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rayw45 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:7,777 Points:393,800 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 6:59:12 PM Ignore rayw45 Report Abuse The idea of putting armed guards in every school sounds attractive to some, but it is not realistic in many ways. First the cost - assuming the guards would not be minimum wage workers and earn a fair salary (say $50K a year with no benefits or pension???), it would cost the taxpayers close to $7-billion dollars a year. AND---- the idea shows a lack of knowledge about how schools work and the buildings themselves. Who would guard the students when they are at recess on the playground? or when gym classes held outdoors? If the guard went outside with the students, the doors would be unguarded. Solution, more than one guard.

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The idea of putting armed guards in every school sounds attractive to some, but it is not realistic in many ways.

First the cost - assuming the guards would not be minimum wage workers and earn a fair salary (say $50K a year with no benefits or pension???), it would cost the taxpayers close to $7-billion dollars a year.
AND----
the idea shows a lack of knowledge about how schools work and the buildings themselves.
Who would guard the students when they are at recess on the playground? or when gym classes held outdoors? If the guard went outside with the students, the doors would be unguarded. Solution, more than one guard.

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Edger Champion Author Pittsburgh Posts:40,408 Points:2,498,810 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 2:28:05 PM Ignore Edger Report Abuse Dismantle the Department of Education. Use that money to pay for protection of our children in the schools. Most school districts did just fine picking their textbooks and running their curriculums without the brain washing of green nonsense and climate control over children.
flyboyUT Champion Author Utah Posts:23,180 Points:1,038,420 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 1:43:51 PM Ignore flyboyUT Report Abuse If the folks are still demanding that the govt fund the guards and whine about the expense - read this... . Maybe we could stop funding 'green companies' overseas and stop funding 'green companies' altogether. Maybe we could prioritize what we spend money on. After all - 'its for the children' and 'if it saves just one life'.
worryfree Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:24,029 Points:1,893,165 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 10:58:12 AM Ignore worryfree Report Abuse NO on armed guards. YES on current or retired police officers. If each child had a $20 fee tacked on the average 400 child school could pay for a full time LEO.
WES03 Champion Author Maryland Posts:4,980 Points:1,291,495 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:46:47 AM Ignore WES03 Report Abuse Arming teachers who desire to protect themselves and their students would be much cheaper.
jdhelm Champion Author Iowa Posts:12,146 Points:1,226,590 Joined:Dec 2009	Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:22:07 AM Ignore jdhelm Report Abuse this story has circulated around as factual since 1999, however, it's just a story, but - has some merit right now: - General Cosgrove was interviewed on the radio recently. Read his reply to the lady who interviewed him concerning guns and children. Regardless of how you feel about gun laws you have to love this! This is one of the best comeback lines of all time. In a portion of an ABC radio interview between a female broadcaster and General Cosgrove who was about to sponsor a Boy Scout Troop visiting his military Headquarters. ... FEMALE INTERVIEWER: So, General Cosgrove, what things are you going to teach these young boys when they visit your base? GENERAL COSGROVE:! We're going to teach them climbing, canoeing, archery and shooting. FEMALE INTERVIEWER: Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible, isn't it? GENERAL COSGROVE: I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the rifle range. FEMALE INTERVIEWER: Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children? GENERAL COSGROVE: I don't see how. We will be teaching them proper rifle discipline before they even touch a firearm. FEMALE INTERVIEWER: But you're equipping them to become violent killers. GENERAL COSGROVE: Well, Ma'am, you're equipped to be a prostitute, but you're not one, are you? The radiocast went silent for 46 seconds and when it returned, this interview was over.
flyboyUT Champion Author Utah Posts:23,180 Points:1,038,420 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 11:06:14 PM Ignore flyboyUT Report Abuse How many kids are killed by deranged shooters in schools? How many kids are killed by gangbangers or druggies? How many kids are killed by drivers who text/use cell phone while driving. If we were a logical bunch wouldnt we place our emphasis on whre the most are being killed and where it is easiest to make a significant difference?
