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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 4:58:28 PM

"In unsparing and blunt language, Gov. Chris Christie (R-N.J.) lowered the boom on Washington for its inaction in helping the victims of Hurricane Sandy. But he aimed his justifiably angry words at the Republican majority in the House and specifically Speaker John Boehner. “There is only one group to blame for the continued suffering of these innocent victims: the House majority and their speaker, John Boehner.”

Holding forth at a press conference in Trenton, N.J., Christie pointed out that New Jersey, New York and Connecticut have waited 66 days and counting on aid from the federal government. And he said he worked the phones to secure votes for the package. But after being given assurances all weekend that a bill would be voted on “[t]here is no reason for me to believe anything [Congress] is telling me.”

Christie’s first clue that something was amiss was Boehner ducking his phone calls. The governor noted that he called the speaker four times after 11 p.m. last night and didn’t get a return call. Sure, Boehner was trying to get the fiscal cliff deal done, but someone on his staff should have been in touch with Christie.

Christie slammed the palace intrigue that has stalled assistance to his fellow New Jerseyans. But he engaged in a little intrigue of his own. While Christie liberally slammed Boehner, he heaped praise on House Minority Leader Eric Cantor. In my last post I criticized the Virginia congressman as being more interested in politics than governing. In his efforts to help Christie and other Sandy ravaged governors get the aid they need, Cantor was governing and playing politics."



Furious with their own party....
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Michiganian
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 7:44:45 AM

The parade of the uncaring ignored continues.
RNorm
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Message Posted: Jan 10, 2013 1:16:02 AM

"So my question still remains...is Christie lying to score political points with his state? Like I said, you posted that...not me!"


Honestly, I do not think Christie was lying.

I think he raised an uproar because Boehner would have most likely delayed the vote even longer had not the cry against him and the house been so great.

Again, Boehner, not me, said about the vote "the timing wasn't right". If it hadn't been right in six weeks and he wasn't planning on holding in a day or two after the fiscal cliff vote, then when was he doing to do it?

THAT is what had Christie and others so upset.

Just my 2 cents.
AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 10:26:14 PM

RNorm, that is not all the story was about. Right here is what Christie was upset about and you posted it!

"Christie slammed the palace intrigue that has stalled assistance to his fellow New Jerseyans."

So my question still remains...is Christie lying to score political points with his state? Like I said, you posted that...not me!

What is not surprising is how you lefties will find anything to make excuses for this lame president we have. Even when he screws up you cannot admit it. I am sure you were after Bush after Katrina but now you have no words for Obama and instead find someone else to blame EVEN THOUGH the money was there and it just has been a response issue.

Finally, why does it really matter when the vote happened as long as it happened before it had a negative impact? Like I have already said, the left is just looking for someone else to blame, once again, besides Obama for his failings. Now that is typical of this administration, of you, and the media. And that is not surprising!
RNorm
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 10:24:20 AM

"You think they weren't working on other important matters like the fiscal cliff issue?"


The Speaker was involved in those negotiations, NOT the entire house.




"Of course Obama could have done something, but he was too busy campaigning and playing golf, right?"

Neither the executive branch or the debate has control over how the house conducts its business.

[Edited by: RNorm at 1/9/2013 10:26:04 AM EST]
RNorm
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 10:17:24 AM

"You appear determined to blame the delay on Republicans. Are the representatives in the House all Republicans, or does the House also contain representatives who are Democrats?"


I'm sure you know that the party in majority in the House determines which bills are brought to the floor debate and vote.
BlackGumTree
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 9:47:15 AM

You appear determined to blame the delay on Republicans. Are the representatives in the House all Republicans, or does the House also contain representatives who are Democrats?

Oh, maybe you believe that only Republicans can propose bills or amendments to bills.

The are geniuses in the House who like the use an Emergency to get pork passed. This is really inappropriate when it holds up emergency assistance.

Instead to trying to blame a particular party, how about blaming the particular representatives who are causing the problem regardless of party? There are good and bad representatives on both sides of the aisle.
nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 9:46:09 AM

RNorm, "Moreover, as has been pointed out, the bill had languished in the house for six weeks. If pork was the problem, they had all that time to take it out, but did nothing (none of you rightites will even touch that)."

