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AC-302

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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 7:39:39 PM

Politics and business sure make strange bedfellows

Al Gore and his partner Joel Hyatt are apparently selling their backwater network to Al Jazeera. Tell us all what you think of that one. Al Jazeera is going to use this for better market penetration into the American media market.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 10:14:22 PM

A convoluted analogy, Kat.

But what I want to see is more objective journalism, even from AJ.
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Message Posted: Feb 20, 2013 12:56:20 PM

"AJ in the Arabic media also tends to trash America badly. Some here think that it is a disgrace."

I think that Fox News and much of "Talk Radio" is also a disgrace, yet they have the right to spew their tripe as the marketplace allows. I don't understand Arabic, so I have no first hand knowledge of what they broadcast to their audience.

If hypocrisy were illegal our for-profit prisons would be making even more money for their investors than they do now.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2013 10:41:50 AM

And we have free press here. Let's see what AJ does with Current. I also would like to see how the coverage plays out here in thei American version. But understand that AJ in the Arabic media also tends to trash America badly. Some here think that it is a disgrace. Not that the coverage is always good, nobody but Obama expects that (of himself in the media). But that the coverage of American by AJ and the Arabic media in general is often full of blatant falsehoods.

As to "Al" selling out to AJ being a deft move, well? Not sure. But again, it's not his business acumen we're talking about, it's his hipocrisy of NOT wanting to pay taxes, but chiding other people to "pay their fair share". And liberal such as Conan O'Brian and David Letterman got after him for that bit.
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Message Posted: Feb 19, 2013 1:16:45 AM

"part of the "beef" with Al Gore rushing to sell CurrentTV was that he did so before 1/1/13 in order to prevent from paying some additional taxes."

Sounds like an astute business move to me.

I don't really have a dog in the Israel/Palestinian struggle, but it seems like Israel gets a lot more than its share of favorable press in the media now. A chance to hear from the other side may offer valuable insight into what the issues are over there. I welcome the opportunity.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 12:57:07 PM

Gocat - you realize nst IS (or was at his last job) a union member, right?

Katmando - part of the "beef" with Al Gore rushing to sell CurrentTV was that he did so before 1/1/13 in order to prevent from paying some additional taxes. And this after he gave a number of speeches saying that the wealthy needed to pay their "fair share" in taxes. This move made Gore look like he was shirking his tax responsibility, after chiding others over the same.

In addition, it was thought that AJ didn't treat it's female employees right overseas, and that also kind of rubs many liberals (and conservatives for that matter) the wrong way. There are also some who feel that AJ's Arabic language coverage is blantantly unfair and one-sided, being biased towards the Palestinians and against Israel, Jews and America. Some on both the left and the right have questioned Gore's choice to sell to AJ based on what they feel is unfair and biased coverage.
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KatmanDo
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Message Posted: Feb 18, 2013 1:40:51 AM

"Al-Jazeera to buy Current TV"

Sounds like free enterprise in action. Go for it!
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Message Posted: Feb 17, 2013 1:55:52 PM

nstrd, "unions do not represent the workers", this from an anti union con, Lol. You can hardly have an unbiased opinion. "They can work somewhere else" because they have No say so on a non union job. It does not get any simpler than that.

Tesk, "the journalistic objectivity is questioned". The same can be said of cons looking at Msm or libs looking at Fox.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Feb 16, 2013 2:35:33 PM

Tes - I disagree. There are members of the uber-left who will "love" Al-Jazeera simply because it was "founded by Al Gore", and because they will "hammer" on Israel without merit.

gocatgo - well, if underarm odor floats your boat, OK.. Personally, I don't like girls that are quite that 'earthy', but if that's your taste, go for it with my compliments. But I agree, we should give "AJ" a fair shot. They can hang themselves, or boost themselves. However, I am skeptical.

