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americanmade1

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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 11:30:23 AM

Why are the dems trying to rid the 22nd amendment now? because o-Blame-o is in the white House? 22nd ammendment
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 10:37:58 PM

sgm4law - I would tend to agree. Two terms is enough to influence the country.

jayrad1957 - while I would tell you that there have been corrupt politicians who sit on the Republican side, it seems to me there have been a whole lot more and a whole lot more unrepentant ones sitting on the Democrat side. And yes, I know folks post lists of corrupt politicians by party right here on these boards every now and again.
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sgm4law
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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 10:32:15 AM

I think 8 years is enough of any President.
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theTower
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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 9:58:57 AM

"Voters should have the absolute say."

If that is so then the people should be allowed to amend the constitution to include term limits. It's been done with the president. It shouldn't be impossible to include congress.
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Message Posted: Feb 7, 2013 9:13:10 AM

""Blackgum, if you do a little research you will find that George Washington wasn't our first President. You will also find out that Barrack Obama wasn't the first black President. John Hanson was. Prior to Washington each man could serve only one year in a three year period but no limit on number of terms. There were eight men who served in this position.""

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It was a previous form of government formed after the Revolution under the Articles of Confederation

"The second Continental Congress adopted the Articles on November 15, 1777, after 16 months of debate. The Articles then languished for another three years before ratification was completed on March 1, 1781. The Articles were replaced by the United States Constitution on June 21, 1788"

Articles of Confederation
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 4:29:06 PM

"If Harry and Nancy limited out long ago, the corruption power grab wouldn't have existed."

Highly doubtful. You don't think the same stuff goes on with people with an (R) behind their names?
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e_jeepin
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Message Posted: Feb 6, 2013 11:36:55 AM

Term limits arguably are un-Constitutional.

Voters should have the absolute say.

However, in today's realities, politicians buy voters share of mind with free stuff. "look what I did for you!" You cant lose if you are Santa Claus!

Since we cant seem to halt the soft money bribery -- term limits it is! Additionally, nobody in Congress should have shoe-in life seats (that's Senate + House for you uninformed voters).

Liberal politicians have better odds of dying of old age in office than losing an election.

2 terms Senate
6 terms House

House should be changed to a 4 year terms

If Harry and Nancy limited out long ago, the corruption power grab wouldn't have existed.



[Edited by: e_jeepin at 2/6/2013 11:39:53 AM EST]
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theTower
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Message Posted: Feb 5, 2013 8:41:36 PM

Term limits are the only way to avoid someone serving for life.
The government was always meant to have new people with fresh ideas about how to govern our great nation.
Term limits should be expanded to all branches with the exception of the SCOTUS.
These career old geezers need to go.
I suppose its possible The Founders couldn't foresee the need for limits and didn't expect the gerrymandering that goes on with redistricting and so forth. And all of the corruption.
Governing was supposed to be an honor to serve the people. Seems now its twisted and reversed.
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Feb 5, 2013 8:28:04 PM

AC, at the time, I would have voted for Reagan a third time. I did not vote for GWB either time. I do think he should have had the chance to run a third time. As I believe all presidents should have that opportunity. We the people should make that decision if they are worthy of a third term.

[Edited by: jayrad1957 at 2/5/2013 8:29:12 PM EST]
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Lakepirate13
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Message Posted: Feb 5, 2013 8:17:16 PM

Franklin D. Roosevelt had 4 terms in office
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Feb 5, 2013 10:20:02 AM

Jayrad said: "AC, agreed. Time to repeal the 22nd Amendment. "

--OK, but answer me honestly - would you have been so during Reagan's second term? What about during Bush 2's second term?
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“””Johnny---- Dont tell the cons that.... they want to believe that Obama is positioning himself to be president for life or some other garbage. The actions of one congressman does not reflect the will of all of the democrats.”””