nstrdnvstr Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:37,030 Points:4,012,455 Joined:May 2001	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 10:58:18 PM Ignore nstrdnvstr Report Abuse rayw45, first of all, are you saying our kids aren't worth $7 billion? Secondly, a new person would not have to be hired, the school can have a counselor, teacher or principal be the designated person that is armed and pay them just a little extra. Way back when I worked at an inner city school there was an armed police officer there.
flyboyUT Champion Author Utah Posts:23,180 Points:1,038,420 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 8:35:52 PM Ignore flyboyUT Report Abuse Why not just do away with the 'gun free zones' and let teachers and staff who have a CC permit bring their own 'protections' at no cost to the taxpayer? Why does a local problem that people are willing to solve at no cost to the taxpayer keep being talked about as another place for the feds to spend more money they dont have?
noseatbelt Champion Author Indiana Posts:7,772 Points:207,430 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 5:15:17 PM Ignore noseatbelt Report Abuse More like the gun control nuts are flocking together, and they are loony, if they think banning assault weapons, and large capacity clips, will do anything but keep law biding citizens from getting them. mean while, someone intent on doing harm will still be able to get them, one way or another.
americanmade1 Champion Author Tampa Posts:8,085 Points:1,224,500 Joined:Nov 2009	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 4:47:22 PM Ignore americanmade1 Report Abuse That's when you acquire the use of retirees whether military or law enforcement looking for a job that should be real hard to do, when I went to high school in the 70's we had a NYC police officer stationed there and NEVER had an incident there.. with the economy doing as wonderful as oBlame-o thinks it is that would be a GOOD thing and our children would be safe..
Cliffisher Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:26,262 Points:3,164,350 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 4:05:23 PM Ignore Cliffisher Report Abuse Marty, Use the words bear scat. It is the same thing but the sailor doesn't go over the deep end.
MiddletownMarty Champion Author Connecticut Posts:17,760 Points:272,435 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 3:51:12 PM Ignore MiddletownMarty Report Abuse Yeah, yeah. If the right stopped posting so much crap and behaving like bat-crap loons they wouldn't hear the word nearly as often.
flyboyUT Champion Author Utah Posts:23,180 Points:1,038,420 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 3:43:00 PM Ignore flyboyUT Report Abuse You tell him Cliffy ---- he probably should stay there until he learns how to discuss stuff like a polite adult.
Cliffisher Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:26,262 Points:3,164,350 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 3:40:25 PM Ignore Cliffisher Report Abuse Marty, go stand in the corner. The potty mouth warden says you have been naughty.
flyboyUT Champion Author Utah Posts:23,180 Points:1,038,420 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 3:34:42 PM Ignore flyboyUT Report Abuse And once more a sure sign that Marty has lost an argument is his resort to childish potty mouth discussion. Marty the reason she is out to lunch is that, based on her statement, she doesnt seem to have any experience or knowledge at all regarding firearms. Kinda reminds me of some things you have postured. But in one respect she is 100% right - he had a gun they had nothing to defend themselves or the kids with - they didnt have a chance. But on the other hand if she is saying that having some armed teachers and staff would still mean they wouldnt have a chance - suurrre thats why cops have handguns - so they wont have a chance.
rayw45 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:7,777 Points:393,800 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 2:52:46 PM Ignore rayw45 Report Abuse oilpan4 - I got my cost the simple way. I looked up how many schools were in the USA and arbitaror ily decided that $50K seemed a reasonable salary for anyone qualified to do the job. I did not include benefits or pensions because that would be up tp the school systems to de
MiddletownMarty Champion Author Connecticut Posts:17,760 Points:272,435 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 8:35:53 PM Ignore MiddletownMarty Report Abuse "Well she is entitled to her opinion regardless of how silly it is." It's more than an opinion. Robinson is what one could call "the decider" and she has the community supporting her. If guns in every school is a good idea, guns in every classroom should make us safer, right? Check the article about David Barton... he's advocating arming every child. The gun nuts are flocking together and they are bat-crap looney. [Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 1/16/2013 8:41:19 PM EST]
ber5 All-Star Author Chicago Posts:664 Points:132,445 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 8:25:24 PM Ignore ber5 Report Abuse gee, according to blog middletownmarty linked too, "Robinson flat-out rejected the NRA proposal to place armed guards in every classroom in America, noting that the weapon used in the Sandy Hook shooting was a semi-automatic. "They didn't have a chance," she said." I thought the NRA proposal was by school. Maybe there is another problem for the reading comprehension for the superintendent...