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Message Posted: Feb 15, 2013 10:59:30 PM

The journalistic objectivity of Al-Jazeera is questioned in the article: After the Arab Spring: Al-Jazeera Losing Battle for Independence. Al-Jazeera will need to display objectivity to become successful in the United States.
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2013 1:21:19 PM

gocatgo, "Keep fighting against unions and workers will have less protection, it's that simple."

Unions do not represent the workers, they represent themselves. In fact they only "protect" workers that agree with them politically or keep their mouth shut if they don't.

How has that protection work for the Hostess employees? Not so well, huh?

The fact is that we have laws now to "protect" minorities so the union does not have that "job" anymore.

" Let's see if I have this right. You were against unions before you were for their protection of women but you are still against them."

Once again, you are wrong. I am "against them" because they are ethically inept and morally bankrupt. It's that simple.

And again, you are the one that said that if the women do not like the dress code, they can go work somewhere else. How does that adhere to the "union philosophy"?

[Edited by: nstrdnvstr at 1/15/2013 1:23:28 PM EST]
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Jan 15, 2013 11:25:12 AM

nstrd, "goes against unions" this should work quite well for you. Keep fighting against unions and workers will have less protection, it's that simple. Unions have opened the door for women and minorities in spite of your attitude against them. Let's see if I have this right. You were against unions before you were for their protection of women but you are still against them.

I prefer to give al-J a chance in America before I condemn them.
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2013 6:00:49 PM

RockCity said: "it seems more tv watchers prefer hate & political kook-aid than truth and real issues"

Okay, you get an A++ on self-analysis and introspection there. Tell us, when are you planning on going in for the "kook-aid" detox?
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2013 10:39:05 AM

gocatgo, "
nstrd, "anti union" says who? Still yet compared to your anti union stance, Lol?"

Your if they don't like it they can get another job statement goes against what unions believe (that is unless you disagree with the union, then they are all about you getting another job because they "don't like you").

From personal experience unions are ethically inept and morally bankrupt.
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2013 10:22:25 AM

Ac-, a beautiful well spoken woman with hair under her armpits can still get a date 7 days a week. If one of my girlfriends misses a couple of days shaving her armpits it does not slow me down and I have a feeling it doesn't slow down many other guys.

nstrd, "anti union" says who? Still yet compared to your anti union stance, Lol?

More than a few people on this topic are spending too much time trivializing and agonizing over things that have not happened. Hairy armpits makes my point quite well.
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Message Posted: Jan 14, 2013 4:49:30 AM

I don't blame al, it seems more tv watchers prefer hate & political kook-aid than truth and real issues, perhaps.
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 12:00:33 PM

gocatgo, "mud, the dress code will be set by management. If it gets to be more than most women can handle they can seek employment else where."

That is an anti-union attitude, isn't it?
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 1:41:11 AM

I agree with others here - Al Gore is WAY out of touch with real people.

gocatgo said: "mud, the dress code will be set by management. If it gets to be more than most women can handle they can seek employment else where."

-- Hmph.. most likely Pacifica News Network! The chicks who work there don't even shave their armpits, they're so "liberal" and "liberated".

[Edited by: AC-302 at 1/12/2013 1:41:53 AM EST]
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Message Posted: Jan 12, 2013 12:38:28 AM

"and now al gore who said Mitt Romney was out of touch with the Middle class because of Mitt's wealth
has surpassed Mitt in the net worth department - but but but that's ok, cuz it's all al's money,"

Not to mention the fact that Mitt Romney was running for President against Barack Obama, and Al Gore wasn't.
Also, if Mitt Romney was elected President, he would be the President, and Al Gore wouldn't.
So what is the point?
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Message Posted: Jan 11, 2013 5:23:41 AM

I did not say I was for rich snobs, if you form that opinion out of so little, you're part of the problem.

My point was to say, imagine if Romney had done this last year before the election, just imagine the press coverage on how bad Romney capitalism ideas would have been by the MSM and yet there is little difference in how either Gore or Romeny would have made the money from that sale - except for their political affiliation.

