nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 11:12:07 AM
btc, "Christie recognizes the problems with the stubborn GOP. He is an old moderate really. Good Guy. Like Everette Dirkson."
What is wrong about being "stubborn" against wasteful pork in emergency bills?
Why should there have been millions of dollars in subsidies to Alaska fisherman in the emergency bill, were they affected by Sandy? What about the Smithsonian roof? That wasn't affected by the storm!
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btc1
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 9:02:26 AM
Christie recognizes the problems with the stubborn GOP. He is an old moderate really. Good Guy. Like Everette Dirkson.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 8:57:14 AM
"Editorial in the Wash. Post today supports the GOP position."
Now there's a surprise. Yawn.
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WES03
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 8:54:52 AM
Editorial in the Wash. Post today supports the GOP position.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 7:37:44 PM
Thank you on many levels EZExit. You are a gentleman in the true sense of the word.
MHDIT - Mommy He Did It Too. A defense used by some to excuse poor behavior.
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 7:32:12 PM
Fly: <<<"EZExit- do you think its possible you and others could choose to use more acceptable language? Yes we know you know lots of words that are designed to 'shock' others. Most of us know lots of such words but choose to not use them in polite company and in mixed company.I feel it would be better to astound others with the brilliance of your ideas and sound reasoning instead of decending to the schoolyard style of debate.">>>
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Hey Fly, I grew up in Chicago, and have lived in Phoenix since '82, and I have never run into an issue with the word I believe you have a problem with, as a matter of fact, I have always used and/or heard the word specifically chosen as a substitute for another word when in polite company. In any case, I read your reply and had to re-read what my response had been to elicit your response, I assure you that I did not consciously choose to use any language to "shock" anyone. I am actually a pretty quiet, easy going person.
There are other synonyms for that word I believe you found offense in, and I will make an effort to use one of those other words instead to vocalize my point(s) when posting on these forums.
I apologize for any discomfort I may have created for you, I'm good, I hope that you are too... :)
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Marty: <<<"Who says I don't? In this case, the ball was clearly in the House Republicans' court, unless you want to play the MHDIT card.">>>
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Not sure of your acronym for "MHDIT", and all other criticisms aside, I do fault the republicans for not striking the pork from the legislation and then voting for what would be left. I see both houses play these games all the time, albeit a lot more in the senate lately (passed house bills often go to Reid just to die a quiet death). I guess my point is that if you find the actions of the house in this regard unacceptable, I would expect that your reaction should and would be the same for the senate too.
[Edited by: EZExit at 1/5/2013 7:34:49 PM EST]
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Bell30012
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 4:24:22 PM
John Boehner did exactly as he should have done with that bill. I think he should have called the New York, New Jersey and Connecticut delegations to his office and explained his actions prior to adjourning but he was right to wait. Harry Reid pulled a parliamentarian move that worked for the Fiscal Cliff kick the can but John Boehner stopped it from working twice.
FEMA isn't out of money, just running short. Three days didn't make a difference.
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 1:32:46 PM
nstrd, where did I say there was no lard? Sandy relief should be the #1 priority. Little or no money for Sandy relief means little or no help and that sucks dirty canal water.
ther, a Christie/Christ ticket could garner enough moderate support from both parties to win an election.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 10:55:20 AM
"So when the house receives a piece of crap legislation, they should allow a vote and vote it down, why don't you hold the senate to the same standard, hmmm? :)"
Who says I don't? In this case, the ball was clearly in the House Republicans' court, unless you want to play the MHDIT card.
Note to the Manners Police... I didn't use the word "crap," I just quoted EZExit.
[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 1/5/2013 10:58:01 AM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 10:52:28 AM
EZExit- do you think its possible you and others could choose to use more acceptable language? Yes we know you know lots of words that are designed to 'shock' others. Most of us know lots of such words but choose to not use them in polite company and in mixed company.
I feel it would be better to astound others with the brilliance of your ideas and sound reasoning instead of decending to the schoolyard style of debate.
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EZExit
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 10:28:03 AM
Marty: "They could have allowed it to come up for a vote and voted it down.">>>
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So when the house receives a piece of crap legislation, they should allow a vote and vote it down, why don't you hold the senate to the same standard, hmmm? :)
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therder
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 10:01:10 AM
Btc1 >>With the recent medical issues of Hillary, the next candidate for the Democratic Party will be Chris Christie. His running mate may be Charlie Crist. Would that be a trip? Even if he runs for the Republican Party, I bet he gets a lot of Dem votes.
Chris Christie has proven himself to be the right kind of candidate.<<
An Independent slate of Christie/Crist would certainly upset the status quo. That is exactly what the country needs.
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AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 9:57:39 AM
Um Dragon you do realize the map you linked to only showed percentage of benefits per tax dollars raised...right? All that shows is that states with two "blue dots" have the highest number of people suckling off the government nipple and those with two "red dots" tend to be self-sufficient. Is that what you wanted to show?
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Bell30012
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 9:07:33 AM
If I was a liberal, I'd want as few mentions of Obama Promises as possible, too.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 6:39:49 AM
Hmm... Obama isn't mentioned once in the OP. The ODS is strong with this group.
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 6:33:35 AM
gocatgo, "The big question is whether Sandy relief is lard. Disaster help for victims of Sandy is not what I call lard. Had the bill included an extra billion or so in aid for Israel, cons might have a different take."
Would you call millions to Alaska fisherman lard? What about roof replacement foe the Smithsonian? Then there are the trees for Ohio! Did Ohio get hit by Sandy????
