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YDraigGoch

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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 7:52:54 PM

Ban slingshots, bb guns, bows and arrows. They later backed off the really silly stuff, but still, this amounts to knee jerk, neck whiplash, tennis elbow and hip displacement all in one shot.

Maybe I shouldn't have said "shot". That might trigger yet another terrified over-reaction.

This is what happens when people get scared beyond reason.
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ldheinz
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Message Posted: Jan 24, 2013 12:16:28 PM

gocatgo - " As for guns, just because 1.4 million were stolen in burglaries between 1994-2010 by criminals is no reason to be alarmed. "

Exactly. It is pointless to outlaw guns because outlaws don't obey laws. The solution is to make use of guns in a crime self-correcting. The more people that have guns, the more likely a criminal is to die of a gunshot during the commission of a crime, thus making society safer.
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greentre
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Message Posted: Jan 24, 2013 11:39:31 AM

WOW, 1.4 million in 16 years or 87,500 per year out of 2-300 million guns. And commited by CRIMINALS! How dare they! Don't they know that is against the law!!

Yet in one year 2009, there were an estimated 2,199,125 burglaries!

Which, by the way is a decrease of 1.3 percent when compared with 2008 data. (FBI data)

Of course with 2.3 million criminals behind bars, more than any other nation, according to data maintained by the International Center for Prison Studies at King’s College London and the revolving door policy of the judicial system; I am alarmed! At the number of criminals we have! No wonder we need guns to protect ourselves!!
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Jan 24, 2013 10:39:50 AM

We were all warned as children that a sling shot could put someone's eye out. Our parents weren't spreading bs were they? As for guns, just because 1.4 million were stolen in burglaries between 1994-2010 by criminals is no reason to be alarmed.
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greentre
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Message Posted: Jan 23, 2013 9:25:28 PM

YD,

To put it words that many out here in media land will understand:

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." Kay

The media leads the 'people' now.
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YDraigGoch
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Message Posted: Jan 23, 2013 8:26:35 PM

More paranoid, frightened people on “gun” control. More senseless pain to innocent children

Anti- gay people are often called “homophobic”. So, are anti-gun people “gunophobic”?

There does seem to be a connection between the two groups

Both parties seem to be mentally unstable. Both are hysterical, raging fanatics. Both are hurting innocent people, and neither one cares. Both are so sure they are right that they will do anything in their power to enforce their beliefs through useless and hurtful laws.

And both use twisted logic to support their beliefs (aka OPINIONS).

It seems strange that they are usually on opposite sides.
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YDraigGoch
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Message Posted: Jan 22, 2013 8:40:41 PM

This one REALLY takes the cake.

Talk about a bunch of bubble heads

"Standing at the bus stop, a five year old said she had a bubble gun, and talked about "shooting "it.

Ten days suspension, psychiatric evaluation, and public ridicule.

This is the typical pathetic knee jerk reaction to even the WORD shooting. Or the word gun.

Ignorant people with an agenda can be more dangerous that some lunatics with a gun.
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greentre
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 12:37:59 PM

Here in Florida he'd be asked "Done reloading yet?"
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YDraigGoch
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 11:52:36 AM

Location, Location, Location!!

In the news this week, a Southern California man was put under 72-hour psychiatric observation
when it was found he owned 100 guns and had (by rough estimate) 1 million rounds of ammunition
stored in his home. The house also has a secret escape tunnel.

The television reporter said: "Wow! He has about a million machine gun bullets!", and the headline referred to it as a "massive weapons cache".

By California standards someone owning even 100,000 rounds would be called "mentally unstable".

If he lived elsewhere, such as Arizona , he'd be called "an avid gun collector."

In Oklahoma, he'd be called "a novice gun collector".

In Utah, he'd be called "moderately well prepared", but they'd probably reserve judgment until they made sure that he had a corresponding quantity of stored food.

In Montana, he'd be called "the neighborhood 'Go-To' guy".

In Idaho, he'd be called "a likely gubernatorial candidate".

In Wyoming, he'd be called "an eligible bachelor".

and... In Texas , he'd be called "a Hunting Buddy"............It's all in your perspective.
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greentre
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 11:49:16 AM

It would be nice if he would walk out of the room and keep going.
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Daurel
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 11:36:02 AM

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7373282n

That was easy CBS was the one that reported on it.
By the By remove foot from mouth.
And there are more of his temper tantrums threats and whining.

