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mudtoe

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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 8:00:31 PM

Obama has plenty of company when it comes to using children as props.


Leaders who use Children as Props


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KansasGunman
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Message Posted: Jan 21, 2013 9:03:13 AM

Pro at using children as props.
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Jan 21, 2013 8:57:56 AM

I'm a little confused here????
During 9-11 President Bush was scheduled to be at the school for a short visit & a little PR. Probably as a favor to a Senator or Congressman.
By his own words he did not want to frighten the children by rushing out of the class. He composed himself & exited ASAP.
If nothing would have happened on 9-11 the news would have shown a short blurb of him sitting listening to children sing to him.

The Liberal media constantly show that same image of him sitting in that class & not reacting to the news that the US has been attacked.
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RAB2010
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 12:12:25 PM

Leaders who use children as props aren't . . . leaders.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 11:49:26 AM

Well...hate to say it mud but using kids as props has been a political staple since there have been politicians.
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 11:47:26 AM

Maho, I did not accuse Bush of knowing 911 was going to happen. I believe Bush used the children for a staged event. Arguing about what was known about the hijackers already in the country before 911 is another topic of which no one was held accountable. Stretching the truth on wmd and no one being held accountable would fit in the same topic. Both events cost thousands of American lives. All of this is going off topic though.

Using children or victims as props will never stop and in some cases is good. Getting children involved in politics at an early age can be life changing. I say that because I was chosen to debate for JFK in school. The vote in my Va class nearly mirrored the actual election results. I came to the conclusion that most 12-13 yr olds voted like their parents.

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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 12:02:12 AM



mudtoe, you forgot this one.

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[Edited by: Panama19 at 1/20/2013 12:04:15 AM EST]
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 9:49:02 PM

"For your scenario to correct, Bush would have had to have known about the Twin Towers, Pentagon, and the highjacking out of Newark Airport."


I don't think that Bush was knowledgeable about 9-11, but the fact remains that during his administration, Bush DID have many "Staged" photo/video ops, some of them including children.

So if Obama is a communist/socialist for "using kids as props" then so is Ye Olde King George.
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 8:23:32 PM

gocatgo, >>Maho, "not staged" with the cameras rolling during a planned event? I beg to disagree, the event was "staged" that is what politicians do from "both parties". That said, it does not make it a bad thing.<<
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For your scenario to correct, Bush would have had to have known about the Twin Towers, Pentagon, and the highjacking out of Newark Airport. We left with two greatly differing opinions.
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 2:00:05 PM

Maho, "not staged" with the cameras rolling during a planned event? I beg to disagree, the event was "staged" that is what politicians do from "both parties". That said, it does not make it a bad thing.

Tim, "the feel good PR" the above is for you too.

mud "a hand in the attack" absolutely Not. On 911 Bush was at at a planned event with a classroom of 2nd graders(props).
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jan 19, 2013 12:14:40 AM

"In order for something or someone to be a "prop", the setting has to be staged."

Yeah, like these fake news stories:

"Federal authorities are actively investigating dozens of American television stations for broadcasting items produced by the Bush administration and major corporations, and passing them off as normal news. Some of the fake news segments talked up success in the war in Iraq, or promoted the companies' products.

Investigators from the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) are seeking information about stations across the country after a report produced by a campaign group detailed the extraordinary extent of the use of such items."


Ol King George faked out the faithful...
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 10:13:48 PM

Obama is doing what comes naturally; terrorists in Gaza hide behind children in schools. What else is new?
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 5:17:46 PM

gocat: "Does anyone remember the classroom full of props W Bush was with when the Twin Towers was being hit. "


In order for something or someone to be a "prop", the setting has to be staged. Since you are saying that Bush used them as props, then it must follow that you believe that Bush knew that 9/11 was going to happen ahead of time and consciously chose to be in that spot with those children at the time he received news of the attack. As such, do you believe he had a hand in the attack, or just knew the details of the plan and decided to let it happen anyway?


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[Edited by: mudtoe at 1/18/2013 5:19:37 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 4:29:19 PM

gocatgo, >>Does anyone remember the classroom full of props W Bush was with when the Twin Towers was being hit. Cons you don't have to answer that since you may have a different slant on the truth.<<
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Although I'm not a fan of either Bush, the video of him on 9/11/2001 was not staged (IMHO) as are most of the politicians (BOTH parties).
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 12:37:50 PM

"We can safely assume that the kids onstage with Obama don’t have a fine-grained sense of the limits of gun control or a proper regard for the Second Amendment. That’s OK, though — neither does he.

It can’t be said that using kids as props was beneath the gravity of occasion, since the occasion was all about feel-good PR and make-believe. For all the emphasis on stopping another Sandy Hook, Obama didn’t offer anything that would do it.

The president plugged for a universal background check. Adam Lanza’s mother, who owned the guns he used on his rampage, passed a background check. James Holmes, the Aurora, Colo., shooter, passed two background checks. The Virginia Tech shooter passed two background checks (although he shouldn’t have)."
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/an-infantile-spectacle-86311.html#ixzz2ILh3xN5O
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 12:08:48 PM

jay, you may be "shocked" but cons are not while singing "A bashing, we will go, a bashing we will go".