You think they weren't working on other important matters like the fiscal cliff issue?

Of course Obama could have done something, but he was too busy campaigning and playing golf, right?

You lefties love to blame the Katrina response on Bush (not to mention other things that didn't even happen), yet refuse to hold the Democrat controlled Senate and Obama for anything!
nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 9:42:15 AM

YDraigGoch, was the original bill $9.7 billion or much more than that?

You know, the one with the financial help for the Alaska fisheries and the Smithsonian roof.
RNorm
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Message Posted: Jan 9, 2013 7:59:29 AM

"You still refuse to answer my question. Did it get done before the money ran out? Was Christie in-fact posturing or was it true that people were kept from getting assistance? "


Because your question is irrelevant to the point of the thread, which is again the anger within the GOP. You dismiss it as posturing, however, when its the same with democrats, you don't dismiss it.

Moreover, as has been pointed out, the bill had languished in the house for six weeks. If pork was the problem, they had all that time to take it out, but did nothing (none of you rightites will even touch that).

You seem to want to never discuss problems within the GOP but yet will post all day long about similar problems in the other party.

Hmm...no surprise there.
YDraigGoch
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 8:16:16 PM

OK. Time to cut the "pork" garbage.

Here is what all those disgusting right wing toads voted against.

"The measure, which allows FEMA to temporarily increase the National Flood Insurance program's borrowing limit by $9.7 billion, will now head to the White House for the president's signature"

The bill was ONE PAGE!! Period!! There was not ONE bit of pork in it. Nothing! NOTHING!!

So, the despicable little people who oppose due to pork it are one of three things;

1. Stupendously ignorant
2. Dangerously stupid
3. Disgusting politically motivated LIARS!

Personally, I think number three will cover most of it.

Especially since most of the opposition was from states that GET more from the government than they contribute. The wining welfare queens!

As for whether or not the government should or should not be involved with flood insurance, wouldn't decent people bring that up AFTER the aid? Get the help out right now, then decide whether or not to stop future aid?

Of course, the people in Mississippi are still whining that they "didn't get enough" for Katrina. In fact, the biggest whiner of all, Pallazo, voted AGAINST Sandy aid.

HIS state got help, even though they already take more from the government than they contribute. But the three states that DO pay their way can't get help? Is he for REAL?

What a disgusting, whining, right wing, southern piece of white trash. The "man" should be banned from office. He hasn't earned the right to live among decent people.

Of course, maybe he doesn't.
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 6:45:27 PM

I propose two amendments to the US Constitution that would straighten out those in Federal Elected Offices:

1) Campaign Finance Reform: Only those who are registered to vote and can legally vote for a Candidate, can donate money, time, material or anything else to their election campaign.

2) Limitation of Terms: Once a person has served any part of a term, that person cannot server anywhere in the federal government for the two years following the end of that term.

Recap: Only constituents can donate to a campaign. No career politicians allowed, no reelections to keep a politician in office.

Bottom Line: No politicking for the next term and you can only get donations from those who can vote for you.


[Edited by: BlackGumTree at 1/8/2013 6:49:42 PM EST]
AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 4:47:03 PM

Rnorm, you also quoted that it kept assistance from getting to residents. You still refuse to answer my question. Did it get done before the money ran out? Was Christie in-fact posturing or was it true that people were kept from getting assistance?
RNorm
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 11:36:54 AM

"The republicans got that taken out (or delayed) in the Sandy relief bill."


Which they could have just as well done in the SIX WEEKS that bill was in the house languishing; right?
RNorm
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 11:20:54 AM

"That is what I am talking about political posturing."

Again, the point of this thread is the anger within the GOP over not having the Sandy vote immediately after the fiscal cliff vote. Anger which you are trying to act as if it didn't happen.
AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 10:22:10 AM

"Did Cristie and King unload on their own party, i.e., the House GOP, or did they not?"

That is what I am talking about political posturing. Now answer my question...did or did it not get done before money ran out?
nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 9:07:29 AM

In addition, there was a huge amount of wasted dollars in the Katrina relief bill.

The republicans got that taken out (or delayed) in the Sandy relief bill.

And isn't that what we want? All this pork taken out of bills, especially "emergency bills"?

