EZExit
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 9:15:11 PM
I am really impressed too, now that I have verified that the NRA does not support mass shootings, but does support my right to own a gun, they are awesome!
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worryfree
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 11:17:19 AM
The NRA is no more than the lobbying arm of the gun industry. One reason I did not renew my membership last year. Too extreme. They do some good with safety training,etc. But their blatant attacks on Obama and anyone that advocates any kind of tighter gun laws so their masters can sell more guns and bullets was just too much for me. And it is working-the fear instilled has made it impossible to find .223 ammo or magazines for sale on line. Heck I can't even find reasonably priced .45 ammo now. I did see a case of 62 grain green tipped "penetrator" ammo on "sale" for $1750. It was about $400 a year ago. Talk about taking advantage of a tragedy.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 11:10:35 AM
What would lead you to think that I am in favor of background checks at all?
FYI I wasnt a sewerpipe sailor. The vessel I was on for a short time was properly named a ship.
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 11:08:35 AM
Background checks are good.
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Cliffisher
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 11:06:20 AM
Flybynight, you sure know how to skip, jump and dodge around.
(From your time on the boat?)
Do you agree that ALL firearms sales,including private sales, must include a background check?
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 11:03:27 AM
Hey black kitty - would you like to tell us just how those two ideas mesh. Joining the NRA is one thing. That does not tend to lead one to wiahing to pay more or less tax for anything. I was of the impression that two separate actions that have no relation to each other really cant be joined.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 11:02:41 AM
egn: "If you joined NRA does that mean that you support increased taxes to pay for all the armed guards they are advocating at schools? "
It means just what I said it means, that I support anyone willing to take the gloves off and publicly call out Obama for who he is. As for where the money would come from for the armed guards at schools, take it out out of the teachers pension fund; or better yet do what Wisconsin and Michigan did and wipe out the government unions in the first place and then there will be plenty of extra money for guards. In Wisconsin a whole lot of school districts went from being in the red to being in the black with a stroke of a pen when they weren't required to buy health insurance anymore from a company operated by the unions which was screwing them royally (that was part of the union contract that was nullified by Walker's new law).
mudtoe
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 11:00:25 AM
Ydraid - you do know me quite well. When I got rid of my guns and reloading equpment and supplies a lot of them and it I gave away to people who had given me guns or other stuff. A few I sold to people I knew very well.
Personally I feel that what I did with my guns to dispose of them when I could no longer use them was every bit as important as how I used them when I had them. Its called responsibility.
Nick again you seem to have a real problem with reading comprehension dont you!
This is what I said - "It depends on who is selling what at the gun show or anywhere else. If it is a private citizen they can sell it either at the show or anywhere else they choose as far as I know."
From that you somehow get - "He said that about 40% of all guns are sold without a background check." meaning the FFL guy you asked. You also got - "Madison police say a man with a history of mental illness planned to kill two people with an assault rifle he bought online."
Now go back and read once more real carefully this part that says "If it is a item that requires a 'instant background check' for a FFL dealer to sell then it must be done." What that really says is that a FFL licensed dealer/person MUST perform the background check and file the porper paperwork underpenalty of law.
The other part you really need to read slooooowly for comprehension this time - "If it is a private citizen they can sell it either at the show or anywhere else they choose as far as I know." This says that a private citizen - who is not a dealer - can sell to anyone they wish. The 'as far as I know' refers to the idea that local laws are not exactly the same everywhere.
Nicky this having to explain to you how to read is getting kind of old. Try dealing with the written word more and your biases less.
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El_Gato_Negro
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 9:01:52 AM
If you joined NRA does that mean that you support increased taxes to pay for all the armed guards they are advocating at schools?
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Cliffisher
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:56:51 AM
flybynight, just for you.
By Associated Press
Jan. 18, 2013 7:34 a.m. | Madison - Madison police say a man with a history of mental illness planned to kill two people with an assault rifle he bought online.
The 20-year-old man was arrested Thursday. He's being held in the Dane County Jail.
Police spokesman Joel DeSpain says the intended victims were a 54-year-old woman and a 21-year-old man. DeSpain says the man was acquainted with both. He says an AK-47 assault rifle and ammunition were found in the man's Madison home.
