I75at7AM
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Message Posted: Jan 25, 2013 4:03:32 PM
Communist Party USA Cheers Gun "Control" Efforts
Dictators always start by disarming the populace. Always.
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Jan 23, 2013 9:15:38 AM
""they cling to their guns and bibles.""
I don't have a Bible.
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WES03
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Message Posted: Jan 21, 2013 9:00:46 AM
"they cling to their guns and bibles."
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BLTHNDR
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Message Posted: Jan 20, 2013 11:04:38 PM
wow what a reponce..... i got a new one Obama wants to ban the sale of Perperation H because any one who believes any of that has a hemroid and wants to make them suffer. End of story!
[Edited by: BLTHNDR at 1/20/2013 11:06:54 PM EST]
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RAB2010
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 6:37:53 PM
References to "Obama" and "guns" are rather offensive, are they not?
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mswiggy
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 9:44:42 AM
BOTH transactions were done thru a FFL & background checks were done for me & the guy I sold the rifle to & me again when I bought the Shotgun.
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My personal opinion, in your case you went to a better more responsible gun show. Good for you, they are rare down here, more like a free for all.
So you get what you pay for.
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mswiggy
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 9:37:15 AM
Gun Show Loophole
In 33 states, private gun owners are not restricted from selling guns at gun shows. Buyers who purchase guns from individuals are not required to submit to the federal background checks in place for licensed dealers. Critics say that firearms can be obtained illegally as a result, calling it the “gun show loophole.” Proponents of unregulated gun show sales say that there is no loophole; gun owners are simply selling or trading guns at the shows as they would do at their residence.
The seven states requiring background checks for all purchases include:
•California
•Colorado
•Connecticut
•Illinois
•New York
•Oregon
•Rhode Island
The four states requiring background checks for only handgun purchases include:
•Hawaii
•Maryland
•New Jersey
•Pennsylvania
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PopcornPirate
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Message Posted: Jan 8, 2013 9:18:47 AM
Don't know where the Liberals get their Info.
Went to a gun show in PA the past weekend.
Sold 1 long gun & bought a new shotgun to go trap shooting.
BOTH transactions were done thru a FFL & background checks were done for me & the guy I sold the rifle to & me again when I bought the Shotgun.
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 11:00:29 AM
Let me know when we get near the 3/4 members of Congress who want to ban all guns. In the meantime I'll let the con yahoos that are still red faced after the last election continue to blow smoke.
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 8:23:33 AM
who said this? People shouldn't be allowed to own guns
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jdhelm
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Message Posted: Jan 7, 2013 8:22:53 AM
do guns save more people than they kill?
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mudtoe
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 8:19:23 PM
Apparently Detroit police don't care about guns, even in the hands of criminals; so why should Obama care?
Detroit 911 tells caller reporting stolen vehicle with gun inside to call back later
mudtoe
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Jan 6, 2013 10:44:24 AM
MiddletownMarty - it's still a threat.
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07skydriver
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 3:30:09 PM
If Obama wanted your guns, he'd have em. This bs only serves to cause a run on guns & ammo and make everything cost more.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 12:08:58 PM
From the link:
"...if a reasonable person would believe that possession of a firearm could have defended against such conduct."
ROTFL! Talk about not being self-consistent!
"Donald Kaul, a former reporter and guest writer for the Des Moines Register, wrote four days after Christmas 2012 about murdering NRA members, eliminating the free association guarantees of the Bill of Rights, and killing Republicans in Congress."
Is that worse than murdering 26 children with a Rambo-gun? Blood-lust indeed. Ridiculous.
[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 1/4/2013 12:13:02 PM EST]
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greentre
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Message Posted: Jan 4, 2013 12:03:55 PM
If the government or anyone else wants to restrict the rights of gun owners they should be responsible for any and all damages that may happen to that disarmed Citizen.
Gun Free Zone Liability
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RAB2010
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 9:43:45 PM
Finally, the anti-American socialist gun-grabbers have outed their blood lust. Donald Kaul, a former reporter and guest writer for the Des Moines Register, wrote four days after Christmas 2012 about murdering NRA members, eliminating the free association guarantees of the Bill of Rights, and killing Republicans in Congress. Finally, the truth is out; it is the gun-grabbers and gun-banners who are the emotionally unstable, violent people in society. Their inability to control others forces them to seek to deny those who disagree with them any means of preventing their censorship of dissent. Like the N.V.A., they will readily put a bullet in the head of any who disagree with them. To accomplish this, they must first disarm the People. That is exactly their goal post Newtown.