The new "tactic" is to stuff last minute bills with all kinds of pork and give the bill a pleasant or emergency sounding name, then don't give the representatives and senators enough time to read it.

Come to think of it, didn't Obama pledge to give enough time (5 days I think), and post it online, before it comes to a vote?
nstrdnvstr
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 9:02:57 AM

michaelphoenix2, "@AFSNC ---- They had shelters set up throughout the city. They had food and water. There wasnt the mass suffering that there was in the aftermath of katrina. You could see that too if you wern't trying so hard to find faults with Obama. Take off the partisan blinders for a sec and see the big picture."

They had mayors and governors stay and help coordinate relief too, unlike what happened in Katrina (New Orleans) where Mayor Nagel fled the state and when he came back said they were "going to build a chocolate city". In fact, the governor of Louisiana at the time of Katrina wouldn't let the government send in the National Guard with the help it needed.

You didn't see such resistance from Christie or Cuomo, did you?

RNorm
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 7:08:45 PM

"Rnorm, did they get it done before they ran out of money or did they not?"


Did Cristie and King unload on their own party, i.e., the House GOP, or did they not?
MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 6:56:34 PM

Exploding fractions

Any similarity between exploding fractions and GOP inaction is purely coincidental.



[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 1/7/2013 6:58:05 PM EST]
michaelphoenix2
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 6:31:29 PM

No has explained to me yet what an exploding fraction is, or how one factors into an equation???
jdhelm
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 3:53:24 PM

unreal - that the liberal MSM didn't or hasn't made this "explode" thing more of a news issue.

I thto the headline was: Chris Christie rips the House GOP and Boehner
, but then I guess it translates to - "GOP Fractions explode over failure to bring Sandy Relief Bill to a vote". glad I'm not the 'only one' who stretches headlines as as been pointed out to me. oh well, it makes for interesting reading
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 3:12:01 PM

@AFSNC ---- They had shelters set up throughout the city. They had food and water. There wasnt the mass suffering that there was in the aftermath of katrina. You could see that too if you wern't trying so hard to find faults with Obama. Take off the partisan blinders for a sec and see the big picture.

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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 3:01:02 PM

michael, I know...they did not even provide a place of shelter for most people that were hit by Sandy. Pretty sad...isn't it?

Oh, that is right...I forgot, it was Bush's fault that people did not evacuate from New Orleans. It is his fault the mayor of New Orleans took a very unimpressive approach to preparing people for the storm and left busses idle while people were trapped and could not evacuate? It was Bush's fault that when he asked the governor of Louisiana if help was needed that he was told no that it was being handled. Got it...!
AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 2:58:55 PM

Rnorm, did they get it done before they ran out of money or did they not?
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@AFNCO--------"I love the way people want to avoid blaming Obama and his administration for the way they handled the response to Sandy. It is amazing how much the press blasted Bush during Katrina but this administration's handling Sandy makes Katrina response look like an overwhelming success!"

Really? Funny i dont remember hundreds of people huddled in the stadiums with no food/plumbing/water starving is squalor. Or shots of people raiding the local walmart just for food to eat.
RNorm
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 2:50:33 PM

Interesting how Boehner didn't tell King he wanted to get rid of the pork; he said "it wasn't the right time" to have the vote right after the fiscal cliff vote. King simply repeated Boehner's words to him, but folks now make that into "Boehner was more concerned about getting rid of pork" even though he never mentioned pork in explaining why he didn't hold the vote on the same day as the fiscal cliff; OR why they had the bill for six weeks and did nothing about moving it forward...

Predictable.
AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 2:44:27 PM

Oops, another politician that was upset with Boehner before the vote but realized the same thing I did...it got done without any negative impact other than the Democrats trying to shift blame away from this administration:

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From RNorm's link:

Facing intense pressure, Boehner agreed Wednesday to schedule a vote Friday on $9 billion for the national flood insurance program and another vote Jan. 15 for a remaining $51 billion in the package, said Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y. The new Congress is being sworn in Thursday.

King left a meeting with Boehner and other Republicans without the anger that had led him to rip into the speaker on the House floor, calling Boehner's attitude "dismissive" and "cavalier."

"It was a very positive meeting," King said afterward.