The man's mother tells the State Journal her son had recently been hospitalized in the psychiatric unit at University Hospital
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Cliffisher
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:55:07 AM
flybynight,"But if you want the straight skinny ask a FFL dealer."
I did.
He said that about 40% of all guns are sold without a background check.
(He also said that if he didn't like a buyers "look", he will refuse to sell to them even if they did pass the background check.)
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YDraigGoch
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Message Posted: Jan 18, 2013 8:47:12 AM
FlyboyUT;
I think I know you well enough to be certain you would not do this. But suppose...
Suppose you sold a gun through a newspaper ad. Two weeks later, you see a headline that says the guy took that gun, and killed a bunch of people. He had a history of mental problems, and periodic bouts of rage.
Now, I know that you would be beside yourself with anguish. But there are a lot of people who would just shrug it off, and say "Hey, it wasn't my fault. It was my gun, I can sell it any way I darn well please".
Sadly, we both know there are people like that.
There are also unscrupulous dealers who will sell a gun to anyone. As many as they want.
There are currently thousands of gun laws on the books. But laws to track these, and other activities that put guns in the hands of bad guys, have been emasculated. Back door "amendments" to bills have made it impossible to find such people. ALL of these restrictions on the law were put in place by congressmen at the urging of that lobbying outfit known as the NRA.
The upshot is this. Well meaning people who are fed up with all the shootings find they cannot do ANYTHING to keep guns away from bad guys. So, they start thinking that the only solution left is to take guns away from EVERYBODY.
And that is something I would like to avoid.
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 4:43:56 PM
sent my check in today, I only own a 410, and a 22 rifle, never really had the urge for anything else, but the constitution haters like obama needs to be stoped. All baning assault rifles, and clips holding more then 10 shots, will do is insure that law biding citizens can't get them. criminals meanwhile will still be able to get what ever they want. I'm betting even obama, and the other gun control nuts knows that, but will never admit it, even if their life depended on it.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 4:35:09 PM
Hey there Cliffy - WRONG -
It depends on who is selling what at the gun show or anywhere else. If it is a item that requires a 'instant background check' for a FFL dealer to sell then it must be done. If it is a private citizen they can sell it either at the show or anywhere else they choose as far as I know.
But if you want the straight skinny ask a FFL dealer.
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Cliffisher
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 4:16:06 PM
""Seventy-four percent of the current and former NRA members and 87 percent of the other gun owners supported criminal background checks of anyone purchasing a gun, according to the poll."
DUH, required already except for personal transfers. (National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS)"
Wrong.
Gun shows and private sales do not require a background check.
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Cliffisher
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 4:13:34 PM
"ROFL! Class warfare rhetoric doesn't work on conservatives, because we aren't envious, jealous, or bitter about someone earning lots of money. Even if every word you said was true (which of course it isn't"
No class envy.
Every word is true.
It was a big document, but I read the NRA's 2011 non profit reports.
the top ten officers of the NRA were paid $6,210,409.
The French guy made a little over $900,000 and the top earner was paid a little over $1,000,000.
Clip-Clip-clip
One fresh sheep at a time.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 10:55:43 PM
jdh: "mud, if you don't have your CCw yet, better get it."
I got it a couple of years ago when I bought my first weapon. I just never got around to joining the NRA at the time.
mudtoe
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KansasGunman
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 10:44:50 PM
As a Life Member since 1974, welcome aboard...along with the 100,000 other new members who have joined over the past 60 days!
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 10:11:10 PM
mud, if you don't have your CCw yet, better get it. I'm giving another class in4 weeks and we'll have around 60-80 women and men there.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 9:19:59 PM
Cool, there is one just a few miles from me. :)
mudtoe
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sissurf
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 6:48:05 PM
Second Amendment Activist Centers
Check out your state.
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sissurf
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 6:35:37 PM
Virginia: House Militia, Police and Public Safety Subcommittee #1 Will Hear Several Firearm Bills Tomorrow
I just got back from Richmond too! Oh well, sure would love to go to this ho-down! I noticed it starts at 5. If mud hadn't posted this info. I wouldn't of had a clue this was going on. There's nothing on the news about this!
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On Thursday, January 17 at 5:00 p.m. the House Militia, Police and Public Safety Subcommittee #1 will hold a hearing on several bills of interest to Virginia gun owners, sportsmen and Second Amendment supporters. The following bills will be considered by this subcommittee in the 4th Floor West Conference Room of the General Assembly Building.
