gonna go on land area then my county should have a couple of Senators and a Rep.<<

You're talking about "land area" as the SIZE of the land, which it IS.

So my reading comprehension is just fine. I just thought I'd include your original statement, since you appear to have some memory (or is it honesty) issues.
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teacher_tim
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 11:51:26 AM

Sure gocatgo,
We couldpick up four Democratic senators with DC and PR
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 11:33:16 AM

>>Sadly I see many of the usual con suspects are worried more about adding more dems to Congress than doing the right thing.<<

No additional senators would be added if DC was absorbed by the surrounding states. Not sure how many representatives would be added for 600,000+ people.

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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 11:23:35 AM

DC is a unique city as the nation's capitol with a population of 600,000+. The city should have a couple of Reps but no Senator. Taxation without representation is a basic freedom this nation was founded on. Sadly I see many of the usual con suspects are worried more about adding more dems to Congress than doing the right thing.
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worryfree
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 11:23:04 AM

NO asolutely not because whoever was elected would be a Democrat. Now if we could somehow rig it so the representative was a Republican...(satire)
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worryfree
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 11:23:03 AM

NO asolutely not because whoever was elected would be a Democrat. Now if we could somehow rig it so the representative was a Republican...(satire)
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 10:38:26 AM

Nick sez- ""Land area"? Are you serious? flyboy, remind me to never take a civics lesson from you." Nick remind me to never take a reading comprehension class from you either.

Yes Nick the Senators are based on land area - commonaly known as states. The number of Senators per land area is fixed at two per unit. But since yo claim to know so much you should be able to explain just how the number of Representatives per unit of land area is determined. Hint - it has something to do with the pop (Population) within that unit of land area.
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 10:31:23 AM

Dumb question: Why haven't we ever made DC a part of one of the neighboring states?
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therder
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 10:25:51 AM

Let their elected delegate vote in the House of Representatives but do not give them Senators. Technically Senators represent States not citizens.
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 10:11:00 AM

"Land area"? Reps. have always been apportioned in relation to population. If "land area" had anything to do with it, Alaska would have 60 Reps.
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Bell30012
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 10:10:54 AM

If people in Washington DC don't like it, they can feel free to move. It's a pretty small area. They can just move 10 miles any direction and they will then be happier as they will then pay local/county/state and federal taxes of either Maryland or Virginia.

DC isn't the only part of the US without representation in Congress. If they decide that they must give DC two senators and one congressman who asks for that same treatment next? Puerto Rico? American Samoa? Guam? US Virgin Islands?

How about little Palmyra Atoll? Depending on the time of year they have half dozen to two dozen people living there. If you were born there, you would be an American Citizen. What about Indian Reservations? There are many reservations larger than the District of Columbia.
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NickHammer
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 9:57:52 AM

>>But Nick we go by a combinatin of pop and land area.<<

"Land area"? Are you serious? flyboy, remind me to never take a civics lesson from you.

>>Supposedly there are two senators per land unit. and at least one Rep<<

There's no "supposedly" about it. Two Senators and at least one Representative per state.
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 8:35:30 PM

BGT, thank you. As we know, the area today is 68.3 sq. miles.

I have been to D.C. several times. Beautiful city. Saw the Beach Boys there July 4th, 1985. Can't wait to get back and spend time in the Smithsonian.
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BlackGumTree
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 8:24:54 PM

jayrad1957 - "Can someone show me where the Constitution says D.C. should only be 10 miles square? Thank you in advance."

No problem, Section 8 - Powers of Congress, 2nd to last paragraph:

"To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And"

This was originally a little less than 100 square miles. It would have been 100 square miles, but a little piece of it was part of Alexandria, Virgina which was not taken. The portion taken from Virginia was given back to Virginia and became known as Arlington, Virginia. The District of Columbia took over all of Georgetown and Georgetown remains a part of DC today.

I am so familiar with Washington, DC that it probably appears to me to be a lot smaller that it does with those who are unfamiliar with it. And I have been in a lot of the homes of the Elite in DC and Bethesda, MD. And also Foreign embassies both business and residential. A tour most people never get.
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 8:16:22 PM

Doesn't matter as long as the money keeps flowing in.
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 5:35:29 PM

It's somewhat ominous that Obozo's limos will have "Taxation Without Representation" tags on them. I think it's a more honest assessment of his philosophy than "NO Taxation Without Representation".
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 4:39:33 PM

Remember Jay - I dont listen to Rush ---- because he is too darn liberal to suit me. :-)
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 4:27:48 PM

Ok Jay I will modify and explain - Mr. speaker may I amend my prior statement of 'left coast' to read 'radical far proggie/lib left coast'.

:-)

Ok now ?

[Edited by: flyboyUT at 1/17/2013 4:28:34 PM EST]
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 4:23:45 PM

Can someone show me where the Constitution says D.C. should only be 10 miles square? Thank you in advance.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 3:32:03 PM

"Did you not already know that?"

I did. The comment was for the benefit of some who think D. C. is undeserving of representation.
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 3:30:33 PM

"dinky states on the left coast".