[Edited by: Daurel at 1/10/2013 11:37:59 AM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 11:21:10 PM

Yeah Jay - Marty says here - "Diversionary tactic, Jay." to play nice.

But dont worry we have the help of "good ol Joe" - "Biden talked also about taking responsible action. "As the president said, if your actions result in only saving one life, they're worth taking. But I'm convinced we can affect the well-being of millions of Americans and take thousands of people out of harm's way if we act responsibly."

Well if thats the new standard we can come up with lots of things to do that will result in saving only one life or more. How about we look at waht actions result in saving the most lives at the least cost in dollars, damage to the economy and minor things like restrictions on freedom.
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 10:26:26 PM

"It has been documented more than once you "Dear Leader" has stormed out of the room when things were not going his way."

Proof please. When you resort to name calling, your argument is pointless.
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Daurel
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 10:23:03 PM

Marty
It has been documented more than once you "Dear Leader" has stormed out of the room when things were not going his way.
Just saw and looked it up The President CAN NOT make law by executive order.
He can try but it is not enforceable if the money is not there.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 10:20:50 PM

Interesting read...and a true story that goes along with YD's other links about Britain.

Same story....but different source.
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 10:11:52 PM

Fly, I never said it wasn't a war. The United States said so. It was never a declared war.

Same could be said about those who died needlessly in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Edited by: jayrad1957 at 1/9/2013 10:13:03 PM EST]
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greentre
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 9:59:25 PM

Hey YD,

Here's one for those that can't read and/or love P. Morgan.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 9:51:19 PM

Diversionary tactic, Jay.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 9:45:54 PM

Wasnt a real war huh - sure coulda fooled the 50,000 who died there and the rest who fought there.

You know those who John Kerry said were war criminals....

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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 9:31:37 PM

"assisting its enemies in war".

I disagreed with what she did. It was wrong. However, Vietnam was not a declared war. Therefore she could not have committed treason. Like it or not, there is a reason why the definition of treason is very narrow. It should be kept that way.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 9:24:07 PM

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. --Article 3 Section 3, U. S. Constitution

[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 1/9/2013 9:24:45 PM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 9:22:38 PM

Treason
treason n the offense of attempting to overthrow the government of one's country or of assisting its enemies in war

Ask Jane Fonda - she can assist you in understanding the concept.

But this may also help
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I cant cut and paste but try reading pp 331-333
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 6:55:56 PM

"When does TREASON start to kick in"?

Amazing how the right claims to be so well versed on the Constitution have no idea what it says. The above statement is proof of that. Try reading the Constitutional definition of treason before making statements like the above.
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YDraigGoch
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 6:46:27 PM

I mreally get tired of the old "Britain has gun control and it works" line.

Of course, I guess it depends on your idea of what works.

Is this what you want?

Really? Are you absolutely sure?

Adding insult to injury.

Even their government admits this is a problem

Here is Britain’s explanation for all their violent crime.

A large part of the British Health Care system is taken up with repairing damaged people who are victims of violent criminals. The situation is compounded by the elderly being the most favored targets. Old bones break more easily, and take longer to heal.

According to twenty five years of research by Professor Emeritus Gay Kleck and his students, the main reason violent crime is not as high in America is simply the fear of being shot by the victim. Kleck’s studies show that the death rate from violent crime would more than double if guns were not so prevalent. His studies also show that over 80% of suicides would happen even if there were no guns.

92% of incarcerated criminals admitted that they would not break into an occupied house for fear of being shot. 16% were afraid of being caught by the police.

This is not knee jerk reaction fed by an exploitive press. This is not the frenzy of scared people who believe inert metal objects are possessed by the devil. This is not the meandering ramblings of fanatical true believers. These are facts, back by years of hard work and scientific methods.

How odd that people who usually support science can be deluded by non scientific hysteria.

Guns do not cause violence. Violence causes guns.

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greentre
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 6:24:00 PM

Daurel,
"BOTH Left and Right are now talking civil war if they do not get there way and YOUR DEAR LEADER is doing NOTHING"

If an armed conflict begins, King Obama can call in the Blue Hats, aka UN, to quell the 'uprising' and insure his place by cancelling the Constitution and enacting martial law.

Not saying this would happen, but all scenarios must be brought to light. It's the only way to scare the roaches.
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 6:15:57 PM

MiddletownMarty said: "Correlation doesn't imply causality."