jayrad1957 Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:19,917 Points:1,625,190 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 8:23:20 PM Ignore jayrad1957 Report Abuse Dang, I remember watching that "All in the Family" episode. Tempus fugit.
MiddletownMarty Champion Author Connecticut Posts:17,760 Points:272,435 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 8:08:51 PM Ignore MiddletownMarty Report Abuse Beck 'Historian': History Proves Armed Elementary Kids Prevent School Shootings "The great example, in the 1850s you have a school teacher who's teaching," the historian explained. "A guy, he's out in the West, this guy from New England wants to kill him and find him. So, he comes into the school with his gun to shoot the teacher, he decides not to shoot the teacher because all the kids pull their guns out and point it at him and say, 'You kill the teacher, you die.' He says, 'Okay.' The teacher lives. Real simple stuff." Barton added: "There was no shooting because all the kids -- we're talking in elementary school -- all the kids pull their guns out and says, 'We like our teacher, you shoot our teacher, we'll kill you.'"
MiddletownMarty Champion Author Connecticut Posts:17,760 Points:272,435 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 8:07:08 PM Ignore MiddletownMarty Report Abuse Arm everyone!
flyboyUT Champion Author Utah Posts:23,180 Points:1,038,420 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 8:07:04 PM Ignore flyboyUT Report Abuse Hey Marty - just how well did that gun free zone work for them? From your linked article - "Robinson flat-out rejected the NRA proposal to place armed guards in every classroom in America, noting that the weapon used in the Sandy Hook shooting was a semi-automatic. "They didn't have a chance," she said." Well she is entitled to her opinion regardless of how silly it is.
MiddletownMarty Champion Author Connecticut Posts:17,760 Points:272,435 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 7:51:12 PM Ignore MiddletownMarty Report Abuse Newtown school superintendent rejects NRA proposal to arm teachers
flyboyUT Champion Author Utah Posts:23,180 Points:1,038,420 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 7:47:55 PM Ignore flyboyUT Report Abuse Ray there are a couple of states that have learned that alloweing teachers and staff to carry in the schools seems to work. The folks who wish to do so could be offered some training if you like but so far it has been all done at no cost to the taxpayers in a few states. Spending more federal tax dollars to fix a local problem that people will volunteer to fix at no cost just doesnt make a whole lot of sense.
RNorm Champion Author San Bernardino Posts:45,196 Points:794,555 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 7:36:00 PM Ignore RNorm Report Abuse Its funny how people say we gotta stop spending, but then when it matters to them, other people's money is no object....
jeskibuff Champion Author Tampa Posts:8,039 Points:1,475,835 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 7:20:04 PM Ignore jeskibuff Report Abuse $7-8 billion would have been paid for ten times over by the $90 billion that Obozo blew on "green" initiatives. Besides, enabling teachers and faculty to access arms seems much more cost effective and provides greater coverage than what a few paid armed guards could possibly do. It would also leave a perp worrying which faculty members would be armed, whereas an armed guard pretty much broadcasts the identity of the man with the weapon(s). Same principle as air marshals on airlines - can you spot them easily?
oilpan4 Champion Author Virginia Posts:12,136 Points:308,040 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 7:07:15 PM Ignore oilpan4 Report Abuse Yes NPR was saying it would cost between 7 and 8 billion.