Fly, I think you have your geography backwards.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 3:15:23 PM

But Nick we go by a combinatin of pop and land area. Supposedly there are two senators per land unit. and at least one Rep. NOw if people are going to agitate for a couple of senators for DC because its got some acreage or they are going to agitate for Senators from them dinky states on the left coast maybe we need to look at Senators per unit of land area and Reps per unit of p[opulation - just saying now ya hear...
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NickHammer
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 2:57:29 PM

>>Heck my county is bigger than Rhode Island and only 50 sqmi smaller than Delaware. If you gonna go on land area then my county should have a couple of Senators and a Rep.<<

What if you go by population? How many senators and reps would that give you? ;-)
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 12:53:45 PM

"Rhode Island is 1,545 sq miles w/ 1 million population.
Delaware is 2,490 sq miles w/900,000 population"

Heck my county is bigger than Rhode Island and only 50 sqmi smaller than Delaware. If you gonna go on land area then my county should have a couple of Senators and a Rep.

I vote to give the DC mess back the the states it was carved out of. Let them deal with it.
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 10:03:13 AM

From what I have found online, Washington D.C. is 68.3 sq. miles in area. Until proven otherwise, that is what I will go with.
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 9:59:53 AM

Opps! My mistake. The Constitution says 10 miles square, not 10 square miles.

Still, it isn't very big. And people can walk from any place in the District to any other place in the District.

But the citizens to have the opportunity to approach any Representative or Senator and claim assistance because they don't have a Representative or Senator of their own. And that is an advantage.

But I still think they should be citizens of Maryland and have representation in Annapolis as well as access to all other resources Maryland citizens have.
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BlackGumTree
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 9:18:16 AM

The area is not 67 nor 61 square miles. When originally laid out including the Virginia portion, it was 10 square miles which is all the Constitution allows. The Virginia portion, which was given back reduced that. The land portion is obviously under 5 square miles. The border between Virginia and Maryland is on the Virginia side of the Potomac, so a portion of the Potomac River is actually in Washington, DC.

As for representation, DC residents have it better than everyone else: they have 435 representatives and 100 senators with the only disadvantage being that they don't get to vote for any of them. From any point in the District a DC citizen can walk to the office of any Congressman. If they want, they can take a local bus, take a taxi, or even drive a very short distance. They can even make a local phone call. Do the rest of you have that kind of accessibility?
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 8:58:33 AM

It is a total of 61 square miles. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 600,000 population. Make it part of Maryland & under their congress men & Senators.

Just so everyone knows & compares ...
Rhode Island is 1,545 sq miles w/ 1 million population.
Delaware is 2,490 sq miles w/900,000 population
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 8:52:49 AM

The approx. 67 square miles of what is now DC originally belonged to Maryland. Simply give it back and, problem solved.
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BlackGumTree
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 8:35:00 AM

No. The District of Columbia is not a State. And it's not very big. People who live there who want Congressional representation can easily move to Maryland or Virginia.

I was born in Washington, DC. My family goes back to 1795 in Washington, DC and many of my ancestors are buried there including the ancient cemetery in Georgetown.

Washington, DC should be considered as part of Maryland. It was taken from Maryland. While the Federal Government should exercise some control over the District, the People of DC should be considered citizens of Maryland and be represented in Annapolis, and be allowed all the other rights of Maryland citizens. This would solve the problem most fairly.

sgm4law please take note: The Virginia portion of Washington, DC was already given back to Virginia. That portion is now known as Arlington.

[Edited by: BlackGumTree at 1/17/2013 8:38:32 AM EST]
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NickHammer
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 7:35:12 AM

>>So the citizens of DC are taxed without representation. How nice.<<

Did you not already know that? Obviously, living in the D.C. area, I am familiar with this issue, but I do wonder how many people in our country aren't aware of this fact.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 7:05:52 AM

So the citizens of DC are taxed without representation. How nice.
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 11:30:28 PM

"Why should there be any citizens of the United States who DON'T have representation in Congress?"

Exactly. There shouldn't be.

Yes, there should be 2 senators and appropriate number of Reps.

[Edited by: jayrad1957 at 1/16/2013 11:31:17 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 11:11:44 PM

sgm: "Yes, please. Just don't add them in to the Maryland or Virginia populations--let them remain their own entity."


I'll bet the farm that your blue state elected officials would fight tooth and nail to prevent that from happening, even though it would result in two more democrat Senators, lest they lose all that nice tax revenue from all those federal government workers should they no longer be counted as Maryland residents.


mudtoe

[Edited by: mudtoe at 1/16/2013 11:14:01 PM EST]
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NickHammer
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 11:09:12 PM

Of course residents of D.C. should have representation in Congress, maybe not both a senator and representative, but at least one voting representative. Why should there be any citizens of the United States who DON'T have representation in Congress?
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michaelphoenix2
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 10:43:30 PM

@ flyboy ---- it would tilt those states blue
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 10:42:36 PM

Why SGM?
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 10:41:15 PM

Yes, please. Just don't add them in to the Maryland or Virginia populations--let them remain their own entity.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 10:26:54 PM

No - it is not a state and the people who live there should go back to the deal that was made when it was carved from the various states. Better yet give the governance back to the individual states and let the present laws for the states rule.
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