King told NBC's "Today" on Thursday that Boehner had ultimately come through for New York and New Jersey and said he expected Boehner to be reelected as speaker. King said he would vote for Boehner.



[Edited by: AFSNCO at 1/7/2013 2:45:07 PM EST]
AFSNCO
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I love the way people want to avoid blaming Obama and his administration for the way they handled the response to Sandy. It is amazing how much the press blasted Bush during Katrina but this administration's handling Sandy makes Katrina response look like an overwhelming success!
AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 2:39:39 PM

"I don't care what the other republicans say...LOL"

Exactly. It was political posturing...period. I have already asked but not a single one of you answered. What was held up because of funding? I will answer for you...NOTHING. The money had not run out yet. This was to make sure it did not. Like the fiscal cliff and other things our government does it was done just in time. Would it have mattered if it was voted on 3 months before it was due to run out of money versus the day before? No...as long as the money got obligated. It is like you writing a check today for a television you are going to buy 3 months from now.
nstrdnvstr
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RNorm, ""Boehner and the other Reps wanted to focus on getting relief funds to where it was needed and not to fisherman in Alaska that were not affected by Sandy. "Actually, that's NOT the reason:

"Boehner explained that after the contentious vote to avoid major tax increases and spending cuts called the "fiscal cliff," the House speaker didn't think it was the right time to schedule the vote before the current Congress ended."

Then why was a new relief bill passed almost immediately afterwards minus all the pork?

Maybe you should read your own link:

"Facing intense pressure, Boehner agreed Wednesday to schedule a vote Friday on $9 billion for the national flood insurance program and another vote Jan. 15 for a remaining $51 billion in the package, said Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y. The new Congress is being sworn in Thursday."

There is a reason that the new bill is $42 billion less than the old one. Could it be PORK????
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 7:47:24 AM

Here is what Bloomberg says about the pork,

"As I wrote three weeks ago, almost 25% of the $60-billion-plus package goes somewhere else than directly to the victims or the infrastructure actually damaged by the hurricane. We’re not just talking about a few million here and there, but more than $13 billion in unrelated spending attached to this bill. While it may have been impolitic to slow down the bill’s progress to deal with the pork issue, it was hardly irrational."

25% pork, even when it is needed for victims! Why are we allowing them to do this? It was urgent, so they tried to get their bacon delivered.

And there will a bigger fight later, just like the Fiscal Cliff!

[Edited by: btc1 at 1/7/2013 7:49:57 AM EST]
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YD: "<<<So go on. Justify the delays. Give us some real numbers. Make a case, if you think you have one. No obfuscations. No generalities. Time to man up.">>>

**********

Several have answered your questions earlier in this thread, I for one am not going to repost yet again the pork portions of the CDBG bill dressed up as a humanitarian bill. I get it from your other posts, you want the government to be your nanny, and you sincerely believe that this country can spend its way out of debt. "Time to man up"? Try success through hard work and sacrifice for a change, then perhaps you'll learn the value of a dollar. There aren't any successful people, business, etc. that have spent their way to their success.

If you are so adamant about helping these Sandy storm victims, then write your congressman to support a bill that helps them, without stealing additional money from the taxpayers.
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 11:05:48 PM

Only three questions are pertinent;

1. How much aid is desperately needed right now (or preferably last month)?

2. What percentage of that REAL number is considered pork?

3. Does that amount justify holding up the rest to desperate Americans who need it?

Especially since the three states that have the need ALL contribute more money to taxes than they get back.

And even more so that the majority of opponents come from states that GET more than they pay in?

So go on. Justify the delays. Give us some real numbers. Make a case, if you think you have one. No obfuscations. No generalities. Time to man up.
RNorm
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 8:39:31 PM

"Boehner and the other Reps wanted to focus on getting relief funds to where it was needed and not to fisherman in Alaska that were not affected by Sandy. "


Actually, that's NOT the reason:

"Boehner explained that after the contentious vote to avoid major tax increases and spending cuts called the "fiscal cliff," the House speaker didn't think it was the right time to schedule the vote before the current Congress ended."

Making up your own spin again, eh?






"You guys can quote all the political posturing you want...fact remains they had not run out of funding for Sandy victims and you cannot point to one relief effort that has been held up because of funding."