Omigod! Weren't you inferring the exact opposite to that in THIS thread???
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 6:07:39 PM

I'm sure it's not.



"The town of Virgin has a ordinance that fosters gun ownership also. Oh for your information the crime rate there is really low too"

Correlation doesn't imply causality.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 6:05:59 PM

Marty I really hate to burst your bubble (no not really but it sounds almost nice if one says that) but this is not the first town in Utah that has an ordinance like that.

The town of Virgin has a ordinance that fosters gun ownership also. Oh for your information the crime rate there is really low too.
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 6:01:04 PM

Obozo and Biden need to outlaw these deadly assault weapons, or people could die!

[Edited by: jeskibuff at 1/9/2013 6:02:02 PM EST]
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 5:57:42 PM

MiddletownMarty said: "Utah Town Ordinance Calls for Guns in Every Home, Every Classroom"

Seems to have worked well in Kennesaw, Georgia!
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 4:38:21 PM

Utah Town Ordinance Calls for Guns in Every Home, Every Classroom


A small town in Utah is responding to the recent mass shooting of 20 children in Connecticut by pushing through a resolution that calls for every home to have a gun, and the town wants to provide free concealed carry training for all elementary school teachers.

"The first recommendation was that we require, or we recommend, every household have a gun and be properly trained to use it," Spring City Councilman Neil Sorensen, who authored the resolution, told KSL on Monday.

But some residents -- including the Sanpete County sheriff -- were a little uncomfortable with requiring all residents to be armed so Sorensen agreed to dial back the resolution.


And you say =I'm= paranoid? ROTFL
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 4:30:52 PM

The "I know you are but what am I" defense is commonly used by elementary school youngsters. Your use of it gives more credence to my position.

Note: Norm hasn't taken part in this conversation, so why are you bringing up his name?



[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 1/9/2013 4:32:37 PM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 4:26:18 PM

"with force of evidence and clear thinking behind it." Let us know when your gonna start ok.

"Rudeness is a poor substitute for evidence to support your position. It's also your trademark."

Well I tried to trademake it but the copy right office curtly informen me that you and Normy had beat me to the punch a lont time ago. ;-)

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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 3:18:19 PM

"Marty You need to look at more sights than this one BOTH Left and Right are now talking civil war if they do not get there way and YOUR DEAR LEADER is doing NOTHING and I repeat NOTHING to calm the rhetoric in fact is fanning the flames."

Who says I looked only at this one site? And talk about civil war certainly sounds like rage, paranoia, and phobia all rolled into one. You aren't hearing anything like that from me.

As I indicated earlier, I have no Dear Leader but Christ.

You expect =President Obama= to calm the rhetoric? Seriously?? Have those espousing guns-for-everyone no control over their =own= actions, speech, or rhetoric?




"Oh and the latest, if cry baby Obama doesn't get his way according to Biden he will issue executive orders AGAINST the constitution? When does TREASON start to kick in?"

That you have a need to call the President names indicates the shallowness of your argument. How do you know the executive order violates the constitution without having read the order? Treason is well-defined in the Constitution; you should study up on what it says.








[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 1/9/2013 3:22:39 PM EST]
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Daurel
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 2:36:46 PM

Marty You need to look at more sights than this one BOTH Left and Right are now talking civil war if they do not get there way and YOUR DEAR LEADER is doing NOTHING and I repeat NOTHING to calm the rhetoric in fact is fanning the flames.
Oh and the latest, if cry baby Obama doesn't get his way according to Biden he will issue executive orders AGAINST the constitution? When does TREASON start to kick in?

[Edited by: Daurel at 1/9/2013 2:40:15 PM EST]
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 2:21:22 PM

"Well Marty we had a bunch of people weilding boxcutters who killed thousands almost simutaneously didnt we."

Interesting yet phony twist on history.



"Are you leading the charge here on gas buddy or not?"

I'm not leading any charge. I'm just stating my position with force of evidence and clear thinking behind it. You should try it sometime.



"Someday your going to have to just take responsibility for your comments"

I stand behind my comments. What more are you asking?



"Just a rude observation now mind ya."

Rudeness is a poor substitute for evidence to support your position. It's also your trademark.



"Marty has neither the clout nor the ability to do anything to the Constitution just like now the Senator that has introduced the bill to do away with the 22nd amendment so his "Dear Leader" can become the New Dictator of the Communist States Of America."