I hate to break it to you but I tend to lean a little more right than the typical Conservative. I tend to lean more towards the Tea-Party ideals. But you are correct the actions of one congressman are nothing to get wound up about. If I want to complain about Obama I have plenty of things that are real to worry about, the economy, immigration, the gifted weapons to Egypt and many others, not this left field garbage. No pun intended.
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michaelphoenix2
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 8:33:00 PM

Johnny---- Dont tell the cons that.... they want to believe that Obama is positioning himself to be president for life or some other garbage. The actions of one congressman does not reflect the will of all of the democrats.
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johnnyg1200
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 8:16:41 PM

The 22nd amendment will not be overturned any more than the 2nd will. You will never get either one through congress much less past the states.
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KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Feb 4, 2013 4:03:54 PM

"Funny watching some here. Their [...] is a combination of laughable and depressing. Go ahead, believe what you want."

The above very concisely summarizes the fundamental conflict between the Right and Left in the USA today. The Right seems to relentlessly try to convince the rest of the nation of the righteousness of their views, while the Left tends to find such views too comical for serious discussion.

So, enjoy the good laughs -- for they seem to have an endless supply of material.

Remember the time they got "the Decider" installed in the White House?
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2013 10:02:08 AM

Funny watching some here. Their refusal to learn the Constitutional definition is a combination of laughable and depressing. Go ahead, believe what you want. It won't change the legal definition of treason.
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americanmade1
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2013 1:31:03 AM

Hell yeah!!!!!!!
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RAB2010
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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2013 10:00:06 PM

I support the impeachment for treason. When a sitting President engages his Secretary of State and Attorney General to enter into collusion with a foreign head of state, such as former Mexican President Vincente Fox, to undermine and subvert the Constitution of the United States, it is treason. It is treason because it is a direct attack on the foundations of the country, with the ultimate goal to overthrow the government.
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RAB2010
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Message Posted: Jan 13, 2013 9:52:31 PM

Just how long are Americans supposed to put up with this garbage? It's time to kick on the bilge pumps, man up the militia, and right this ship!
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:14:26 AM

" I think if the term limit was removed, it should not apply to that term which it is signed."

Bell,agreed. Read the 22nd Amendment. It did not apply to Truman.

I am surprised about how many here left and right agree the 22nd should be repealed. Term limits should be a function of "we the people".
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:11:47 AM

"Actually it is time to impeach for treason."

goldseeker, based on what? You made the statement, you need to defend it. If you can.

[Edited by: jayrad1957 at 1/12/2013 11:12:12 AM EST]
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 11:10:41 AM

"But again, Reagan felt that the American people should have been allowed to elect anyone they wanted as many times as they wanted."

AC, agreed. Time to repeal the 22nd Amendment.
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Bell30012
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 10:54:10 AM

This may surprise some but I'm against term limits in all cases and that includes the Executive Branch. I've seen many cases over the years where an effective state governor was term limited out of seeking another term. The same could easily happen with Presidents.

However, on the flip side of that... I think if the term limit was removed, it should not apply to that term which it is signed. Just as when the President's pay is increased... It takes effect in the next term. Many will think that I'm saying I don't want Obama to have a third term, which I don't but that isn't the reason.

Every time you bring in a new administration, every agency has to start over. The legislators have to learn to figure out how to make this work all over again.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 10:30:14 AM

Yes, FDR got his 4th term, but as sgm correctly points out, he died pretty soon into it. And it is true that the Republicans sponsored the amendment limiting presidential terms of office to two. Remember the history behind this - George Washington only took two terms, though he could have had more. After that it was considered polite tradition to only go 8 years. Democrats chose to break that tradition. Fair enough. Later, Ronald Reagan felt that he could have done more for the country with a 3rd term, but also felt that the law was the law. AFTER HIS TERM WAS OVER he started to campaign for repeal of the 22nd amendment. And no, Republicans weren't "searching for a way" to get Ronnie re-elected. That was already a foregone conclusion that he couldn't be. But again, Reagan felt that the American people should have been allowed to elect anyone they wanted as many times as they wanted.
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 8:05:32 AM

"Treason is actually a very serious charge."