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Michiganian
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Message Posted: Jan 2, 2013 10:32:19 AM
I had an easy solution to the banner ad mentioned in this thread. I muted it so I won't be seeing similar ads.
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2013 11:22:45 PM
Worryfree said: "Minnesota requires the same background check to buy an AR or AK as a handgun. That would be a good start for national law..."
--Now that's reasonable. I can agree with you on that point, that as a magazine fed, semi-auto rifle, you should have the same rules as a magazine fed, semi-auto pistol. I wouldn't be opposed to that rule.
YDraig said, and Jayrad agreed: " Are you really telling us that a few people armed with .38s can fight tanks? Really?"
--Yeah, really. Dragon man, you are a much, smarter guy than that. When you have an armed populace, you would automatically have a resistance in the case of a takeover or invasion. Remember, you can't LIVE in a tank, not for long anyway. You have to get out sometime. And a Molotov cocktail can work wonders against a tank. And when the guys run out, what do you think would happen next? So, no. Your point is NOT well taken at all.
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2013 11:11:03 PM
I guess some folks think Mother Jones is a more progressive source then and HuffPo is too conservative?
I anyone doesn't know Obama's positions (note the plural please) I wonder why not. Could it be they just never looked? Or is it more blind support to him.
In case anyone doesn't know Obama's positions on gun control - please read eh link of reb4.
[Edited by: flyboyUT at 1/1/2013 11:14:54 PM EST]
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reb4
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2013 7:04:02 PM
Information about Obama's gun policy
This goes back to State polotics.
Obama is a politician... plain and simple...
Thanks flyboyUT... Thinking along the same lines as you were with the independence of our country...
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Wanda127
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2013 6:57:48 PM
Like your comment BlackGumTree.
We all know that if the guns are taken from the honest Americans that only the criminals will have them. Plus the government will have them & can make you do whatever they want.
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BlackGumTree
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2013 6:26:29 PM
I'd be happy to give up my guns if Obama gives up his and makes sure all the people around him don't have guns including his bodyguard.
Now if he wants to forcibly take guns from everyone, let him know that I am a native Washingtonian and am aware of just how unsafe anyone in the White House is.
Obama is much safer if he doesn't start a revolution against himself.
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2013 6:15:35 PM
I don't read Huffington Post, and I don't think I've ever cited them as a source.
I don't know whether Obama was once in favor of banning guns or not. If he was and has since back tracked on that position then I am dismayed, but I understand the political reality behind such a move. I am very disappointed by his current lack of leadership on that matter, however.
[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 1/1/2013 6:19:06 PM EST]
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flyboyUT
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2013 5:47:27 PM
Ydraig I agree that I dont see it too reasonable but lets look at some history ---
Colonists vs British Empire -- with lots of help a motley bunch of ragtag folks beat the single largest military empire of its day.
French people vs the monarchy - who hears much of the reigning French King these days?
Afgan tribesmen vs the British empire of a later era. Did the Brits ever go much past the Khyber Pass? For how long?
Afgan tribesmen against the worlds largest ladn army. Russia left after being bled dry.
Is it realistic here - no I dont think so but it has happened elsewhere and or elsewhen.
Many times it has been tried and has met with a massacre of those who tried.
But I do think the discussion is kind of interesting as the whole War of Independence started when the Brits tried to confiscate some military arms that were owned by civilians in a couple of towns called Lexington and Concord.
Now does this add to the topic or detract from it - who knows.
Does Obama wish to ban guns - well what has he said adn done in the past. That should be a pretty good indication of his position.
Even Marty and Michiggy will like this source..
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>>>Obama was a vocal advocate of gun control in his early days as an Illinois politician, and during his term in the U.S. Senate, he routinely backed gun control bills. It wasn't until he became president that he went quiet on the matter; in fact, the only two gun measures he's signed into law actually expanded gun rights.<<<
Is one to believe him or not?
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jayrad1957
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2013 4:41:25 PM
YDraig, agreed!
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YDraigGoch
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2013 4:03:41 PM
OK, let's try to keep this within the realm of reality. Are you really telling us that a few people armed with .38s can fight tanks? Really? Or that peasants with NO money can afford to buy tanks? And learn to use them against a trained army? It is a delusional argument.