I have as much clout as anyone else with free speech, and I have no Dear Leader but Christ.




"Neither will happen and both attempt's could result in a civil war."

A civil war started by someone who has no clout. Do you even read what you typed before hitting "Post Meeeage?"


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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 1:11:36 PM

Chicago’s “Godfather” Goes after Guns
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>>>Hizzoner began by begging the Illinois General Assembly to move swiftly to ban all so-called “assault weapons.” Speaking at a recent graduation ceremony for Chicago Police Officers Emanuel opined, “it is time to have that vote” in Springfield and in Washington, DC. Democrat lawmakers in Springfield quickly fell in line. As reported by the NRA, legislation proposed last week would impose “sweeping semi-automatic and magazine bans,” in addition to “requiring registration of firearms and magazines, and crippling shooting ranges through onerous restrictions.”

Fortunately, for Chicago’s beleaguered citizens, Democrats failed to muster the votes in either the state House or Senate, and the Emanuel-supported legislation died -- for now.

The better news out of Illinois, however, is that the federal Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit recently issued an opinion authored by well-known judge Richard Posner, striking down as unconstitutional the state’s draconian ban on private carry of firearms.

Posner’s well-researched, logic-based Seventh Circuit opinion noted that, “[a] blanket prohibition on carrying [a] gun in public prevents a person from defending himself anywhere except inside his home.” The jurist went on to scold the Illinois legislature for preventing citizens from being able to defend themselves on the mean streets of cities like Chicago, in the absence of an overriding justification which he concluded clearly was not present as a basis for the existing ban.

Preventing law-abiding citizens from possessing firearms to protect themselves from criminals as roam the streets of Chicago may satisfy a political agenda such as Emanuel’s. In reality, however, such measures draw attention away from the real causes of violent criminal activity; at the same time blunting the process of finding solutions to those problems -- gang activity, drug usage, mental health issues, and culture-fueled violence.

As Posner aptly stated, laws are not meant to be psychological safety blankets for politicians. If government is to limit a constitutionally-protected right in the name of public safety, overriding empirical -- not hypothetical -- evidence must be shown to justify that loss of liberty. Chicago’s violent crime speaks volumes to the ineffectiveness of gun control. As such, gun legislation that reduces the right to keep and bear arms is nothing more than a red herring.

At best, overzealous gun control adds unnecessary burdens to purchasing and owning firearms for law-abiding citizens. At its worst, as we see clearly in Chicago, gun control reduces law-abiding citizens to cold crime statistics. Hopefully Posner’s decision, which he stayed for 180 days, will stand and override the shibboleth of gun control that is the Holy Grail of liberal politicians from Chicago to New York and from Washington, DC to San Francisco.<<<

More insanity from the Proggies.

Next thing you know someone will tell them that some homeless people die from the cold in the winter - so they will demand a ban on winter in Chicago.
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Daurel
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 11:41:30 AM

YDraigGoch
I am actually startled both you and I agree on these topic's you have started. Good Show!!!!
flyboyUT
Marty has neither the clout nor the ability to do anything to the Constitution just like now the Senator that has introduced the bill to do away with the 22nd amendment so his "Dear Leader" can become the New Dictator of the Communist States Of America. Neither will happen and both attempt's could result in a civil war.
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 11:01:39 AM

Well Marty we had a bunch of people weilding boxcutters who killed thousands almost simutaneously didnt we. We had a person or more who used a truck load of fertilizer to kill a lot more than 26 fairly fast.

Once more the question is directed at you - what is your concern people dying or objects you personally dont like.

As far as your campaign to amend the constitution. Are you leading the charge here on gas buddy or not? Someday your going to have to just take responsibility for your comments - or maybe you and your proggie/lib buddies can just keep on throwing stink bombs and run away. Like other childish behavior you folks have engaged in.

The more I play here the more it seems the primary difference between rascally nasty cons and prog/libs is the raspy ones are willing to accept responsibility for what they say and do while the prog/libs just wnat to either 'do what feels good' and dont care about consequences or they just want to throw stink bombs and run away from what they say. Just a rude observation now mind ya.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 7:19:42 AM

"But minor little thing keep popping up - like the number of peopel killed each year with carpenters tools (hammers) vs rifles."

Tell me the last time 26 people were killed simultaneously by one individual wielding a carpenters hammer, and then I'll grant you the equivalence. Good grief... is that the best you have?