It is. It's also quite well-defined in the Constitution. Some folks just like to play fast and loose with definitions when it suits.
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Bell30012
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 7:38:34 AM

Treason is actually a very serious charge. I believe that both parties are doing what they believe is best for the country. They just have different ideas about what that is.
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 6:39:18 AM

Actually it is time to impeach for treason.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 6:35:17 AM

"I guess using capitals to make a point means I"M YELLING...LOL"

That's what it conveys.
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americanmade1
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 11:41:08 PM

I guess using capitals to make a point means I"M YELLING...LOL
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Bell30012
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 3:11:42 PM

The only thing the term limit will do is remove one qualified candidate from the ballot. It will give us one less choice because some are afraid that we won't make the right decision or at least the decision that they want us to make. Right now we have the option to re-elect them or to select someone else.

You say that they have other legislative experience. Sometimes but not always, it isn't a prerequisite.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 1:48:29 PM

"is it necessary to always yell when trying to make a point?"

Must be awfully noisy at home.



[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 1/11/2013 1:49:32 PM EST]
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 12:09:34 PM

americanmade, is it necessary to always yell when trying to make a point?

btw, the Constitution was changed when the 22nd Amendment was added.

[Edited by: jayrad1957 at 1/11/2013 12:10:46 PM EST]
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americanmade1
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 11:50:52 AM

ONLY 2 TERMS and NOT trying to CHANGE the CONSTITUTION...
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 10:15:05 AM

I as well don't "remember" that FDR was elected to a 4th term. I read about. Once again, "we the people" decided FDR was worthy of a 4th term. Should be that way today. What was your point about "remembering" FDR's 4th term?
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 8:50:40 AM

Bell30012 - "It is a great system. If you actually have to have term limits for your Senators and Congressmen basically you are saying that the voters aren't allowed to have the representation that they want. Do we really want a country run by people with no experience at legislating? New crew every few years?"

How many people get elected to Congress for the first time that have no legislative experience?

Those that run for Congress are usually legislators from other bodies such as state or county. And then they are not alone learning all by themselves; they have others to help them get started and to guide them through the idiosyncrasies of the legislature.

The problem we have is entrenched legislators who think they know better than their constituents and that they are somewhat exempt from the laws meant to control the peasants.

What I propose does not eliminate experienced legislators; it just prevents them from serving back to back terms and becoming entrenched career politicians. I let them have unlimited terms as long as they are out of government for two years following the end of any term they have served any part of. They are then forced to go back and live among the people they represented. And when running for another term, how well they did in serving their constituents in a prior term will count a whole lot more.
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 8:29:22 AM

"Does anyone remember that FDR was even elected to a " FOURTH " term but died 83 days into it?"

I was aware of that, although I don't actually "remember" it because I wasn't yet born.
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americanmade1
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 12:01:05 AM

Does anyone remember that FDR was even elected to a " FOURTH " term but died 83 days into it?
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 7:46:45 PM

"Some people get hysterical over nothing".

BINGO! All the gun topics of late here is a prime example of that.
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 7:06:42 PM

>>Now they are going to try and rid the 22nd Ammenement<<

They?
One congressman is hardly a groundswell movement to change the 22 amendment. Some people get hysterical over nothing.

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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 5:54:33 PM

just think, what a nightmare a obama third term would be. two is bad enough.
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 5:24:01 PM

"Do we really want a country run by people with no experience at legislating? New crew every few years?"

I don't, nor do I prefer to use the services of an attorney, physician, roofer, plumber or auto mechanic, etc. who is just dabbling or a rookie in their present field of activity. Give me career politicians any day over someone who is merely auditioning for their true goal of becoming a lobbyist or media personality.