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Bell30012
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 9:10:15 PM
Making promises that he can't deliver isn't anything new for Obama... "I will cut the deficit by half before the end of my first term." - President Barrack H Obama on February 22, 2009 when his party had control of the House... and a Super Majority in the Senate.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:23:54 PM
RAB2010 - we have it on video that Obama on multiple occasions promised to cut through the red tape. We saw it on video today on Cavuto (Fox News) where he promised that to an individual who was damaged by Sandy. Obama was making another photo op when he made that promise to that individual.
Today on national TV that same individual called the President of the United States a liar.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 5:47:02 PM
Hurricane Sandy Timeline - FEMA
Here is an example of what some folks expect FEMA to do.
Aiman Youssef, who has been living in a tent since the storm hit, said he is worried about health risks. “The air quality in this town is very bad," he said. "We are sick. What can you do about it?”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/30/staten-island-residents-vent-frustration-at-fema-other-agencies-during-town/#ixzz2H39M9cp7
[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 1/4/2013 5:49:54 PM EST]
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mswiggy
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 5:41:38 PM
promise to cut F.E.M.A. red tape.--
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My opinion, a statement like this from ANY politician is a pipe dream. Cutting the red tape as with any gov't program is just that a pipe dream and probably considered says bad words by any one in politics.
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noseatbelt
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 4:19:42 PM
they could have allowed it to come up for a vote, and voted it down. Oh, you mean like reid, and the democrats, have done most of the bills the house has sent to the senate?
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RAB2010
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 11:32:45 AM
Mr. Obama did, according to some Sandy survivors, promise to cut F.E.M.A. red tape. This he has not done.
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Jan 3, 2013 10:43:29 AM
I wouldn't want the Big guy from Jersey on my case.
The big question is whether Sandy relief is lard. Disaster help for victims of Sandy is not what I call lard. Had the bill included an extra billion or so in aid for Israel, cons might have a different take.
nstrd, Graham not "right wing"? I would hardly call him a moderate.
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Cliffisher
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Message Posted: Jan 3, 2013 7:39:24 AM
"John Mc Cain is not "right wing", neither is Lindsey Graham, just to name two.'
You are kidding?
Right?
They sure don't fall into the independent or left wing groups.
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btc1
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Message Posted: Jan 3, 2013 7:31:19 AM
With the recent medical issues of Hillary, the next candidate for the Democratic Party will be Chris Christie. His running mate may be Charlie Crist. Would that be a trip? Even if he runs for the Republican Party, I bet he gets a lot of Dem votes.
Chris Christie has proven himself to be the right kind of candidate.
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Bell30012
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Message Posted: Jan 3, 2013 7:15:36 AM
One of the GOP's biggest problems is that they need to hire a really good PR firm. Everyone runs political ads during a campaign but no one runs them to inform the public afterward. The House Republicans need to come out on television and clearly explain all the pork in this bill. They could have a great PowerPoint slide that shows bullet points of each pork project. Play the commercial all over the USA not just in the NY, NJ and CT area. Tell the people there that they will pass a "pork free" bill within the week and have it over to the Senate.
This bill would be perfect to really demonstrate this issue. While most won't disagree that the Smithsonian may need a new roof, people need to ask what the heck it has to do with an emergency relief bill for Hurricane/Super Storm Sandy. A huge issue that we have is all this stuff buried in long bills that people pass without reading. This bill is 97 pages long. You can read it, in its entirety online.
Senate Bill - Disaster Assistance Supplemental
CBO Scoring of the Bill at $60.4 BILLION
[Edited by: Bell30012 at 1/3/2013 7:17:25 AM EST]
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Jan 3, 2013 7:09:58 AM
"The House was exactly right not taking up that Senate Bill for the Super Storm Sandy Relief."
They could have allowed it to come up for a vote and voted it down.
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nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Jan 3, 2013 2:13:27 AM
YDraigGoch, several on your list are NOT "Right Wing Republicans". Better check your list again.
John Mc Cain is not "right wing", neither is Lindsey Graham, just to name two.
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jeskibuff
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 11:33:59 PM
YDraigGoch said: "The cowards who did this are busy hiding behind the accusations that they KNOW are false."
Can you be more specific, or is it just too convenient to throw out cowardly accusations of your own?
To lard up a bill with pork and then ridicule someone for rejecting it because "a portion of the spending" may have helped some real victims of Sandy is just totally dishonest. The real criminals are the ones who loaded up the bill with pork, not the ones who blocked such wasteful spending!
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 10:32:11 PM
Do you like bills that are larded with extra spending?
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 10:31:14 PM
Ydraig - is it possible for youj to discuss a topic without the name calling?
But tell you what - it they cull out all the pork and send a clean bill back that just deals with Snady Relief - I bet it goes through.
But the Congress folks who decided that it just had too much pork were right. It was larded with spending that had nothing to do at all with Sandy stuff.
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Bell30012
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 10:03:31 PM
The House was exactly right not taking up that Senate Bill for the Super Storm Sandy Relief. Take a look at the bill. Someone filled the bill with pork. There are funds in there for Ohio, Alaska, DC, etc. Yes, they want to plant trees in Ohio, they want to put a new roof on the Smithsonian. The House will take this up on Friday with a bill not loaded with these pork projects. I'm confused did Sandy hit Alaska?
The Senate rammed this bill through dropping it on the House, then adjourned. The House was then in a pinch to either approve it allowing all these pork projects to be included or kill it by not voting on it. The bill is 97 pages long. You can read it. This bill is not to cover "Emergency" rebuilding but rather every little project that they could think to include.
The President of the United States has said that we are broke. He has said that we are so broke that we have to ask those that are successful to pay a little more because we are out of money. If this is true, then why would the Democrats put forward a bill filled with extra spending and call it a Super Storm Sandy Relief Bill?
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