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mexicomaria

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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2013 11:56:50 AM

I just watched the Pres of the USA speech on tv. He blamed the Republicans for all the things that are wrong in USA. What part did he pay in spending increase. So now he wants to pay those bills he had no money for.....seems that accounting 101 needs to be taken by everyone.

We will have an acrimonious relationship between the Congress and the Pres. if no one stops blaming.

Where do you feel, or who do you feel should lead in bringing the "blame game" to an end?

I have never seen such a acrimonious group in all my adult life. How did we arrive here? How does it stop? What a mess, I am not sure the divide that separates America will end now....

Can we all agree how the blame game can end...?

Suggestions on how can we start rebuilding a great nation without blame?

Mary steps down from her soap box.

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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Jan 22, 2013 6:23:05 PM

"On a TV news show recently, Charlie Rose asked Barack Obama if he could share any mistakes he had made in his presidency. His answer: "When I think about what we've done well and what we haven't done well, the mistake of my first term was thinking this job was just about getting the policy right. That's important, but the nature of this office is to also to tell a story to the American people that gives them a sense of unity and purpose and optimism, especially during tough times

A good salesperson might need a better story. True leaders don't worry about the story — they just lead and allow the results to speak for themselves.'"
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Amen!! Mike Tower...Blue Ridge Now.com Times on line news.

Is blame the better story, and does it bring unity so something gets done, are we raising a nation of "blamers" that will never get busy and accomplish anything. We are learning that blame is the way to go. Follow the leader.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 9:42:30 PM

Wanda: "He's been in office 4 years so things the bad economy & his spending that is out of control is all on his shoulders. "


You are assuming that he judges success and failure the same way you or I would, and I don't think he does. I believe his personal measure of success is based upon how much he can expand government and the entitlement state, and how much control of society and the economy he can transfer to government. The fact that the transfer itself causes damage is of no concern whatsoever to him. I'm firmly convinced that what he's trying to do is make America a socialist government centric state similar to Western Europe and his goal is to put enough entitlements and government controls into place during his term such that no future President or Congress will be able to undo what he's started.

I think he is figuring that if he can get government in control of enough stuff and promise enough freebies in the time he has left, inertia and people's desire for free stuff will finish the job for him even after he's out of office. As an example Obamacare is designed to destroy the private insurance companies, and even though he can't make that happen overnight, or even probably during his term, he has put the structure and rules in place to make it happen, which will live on after he's out of office, to finish the job on auto pilot once he's out of office. He's going to do the same thing with global warming, even if he has to do it by executive fiat rather than legislation, watch and see.

The real question is why. Does he really think a socialist economy can better provide for its citizens than a capitalist one? Are there any examples in the world to show this? Some often cite places like Sweden, but what they forget is that all of Europe is being protected by the U.S. and thus can spend next to nothing on defense and put it all toward socialism. Even with that advantage their socialist economies still stink. If they had to provide for their own defense their economies and governments wouldn't last a year.

My personal opinion is that the why is because he wants to get even with white America by tearing down capitalism and the economy which has given them wealth, and which he thinks his people have been deliberately shut out from. When you look at the people he's associated with over the years (e.g. Rev. Wright), many of them have this same mindset. I guess he figures that since his people don't have much wealth, destroying the economy isn't going to hurt them relative to how much it's going to hurt the white folks who do have it, and who are his primary targets. Obviously I can't read the man's mind, but when you look at the sum total of his life, what he's written, what he's said, who he's associated with, and what he's said and done as President, that conclusion is consistent with his past.


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Wanda127
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 7:18:13 PM

I don't understand why Obama doesn't just suck it up & admit that things are now under his administration & handle the problems.

Obama had a Full Democratic Congress the 1st 2 yrs. so he should have past a Budget passed & got things done his way. Now since he neglected do to do this he continuing the Blame Game! He's been in office 4 years so things the bad economy & his spending that is out of control is all on his shoulders.
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Wanda127
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 7:10:21 PM

Bell30012,owt & MudToe I agree with you 100%.

[Edited by: Wanda127 at 1/17/2013 7:12:21 PM EST]
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YDraigGoch
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 6:47:40 PM

But who do we blame for the blame game?

Think about it for a moment.
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Hiram 615
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 5:31:10 PM

"Mary steps down from her soap box."

err....or NOT. :)
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 3:55:42 PM

“I am never a failure until I begin blaming others.”

To be a leader one must get up, dust themselves off, and get down to the business of leading. Leaders did not apply to be blamers, they did apply to be leaders.
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 9:02:13 AM

Blame.... Is closer to Scapegoating then it is to Fault
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Bell30012
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Message Posted: Jan 17, 2013 6:14:57 AM

Blaming Bush and blaming the Republicans has been the trademark of this administration. I don't know why anyone is surprised that President Obama can't lead. He had no leadership experience in his life. He was never Governor of any state. He was never Mayor of any City. He was never Troop Leader of a Boy Scout Troop. He was a first term senator. The paint on his senate office walls was still drying when the decision was made to toss his hat in for the Presidency.

We hold leaders accountable for everything that happens during their terms. You never hear anyone blaming Dennis Hastert or Nancy Pelosi for the mistakes of the last administration. George W Bush is blamed. The same with Bill Clinton, George HW Bush and Ronald Reagan. We hold them accountable because we respect them as leaders.