Furthermore, politics today seems to be very much like professional sports. While the actual players are the ones in the spotlight, it's the team owners who continue to make the critical decisions year after year behind the scenes. It matters very little whose name is on the politician's desk when they're beholden to the same people or organizations for financing/running their election and re-election campaigns, regardless.
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 3:32:10 PM

Stuttering fingers. Sorry.

[Edited by: jayrad1957 at 1/9/2013 3:32:57 PM EST]
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 3:32:09 PM

Bell, last paragraph of your last post is spot on. I would imagine there is a steep learning curve for a freshman/woman rep. or senator. Good to mix old blood with new. Should be kept that way.
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 2:55:25 PM

All term limits accomplish is removing one choice from the ballot. The truth is that we can get rid of anyone of them that we want by simply voting them out. What happened in November was that the people got the representation that they wanted. You may not have personally got the Congressman that you wanted but apparently a majority of the voters in your district did. Unless you live in that Congressman/woman's district you don't get to have a say in it.

It is a great system. If you actually have to have term limits for your Senators and Congressmen basically you are saying that the voters aren't allowed to have the representation that they want. Do we really want a country run by people with no experience at legislating? New crew every few years?
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 10:55:47 AM

"All I can say is FDR" has been dead since 1945. To repeal the 22nd Amendment it will take a 3/4 majority vote. Good luck with that.

Rnorm, Bingo to your "Bingo".

Bell, Blackg thinks he is a history expert so Good Luck. He believes Bull Run was the first battle of the Civil War.
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 10:27:52 AM

YDRAIG: "The theory is that it keeps idiots from staying in office forever. But the other side of that coin is that effective people get fired through no cause of their own. The correct way is to fire the incompetents at election time, and keep the effective ones."

This is the correct way we should operate as a Nation however our system has been corrupted by bribery of voters. A Senator gets re-elected for bringing Federal funding for bridges to nowhere -- Obama hands out phones and free healthcare.

Sprinkle candy along the parade route and the kiddies scramble out to collect -- "thank you thank you! we love you!"

Obamacare wasnt rammed down our throats because it was an urgent issue -- Democrats needed to create a new addiction to cement future re-elections!

"vote for us or they will take this away from you!"

Sick thing -- it worked!
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 6:47:16 AM

YDraigGoch said: "The correct way is to fire the incompetents at election time, and keep the effective ones."

That would be ideal, but last November's election results prove that things don't always work according to theory.
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 5:31:34 AM

Jayrad hit it right on the head. It doesn't have anything to do with Obama's color. This same person puts forth this same bill every session and of course, it goes no where.

Blackgum, if you do a little research you will find that George Washington wasn't our first President. You will also find out that Barrack Obama wasn't the first black President. John Hanson was. Prior to Washington each man could serve only one year in a three year period but no limit on number of terms. There were eight men who served in this position.
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 8:34:59 PM

I would repeal the 22nd amendment; I would introduce another amendment to replace it. My amendment would allow unlimited terms but there would have to be a four year separation between terms; no back to back terms. While allowing unlimited terms, most would not even get a second term unless there were super good with the previous one.
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 8:23:39 PM

I'm sort of wary about term limits in the first place.

The theory is that it keeps idiots from staying in office forever. But the other side of that coin is that effective people get fired through no cause of their own. The correct way is to fire the incompetents at election time, and keep the effective ones.

Would you work for a company that tells you that you can only work there for six years? Or would you like a career at a company that rewards your accomplishments?

It really is up to us to handle this. Term limits just makes it easy for the lazy not to vote, and the minority to say "Thank God!".

Am I wrong?
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 2:36:46 PM

Why are the dems trying to rid the 22nd amendment now? because o-Blame-o is in the white House?

there not but a republican sure is. Many want to blame the democrat run congress during some of these years for many things. Can we get a hoorah for them for NOT letting this pass.
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