Translation:

I don't care what the other republicans say...LOL
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 7:56:55 PM

You guys can quote all the political posturing you want...fact remains they had not run out of funding for Sandy victims and you cannot point to one relief effort that has been held up because of funding. It has been held up because of red tape and lack of attention by the people in charge of the relief effort.
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 12:52:52 PM

Who's the liar, RNorm? He/she is already blocked at my end.
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RNorm, "Ok, then explain that to Chris Christie:

"“There is only one group to blame for the continued suffering of these innocent victims: the House majority and their speaker, John Boehner.”

And Peter King:

""I would say the Republican Party has said it is the party of family values. Last night it turned its back on the most essential value of all, and that is to provide food, shelter clothing, and relief for people who have been hit by a natural disaster. And I would say that the Republican Party has turned its back on those people.""

That's because they wanted the relief money at any cost. Their point of focus was getting the money for relief and didn't care about all the waste in a bill that was many times bigger, dollar-wise, loaded down with pork.

Boehner and the other Reps wanted to focus on getting relief funds to where it was needed and not to fisherman in Alaska that were not affected by Sandy.
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 4:07:01 PM

"This bill had NOTHING to do with current spending for disaster relief. It had to do with FUTURE spending. But keep going because you are proving more and more that you have no understanding of what they even voted on and you are just jumping on the bandwagon."

Which explains Christie's outrage, and King's, and "A vote on $9 billion for immediate aid is now set for Friday..."

[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 1/5/2013 4:08:37 PM EST]
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 3:53:55 PM

" The answer is right in front of you and I already posted it. The flood insurance was not due to run out until next week. That was not the problem....inaction by a lying president and his appointees has been the problem. "


Ok, then explain that to Chris Christie:

"“There is only one group to blame for the continued suffering of these innocent victims: the House majority and their speaker, John Boehner.”

And Peter King:

""I would say the Republican Party has said it is the party of family values. Last night it turned its back on the most essential value of all, and that is to provide food, shelter clothing, and relief for people who have been hit by a natural disaster. And I would say that the Republican Party has turned its back on those people.""

as they (as well as others) strongly disagree with you.
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 3:47:17 PM

MTM: "The bill was in House Republican hands for 6 weeks prior to the end of the 112th Congress, and yet that Congress did absolutely nothing. Doing nothing seems to have become an identifying feature of the Republican Party."

Answer my question. Did it stop anyone from getting benefits? You know you cannot answer it without making the president look like the liar he is! This bill had NOTHING to do with current spending for disaster relief. It had to do with FUTURE spending. But keep going because you are proving more and more that you have no understanding of what they even voted on and you are just jumping on the bandwagon.
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 3:44:20 PM

"Gee, maybe you should ask the people of New York and New Jersey, who have been complaining about this for weeks...or for that matter, ask some of your fellow gasbuddies around here who have been moaning and whining about the government (i.e., Obama) doing nothing to help the people of New York and New Jersey."

Gee...this bill had nothing to do with it. The money was there! Our government, run by this administration and its broken promises, has been the problem. They have not followed through on their promises. The answer is right in front of you and I already posted it. The flood insurance was not due to run out until next week. That was not the problem....inaction by a lying president and his appointees has been the problem.
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 3:09:15 PM

" Let me ask you...what did waiting to vote on this bill impede? Please explain because you are just talking out your * "


Gee, maybe you should ask the people of New York and New Jersey, who have been complaining about this for weeks...or for that matter, ask some of your fellow gasbuddies around here who have been moaning and whining about the government (i.e., Obama) doing nothing to help the people of New York and New Jersey.
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 2:29:05 PM

On a related note:

GOP Rep: Disaster Aid For My District, Not For Yours


Under strong pressure from New York and New Jersey elected officials, the House of Representatives Friday passed a $9.7 billion federal aid package for victims of Hurricane Sandy.

In a rare bipartisan vote, the measure passed 354-67 and is now headed on to the Senate, where it’s certain to pass.

In the House, not a single Democrat voted no.

At least one of the 67 conservative Republicans who opposed the bill is just months removed from seeing a natural disaster devastate his own district.

That would be Rep. Doug Lamborn of Colorado Springs, where the Waldo Canyon Fire last June destroyed close to 350 homes and led to $352.6 million in insurance claims.

