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worryfree Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:23,879 Points:1,871,725 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 2:48:57 PM Ignore worryfree Report Abuse Try finding a high capacity mag for sale on line. Try and buy some .223 ammo. Try and buy an AR rifle. can't. Sold out. The crazies have emptied the store. How soon until the next high profile mass murder? We can't put armed guards everywhere people gather.

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Try finding a high capacity mag for sale on line. Try and buy some .223 ammo. Try and buy an AR rifle. can't. Sold out. The crazies have emptied the store. How soon until the next high profile mass murder? We can't put armed guards everywhere people gather.

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streetrider Champion Author Gary Posts:9,506 Points:141,120 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Jan 3, 2013 1:08:31 AM Ignore streetrider Report Abuse too late.
michaelphoenix2 All-Star Author Tucson Posts:710 Points:9,720 Joined:Nov 2012	Message Posted: Dec 29, 2012 4:16:17 PM Ignore michaelphoenix2 Report Abuse ministorage just to reiterate a post i made earlier about consiracy theorists "Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 2:01:00 PM Ignore michaelphoenix2 Report Abuse When he is talking about crazies he isnt talking about the mass murderers or psycopaths. He is talking about the conspiracy theorists, doomsday preppers, and general kooks that believe that Obama will be declaring marial law across the US at any moment and declare himself permanant president of the US. THOSE are the crazies he is talking about."
jdhelm Champion Author Iowa Posts:11,893 Points:1,201,815 Joined:Dec 2009	Message Posted: Dec 29, 2012 11:59:36 AM Ignore jdhelm Report Abuse Dekalb Georgia homeowner with gun for self defense has it right A homeowner in Dekalb (just outside of Atlanta), GA was forced to used deadly force to defend his home, wife and 2 small children when 2 armed home invaders burst into their second story apartment. Fortunately, the homeowner acted fast. One of the suspects jumped off of a second story balcony to escape the homeowner’s gun fire. He hit a tree on the way down and was pronounced dead at the scene. The second suspect was found a couple of miles away, sitting in a car, suffering from a gunshot wound. He is being treated at an area hospital. Guns save lives
flyboyUT Champion Author Utah Posts:22,893 Points:1,013,685 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Dec 29, 2012 11:12:43 AM Ignore flyboyUT Report Abuse Hey AC - ever use a Belding and Mull powder measure for reloading rifle rounds?
AC-302 Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:26,606 Points:2,905,020 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Dec 29, 2012 11:04:33 AM Ignore AC-302 Report Abuse Time to break the press out and start re-loading my own. I wonder if you can find frangibles to reload on the open market? I have a whole bunch of .38 spl brass to reload, but no .38. I dare not use it in my .357 Max.
mudtoe Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:9,533 Points:1,292,265 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Dec 28, 2012 3:10:32 PM Ignore mudtoe Report Abuse mj: "Rifles, ammo and magazines have been flying off the shelves for a long time." I noticed last week at my local Walmart that they were almost out of all kinds of ammunition. I bought the last box of 9mm hollow points they had. mudtoe
MiddletownMarty Champion Author Connecticut Posts:17,582 Points:269,605 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Dec 28, 2012 2:48:32 PM Ignore MiddletownMarty Report Abuse Loan Star Jewelry & Pawn has it right After the massacre in Newtown, Connecticut, a pawn shop owner in Seminole F-L-A has decided to get out of the gun-reselling business. Frank James, owner of Loanstar Jewelry and Pawn, said that as he watched the news of the Newtown shootings, “I basically broke into tears and looked up on the wall, seeing the types of firearms I am selling,” and decided that he could no longer continue to sell the kinds of weapons that were used to kill first-graders. His youngest child is six years old. “I dropped my daughter off at school this morning. That was enough for me,” James said. “Conscience wins over making money.” James, a former Connecticut resident himself, noted that the unknowable consequences of selling deadly weapons had weighed upon him: “I probably would have sold a firearm to that woman thinking she’s buying it for her own defense, and then something like that happens….That’s something I couldn’t live with.” He also acknowledged that the decision could prove costly, since roughly half of his shop’s income derived from gun sales. James said after talking with his 6-year-old daughter, he couldn’t put the AR-15 back on display. “I’m not trying to send a message. I’m not trying to change laws. I believe in the Second Amendment,” he said. “I just don’t want to be part of a business where the ingredients . . . can cause such destruction.” Experts at conservative think tanks were perplexed by James’ decision, noting that it appeared to put the hypothetical damage that might be done by a firearm ahead of the potential for profit and the extremely slim chance that the firearm might be used to head off a tyrannical power grab by the federal government. After all, allowing cheap sentimentality