The NRA supports the following bill:
House Bill 1557: Sponsored by Delegate Robert Marshall (R-13), HB 1557 would train designated individuals to carry concealed handguns on school property.
The NRA opposes the following bills that, if passed and enacted, will severely infringe on your Second Amendment rights:
House Bill 2025: Sponsored by Delegate Patrick Hope (D-47), HB 2025 imposes a background check on all private firearm sales, including between family and friends.
House Bill 1693: Sponsored by Delegate Kaye Kory (D-38), HB 1693 removes exceptions for possessing certain unloaded firearms or knives in or upon a motor vehicle located at any elementary, middle or high school from the list of exceptions for possessing a weapon on school property. This would most dramatically affect hunters dropping off or picking up their children from school.
House Bill 2207: Sponsored by Delegate Joseph Morrissey (D-74), HB 2207 would prohibit certain semi-automatic (pseudo “assault”) rifles and magazines capable of holding more than twenty rounds from being imported, sold, bartered or transferred.
House Bill 1326: Sponsored by Delegate Luke Torian (D-52), HB 1326 would eliminate certain firearms safety courses that currently fulfill the resident and non-resident requirement for obtaining a concealed handgun permit.
House Bill 1662: Sponsored by Delegate Mamye BaCote (D-95), HB 1662 would allow localities to adopt ordinances to prohibit firearms or ammunition in libraries.
Please contact your state Delegate to support or oppose the legislation listed above if he serves on the House Militia, Police and Public Safety Subcommittee #1. For help identifying your state Delegate, please click here.
Members of this subcommittee can be found below:
(Chairman) Delegate Thomas Wright, Jr. (R-61)
Delegate C. Matthew Fariss (R-59)
Delegate Todd Gilbert (R-15)
Delegate Lynwood Lewis, Jr. (D-100)
Delegate Michael Webert (R-18)
[Edited by: sissurf at 1/16/2013 6:38:38 PM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 6:34:56 PM
greentre - based ona locally significant pool of liberals ---
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When asked he queston 'have you stopped beating your wife or significant other yet' more than 80% could only reply with a blank look or refused to reply. Another 13.8976% Just smiled and refused to answer. The rest just looked kind of dumfounded and asked "what was the question again or what do you mean by beating".
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sissurf
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 6:30:08 PM
Thanks mudtoe for the reminder.
My membership has expired and there is a gun show coming up for the weekend of 19-20. I don't know what they have left in guns or ammo, but I'm going anyway. I'll hit the NRA booth first and signed up for a one year membership before I buy my ticket, this way, I'll get a free ticket to walk in to see the gun show. A two for one! They just love it when women sign up.
Johnnyg1200, thanks for the reminder also!
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greentre
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 6:09:30 PM
You DO know the the NRA is for gun control? Just ask Mr. Luntz...
He says even NRA members are for gun control. "However, Luntz said he polled 945 gun owners nationwide - half of whom were gun owners who were current or former members of the NRA, a gun rights group that takes a hard line against most firearms control measures, and half of whom were not affiliated with the NRA. The survey had a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points."
So a 'majority' wants gun control!? A sampling of 945 out of ~80+ million owners. A drop in the bucket, but I love the questions he asked. I'll address each one.
"Seventy-four percent of the current and former NRA members and 87 percent of the other gun owners supported criminal background checks of anyone purchasing a gun, according to the poll."
DUH, required already except for personal transfers. (National Instant Criminal Background Check System, or NICS)
"Seventy-nine percent of current and former NRA members and 80 percent of the other gun owners supported requiring gun retailers to perform background checks on all employees to ensure they are not felons, the poll found."
DUH, once again. Felons are not allowed BY LAW to be in possession of a firearm! So if one of your employees is a felon, guess who the government will fine?
"Poll respondents also favored eligibility requirements for obtaining concealed weapon permits, with 63 percent of current and former NRA members and 74 percent of the other gun owners agreeing that applicants must be at least 21 years old."
Do I need to say it? (DUH!) Most states with concealed carry laws also have requirements for a person to be 21 to possess a handgun. Hard to carry a Garand in a CCW holster.
"More than two-thirds of respondents from both groups said that permits to carry concealed weapons should not be allowed for people who had committed violent misdemeanors, such as assault, or those who have been arrested for domestic violence."