If the army ever took control, the second amendment would be worthless. The dreams of secession, armed resistance to Washington policies, and all the rest is nothing more than the angry dreams of fringe fanatics. This is the real world, not a Chuck Norris movie.
Now, can we get back to the reality of how we CAN protect our right to bear arms without the raging lunacy of partisan "warriors"?
Thank you.
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worryfree
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2013 3:36:31 PM
Minnesota requires the same background check to buy an AR or AK as a handgun. That would be a good start for national law...
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AC-302
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2013 2:13:02 PM
RAB2010 said: "Over 56 million people have died, unable to defend themselves because of gun control, in recent history. History repeats itself, and Americans are no more intelligent than any other group of people."
--I think your figures are wrong. I think the number of people murdered in the 20th century by dictators is probably well over 100,000,000. In China, under Mao, perhaps 50,000,000 and maybe closer to 100,000,000 may have been murdered or starved. And again, that's just in China! 1940's Germany may have murdered over 18,000,000, if you include 6 million Jews of Germany and Europe, and 9 million others, plus other civilian casualties that were victims of German aggression. I would say the figures are certainly higher, but your point is still well taken.
Cliffsher - here in the Land of Friuts and Nuts, we have a law that says even private gun sales must go through a dealer to do paperwork and be registered. Now, does that stop anyone? Not sure. But our criminals do have guns here, particularly the gangs.
[Edited by: AC-302 at 1/1/2013 2:17:43 PM EST]
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owt
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2013 2:03:51 PM
Lets ban drugs also, oh we did....how is that working?????
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PappaVanTwee
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2013 11:47:23 AM
You know why we put locks on doors? To keep honest people honest. Kill the loophole and ban assault weapons the honest won't be tempted.
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KansasGunman
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2013 11:13:59 AM
You don't btc1 and unfortunately you never will...the good guys follow the rules, the bad guys don't and more guns are being sold by individuals on the streets than the dealerships combined...or worse, stolen.
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btc1
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2013 11:10:09 AM
Kansas, I do agree with you wholeheartedly. Closing that loophole at gun shows will stop some. But, how do you stop it all together. You do not.
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KansasGunman
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2013 11:06:13 AM
Backgrounds checks?
No problem.
Attend a gun show and walk out with all of the firepower you want.
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In part, true thanks to loop-holes in the Brady bill allowing individual citizens to buy and sell from other individuals without the requirements/constraints applied to legitimate FFL Dealers.
Being a licensed FFL dealer for the past 35 years I can assure you that any Licensed FFL Dealer keeps accurate and finite records of every firearm he sells, backed up by the ATF Form 4473 is he wishes to stay in business and not spend some heavy time in prison.
Any FFL Dealer at a gun show is going to follow the rules and goes through the background checks using the electronic form 4473 NICS (National Instant Criminal Screening) directly with the FBI if that dealer has acquired and paid the rather stiff NICS License Fee from the FBI and if their doing gun shows they have.
And yes, the FBI is the group performing the background check with their massive computer system as apposed to the Form being the property of the ATF...they simply use the FBI computer data resource to screen the applicant and then all history is transferred to the Form 4473 and maintained with the FFL Dealer and the ATF.
The problem lies in the loophole in the Fed Firearms Act under the Brady Bill allowing the sales of individuals to individuals without going through a FFL dealership so any individual can enter the gun sale, purchase a booth permit and set up camp selling his personal firearms to anyone he chooses or purchase from anyone wishing to sell and without doing any form of background check...
So to your point, yes an individual can go to a gun show with a criminal record and purchase a firearm from an unlicensed individual with a table set up and walk out with a firearm.
Don't blame the Gun Show or the legitimate FFL dealership at the show but rather the loopholes in the law allowing it which I as a Life Member of the NRA and a 35 year licensed dealer resent and would wholeheartedly seek to change.
[Edited by: KansasGunman at 1/1/2013 11:12:31 AM EST]
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2013 10:49:28 AM
That's correct; I support a gun ban for all except law enforcement and the military.
"Have a felony? Can't buy a gun. Want a fully automatic weapon?"
How about rocket launchers?
There Were Two Rocket Launchers Turned in at LA's Gun Buyback Program
[Edited by: MiddletownMarty at 1/1/2013 10:50:48 AM EST]
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Cliffisher
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2013 10:45:10 AM
"Good Ole Ronny Raygun! He's not even a Republican by today's standards. That's how extreme the GOP has become."
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Cliffisher
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2013 10:42:39 AM
Your felon brother in law wants a AR-15?