to inform our politics — such as imagining that our six-year-old daughter could have been one of those kids in Connecticut — might make it difficult to tout the impeccable logic of carrying guns everywhere. A discussion board at the Florida Shooters Network astutely condemned James’ move as a “publicity stunt to garner sales on the backs of dead kids” and opined that his business must have already been failing, obviously. Participants in a discussion at “AR15.com” concluded that James must have already lost his federal firearms license and is simply putting forward this story as an excuse; another analyst predicted that James will hold on to the weapons and sell them at a premium once they are banned. Both forums were careful to note that the owner of a pawnshop is in no position to make moral judgments at all, as he doubtless traffics in stolen merchandise from meth tweekers and “takes advantage of the poor.” No comment was available from any of the 242 Americans shot and killed in the two weeks since December 14. http://wonkette.com/494735/florida-pawn-shop-owner-will-sell-no-more-guns-forever#VtpeTjJ7TVg5rgJs.99
MarkJames Champion Author Albany Posts:1,341 Points:24,480 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Dec 28, 2012 12:50:07 PM Ignore MarkJames Report Abuse I have plenty of ammo and magazines for my semi-automatic rifles, but I can still find magazines and ammo locally, especially in the higher calibers. Rifles, ammo and magazines have been flying off the shelves for a long time. I stocked up on rifles, magazines, ammo and reloading supplies due to inflation, shortages etc. Much of what I've purchased has skyrocketed in value. The last time I was at a gun shop there were so many customers that there weren't any parking spaces. Customers were double parked and parking on the main road.
Snowchoux Champion Author Missouri Posts:1,003 Points:145,635 Joined:Sep 2012	Message Posted: Dec 28, 2012 12:25:13 PM Ignore Snowchoux Report Abuse If guns are bad, why did Obomouth get so much ammunition for social security agents?
Cliffisher Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:26,046 Points:3,139,575 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Dec 28, 2012 10:50:08 AM Ignore Cliffisher Report Abuse For every gun or package of ammunition sold at participating stores, a dollar is donated to the NRA. The NRA’s corporate fundraising division has several special retail partnerships called “Add-A-Buck,” “NRA Round-Up,” and “Shooting for the Future.” In some cases, these deals allow for customers to contribute a dollar or two to the NRA at the point of purchase; others, like one with Sturm, Ruger & Co., the company led by Mike Fifer, require automatic contributions to the NRA with every purchase. Many of these retail deals are linked to the NRA’s 501(c)4 affiliate, which can, unlike other affiliates of the NRA, spend that money on political advertisements and lobbying.
AC-302 Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:26,606 Points:2,905,020 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 11:33:55 PM Ignore AC-302 Report Abuse Flyboy - the Latin will be lost on most of the fools who will read it. However, I believe it was Cicero who said the first one you posted. I think Marty's is a misspelled Bible verse. SemiSteve chided: "We can fix it. Australia did." --Yeah, they sure "fixed" it alright.. The disarmed the law abiding population and now thugs break down doors in broad daylight to steal from families that are at home, often beating them in the process. But you have another problem with Australia - they don't have a constitutional right as we do. And as well, they had gun registrations over the years for exactly this purpose. Though they might try, the US will never be able to go the way of Australia, as there are plenty of "clean" guns that won't be on the lists, even if the BATF opened it's lists up to local LEOs for confiscations. Especially older guns, anyone could say: Nope, sorry.. sold it years ago to a private individual. Nope, sorry, can't recall his name, didn't get his ID and it wasn't the law for me to do so back then. But the more the rabid anti-gun maniacs out there keep screaming: "Ban all guns! Confiscate everyone's gun NOW! NOW!", the more runs you have on guns. It's you guys who scare reasonable Americans into thinking that this will be their last opportunity to own a firearm, if they ever wanted to in their lives. [Edited by: AC-302 at 12/27/2012 11:36:35 PM EST]
ministorage Champion Author Louisville Posts:9,220 Points:818,995 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 8:20:15 PM Ignore ministorage Report Abuse streetrider: "There are most likely enough assult rifles to last this country 200+ years." street, the only way that applies--you must be referring to our military. Our supplies wouldn't last very long if things went haywire and martial law were declared. Anyone who thinks that kind of talk is conspiracy theory has not read the provisions of the Patriot Act, nor the Defense Authorization Act, nor President Obama's National Defense Resources Preparedness Executive Order of March 16. Things are set in place perfectly for tyranny. It is law. IMHO [Edited by: ministorage at 12/27/2012 8:22:11 PM EST]
101Speedster Champion Author Ventura Posts:30,450 Points:2,719,595 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 8:18:58 PM Ignore 101Speedster Report Abuse I think you meant descent, Marty, not discent.