So now, does the MSM condone this type of getting rich, when they said how evil it was when Romney did it?

Seems pretty easy to see the hypocritical agenda of the MSM.
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 10:22:02 AM

Ac, I too don't know what aJ will broadcast. However if they go over the edge they will put themselves out of business. It is all up to the viewing public.

mud, the dress code will be set by management. If it gets to be more than most women can handle they can seek employment else where. My feeling is that aJ will want to blend in not stand out like a sore thumb.

Jd, so you were for rich snobs before you were against them, I can believe that.

If only Big Al the inventor of the internet would have sold Current tv to fox this discussion would be so different. Money talks and the rest whine or as Janis Joplin put it "Cry, Baby Cry".
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 9:48:31 AM

and now al gore who said Mitt Romney was out of touch with the Middle class because of Mitt's wealth
has surpassed Mitt in the net worth department - but but but that's ok, cuz it's all al's money, and besides, al gore invented the internet and now he feels he's finally getting his just due, right?

There he is standing pointing fingers saying look at that sinner, and don't look at me. I guess Tipper was right all along to divorce him. I have absolutely no respect for the person.
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 6:22:55 PM

IT looks like the staff at current T.V. aren’t too happy with their new masters, or the old one for that matter.

“We all know now that Al Gore is nothing but a bulls---ter,” said one staffer bluntly. “Al was always lecturing us about green. He kept his word about green all right—as in cold, hard cash!”
Current TV staffers rip Al Gore for sale to Al Jazeera
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 4:29:45 PM

Guess there would be one advantage though for the female on air personalities as a result of a new dress code, as there would no longer be a need for a weight clause in their contracts since nobody watching would be able to tell if they had gained a few pounds (or few dozen).


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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 3:45:11 PM

>>Wonder when the new dress code for all those hip and liberated women at Current TV will come out?<<

The new dress code

;-)

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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 1:30:33 PM

Wonder when the new dress code for all those hip and liberated women at Current TV will come out? I also suspect that if you are a female in management at that network your career path just took a turn for the worse.


mudtoe


[Edited by: mudtoe at 1/8/2013 1:33:51 PM EST]
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 1:28:21 PM

Interesting that news article. They wouldn't discuss severance packages for those who didn't want to stay on.
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 1:14:19 PM

Looks like the environmental wackos at Current TV are getting their first taste of how well their mentor and inspiration, slick Al, has taken care of them. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch :) :) :)


Current TV Network employees meet their new masters via teleconference



mudtoe



[Edited by: mudtoe at 1/8/2013 1:17:05 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 11:25:33 AM

The lesson to be learned here is no surprise when it comes to libs

When they say it isn't about the money -- it's about the money! AJ may think they are clever by buying access via woththless CurrenTV and money grubber AlGore. However, what happens if more cable companies walk away from CurrentTV? It becomes worthless!

If so, AlGore sold AJ a bag of crap smiling -- and he will have a little personal Jihad against him.

Let him enjoy that dilemma while he counts his money in the basement vault
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 4:21:34 PM

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[Edited by: EZExit at 1/6/2013 4:25:18 PM EST]
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 11:01:33 AM

By the way, wasn't AJ located in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, before it was in Doha, Qatar? I had thought they had moved, as it was considered TOO liberal for Saudi Arabia?
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 5:22:13 PM

@ cbuck80 ---- "and half the country wanted this guy in the WH! "

More than half actually. he did win the popular vote :)
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 1:45:14 PM

This CNN article is interesting: Why Has Al Jezerra Set It's Sights On The U.S.? Some of the article reads as follows: "But it's peanuts when one remembers that the man behind the network, the Emir of Qatar, Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani, is sitting on one of the world's fastest-growing economies and the world's third largest gas reserves. From his point of view, rehabilitating Al Jazeera's image in America was never going to come cheaply and at least now Al Jazeera can access more of the highly lucrative U.S. cable TV market. But this was never about the money. Qatar's priority is drumming up international support in case of another major crisis in the Gulf region that threatens its wealth and independence, like for example a war with Iran or an imploding Saudi Arabia. Having studied at Britain's Sandhurst Military College and spent years as Qatar's minister of defense the emir knows that military defense of his tiny country is impossible. The U.S. is Qatar's ultimate security guarantee and any chance to buy trust with the American people represents an excellent opportunity to secure his country's future further."
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 12:40:34 PM