Once again, LAW ALREADY! Persons convicted of violent crimes cannot legally have a CCW. At least not in the states where I have had a CCW.
"In addition, 71 percent of current or former NRA members and 80 percent of the other gun owners supported banning people on a terrorist watch list from purchasing guns."
I wouldn't allow people on a terrorist watch list to buy explosives either but the government does! Of course the so-called terrorist watch list is as messed up as a soup sandwich when six year old kids are detained because their name is on it.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 6:00:39 PM
cliff: "It only took 242,000 members to pay their wages in 2012."
ROFL! Class warfare rhetoric doesn't work on conservatives, because we aren't envious, jealous, or bitter about someone earning lots of money. Even if every word you said was true (which of course it isn't), we don't care how much somebody is paid as long as they produce the results we want, which in the end is what we are paying for. If the result is that Obama is thwarted, then it's worth everything we paid and more. We could care less if someone got rich producing those results for us, and in fact if they produced the kind of results we want, then as far as we are concerned they earned whatever they were paid.
mudtoe
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 5:57:16 PM
Here is another one from our peace loving anti gun wing nuts.
-+
Video game where players shoot NRA official
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 5:52:44 PM
I had been planning to do it for years and kept putting it off. Back in October I went to a gun show with my father-in-law. He bought a new pistol and I didn’t get a thing. On the way out I stopped at the NRA booth and signed up for a one year membership. I think I’ll be using part of my tax return to make it a life time membership.
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Cliffisher
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 5:11:39 PM
Shhhh, I think I hear the sound of sheep being sheared.
The 10 top officers should be in line for a bonus.
It only took 242,000 members to pay their wages in 2012.
In 2013 look for at least 248,000 members dues to make the French guy happy.
[Edited by: Cliffisher at 1/16/2013 5:14:16 PM EST]
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 5:08:48 PM
I was really impressed that someone finally took off the gloves and is ready to speak publicly and on the record as to who and what Obama really is without being cowed by political correctness.
mudtoe
[Edited by: mudtoe at 1/16/2013 5:09:39 PM EST]
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RAB2010
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 5:06:37 PM
Excellent choice; you have just proven that you are an informed and competent voter. Good to have you aboard.
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Panama19
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 4:17:28 PM
Welcome aboard!
I've been a member for about 50 years, and am now an Endowment Life member and a regular contributor to the NRA-PVF.
Great organization - very effective in defending our Constitution.
We need all the support we can get in order to keep our freedoms intact.
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 4:07:44 PM
hooah
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owt
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 3:53:32 PM
Welcome aboard
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 3:47:14 PM
reb: "Mudtoe, I just heard about the lifetime membership this morning, wonder how high that number will go? "
I think it was $1,000 on the web site. If I like my membership for this year and they make effective use of all the new money they are getting to thwart Obama, next year I may pony up for the lifetime membership.
mudtoe
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 3:44:11 PM
EZ: "You did, however forget to link to their website to help other gasbuddy members find where to join...."
You're right! I should have done that.
mudtoe
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 3:40:31 PM
Thanks, Mudtoe, I just did the same!
You did, however forget to link to their website to help other gasbuddy members find where to join, allow me... NRA Website
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 3:28:18 PM
"I'm sure your money will be put to good use. You're one of 100,000 new members since the Freedom haters started their smear campaign after the Newtown tragedy. "
Wow, tell us how you really feel MahopacJack, don't hold anything back...
Mudtoe, I just heard about the lifetime membership this morning, wonder how high that number will go?
[Edited by: reb4 at 1/16/2013 3:31:04 PM EST]
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MahopacJack
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 3:19:23 PM
I'm sure your money will be put to good use. You're one of 100,000 new members since the Freedom haters started their smear campaign after the Newtown tragedy.
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cymk
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 3:18:31 PM
Sending his kids to a school with armed guards is hardly elitist, anyone who sends their kids to that school gets the same protection for thier children. How many other politicians and diplomats also send thier kids to the same school?
Do you want someone holding the nation hostage becasue a large chunk of politicians and diplomats all send thier kids to the same school?
Any private school is more than welcome to hire armed guards.
On a more relevant subject, congrats on the membership.
[Edited by: cymk at 1/16/2013 3:19:08 PM EST]
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