"Oh really then why do you keep on promoting it if its not 'your campaign'?"

I'm just a voice crying in the wilderness. I know it's annoying, but you don't have to read my posts or respond to them. And yet you feel compelled to.


"After all the balderdash you have posted about wanting to amend the Constitution to remove the peoples right to keep and bear arms there is no way you will not be held responsible for supporting what has become YOUR CAMPAIGN here."

Hold me responsible for supporting the repeal of the Second Amendment? Really? That tells me that the notion has more than just a little merit and that the gun nuts are beginning to wet their panties.
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 9:49:50 PM

"...or will you just keep acting like a know it all?"

I'm not acting."

Well that sure explains a lot. Case closed.

But minor little thing keep popping up - like the number of peopel killed each year with carpenters tools (hammers) vs rifles. Some one said more folks die from assault with carpenters tools than long guns.

I do believe the supposed first recorded assault weapon was a rock picked up from the ground. Marty just how far back do you wish to go on the assault weapon thing. Do you want to confine it to just firearms? Then why does Japan and other places 'control' edged weapons like boxcutters and anchient edged assault weapons?

Then the fun one comes out - "It's not "my campaign,". Oh really then why do you keep on promoting it if its not 'your campaign'? Surely you dont think it was started by Charlton Heston do you? Do you think the members of the NRA are part of the campaign to remove the 2nd amendment from the Constitution as you keep saying you want to do.

After all the balderdash you have posted about wanting to amend the Constitution to remove the peoples right to keep and bear arms there is no way you will not be held responsible for supporting what has become YOUR CAMPAIGN here. At least have the intestional fortitude to stand behind your words.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 8:55:21 PM

Here's something else for you to chew on.

The Contradictions of the Kleck Study

Remember... open mind.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 8:38:53 PM

"To accept the idea that weapons cause crime and murder is to deny the fact that there are some disturbed and bad people out there."

I never claimed that weapons cause crime and murder, I claim that weapons make crime and murder easier to accomplish and on a greater scale. I'm not denying there are disturbed and bad people "out there." What I wish to deny is the means by which they can inflict carnage on a massive scale.



"You may decide to be a pacifist, but please allow those of us qualified to defend ourselves the right to do so."

You do have that right, for now. If that right ever disappears, it will be because the Constitution has been amended by the people using Constitutional means.



"You, sir, have absolutely no more right to leave my family defenceless than a Laughner has to attack them. That attitude simply makes you an accessory. An enabler."

I'm leaving nobody defenseless, and your addressing me on a personal level is as disturbing as your equating my position on a level equal to Laughner's slaughter is disgusting. Perhaps Piers Morgan should interview you next.



"But I am probably wasting my time trying to convince someone whose rage, paranoia, and phobias has disabled his ability to see or accept reason."

My "rage" consists of countering every point made by by gun enthusiasts with valid counterpoint.

Paranoia? I'm not someone who sees Laughner hiding in my neighborhood waiting to pounce rabidly on my family. I'm not someone who wants to arm every schoolteacher in the nation. I'm not someone who worries that his rights will be "taken away" overnight. Seriously, which of us is paranoid?

Phobias? I'm not someone who owns a gun for the purpose of defending against the "bad guys" and then worries about the "bad guys" knowing I have a gun. Good grief.



"Read the books published by Gary Kleck, Professor Emeritus at Florida Sate University. He started out believing just like you. But then years of research and scientific reason convinced him he was incorrect. He, unlike you, has an open mind."

There was a time when I believed the Second Amendment was a necessary thing. Then it became a necessary evil. Now it's an anachronism. I changed my position on bearing arms in the same manner Professor Kleck has, only from the opposite pole. My mind is open, but not so open that I will accept a notion just because someone disagrees with me, and I'm not one to back down because someone knows how to talk like a tough guy. Stick the tough talk in your ditty bag and challenge me on the merits of my ideas, or shut up.



"So the big question is, do YOU have the courage to learn something new, or will you just keep acting like a know it all?"

I'm not acting.



"Kleck's Twenty five years of research proves conclusively thet you are wrong. Can you handle that?"

Professor Kleck's research provides evidence to support his position. Proof is overstating the case.



[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 1/8/2013 8:45:43 PM EST]
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YDraigGoch
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 7:53:25 PM

Marty;

>>> There is no difference. They're all assault weapons.<<<

Not quite.

In the hands of a Loughner, it is an assault weapon.