Well, I wouldn't like to think that, but I would like to think that AJ would be moderate voice both in America and in the world. It may very well be a pipe dream, and no, I'm not wearing rose-tinted glasses. (prefer Ray-Ban gray, actually)
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 6:16:57 PM

AC-302 said: "I hope that they will use their network to promote understanding, not to spew propaganda."

Now THERE'S some wishful thinking!

Your middle name's not "Pollyanna", is it? ;)
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 1:24:35 PM

Time Warner Cable Drops Current TV Upon Sale To Al Jazeera
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 1:23:11 PM

Apparently Al Gore likes Al-Jazeera more than the U.S. based companies that showed interest in Current T.V.

Blaze Media approached the struggling cable news network last year, the Wall Street Journal reports , but was rebuffed because "the legacy of who the network goes to is important to us and we are sensitive to networks not aligned with our point of view."

It would appear that Al Gore sees an oil funded station that is anti-American and supports terrorist as a better legacy than a right wing news outlet.
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 12:55:00 PM

I had also heard that Gore was trying to rush the deal so that he wouldn't pay as much in cap gains taxes. (new rate is 20%, up from 15%, so he'd have to pay 33% more to Uncle Sam)

Ydraig - There are strict ownership requirements for BROADCAST TV stations. They cannot be foreign owned. However, there is no such limitation for CABLE TV stations. Since no laws were broken, I have no beef with Al Jazeera coming to Current TV. They're going to keep the "Current" name for a time, and gradually shift it to AJ, per the article I read. I've seen a few others since then.

AJ could really use their new network for promoting understanding of the Arab world and Arab/Muslim culture in America. Let's hope they do. And if they find their niche as a MODERATE network, criticizing BOTH sides for foolishness, then more power to them. They'll beat BBC America then, who have their noses stuck so far up Obama's keyster, it's not even funny. And again, I hope that they will use their network to promote understanding, not to spew propaganda. Will I watch it? I might. Have to see how good their coverage is, and if or how badly they "spin" news stories. What would be good is if they keep American news to a basic, and focus on WORLD goings on. That might keep them on top - good, in depth world coverage.
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 11:26:20 AM

xrdc, the point of the comparison is that they are all foreign based news organizations with the full protection of the First Amendment.

Ezx, "fair share" based on 2012 tax rates, yes.

You can bet that when Al-J news runs stories they will be cited by everyone else. This will attract curious American viewers including me.
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 11:01:31 AM


From the LATimes

"Gore and Hyatt said in a statement that Current and Al Jazeera shared similar goals of speaking "truth to power" and providing "independent and diverse points of view and to "tell the stories that no one else is telling."

Sweet! More Jihadi snuff videos piped right into our homes! What more could Leftist America-haters like Al Gore want?

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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 10:26:11 AM

>>and half the country wanted this guy in the WH!<<

More like half of those that bothered to vote.
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 10:23:21 AM

Faux News said today that AlBore didnt quite get the deal done in last minutes of last year. So he may have to pay more taxes towards his fair share.
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 9:42:16 AM

and half the country wanted this guy in the WH!
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 9:40:12 AM

Propaganda spewing attracts.
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Message Posted: Jan 3, 2013 8:27:22 PM

Thank you, AC-302. I was not trying to be insulting or anything. Due to the pro and con posts, I was not sure which way we were going.

As for Al-Jazeera, we have tolerated MSNBC and FOX NEWS for quite some time. One more politically motivated network won't make much difference. Most of us have learned how to pick out what is relevant, and what is rhetoric.