flyboyUT Champion Author Utah Posts:22,893 Points:1,013,685 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 8:14:49 PM Ignore flyboyUT Report Abuse not bad Marty ---
ministorage Champion Author Louisville Posts:9,220 Points:818,995 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 8:13:50 PM Ignore ministorage Report Abuse "Gun buyers are crazy, Steve?" Of course. Just ask worryfree. But he's full-up with guns. He now just checks inventories as a hobby.
streetrider Champion Author Gary Posts:9,506 Points:141,120 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 8:04:10 PM Ignore streetrider Report Abuse There are most likely enough assult rifles to last this country 200+ years.
MiddletownMarty Champion Author Connecticut Posts:17,582 Points:269,605 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 7:22:46 PM Ignore MiddletownMarty Report Abuse neque erunt discent ultra belligerare
jdhelm Champion Author Iowa Posts:11,893 Points:1,201,815 Joined:Dec 2009	Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 7:19:24 PM Ignore jdhelm Report Abuse there were a few ar15s at the gun show in Denver over Christmas - over 700 tables there and many dealers sold out - there is another gun show in Denver this coming weekend, again with over 700 tables/dealers, there might be a few ar15s and some 223 ammo, but it won't be much and obviously will not last long. If you're in the area, be sure to go. I talked with my brother-in-law and 2 dealers and all 3 said most dealers will sell out of inventory. most of the buying is because of the negative press by the MSM and bho - again - these people are having the opposite effect of what they claim to want.
101Speedster Champion Author Ventura Posts:30,450 Points:2,719,595 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 7:07:10 PM Ignore 101Speedster Report Abuse >>If crazies have emptied the store<< Gun buyers are crazy, Steve?
Cliffisher Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:26,046 Points:3,139,575 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 6:41:06 PM Ignore Cliffisher Report Abuse .223 ammo and firearms are sold out everywhere. I talked to a guy at the Madison Gander. They sold out in two days, even after putting a two box max on ammo. One to three month wait for a new AR-15. Watch the gun shows for a used one at a 50% premium over new price. The French guy at the NRA will be getting a big bonus this year.
flyboyUT Champion Author Utah Posts:22,893 Points:1,013,685 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 6:23:06 PM Ignore flyboyUT Report Abuse Hey worry - what do you think the price of private sale guns has done recently?
worryfree Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:23,879 Points:1,871,725 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 5:51:55 PM Ignore worryfree Report Abuse I'm not trying to buy any Steve just perusing web sites and commenting...
flyboyUT Champion Author Utah Posts:22,893 Points:1,013,685 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 5:44:43 PM Ignore flyboyUT Report Abuse Hey lets start with this one That first one didnt go back far enough - for the sake of all of us lets get this rapid firing assault weapon off the streets. Sooooomebody doooooo something. The premise to ban assault rifles (whatever you mean by that - as every single rifle is derived from or is an actual assault rifle or is a copy of one) is ludicrous. Just as the idea to ban high capacity magazines. Hey Worry - you go tell this guy to give up his high capacity arrow magazine - see what reaction you get....
noseatbelt Champion Author Indiana Posts:7,647 Points:205,610 Joined:Feb 2004	Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 5:34:01 PM Ignore noseatbelt Report Abuse The thing, that few gun control nuts will never admit to, is the fact that every gun, from a bb gun up could be banned, and it still wouldn't stop someone wanting to do harm with one from getting one.
SemiSteve Champion Author Tampa Posts:14,458 Points:253,830 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 5:28:49 PM Ignore SemiSteve Report Abuse If crazies have emptied the store and you are trying to buy the same thing how do you differentiate yourself from them?
flyboyUT Champion Author Utah Posts:22,893 Points:1,013,685 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 5:24:14 PM Ignore flyboyUT Report Abuse Sic vis pacem - para bellum Pacem si vultis libere negotiantur - non est tibi There is just a tad of truth in these old tired sayings.