Does anyone remember the classroom full of props W Bush was with when the Twin Towers was being hit. Cons you don't have to answer that since you may have a different slant on the truth.
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 12:22:26 AM

Details please on what Obama did to take your guns. You made the remark, now back it up.
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 11:14:19 PM

"And to think with the snap of obama's little finger look what he did in such a short time span when it came to grabbing our guns."

It would sure take some talent to be able to snap one's little finger.

And the proposals he made regarding guns--which ones grab your guns?
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 11:09:48 PM

"What do we have for 'em, Johnny? "


He's won a 47% T-shirt from RMoney himself! With this stylish T-shirt, he can let the whole world know that he went down in flames on the sinking RMoney ship and lost the Electoral College by a huge margin and the popular vote by: 47%!!

*ROTFL*
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 10:09:14 PM



I'm still waiting for the photo op of small innocent children to help those stranded with no homes, food, and running water in New Jersey and New York. Gee.. how long have they been waiting?!

And to think with the snap of obama's little finger look what he did in such a short time span when it came to grabbing our guns. Let's see middle of Dec and as of yesterday Jan 17... he has a pen in his hand just pushing pushing and pushing all this time to chop away of WE THE PEOPLE!



[Edited by: sissurf at 1/17/2013 10:13:13 PM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 10:03:57 PM

EZ I agree but I didnt want to make and issue of it because the president is supposed to be a leader isnt he.
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 9:58:18 PM


"It is true that you may fool all the people some of the time; you can even fool some of the people all the time; but you can't fool all of the people all the time."

Smart man that Abe
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 9:27:39 PM

Congratulations on being the first to compare the President to Hitler and Stalin in the new year.

What do we have for 'em, Johnny?
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 9:25:49 PM

Flyboy: "<<<The title of the topic is "Topic: Leaders who use children as props"">>>

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That's where the libs have you, Obama isn't a leader. ;)
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 8:46:18 PM

Teh title of the topic is "Topic: Leaders who use children as props"
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 8:16:31 PM

"Leaders who use children as props"

That is the title of this thread. Somehow, Reagan, Bush and Romney were left out. I wonder why?

[Edited by: jayrad1957 at 1/17/2013 8:20:44 PM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 7:38:29 PM

Jay how has the thread been 'debunked'?

Did not Obama use kids as props to sell his political stuff. Nobody said that others didnt do it.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 7:02:21 PM

"I noticed the right hasn't been here of late trying to defend it. Was fun when you started it. Look who is laughing at the rightwing now.


Indeed!

*ROTFL*
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 6:37:22 PM

Now that the premise of this thread has been debunked, I noticed the right hasn't been here of late trying to defend it. Was fun when you started it. Look who is laughing at the rightwing now.
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 5:22:31 PM

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pax, you can't be serious, talk about props? this is just plain stuipd to try to say your link was anywhere close to the same as mud's link - wow
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And your going to say that that photo of Bush getting the news was staged?
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You have to remember that the left thinks that Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld were behind 9/11 and therefore Bush would have been in a position to choose ahead of time to use those children as props for when he got the "news", just like how Obama chose to have children present at his press conference today.
<<<

Hey, are those airplanes flying over your heads? (i.e. my point went right over your head... gotta put that in there, or you'll think it's a 9/11 reference). I posted that particular photo, because without it being 9/11, it was the President in a room full of children... a photo op for better education. Unfortunately, like I pointed out, it sometimes doesn't end well.

Oh, my! Reagan, too?

[Edited by: Paxman356 at 1/17/2013 5:23:49 PM EST]
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NE Guy
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 4:15:54 PM

Freuidian slip.

That's awesome.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 2:26:24 PM

"RNorm, I didn't want to use that one because it's so inflammatory/funny (depending on what side you're on)."


LOL, I had some pause myself, but when people try to act as if the right doesn't do the same thing they're moaning and whining about, RMoney had to be put on the table.

Now I wonder if they're gonna call that Venture Capitalist a communist now since he was doing the exact same thing they only attribute to communists and/or socialists???

I doubt it.
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 2:23:35 PM

RNorm, I didn't want to use that one because it's so inflammatory/funny (depending on what side you're on).
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 1:49:00 PM

Both sides do it and it is silly.
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 1:44:52 PM

In addition to being unable to spell his own name (or it was a freuidian slip), he also uses kids as props too! Despicable!!
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 12:24:03 PM

I don't care for any political leader that uses people as props to support an ideology -- its phony. Signing a Bill into law no problem -- that's a photo op the leader earned.

But doctors in white medical coats during Obamacare -- trying to persuade: "even doctors agree with this!"

(reality: few doctors agree)

This "more laws is a step in the right direction" is phony. The only people that will be prosecuted for having a "pistol grip" type rifle or a "clip" will be ordinary people, not criminals.