In fact, those two networks have been a good training ground for defending ourselves against propaganda. I guess we owe them a debt of gratitude. :o)

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Message Posted: Jan 3, 2013 8:06:23 PM

Hey, just FYI, the Sex Poodle made sure to close the deal before the end of 2012 so that he didn't have to pay the extra capital gains taxes that he has been publicly advocating for everyone else. Way to go Mr. Hypocrite Poodle.


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Message Posted: Jan 3, 2013 7:06:56 PM

Some hilarious quotes on Twitter today:

"Al Gore is trending because he just made 100 million dollars from the oil he’s been railing against for the last couple decades."

"Delicious: Al Gore's Current TV to be bought by Al Jazeera, the state-owned media company of oil rich Qatar. Make your own jokes, people."

"Al Gore: So called green activist hitting the jackpot from rick Qatari oil tycoons. The irony hurts my head"

"So, the king of global climate warming change has sold out to evil oil producers? Hence forth, Al Gore shall be synonymous with hypocrite."

"You know who loves filthy oil profits? AL GORE. HAHAHAHA"

"Seriously, who had Gore emerging as slickest snake oil salesman from THAT administration? Competition works!"

"I still want to know if the deal actually closed on 12/31 to save Al Gore some taxes on those filthy oil profits."

"Al Gore's current TV is bought with oil profits. Oh my goodness! Please tell me more about the Bush's relationship with the Saudis!"

"This is better than finding out Michael Moore's fat a#$ had 20,000 shares of Haliburton in his portfolio back in 2005."

"Laughing all the way to the bank. Worlds greatest snake oil salesman...is that why his hair shines so brightly?"

"The most disturbing part? That Al Gore admitted that his own views are more in line with Al Jazeera than with Glen Beck."
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Message Posted: Jan 3, 2013 3:51:19 PM

It's funny, if it was Bain Capital that did the deal, most everyone posting on this thread would be posting a full 180° direction on their viewpoints.

Current TV is a struggling network that continues to get bad ratings, and there aren't many Americans left with disposal cash to buy and renovate a losing network. You will see more and more of this as the value of the dollar continues to degrade. Capitalism will dictate the success or failure of a television station owned by people that don't care nor understand American values.

My question, will Al Gore pay his "fair share" of the proceeds from the sale? :)
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Message Posted: Jan 3, 2013 12:39:48 PM

Ydraig asked: "Have you ever read or seen Al Jazeera? Either way, what is the point here? Are you against the sale, for it, or asking opinions on the merit of the sale? Just curious."

--Yes, I have seen Al-Jazeera, many times. It is also on LinkTV, and on Ch 28.1 here in LaLa land (MHz TV - its an alternative to PBS Public TV - This station moved to MHz when it could no longer afford the subscription fees to the "real" PBS). Tell me, have you ever seen Press TV? How about IRIB2 English? What about ANN? And have you ever watched IBA English? What is YOUR point?

I found it newsworthy that Gore's home-grown network was being taken over by Al Jazeera. That's why I posted the article. Do I much care? No, on cable TV, they haven't broken any ownership laws. Do I expect AJ to totally biased against Israel in their coverage of their wars with Hezbollah, Hamas and Islamic Jihad? Of course they will. Even when Israel is blatantly attacked. Wouldn't you expect them to be biased that way?

I do wonder if they have their own network, will they have good documentaries on the Arab world, their customs, their history and perhaps even their political struggles with each other. That would be useful and go a long, long way to American's understanding of the Arab world. But then again, the Arab world (and the Palestinians specifically) rarely miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. But we can still hope they can find their voice of reasonability here in the States.

[Edited by: AC-302 at 1/3/2013 12:41:26 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jan 3, 2013 12:38:54 PM

“What one generation tolerates, the next generation will embrace.” ? John Wesley
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Message Posted: Jan 3, 2013 11:44:49 AM

Al Jazeera is just moving from silent partner to public owner.
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