Harry S Truman had a now famous sign on his desk, I saw it in the museum when I was a kid and I live by it, "The Buck Stops Here." Apparently, President Obama hasn't seen that sign.
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 5:33:13 PM

It's not going to stop until until we have an economic meltdown. We are engaged in essence in an all out economic war between the producers and the takers. Although this has been going on for some time as a series of skirmishes, Obama's election, the things he did in his first term, and his subsequent re-election, have escalated the conflict and the stakes to full fledged out in the open economic warfare. Until there is a victor, or perhaps I should say survivor, there will be no end to the conflict.

In Obama and his policies the takers have won a major battle, and he is transferring wealth and accumulating debt at an unprecedented and unsustainable pace. In the past economic growth, primarily fueled by technological advancement which allowed each producer to be more productive even though their relative numbers were declining versus the takers, was sufficient to mask the fact that government was increasing faster then GDP because at least some of that economic growth and the wealth it created was ending up in the hands of those who produced it. As such the producers didn't perceive the full magnitude of the threat facing them, mostly because it wasn't affecting their daily lives, yet.

Obama and the 111th Congress (2009 & 2010) changed the dynamics of this conflict. With the unprecedented deficit spending, coupled with Obamacare, and the use of executive orders to bypass Congress and further implement the taker's agenda, what balance that previously existed between producers and better technology on one side and the takers on the other, was radically changed in the takers favor. Since the takers have no intention of giving up their gains, and in fact smell final victory in the air (victory being a socialist United States modeled upon Western Europe), there is no hope of a compromise. You can see this in how Obama negotiated over the so called fiscal cliff, and now on the debt ceiling. They sense that political victory is within their grasp and they intend to go all in to get it. The fact that victory means economic ruin in the not too distant future is immaterial.

The producers are pretty much left with doing what they can to salvage their personal assets, and eventually they or their children will likely have to leave. The only thing that the producers have in their favor is that the people the takers have elected to Congress also have assets to protect and thus have a conflict of interest between what they promised their constituents they would do versus what's good for their own assets. This will somewhat slow down and blunt the takers victory and will provide the opportunity for savvy producers to use the same loopholes these people create in the law for themselves, to protect their own assets. Of course these kinds of loopholes rarely are good for the economy as a whole, so moving assets around to take advantage of such loopholes usually has the effect of making the economic situation worse.

At the end of the day an economic meltdown will occur and whoever is left to pick up the pieces afterward will have to start over.


mudtoe



[Edited by: mudtoe at 1/16/2013 5:35:58 PM EST]
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RAB2010
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 5:09:30 PM

Before rebuilding can begin, the traitor must be impeached, charged and tried for treason, and punishment carried out.
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owt
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 4:10:46 PM

Suggestions on how can we start rebuilding a great nation without blame?

Get rid of Obama, but the uninformed voted him back in.
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Snowchoux
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 1:24:45 PM

Obamouth is the king of the blame game.
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HELLRAZOR
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 12:20:33 PM

Yes,I am ----I have even strayed away from the news since the election cuz I really dont want to hear it.....More ESPN for me!
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 10:54:27 AM

>>In light of reason events, did the President really say this while blaming the Republicans...."Republicans, alleged the president, were “holding a gun at the head of the American people” by demanding Democrats cut deficit spending."<<

That is pretty much what he said. Obama still does not want to cut spending.
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 8:45:01 AM

well, where are the lib/left folks who usually blast topics like this?
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Jan 16, 2013 1:11:34 AM

In light of reason events, did the President really say this while blaming the Republicans...."Republicans, alleged the president, were “holding a gun at the head of the American people” by demanding Democrats cut deficit spending."

Is he just plain insensitive to the max, to use such a statement when blaming.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2013 11:59:38 PM

"Topic: Are you sick of the Blame Game...??"

--Yes, and I wonder when certain posters and certain politicians on the uber-liberal left are going to stop it?
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2013 11:40:09 PM

Maybe Congress and the president should not be paid until they can pass a budget.
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2013 12:45:24 PM

I actually post anyone here that I feel is doing the blame game, if I hear it...but I do feel that the Pres is the leader and he must lead by example.

Put a pen to paper and spend every day locked up with "them", "they", until you come up with enough spending cuts and get a deal done. Everybody needs to hurt some here.
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mexicomaria
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2013 12:37:30 PM

The pronouns, you, they, them, him, are getting old. We need someone, somewhere to lead us out of the "Blame Game". If the President doesn't want to lead, maybe a new leader will rise up and stop, or start to stop the Blame Game.

What horrible choice of words by our President chose this morning....."A gun to the head of the American people." Is he for real? At this time why would you if you were a healing leader choose those words. I just want him to lead, and lead by example....change his us vs them language...go sit down with "them" and together work out the healing of America.

For me...having been in management a large portion of my life, the buck stops with the leader....you either lead, and set the example, or lose the battle.

There are many folks who spend their time feeding on blame and they become angry, hostile, negative folks. Everyone has their number.
You rile up that group of folks by casting blame non stop... There are folks on both sides who feed on blame.

I guess I believe only a leader can lead. If there is no leader we have chaos.
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2013 12:28:36 PM

Obama: "I'm happy to engage in dialogue about deficit reduction."
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2013 12:14:33 PM

I have never seen such a acrimonious group in all my adult life. How did we arrive here? How does it stop? What a mess, I am not sure the divide that separates America will end now....

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recipe for disaster and possibly the answer as to how we got here?

[Edited by: jdhelm at 1/14/2013 12:15:14 PM EST]
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101Speedster
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2013 12:12:41 PM

"Everything is the Republicans' fault" is getting old, Obama.
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2013 12:09:34 PM

the - nmf potus

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historical potus?

[Edited by: jdhelm at 1/14/2013 12:11:30 PM EST]
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