MiddletownMarty Champion Author Connecticut Posts:17,582 Points:269,605 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 5:11:35 PM Ignore MiddletownMarty Report Abuse A Bushmaster and ammo to celebrate the birth of the Prince of Peace. Astounding.
johnnyg1200 Champion Author St. Louis Posts:4,202 Points:647,970 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 4:43:21 PM Ignore johnnyg1200 Report Abuse Wall-mart here still had 2 AR15s in the gun case as of yesterday, both bushmasters I believe and plenty of other guns. But the ammo case was almost empty, could have just been because Christmas. I don’t know how true it is but I have heard that Wal-Mart plans to stop selling all guns and ammunition. That may be why you couldn’t find any ammunition at your store. I used to get a box of ammo at least every other trip to Wally World. The current rush to pass more laws is exactly why. If true I don’t really have any reason to go back to Wally World.
worryfree Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:23,879 Points:1,871,725 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 4:33:46 PM Ignore worryfree Report Abuse Taxes and Obamacare were not fringe issues. They lost. They are yesterdays news.
ministorage Champion Author Louisville Posts:9,220 Points:818,995 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 4:32:55 PM Ignore ministorage Report Abuse "BTW the Tea Party is yesterdays news and is now relegated to championing fringe issues." worry, you have always thought they were relegated to championing fringe issues.
worryfree Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:23,879 Points:1,871,725 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 4:28:54 PM Ignore worryfree Report Abuse Nailed that one michael... BTW the Tea Party is yesterdays news and is now relegated to championing fringe issues. Up until a couple of months ago I had no problem finding 30 round magazines or .223 ammo on line... [Edited by: worryfree at 12/27/2012 4:31:28 PM EST]
ministorage Champion Author Louisville Posts:9,220 Points:818,995 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 4:10:50 PM Ignore ministorage Report Abuse >>"When he is talking about crazies he isnt talking about the mass murderers or psycopaths. He is talking about the conspiracy theorists, doomsday preppers, and general kooks that believe that Obama will be declaring marial law across the US at any moment and declare himself permanant president of the US."<< Yeah, I know what he meant. He also thinks the Tea Parties are a bunch of crazies too. I was a Democrat when I went to my first tea party. It was filled with respectful, polite folks. There was no riot, no sit-ins, no deficating in the streets and peeing in bottles, they had a permit to gather and they cleaned up afterward (pretty much just the opposite of some of the "crazies" we saw in the Occupy movement). [Edited by: ministorage at 12/27/2012 4:14:55 PM EST]
michaelphoenix2 All-Star Author Tucson Posts:710 Points:9,720 Joined:Nov 2012	Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 4:01:00 PM Ignore michaelphoenix2 Report Abuse When he is talking about crazies he isnt talking about the mass murderers or psycopaths. He is talking about the conspiracy theorists, doomsday preppers, and general kooks that believe that Obama will be declaring marial law across the US at any moment and declare himself permanant president of the US. THOSE are the crazies he is talking about.
oilpan4 Champion Author Virginia Posts:12,062 Points:306,900 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 4:00:09 PM Ignore oilpan4 Report Abuse Wall-mart here still had 2 AR15s in the gun case as of yesterday, both bushmasters I believe and plenty of other guns. But the ammo case was almost empty, could have just been because christmas. "We can fix it. Australia did". One thing you wont see is how much better the gun ban and confiscation made Australia, they screwed up.
ministorage Champion Author Louisville Posts:9,220 Points:818,995 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 3:49:58 PM Ignore ministorage Report Abuse "Try finding a high capacity mag for sale on line." OK. "Try and buy some .223 ammo." OK. Try and buy an AR rifle. OK. "can't. Sold out." Awwww shucks. "The crazies have emptied the store." Lord knows it couldn't be law-abiding citizens who bought them, huh? (Yeah, it was "the crazies," outlaws--delusional madmen with visions of murder dancing in their heads who bought 'em!) "How soon until the next high profile mass murder?" I dunno, but I'd guess that will happen just as soon as the next delusional "crazy" who has passed numerous three-day, court-ordered mental inquests (and who was put right back out on the streets each and every time) decides it is finally time to snap. "We can't put armed guards everywhere people gather." If history is our guide, it can happen. But, yeah, that would be tough... ...almost as tough as the fact that budgets, the closing of mental hospitals, and a population of doctors who today are more reluctant to make the fateful diagnosis that would commit delusional individuals--which continues to keep "the crazies" on the streets all over this land. [Edited by: ministorage at 12/27/2012 3:54:10 PM EST]
NickHammer Champion Author Maryland Posts:16,198 Points:2,583,885 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 3:32:51 PM Ignore NickHammer Report Abuse >>The crazies have emptied the store.<< Well, there wasn't much left after Obama won re-election. Heck, I think there's been a shortage ever since Obama won in 2008. They just can't make 'em fast enough to keep up with the crazies.
SemiSteve Champion Author Tampa Posts:14,458 Points:253,830 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Dec 27, 2012 2:59:10 PM Ignore SemiSteve Report Abuse We can fix it. Australia did.