Backgrounds checks?
No problem.
Attend a gun show and walk out with all of the firepower you want.
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PappaVanTwee
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2013 10:40:57 AM
Hmmmm, by AmericanMade's logic, Reagan was a dictator as well. He armed the Contras and covered it up.
Who said this?
“This is a matter of vital importance to the public safety ... While we recognize that assault-weapon legislation will not stop all assault-weapon crime, statistics prove that we can dry up the supply of these guns, making them less accessible to criminals.”
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It was Ronald Reagan in 1994.
That and other quotes can be found here:
Identify the Gun-Control Quote: Obama, Feinstein, or Reagan?
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PappaVanTwee
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2013 10:35:24 AM
Welcome to the forums, RAB. You should link to the article you get your information from, however:
The True Face of Gun Control
The Mass Extermination of Humans in the 20th Century and even Today
I think a majority of people would oppose a gun ban, Marty being one of the exceptions. But we to have gun controls in place as we speak. Have a felony? Can't buy a gun. Want a fully automatic weapon? Can't buy it. We had an assault weapons ban, but it was lifted after 2004. All some are looking for at this moment is a return to that Clinton era ban.
Saying Obama wants to ban guns? Best advertising gimmick ever. Obama's not the salesman here, but the salesmen are using him to their advantage with a hefty lie that the suckers of the land are eating up.
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americanmade1
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2013 10:26:36 AM
I can't believe that the American people haven't woke up to this dictator yet... He supplies mexican cartels with HI POWERED weapons, uh FAST AND FURIOUS then he supplies Egyptians with Hi-powered weapons at Benghazi but WANTS to DIS-ARM AMERICANS... WAKE UP EVERYBODY...
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RAB2010
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2013 10:17:35 AM
Can't imagine that. But then, historically, there were some who did ban private ownership of firearms. It isn't a long list:
1911, Turkey, from 1915 - 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, deprived of the means to defend themselves, were rounded up and killed;
1929, Russia, from 1929 - 1953, approximately 20 million dissidents were arrested and executed;
1938, Germany, from 1939 - 1945 over 13 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, mentally ill, union leaders, Catholics and others were murdered by the State;
1935, China, from 1948 - 1952, over 20 million dissidents were rounded up and murdered by Communists;
1956, Cambodia, from 1975 - 1977, over one million "educated" people were executed by the State;
1964, Guatemala, from 1964 - 1981 over 100,000 Mayan Indians were murdered;
1970, Uganda, from 1970 - 1979 over 300,000 Christians were murdered;
Over 56 million people have died, unable to defend themselves because of gun control, in recent history. History repeats itself, and Americans are no more intelligent than any other group of people.
[Edited by: RAB2010 at 1/1/2013 10:19:11 AM EST]
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KansasGunman
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2013 8:51:36 AM
What a hoot...love the rumors as it's making a whole lot of gun dealers a dang lot of money.
Even in retirement and closing my gun shop I can't seem to break away as continuing demand from long term friends and customers keeps me ordering in and selling 20-30 firearms a month and a boatload of ammo.
The Most popular long guns I'm selling are the short tactical series AR-15 and AK-47 both in 5.56 NATO and 7.62 NATO calibers and 12 GA tactical extended tube shotguns in pump and semi-auto.
Most popular handguns orders are the 9mm, .40 cal and the .45 ACP in Browning High Power, FNH, Glock, Sig, S&W, Beretta, Ruger, Kimber and Colt.
So many thanks extended to President Obama.
[Edited by: KansasGunman at 1/1/2013 8:54:36 AM EST]
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RNorm
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2013 8:21:16 AM
"Just a scare tactic to sell more guns "
LOL! Unfortunately though, its working as gun sales are spiking...
Sadly, you can fool a lot of the people most of the time...and if you add "Obama's gonna" to whatever it is, watch the righties move in droves!
[Edited by: RNorm at 1/1/2013 8:23:22 AM EST]
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gocatgo
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2013 7:38:40 AM
The govt is coming to get your guns is the other infamous gun nut rumor too.
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WES03
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Message Posted: Jan 1, 2013 7:23:34 AM
If true..no surprise.
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worryfree
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Message Posted: Dec 31, 2012 11:43:29 PM
Just a scare tactic to sell more guns
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MiddletownMarty
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Message Posted: Dec 31, 2012 11:04:26 PM
Nah... he doesn't want to do that. I wouldn't mind doing it though.
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