In your hands, trying to stop a Laughner, it is a defense weapon.

As Bruce Lee put it : "If everyone practised nothing but self defense, then no one would need it"

To accept the idea that weapons cause crime and murder is to deny the fact that there are some disturbed and bad people out there.

You may decide to be a pacifist, but please allow those of us qualified to defend ourselves the right to do so.

You, sir, have absolutely no more right to leave my family defenceless than a Laughner has to attack them. That attitude simply makes you an accessory. An enabler.

But I am probably wasting my time trying to convince someone whose rage, paranoia, and phobias has disabled his ability to see or accept reason.

Read the books published by Gary Kleck, Professor Emeritus at Florida Sate University. He started out believing just like you. But then years of research and scientific reason convinced him he was incorrect. He, unlike you, has an open mind.

So the big question is, do YOU have the courage to learn something new, or will you just keep acting like a know it all? Kleck's Twenty five years of research proves conclusively thet you are wrong. Can you handle that?
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RAB2010
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 6:36:19 PM

Oh good grief, the word "guns" appears in the post. The thought police will not be far off. In fact, the sound of their goose-stepping black boots can be heard in the distance. Goch . . . are you still there? Did they come for you? Goch?
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 4:38:49 PM

I said I want to repeal the Second Amendment except for law enforcement and the military.


"HOw about letting us know what you mean by 'bear arms' and were you define the limits of what you think an assault weapon is."

I mean the same thing by 'bear arms' that the Second Amendment means by 'bear arms.' Get rid of the guns, and nobody has to quibble over silly definitions.



"Why do I keep on picking on you - well maybe it has to do with the idea your ideas are not logical and have no bounds."

That you dislike the idea doesn't mean it's illogical, and my idea does have bounds. Read it again.



"But have you given any thoght as to what the effects will be of your campaign - if it succeeds or if it just makes lots of folks wonder if it may cause more restrictions on our rights?"

It's not "my campaign," and I don't give a hang what folks may wonder because of the idea.






[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 1/8/2013 4:41:33 PM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 4:18:06 PM

Crystal clear to who?

You said you wish to remove the 2nd amendment - that says we have the right to keep and bear arms. You have said (I believe) you are against of dont think anyone should own assault weapons.

HOw about letting us know what you mean by 'bear arms' and were you define the limits of what you think an assault weapon is.

Why do I keep on picking on you - well maybe it has to do with the idea your ideas are not logical and have no bounds. Like someone saying they want to raise taxes and when asked how much on who the only answer is MORE on the RICH.

But have you given any thoght as to what the effects will be of your campaign - if it succeeds or if it just makes lots of folks wonder if it may cause more restrictions on our rights?
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 3:16:35 PM

I've made my position on the matter of guns crystal clear. There's no need to restate it.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 1:31:42 PM

So Marty if you believe all weapons are assault weapons and you wish to ban assault weapons - is there anything that you dont think should be banned?

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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 12:33:42 PM

That's easy. "Assault weapon" is a political term devised to include any firearm the politician wants banned.

Bur seriously, here's the wikipedia definition:
"Assault weapon refers to different types of firearms, and is a term that has differing meanings and usages.

In discussions about gun laws and gun politics in the United States, an assault weapon is most commonly defined as a semi-automatic firearm possessing certain features similar to those of military firearms. Semi-automatic firearms fire one bullet (round) each time the trigger is pulled; the spent cartridge case is ejected and another cartridge is loaded into the chamber, without the manual operation of a bolt handle, a lever, or a sliding handgrip. An assault weapon has a detachable magazine, in conjunction with one, two, or more other features such as a pistol grip, a folding stock, a flash suppressor, or a bayonet lug.[1] Most assault weapons are rifles, but some are pistols or shotguns. Other legislation defines the term more broadly to mean any semi-automatic firearm with a detachable magazine, which includes the majority of all firearms.[2] The exact definition of the term in this context is set differently by each of the various laws that limit or prohibit their manufacture, importation, sale, or possession. These laws include the now-expired Federal Assault Weapons Ban, as well as state and local laws. Whether or not assault weapons should be legally restricted more than other firearms, how they should be defined, and even whether or not the term "assault weapon" should be used at all, are questions subject to considerable debate."
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 6:50:37 AM

"Would somebody please tell me the difference between an assault weapon and another weapon is."

There is no difference. They're all assault weapons.
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