Following that fire, Lamborn signed onto a letter along with the other members of the Colorado congressional delegation asking the White House for additional FEMA disaster relief.

Two months earlier, Lamborn had actually introduced his own legislation aimed at limiting executive disaster declarations and federal dollars they free up.

“Most disasters – tornadoes, snowstorms, fires, floods – are state and local issues,” Lamborn said in a press release announcing the move. “Last year, President Obama issued over 240 FEMA disaster declarations, breaking the previous by over 80. Obama increased the national debt with his very generous use of ‘disaster declarations.”

On Friday, the other three Colorado Republican House members, Reps. Mike Coffman, Cory Gardner and Scott Tipton, all voted in favor of the Sandy relief package.


MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 2:19:04 PM

"Did it get passed?"

The context of the topic is Chris Christie's justified anger at the Republican majority of the 112th Congress, and at John Boehner. Do try to stay on topic.



"Did it stop anyone from getting benefits?"

The bill was in House Republican hands for 6 weeks prior to the end of the 112th Congress, and yet that Congress did absolutely nothing. Doing nothing seems to have become an identifying feature of the Republican Party.



"Oh yes it did, because the administration has once again lied and did not do as it promised."

Neither "the administration" nor Obama's name appear in the OP. GOP factions, however...



"Could the delay have anything to do with the following?"

Why would a delay have been necessary? The House had the bill for 6 weeks and did nothing with it. There was plenty of time to deal with the pork, yet they didn't.






[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 1/5/2013 2:24:09 PM EST]
calwdstk
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 2:18:22 PM

Could the delay have anything to do with the following?
Check link: What is in Hurricane relief package
•$2 million to repair damage to the roofs of museums in Washington, D.C., while many in Hurricane Sandy’s path still have no roof over their own heads.

•$150 million for fisheries as far away from the storm’s path as Alaska.

•$125 million for the Department of Agriculture’s Emergency Watershed Protection program, which helps restore watersheds damaged by wildfires and drought.

•$20 million for a nationwide Water Resources Priorities Study.

•$15 million for NASA facilities, though NASA itself has called its damage from the hurricane ‘minimal.’

•$50 million in subsidies for tree planting on private properties.

•$336 million for taxpayer-supported AMTRAK without any detailed plan for how the money will be spent.

•$5.3 billion for the Army Corps of Engineers – more than the Corps’ annual budget – with no statement of priorities about how to spend the money.

•$12.9 billion for future disaster mitigation activities and studies, without identifying a single way to pay for it.
AFSNCO
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 2:03:24 PM

"Them" being the 113th Congress. Free pass for the 112th Congress."

Did it get passed? Did it stop anyone from getting benefits? Oh yes it did, because the administration has once again lied and did not do as it promised. Answering questions within 15 minutes? Bahahaha.
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 2:02:18 PM

"Gee, six weeks no vote, but you give that a free pass? Yeah, I can see the partisan blinders working overtime for you..."

Gee...it has been 2 months and Obama and the administration made promises to the people and never followed through...and you want to talk about blinders? Let me ask you...what did waiting to vote on this bill impede? Please explain because you are just talking out your *
MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 10:59:42 AM

"Sixty-seven of them voted Friday against the Sandy package, which replenishes the National Flood Insurance Program that was due to run out of money next week."

"Them" being the 113th Congress. Free pass for the 112th Congress.
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 10:58:59 AM

The heart of the lack of Sandy funding was not that there was some money available.

The main problem is that the banks will not provide loans to rebuild until the Congress provides the funding to insure the loans.

It also makes a person wonder.

If this storm had landed in the "Red States" of South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama and Mississippi instead of "Blue States New York and New Jersey would the House have responded faster?
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Message Posted: Jan 5, 2013 10:54:11 AM

"Oh sorry..not even a bingo...just a BOOM...BOOM...BOOM! At least come with a real fight next time. BTW...the new Congress has already been seated and is who voted on this package. Thanks for playing anyway. It was seated on January 3rd. You cannot even get that right yet Bingo Boom? ROFL! "


Gee, six weeks no vote, but you give that a free pass? Yeah, I can see the partisan blinders working overtime for you...
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