This is by liberal design (end justifies the means)

I have an antique military rifle with a small clip. Its been in our family for decades -- not worth much but is priceless to me, I dont even fire it.

With executive orders -- First step will be to pay an expensive annual licensing fee that will likely exceed the value of the rifle in about 2-3 years. We will be told these "fees" fund anti-violence "programs" but really just gets dumped in the general fund for bridges and airports to nowhere.

When I dont want to pay it anymore and the government will gladly let me dispose of this antique rifle with them -- FREE!

This is liberal soft tyranny -- something my father would have never imagined possible in the United States when he first acquired this rifle.

Cant pay the tax? Hand it over, we already know where you live.

Progressives and their destruction of ordinary people! Don't want to buy Obamacare? Pay us $2000, we already know where you live!

Sick and tired of these progressives and we have 4 more years of this ilk.


[Edited by: e_jeepin at 1/17/2013 12:27:43 PM EST]
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 12:18:57 PM

I am shocked I tell ya SHOCKED! Shocked the right can't find examples of their own doing this. SHOCKING!

Nothing more than unbridled hate of anything Obama.

[Edited by: jayrad1957 at 1/17/2013 12:20:31 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 12:14:30 PM

Every politician has used kids as props since before any of us were even born, and they (all politicians) will keep on using them as props.

[Edited by: cymk at 1/17/2013 12:15:25 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 11:40:22 AM

I'd rather see children as props than targets by the crazy son of an nra member.

Rock, Obama the "anti Christ" and you base that on your unbiased religious beliefs no doubt, Lol.

They live among us.
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 11:18:06 AM

Yeah, it's only been done by Obama and the bad guys.
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 11:15:56 AM

I can't imagine it, no.
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 10:56:42 AM

Mudtoe: <<<"Can you imagine the howl of indignation from Obama and the left if Boehner used children in an appearance and say had them hold up a sign in front them showing how much of Obama's legacy of debt they will each have to pay for?">>>

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Yeah, 4 year old Johnny and 5 year old Katie each holding a sign "I am $56,000 in debt and nothing to show for it." Make sure as well to get a couple of your more "cranky" kids as well for this "photo op"... :)
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 9:21:44 AM

What a bunch of crap.

But since you want to roll in the gutter, here are a few morsels you left out:

Your Fearless Leader...

I'm sure you left Bush off by accident

We don't want no Bush left behind, right?
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 9:02:55 AM

RockCity, >>...but when the NRA uses the president's kids as props, they are patriots and not considered dispicable, perhaps.<<
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They weren't used as props, they are examples of the hypocrisy of the elitists who enjoy the comfort of having armed guards for their children at tax payer expense while the majority of our children are made targets via legislation that schools be gun free zones. In the case of the NRA, it is an organization who is bringing attention to this inequity and not a dictator preying upon the emotions of the citizenry.


[Edited by: MahopacJack at 1/17/2013 9:06:01 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 6:31:37 AM

Obama uses children and he is the anti christ, but when the nra uses the president's kids as props, they are patriots and not considered dispicable, perhaps.
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 12:30:36 AM

EZ: "I wonder if Obama will use the same children as props when calling for a news conference in regards to balancing the budget? "


Can you imagine the howl of indignation from Obama and the left if Boehner used children in an appearance and say had them hold up a sign in front them showing how much of Obama's legacy of debt they will each have to pay for?


mudtoe


[Edited by: mudtoe at 1/17/2013 12:32:12 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 11:47:20 PM

I wonder if Obama will use the same children as props when calling for a news conference in regards to balancing the budget? You know, to signify the people that we are leaving the tab of our current lavish spending?

Will he be so passionate about balancing the budget that he'll sit there and sign a couple of dozen executive orders to get the ball rolling?

Marketing is what got Obama re-elected. They were able to sell a defective product to the American people. If Republicans were smart, they would use children props to combat the democrats resistance to curbing spending.

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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 10:45:26 PM

"How do you people even sleep at night if you take this nonsense seriously?"

They don't sleep at night. They spend their time coming up with this nonsense. From the looks of this garbage, they are lacking sleep.

[Edited by: jayrad1957 at 1/16/2013 10:46:24 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 10:43:14 PM

"pax, you can't be serious, talk about props? this is just plain stuipd to try to say your link was anywhere close to the same as mud's link - wow "

Right, because our democratically elected President has more in common with fascist and communist dictators throughout history than he does with our last president.

How do you people even sleep at night if you take this nonsense seriously?
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 10:31:52 PM

jdh: "pax, you can't be serious, talk about props? this is just plain stuipd to try to say your link was anywhere close to the same as mud's link - wow "


You have to remember that the left thinks that Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld were behind 9/11 and therefore Bush would have been in a position to choose ahead of time to use those children as props for when he got the "news", just like how Obama chose to have children present at his press conference today.


mudtoe

[Edited by: mudtoe at 1/16/2013 10:37:33 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 10:25:04 PM

And your going to say that that photo of Bush getting the news was staged?

But you will maintain Obama's use of kids for his signing of executive orders that will have little if any effect to make kids safer wasnt staged?

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